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VACList DigestVACList-Digest       Monday, October 28, 2002      Issue 469
  
Today's Topics:
  
        1. Re: Electrical on "68" Ambassador
        2. Re: new participant and axles
        3. Re: new participant and axles
        4. Re: Silver Streak information
        5. new participant and axles
        6. Personal Storm Tracker
        7. Re: new participant and axles
        8. Re: Silver Streak information
        9. Re: Personal Storm Tracker
       10. Re: cold weather
       11. Re: new participant and axles
       12. Re: new participant and axles
       13. Re: new participant and axles
       14. Re: Re-aligning/bending door?
       15. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       16. Re: new participant and axles
       17. Re: new participant and axles
       18. Re: new participant and axles
       19. Re: new participant and axles
       20. Re: new participant and axles
       21. Replacement non-Henchen axles
       22. winterizing
       23. Re: new participant and axles
       24. Re: new participant and axles
       25. Re: winterizing
       26. Re: winterizing
       27. Re: new participant and axles
       28. Re: 1st Annual Real Wally Rally?
       29. Re: new participant and axles
       30. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       31. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       32. Re: 1st Annual Real Wally Rally?
       33. Re: Washboard roads
       34. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       35. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       36. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       37. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       38. Re: new participant and axles
       39. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       40. Re: Washboard roads
       41. loosening rusted parts
       42. Re: cold weather
       43. Re: Rectangle vents and window operators
       44. Appropriate response?!
       45. one day at a time




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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:05:52 -0500
From: Jim Dunmyer <jdunmyer@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical on "68" Ambassador

Duane,
  We had a '68 G.T. that probably had a similar electrical system to yours.

Replace the converter with an Inteli-Power with Charge Wizard. Those old 
outfits aren't up to today's standards, don't charge the battery well, 
yet overcharge it if left plugged in to shore power.

Aren't all those lights labeled? There's one for the pump, and I forget 
what the others are. I believe that one had to do with the low-voltage 
disconnect circuit that had been bypassed in my trailer.

                           <<Jim>>


Duane Leisle wrote:

> Anyone with suggestions for my electrical on a "68"
> 28' Ambassador Airstream?  I have the 110v plugged in
> and have 110v power to the inside of the trailer, but
> no 12v power.  Could the inverter be bad and if so (it
> is the original) where and what should I replace it
> with??  I have the original control panel that shows a
> green light when plugged into 110v.  Does anyone have
> diagrams on what all the other red, yellow, green
> light indicators are for?
> 
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:33:23 -0500
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Hi Warren Little,

I'm also playing with questionable axles on my '74 Argosy.

Contact me off list if you like and we can discuss this common interest.

                                   joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net

                                           Regards, Joy



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Message Number: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:43:22 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

on 10/27/02 5:21 PM, wlittle@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:

> Despite Andy's advice I now feel I can live with the axles and they will
> not bottom out. I plan however to purchase new shocks and to maintain
> the lowest tire air pressure that will not generate excessive heat.

Hey Warren,

How much does your trailer weigh? And - what tire pressure are you planning
on using to support that weight?

Why do I ask? Your '76 31' is probably somewhat similar in weight to my '77
31' which has been weighed on a "certified scale." I have the "Certified
Weight" slip in hand and it lists our '77 31' at 8795 pounds.

With that weight and after reading your comment about the "lowest tire air
pressure," I wouldn't want to see you inviting high tire temperatures.  For
example, at 35 PSI, my tires would be significantly overloaded and
vulnerable to blow outs caused by excessive flexing and heat buildup.

According to "A Weigh We Go," my tires should be pressurized to 65 pounds.
That would bring their carrying capacity in line with the weight of my
Airstream. 

Since being weighed nearly ten years ago, I've followed that recommendation.
We average about 10,000 or more miles a year on our trailer. Each five years
when I trade in my old tires for new ones, my tire guy (long time family
friend) tells me the old ones have worn evenly and I really don't need new
ones yet. His observation tells me my PSI per tire is probably on the mark.

Can any of this data be integrated with your situation?  Maybe yes, maybe
no. Only you can tell us. I'd be interested in reading your perspective. You
have the engineering background to assess such data with considerable
insight.

New topic: A few years back, we attended the Hobo Rally in Blythe after
being on the Colorado River caravan and visiting Death Valley in March. This
Winter will see us exploring different areas of the southeast.  The North
American continent has a continuing fascination for us.

Tomorrow, we roll south and away from snow showers in the Northeast.  Last
week to the north of us, 1-3 inches of snow were recorded.  Suddenly, we're
scrambling to get out of here.

Of course, you know what will occur. As soon as we leave, Indian Summer will
arrive full force and our neighbors will tell us we left just before the
really good weather arrived.  <grin>

Thanks for writing and sharing your introduction. I hope you continue to
chime in when the urge occurs.

Terry
WBCCI 6477



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Message Number: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:45:27 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Silver Streak information

on 10/27/02 11:51 AM, archneo@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:

> Hello fellow aluminum enthusiasts!
> 
> Now that we have completed and have been enjoying our '57 Bubble, we were
> bitten once again by the aluminum bug.  We just purchased a 1949 Silver
> Streak Clipper, in near-mint condition.  We have begun the restoration of
> the clipper (no time like the present!), and are running into the problem of
> lack of information.

Hi Ken & Molly,

Why don't you check out Tom Patterson's website? He has 40,000+ pages of
information. Most of it is about Airstreams, but much relating to Silver
Streaks is there. Tom has a Streamline and archives Silver Streak data.

Do you know how to access Tom's data? Go to >>
http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
and scroll down to the bottom of the page. You'll find it there.

Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net





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Message Number: 5
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:09:55 -0800
From: Warren Little <wlittle@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: new participant and axles

In my conversation with Andy a few weeks ago I was told that my axle had
a travel of 36 deg. and a hang angle of 22 1/2 deg. I therefore
calculated the maximum up ange to be 13.5 deg. With these numbers,
operating the trailer with a operating load angle of plus 5 deg. seems
reasonable to me as explained in my first submission to the list.

Knowing the maximum up angle is the key to making a good decision.
Loading the axle so that it bottoms out in order to measure the maximum
up angle does not seem feasible to do with the axle in place. I guess
the axle could be removed and tested with an hydraulic press. Hopefully
Andy and Henschen will be able to carefully check the original specs.

Andy mentioned that when the trailer hits a bump the weight of the
trailer momentarily increases. That is not correct. The mass of the
trailer together with the parameters of the springs, tires and shocks
form a dynamic system that has a response that is well understood. The
shocks play a significant role in determining the dynamic response
including the maximum displacement of the wheel.

I did not say that I intended to operate my trailer with low air
pressure in the tires but I did say that I intend to operate it at the
lowest tire pressure that will not cause excessive heat build up in the
tires. Some tire experts state that this is how tires should be
inflated. I have an infrared point and click temperature sensor that
will be good for measuring the tire temperature.

Warren Little #9302
76 Sovereign


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Message Number: 6
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:38:32 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Personal Storm Tracker

Hi Fellow Travelers,

I signed up for this free service (http://www.wten.com) thinking it MIGHT be
useful while we're traveling this winter.  The fact of receiving both an AM
and a PM email every day means we can have the most current weather
forecast. And, it can be had with a "flash session" on our laptop while
making our way south.

Then, it got even better when I read the fine print.

Included in the service is the option of a weather forecast for three
additional locations - which can be changed at any time to new locations.
Did that say what I thought it said? Lights went on. A big grin came across
my face. Aaa  Haa!!!

With a little forethought and the speed of our modem, we are now receiving
the weather forecast for three specific cities along our route south.  At
the first Flying J Restaurant, I'll change the locations to include the next
two days along our path south.

Will this be a useful service? Time will tell. There's snow and freezing
rain in them thar hills. That's what we want to avoid. It looks like we
may have waited too long this year before heading south.

Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net





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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:11:11 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

I have a box trailer my dad built for my about 1970 that has no
suspension other than the tires. The axle is connected rigidly to the
frame. Tires do all of the suspension work and I must adjust tire
pressure for the load. Low for running empty, aired up a great deal for
heavy loads. The tires my dad put on it are still the tires on it. I set
the air pressure to allow a little sidewall flex and all seems fine. And
it trails quite nicely and with the right pressure the load gets a
decent ride. Too much air pressure makes it fly from bump to bump, too
little makes it pull hard and the makes the tires look flat.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:06:09 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Silver Streak information

My SS has a Marvel fridge  ~ Rik

Ken and Molly Reed wrote:

>Hello fellow aluminum enthusiasts!
>
>Now that we have completed and have been enjoying our '57 Bubble, we were
>bitten once again by the aluminum bug.  We just purchased a 1949 Silver
>Streak Clipper, in near-mint condition.  We have begun the restoration of
>the clipper (no time like the present!), and are running into the problem of
>lack of information.  We realize that a discussion of Silver Streaks may not
>apply to the vintage Airstream discussion list, but we know also that
>several of you vintage Airstream owners also own Silver Streaks.  Hence,
>replies should probably be sent offlist.  Anyway, our Clipper has a central
>bath (no toilet, just space for a porta-potty, and an adorable little
>aircraft-type sink and counter).  We are wondering, does anyone else have
>such an arrangement in their Silver Streak?  As we restore, we are trying to
>restore as close to original as possible, while taking into consideration
>the requirements of our intended use.  We also have the front kitchen, with
>higher windows.  Did any of the Silver Streaks come with an electric
>refrigerator, and if so, what brand?  One more question, there is evidence
>in our trailer of the presence of aluminum blinds on the side windows as
>well as curtains.  Does anyone know if these trailers originally had both on
>the sides, or just blinds?  (It's obvious the front and rear curved windows
>had only curtains.)
>
>Any replies and/or photos would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Ken & Molly Reed
>'57 Bubble; '57 Suburban
>'49 Silver Streak Clipper, under restoration!
>
>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:58:34 -0500
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Personal Storm Tracker

This service is available from a lot of different TV stations.

The local Cincinnati station that has "Storm tracker Radar" offers it as well.

Dave


At 10:38 PM 10/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Fellow Travelers,
>
>I signed up for this free service (http://www.wten.com) thinking it MIGHT be
>useful while we're traveling this winter.  The fact of receiving both an AM
>and a PM email every day means we can have the most current weather
>forecast. And, it can be had with a "flash session" on our laptop while
>making our way south.
>
>Then, it got even better when I read the fine print.
>
>Included in the service is the option of a weather forecast for three
>additional locations - which can be changed at any time to new locations.
>Did that say what I thought it said? Lights went on. A big grin came across
>my face. Aaa  Haa!!!
>
>With a little forethought and the speed of our modem, we are now receiving
>the weather forecast for three specific cities along our route south.  At
>the first Flying J Restaurant, I'll change the locations to include the next
>two days along our path south.
>

_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com

WBCCI: 5074

1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio




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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:47:50 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: cold weather



> Tomorrow, we roll south and away from snow showers in the Northeast.  Last
> week to the north of us, 1-3 inches of snow were recorded.  Suddenly,
we're
> scrambling to get out of here.
> Of course, you know what will occur. As soon as we leave, Indian Summer
will
> arrive full force and our neighbors will tell us we left just before the
> really good weather arrived.  <grin>
> Terry
> WBCCI 6477

 Terry,
Hate to say it but I hope your neighbors are right. It's getting a bit
chilly up here in the North Country these days.
Colin
Plattsburgh, NY





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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:15:04 -0500
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Joy, why off list? I think some of us are as interested in this as we are
about accessing the internet during our travels.

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 20:33
Subject: [VAC] Re: new participant and axles


> Hi Warren Little,
>
> I'm also playing with questionable axles on my '74 Argosy.
>
> Contact me off list if you like and we can discuss this common interest.
>
>                                    joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
>                                            Regards, Joy
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>



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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:36:25 -0500
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Hello, Warren ...

Glad to see your post on the list and continuing a thread of interest to me.
I'd be interested in knowing how you doubled the weight on your axle to get
the deflection measurements for different weights. Can you comment further?

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Little" <wlittle@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 17:21
Subject: [VAC] new participant and axles


> I've been reading the list for a long time but this is my first input to
> it. I have a 31 ft. 1976 Sovereign that I pull with a 1992 F250. My wife
> died at last years Hobo rally but I an keen to continue Airstreaming. I
> live in Victoria B.C. Canada and I am about to retire from a 35 year
> career as an engineering professor. So much for an introduction!
>
> Since the recent List articles on axles I have been concerned about my
> axles. I have had several interesting discussions with Andy at InlandRV
> which have been informative.
>
> Yesterday I made some measurements on one axle and found that its
> torsion arm position was 0 deg. under no load, 5 deg. under normal load
> and 9.25 deg. under twice normal load. These measurements tell me that
> the spring constant is about 300 lbs./deg. Andy tells me that the
> maximum torsion arm angle is 13.5 deg. I was surprised to learn that the
> arm only rotated 4.25 deg. when I doubled the weight on the axle.
>
> Despite Andy's advice I now feel I can live with the axles and they will
> not bottom out. I plan however to purchase new shocks and to maintain
> the lowest tire air pressure that will not generate excessive heat.
>
> Any comments would be welcome.
>
> Warren Little, #9302
> 1976 Sovereign
> 1992 F250
>
>
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:48:17 -0500
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Are Airstream shock absorbers the double action type, i.e., damping both
initial wheel displacement as well as damping rebound from the twisting
moment of the axle returning the wheel to it's original position?
If so, it would seem to me shocks would play a big part in the process and
affect the amount of initial wheel deflection. With no shock or with worn
shocks wouldn't wheel deflection be greater?

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Little" <wlittle@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 22:09
Subject: [VAC] new participant and axles

>>>>snip good stuff <<<<


> Andy mentioned that when the trailer hits a bump the weight of the
> trailer momentarily increases. That is not correct. The mass of the
> trailer together with the parameters of the springs, tires and shocks
> form a dynamic system that has a response that is well understood. The
> shocks play a significant role in determining the dynamic response
> including the maximum displacement of the wheel.
>




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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:09:31 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Re-aligning/bending door?

Jason,

The doors can be bent back into shape. I believe that Charlie at 
American Way RV has described how to do it in the past. Charlie are you 
still out there?

Scott

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Okydokey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
  Subject: [VAC] Re-aligning/bending door?
  snip


  Can you bend or spring the door to the proper contour?


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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:13:37 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


Jason,

The vent covers are available through Inland RV (airstreamparts.com) as 
well as the operators. While I personally do not like the operators that 
they sell, they are much better than not being able to open the vent!

Scott
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Okydokey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
  To: Multiple recipients of VACList
  Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 10:55 PM
  Subject: [VAC] Rectangle vents and window operators


  Are the vent assemblies to fit in the rectangular (14 x 24 )? vent 
openings available.  Are the window cranks and operators available for a 
'64 with jalousie windows?

  Thanks,

  Jason 


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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:40:46 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Why off list? Too much verbal abuse from the axle seller.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:41:05 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

I think all modern shocks are double acting. Based on the match of the
spring-mass-damper system, the shocks do ALL the work resisting a change
of position. That is complicated by the flexing and damping of the tire.
I have an old 1 ton flat bed that was not equipped with shocks on the
rear for the first 22 years of its life. On the typical washboard gravel
road around here (the road draggers run by the county leave it with
washboard after each dragging), the heavy dually axle was in the air
more than on the ground. With shocks that rear axle still gets off the
ground but its on the ground more often than not. And that's what the
math would show for little or no damping.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:48:27 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Warren.

Trailer tires tend to be used at maximum weight, therefore maximum tire
pressure is usually called for, leaving little room to adjust pressure
without placing the tires in peril.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Little" <wlittle@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] new participant and axles
snip----

> I did not say that I intended to operate my trailer with low air
> pressure in the tires but I did say that I intend to operate it at the
> lowest tire pressure that will not cause excessive heat build up in the
> tires. Some tire experts state that this is how tires should be
> inflated. I have an infrared point and click temperature sensor that
> will be good for measuring the tire temperature.
>
> Warren Little #9302
> 76 Sovereign




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Message Number: 19
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:02:36 EST
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: new participant and axles



Joy Hansen.

Why off list?

There are many people interested in axle replacements.

We are also interested in another source other than Henschen.

However, in our discussions with the national sales managers of Dexter, 
Southwest Wheel and Hayes Axle, none of them are interested, to any degree, 
unless there is a minimum one time prepaid order of 200 axles that are 
identical in size, shape and rating. They also stated that they would not 
ship axles with loose brackets, for the customer to weld in place, as that 
would burn the rubber rods, making the new axle useless.

Many Airstream/Argosy owners that are in a process of restoring or upgrading 
don't have an answer of what can be done with the suspension system.

We got involved with the axle program, so that the typical Airstream or 
Argosy trailer owner would be assured that they received replacements that 
were equal to the original, and/or replacements that increase the load 
carrying capacity and/or ground clearance, and ball height, without 
jeopardizing the Airstream/Argosy design criteria.

That was not a task that Airstream or Henschen wanted to be involved with. It 
just made good sense for us to do it, since we have an on going program of 
being a source for many parts for the older trailers, such as ceiling vent 
covers, stove exhaust vent covers, window clips, bar arms, vent operators, 
window operators, Air conditioning shrouds, windows, moldings, holding tanks, 
water tanks, cabinet and rooflocker catches, single hinged door hinge pins, 
disc brake parts, and many other parts for the older trailers, all at 
reasonable prices. 

There are many owners that do not have the time to seek out the absolute 
cheapest price, or alternate sources. They just simply want an easy solution 
to their needs. We have fulfilled that need, and will continue to do so.

Please keep this site informed of your approach and or answers pertaining to 
the axle situation. We are just as interested as they are.

Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com


 



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Message Number: 20
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:06:13 EST
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: new participant and axles


Gerald. That was not a reflection of your usual self, and, not very kind. 
I thought you were also a participant in the American form of capitalism, by 
fulfilling a need. 

Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com



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Message Number: 21
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:57:17 -0500
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Replacement non-Henchen axles



> Joy, why off list? I think some of us are as interested in this as we are
> about accessing the internet during our travels.

Hi Jim,

I suffer a lot from my foot in my mouth.  Sometimes it's best .  .  . I will
say that I've worked with a torsion axle manufacturer and found a near
replacement for the Henchen axles on my Argosy - ca $320 per axle (hub to
hub with new electric brakes).  Very minor modification of the existing
mounting brackets on my Argosy.

                                         Regards,  The droopy axle '74
Argosy 22
                                                                     Joy




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Message Number: 22
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:01:40 -0800
From: Gary HEEBNER <nodoubtinmymind@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: winterizing

Hi to all:

I've recently purchased a '77 31' center bath and now  I need to winterize.
The previous owner blew out the lines, but suggested that I pump in rv
antifreeze to displace water in the low spots.  The service manual shows a
'typical' diagram for the water lines, but not actual locations for various
things.
Questions:  1.  I found the drain valve at the back bedroom inside the night
table, and the one below the sink/stove cabinet at floor level, but where is
the third one hiding?

                   2.  Where is the bypass valving for the hot water tank,
so that I don't fill the entire tank with antifreeze (the back of the h.w.
tank area has a bolted-on plastic cover that is only an inch or so to the
toilet and part of the sink cabinet structure, so it doesn't look like an
easy access item)?

                    3.  The forward roof vent jack mechanism seems to be
shot and won't allow the vent to come down properly.  I'll secure it from
the outside for winter.  When I change-over in the spring to a Fantastic Fan
or MaxxAir, does the aluminum housing for the original vent have to be
removed in order to replace (ie: removing the caulking and drilling-out the
rivets)?  I searched the archives, but didn't notice a change-over detail
thread.

                    4.  While searching for the drain valves under the sink
area, I pulled up the carpet and discovered mouse tracks (yuck!!).  The
trailer had been stored at a farm in Alberta, so I guess it's to be
expected.  The belly skin joints all seem to be tight--where else can the
little Hanta-virus critters crawl in?

Your advice is appreciated!

Gary Heebner
'77 31'
Prince George, British Columbia



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Message Number: 23
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:00:02 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Andy, I AM a participant in the American form of capitalism, but I look
at all alternatives, I don't reject them all out of hand and without
knowledge of them. I dislike being told there is ONLY ONE solution and
that one solution is most expensive.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 24
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:13:23 EST
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: new participant and axles


Gerald.

I didn't tell you that we were the only source for that type axle. You 
assumed that all by yourself, without any help from me. 

I did say we distributed for Henschen, from 1980 and older.

I don't like being told that any and all answers are gospel, just because 
they come from an engineer, especially when it's not their field.

There are many others in this world that are intelligent, that don't need a 
degree to say so.

Andy
inlandrv.com
airstereamparts.com  


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Message Number: 25
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:21:15 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: winterizing


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary HEEBNER" <nodoubtinmymind@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>

> Questions:  1.  I found the drain valve at the back bedroom inside the
night
> table, and the one below the sink/stove cabinet at floor level, but where
is
> the third one hiding?
>

There should be a second valve under the galley assembly.  You might have to
feel around for it.


>                    2.  Where is the bypass valving for the hot water tank,
> so that I don't fill the entire tank with antifreeze (the back of the h.w.
> tank area has a bolted-on plastic cover that is only an inch or so to the
> toilet and part of the sink cabinet structure, so it doesn't look like an
> easy access item)?

Mine is under the bathroom sink cabinet.....check under there.



Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net





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Message Number: 26
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:51:52 -0500
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: winterizing

At 10:01 AM 10/28/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi to all:
>
>I've recently purchased a '77 31' center bath and now  I need to winterize.
>The previous owner blew out the lines, but suggested that I pump in rv
>antifreeze to displace water in the low spots.  The service manual shows a
>'typical' diagram for the water lines, but not actual locations for various
>things.



>Questions:  1.  I found the drain valve at the back bedroom inside the night
>table, and the one below the sink/stove cabinet at floor level, but where is
>the third one hiding?

My 1977 31' center bath only has the two you mentioned (unless there is one 
that has been hiding :-)

>                    2.  Where is the bypass valving for the hot water tank,
>so that I don't fill the entire tank with antifreeze (the back of the h.w.
>tank area has a bolted-on plastic cover that is only an inch or so to the
>toilet and part of the sink cabinet structure, so it doesn't look like an
>easy access item)?

The unit wont have a bypass valve, unless one was added later on.

I added one to my trailer. Installing it involves removing the toilet and 
the plastic cover over the water heater. I used a "standard" bypass kit 
that's sold in RV supply stores, but I modified the installation. To 
facilitate access to the bypass valve, instead of installing it directly on 
to the hot water tank, I did a bit of custom plumbing and installed it 
in-line to the input & output lines, to the left of the hot water tank 
(underneath the sink). Now all I have to do to access it is remove the 
access panel below the sink.



>                     3.  The forward roof vent jack mechanism seems to be
>shot and won't allow the vent to come down properly.  I'll secure it from
>the outside for winter.  When I change-over in the spring to a Fantastic Fan
>or MaxxAir, does the aluminum housing for the original vent have to be
>removed in order to replace (ie: removing the caulking and drilling-out the
>rivets)?  I searched the archives, but didn't notice a change-over detail
>thread.

Yes it does. I have photos of my Fantastic-vent installation online at: 
http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/projects.htm




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Message Number: 27
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:14:17 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Anybody know why so many dirt roads get the "washer board bumps" that are so
evenly spaced?

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA



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Message Number: 28
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:22:33 EST
From: WWOODBURNWOODY@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: 1st Annual Real Wally Rally?

Hi Folks:
        Just got back from the Real Wally Rally in Santa Maria, California.
        For anyone that missed it we all had a real good time. The food 
(including BBQ Santa Maria tri-tip and scalloped potatoes), libations 
(sangria) and the people were great. It was a bash! The best rally we ever 
attended!!!
        Real Big Thanks to Don & Joyce Alexander and everyone else who helped 
make this rally a Real Success.
        Funny, we didn't see Wally there ... but we did spot Daniel Boone or 
Davey Crockett ... with that coonskin cap it was a little hard to tell.
        For anyone else who's got wagonwheels rolling in their 
airstreamdreams, wouldn't it be nice to have a Real Wally Rally sometime next 
year?  Sign us up to help.  Anyone else interested?
        It was truly serendipitous running into three fellow alumni of my 
alma mater, Los Altos Hi, at the rally.  What they say about Boomers and 
'Streamers must be true.
        See ya down the road apiece (from the ones whose door fell off the 
hinge and into the hands as we were packing to leave the rally ... more about 
that later... big thanks Brad for your help) as soon as we re-rivet ourselves.
  
                                        John Woodburn & Katie O'Brien
                                        (traveling with Shaughnessy)
                                        WBCCI #(1)1942
                                        1958 Flying Cloud, 22 footer
                                        1995 Landrover Defender 90


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Message Number: 29
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:24:46 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Why all this sudden interest in axles? I've been on the list for three years
and don't recall but one or two mentions of axles replacement.  But in the
past few months it seems like the answer to every Airstream malady is to
replace the axles ?????!!!!

Is there some marketing going on here?

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA



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Message Number: 30
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:42:41 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


I have been on a search for properly working LeDeau vent operators.  I 
have three spares that do not turn.  I have looked at the replacement 
parts only to find that they do not match the look or retro feel of the 
originals.  I would hate to have one vent with originals and the other 
with squared off after market handles.

I checked with the vender to see if I could fit my stock handles on the 
new operators to give the original look.  I was told that I would have 
to machine the old handles to fit.  I just wonder if anyone has a clue 
at how to free up the frozen operators AND why anyone would make an 
aftermarket product that doesn't look like the original?  I don't think 
costs should be the only factor in producing a decorative aftermarket 
handle.

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA 
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Kevin D Allen
  To: Multiple recipients of VACList
  Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:35 AM
  Subject: [VAC] Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


  Greetings Jason!

  
  Yes, reproductions of the LeDeau vent operators are available as are 
acrylic replacement domes for the 14" x 24" Astrodome.  The reproduction 
mechanisms are not an exact copy of the original but are functional 
replacements.  Both products are available from Inland RV.  Their 
website is:

  
  http://www.inlandrv.com/parts




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Message Number: 31
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:49:39 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


The after market operators at Inland RV may be the leading reason for 
people switching over to Fantastic Vents.

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA 
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Scott Scheuermann
  To: Multiple recipients of VACList
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:13 AM
  Subject: [VAC] Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


  Jason,

  The vent covers are available through Inland RV (airstreamparts.com) 
as well as the operators. While I personally do not like the operators 
that they sell, they are much better than not being able to open the 
vent!

  Scott



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Message Number: 32
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:04:39 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: 1st Annual Real Wally Rally?

My lady friend and I drove up from Oceanside to see the REALLY WALLY RALLY
in Santa Maria.  It was the first time I had ever been to a VAC rally in
spite of my owning a decent 66 Safari.

I was overwhelmed by the friendliness, helpulness and hospitality given by
each and every coach owner.  They all made us feel like friends visiting
their homes.  All the Airstreams were impeccable condition and most had the
little touches that made them unique to their owners.

I hope by next year to have my 66 Safari in "rally shape" and that I can
find a puller to replace my old 66 Ford Camper Special which gave up the
ghost last spring in Baja.

One concern I would like to mention, is that I asked a lot of the Airstream
owners if they were contributing to the VAClist.  Many were not involved.
Some cited that it took too much of their time.  Others seemed a bit
computer illiterate.  In any case it would be great to get more of these
experienced owners to chime in on the list.

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA

----- Original Message -----
From: <WWOODBURNWOODY@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAC] Re: 1st Annual Real Wally Rally?


> Hi Folks:
>         Just got back from the Real Wally Rally in Santa Maria,
California.
>         For anyone that missed it we all had a real good time. The food
> (including BBQ Santa Maria tri-tip and scalloped potatoes), libations
> (sangria) and the people were great. It was a bash! The best rally we ever
> attended!!!
>         Real Big Thanks to Don & Joyce Alexander and everyone else who
helped
> make this rally a Real Success.



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Message Number: 33
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:26:52 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Washboard roads

In this county in Iowa the road graders are operated improperly and so
they leave a washboard surface as they "grade". Actually here they drag
the blade turned so that any looseness in its suspension allows hard
spots in the gravel to cause the blade to rise leaving a cross road
ridge. They've done it that way for so long that the equipment would
have to be replaced to turn the blade so it cuts and keeps a constant
tension down on the blade to cut a clean smooth surface. I KNOW it can
be done, my mom's cousin Hugh Senter in SE Missouri did it proper for
all of his working life.

Then even with a perfectly smooth surface the imperfections of the
surface cause a sprung wheel and tire assembly to bounce. Somehow the
resonant frequency of the spring/mass system of most vehicles is quite
similar. That probably has to do with the designers working for minimum
sprung mass and ending up with nearly the same mass to spring rate ratio
to give a reasonable ride. With that resonant frequency matching, then
the wheel flies about the same distance each time its in the air and
when it hits it makes a little divot piling up gravel in front and
behind. That lump in front kicks it back into the air and it repeats.
The next wheel hits the same hills, flies for about the same time and
its impact adds to those hills.

There was an article on this topic in Scientific American back in the
late 50s as I recall. I only had a subscription then. Seems that the
investigator was in Australia that wrote the article and made
experiments. I didn't bring those magazines with my on my moves since
then, they may still be there by my dad can't see to read or find them
so I can't ask him to look. I'm sure browsing a few years of the
Reader's Guide to literature in a library would find that article, then
a little searching in the Citations Index could find subsequent articles
expanding on the theme.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 34
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:40:45 EST
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators



Bob Kiger. We offer a vent operator that looks good and works. That is 
superior to, sorry, there are no replacements.
Switching to fantastic vents of course is great. It provides forced 
ventilation. 
But some folks still like the old style with the crank up operators.
We are here to offer help to those that want to be helped, as best we can.
Having replacement parts, that no one else wants to have or make investments 
in, is what we like to do.
It is sad however, when we do it, and others have chosen to pass the buck, 
and not get involved with the required financial investment, but have no 
problem picking it to pieces. 

Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com


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Message Number: 35
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:38:59 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators

Kroil (available most easily on line from Cano Laboratories) and PB
Blaster (at Walmart and other stores) are the best available penetrating
oils. You might try a daily spray of both ends of the nut and threads of
the openers followed by a gentle tap of a hammer to try to crack some of
the corrosion. These penetrating oils will work into that crack and
loosen some more. With the length of nut and thread on those vintage
openers, its likely it will take more than a week to break them loose.
Often Kroil works even better when applied along with alternate heating
and cooling (another way to make microscopic cracks in corrosion).

The fan in my Caravel with the vent held nearly horizontal doesn't vent
all that effectively compared to what the design of a Fantastic vent
seems to promise.

At one time patents or production machinery or a relatively poor
original design have driven the makers of replacement hardware to make
it differently.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 36
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:50:52 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


Hi Cruiser Bob,
We looked for you at the Real Wally Rally and it looks like you were unable
to attend. Too bad. We had a great time and I only worked on three trailers
while there. I had two stuck LeDeau lifters myself and was able to get them
both unfrozen. I used a penetrating oil and just kept working at them. I'd
spray the penetrating oil on and let it sit for over an hour. Then I would
put the top part of the lifter in my vice and try to turn the fat part by
hand. Both of them eventually came loose with this method. If this doesn't
work for you, send them to me and I will try to unfreeze them. Let me know.
A vintage Airstream MUST have matching vent lifters.

Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT 



I have been on a search for properly working LeDeau vent operators.  I have
three spares that do not turn.  I have looked at the replacement parts only
to find that they do not match the look or retro feel of the originals.  I
would hate to have one vent with originals and the other with squared off
after market handles.
 
I checked with the vender to see if I could fit my stock handles on the new
operators to give the original look.  I was told that I would have to
machine the old handles to fit.  I just wonder if anyone has a clue at how
to free up the frozen operators AND why anyone would make an aftermarket
product that doesn't look like the original?  I don't think costs should be
the only factor in producing a decorative aftermarket handle.
 




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Message Number: 37
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:58:05 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


Bob,
Producing exact duplicates of obsolete parts is very expensive in small 
quantities. When this part was originally produced the anticipated sales 
were significantly more than the volumes that Andy uses when he does his 
costing. Tooling costs are usually the biggest deterrent from 
fabricating parts exactly. If Andy decided to fab these particular parts 
"exactly" as original very few, if any of us would be able to afford to 
buy one, and he would eventually go out of business. You're right, these 
vent openers are not perfect replicas however they do work as delivered 
and look good and at $54 each well worth it.  With a bit of ingenuity 
the original handles could be made to work on these lifters however from 
what I've heard the original handles are as rare as hens teeth as well.  

As far as freeing up old "frozen operators" is concerned, I too have the 
same problem. I have always found that applying a reasonable amount of 
heat to "frozen" metal assemblies works the best. Finding the right 
amount is the tough part. I will typically heat all over with a torch 
and try working the mechanism back and forth until it starts to move. 
Then keep heating & working it until its loose enough then apply some 
oil when it cools off sufficiently. Another approach is to heat the 
assembly then rapidly quench it in water several times. This will break 
the corrosion that is holding them together and the mechanism usually 
will start to move. I think a propane torch should be hot enough for a 
job like this.
Hope this helps you out,
Colin Hyde
57 Sovereign of the Road
59 Ambassador International

  I checked with the vender to see if I could fit my stock handles on 
the new operators to give the original look.  I was told that I would 
have to machine the old handles to fit.  I just wonder if anyone has a 
clue at how to free up the frozen operators AND why anyone would make an 
aftermarket product that doesn't look like the original?  I don't think 
costs should be the only factor in producing a decorative aftermarket 
handle.


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Message Number: 38
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:31:40 -0500
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: new participant and axles

Hi Bob,

AXLES DON'T LAST FOREVER!  AT LEAST THE PRE-'75 MANUFACTURE AXLES.

If you haven't been in the market for new axles for your vintage Airstream
within the past  year or so, then  you might not be aware that Inland RV is
the only source for original manufacture replacement axles.  The price
jumped from just over $400 per axle to $800 when Inland RV obtained a sole
distributor contract with Henchen for axles over 20 years old.  Axles under
20 years must be ordered from Airstream.  There are no direct sales to the
public for Argosy or Airstream axles!

Inland priced it's axles to be somewhat less than Airstream would charge.
Andy says that the change in price from $400 to $800 is the American way of
doing business! :)  Once a seller corners the market, price the item at what
ever the market will bear.

Competitive hub to hub torque axles sell for about $325.

Southwest Wheel has an interesting axle that has replacement parts, the
spindle, the torque arm, and the cartridge.  The cartridge can be tuned to
the weight needed for the application.  The representative I talked to said
that he'd personally replaced damaged  inferior Henchen axles on Airstream
travel trailers? :)  Unfortunately, mounting brackets must be welded to the
Airstream.

Dexter axles can be ordered as bolt on for my Argosy.  Only a slight
modification to the original Argosy mounting bracket is required. :)  It's
my intent to order this axle to replace the Henchen axles on my Argosy.
I'll keep the list posted of my success or failure with this project.

Yes, the Dexter would love to sell several hundred axles, but quoted a price
for a single axle when I provided the specifications.

Is my interest in marketing axles?  Nope, just trying to get my Argosy on
the road with the purchase of axles at a fare price.

Is there a better mouse trap?

Has the golden Henchen axle goose died?

Have you checked your axles recently?

                   Regards, '74 Argosy, Joy




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Message Number: 39
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:22:39 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


The original handles are what I am talking about.  I know enough about 
machining and metal work to know that it was a minor choice as to 
whether to square off the handles or grind and polish them into the 
original shape.  Even a casting can be done cheaply in Taiwan.

I spent years in the bicycle business.  Taiwan metal houses will make 
anything you want cheap.  This is especially true of small parts that 
can be air freighted. 

BTW:  Thanks for the heat tip on the operators./

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA 
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: chyde
  To: Multiple recipients of VACList
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:58 PM
  Subject: [VAC] Re: Rectangle vents and window operators


  Bob,
  Producing exact duplicates of obsolete parts is very expensive in 
small quantities. When this part was originally produced the anticipated 
sales were significantly more than the volumes that Andy uses when he 
does his costing. Tooling costs are usually the biggest deterrent from 
fabricating parts exactly. If Andy decided to fab these particular parts 
"exactly" as original very few, if any of us would be able to afford to 
buy one, and he would eventually go out of business. You're right, these 
vent openers are not perfect replicas however they do work as delivered 
and look good and at $54 each well worth it.  With a bit of ingenuity 
the original handles could be made to work on these lifters however from 
what I've heard the original handles are as rare as hens teeth as well.  



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Message Number: 40
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:30:21 -0800
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Washboard roads

From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Washboard roads


> Somehow the
> resonant frequency of the spring/mass system of most vehicles is quite
> similar. That probably has to do with the designers working for minimum
> sprung mass and ending up with nearly the same mass to spring rate ratio
> to give a reasonable ride. With that resonant frequency matching, then
> the wheel flies about the same distance each time its in the air and
> when it hits it makes a little divot piling up gravel in front and
> behind. That lump in front kicks it back into the air and it repeats.
> The next wheel hits the same hills, flies for about the same time and
> its impact adds to those hills.

BINGO!  You can observe the same bumps at regular frequency where the river
water runs into the ocean.
>
> There was an article on this topic in Scientific American back in the
> late 50s as I recall. I only had a subscription then. Seems that the
> investigator was in Australia that wrote the article and made
> experiments.

Having biked in the Outback I am sure they must have studied this phenomena.
I have been told that vehicles driving to fast get the process started.  In
any event "washboard roads" are a pain for our trailers and certainly damage
vintage axles and shocks.  I don't see any way around them.

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA




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Message Number: 41
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:34:32 -0500
From: "dave cole" <davecole@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: loosening rusted parts


The best stuff I have found for loosening up rusted stuff, is ‘super rust
penetrant’ it’s made by the ‘solder-seal’ company and sold at home depot in
yellow aerosol cans.  It is like a penetrating oil (e.g.WD40) but without
the oil.  It is truly frightening how well this stuff works. Squirt it on,
go make a cup of coffee, and 9 times out of 10 by the time you get back you
can get whatever it is loose.    I will say that I have never tried the two
products which Gerald mentioned (though I certainly will)

Dave Cole
532 Kinsley Ave, Box 27
Providence, RI 02909
401.831.0945
davecole@xxxxxxxxxx.org
www.openarts.org/davecole




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Message Number: 42
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:41:14 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: cold weather

on 10/28/02 11:47 AM, chyde@primelink1.net wrote:

>> Tomorrow, we roll south and away from snow showers in the Northeast.  Last
>> week to the north of us, 1-3 inches of snow were recorded.  Suddenly, we're
>> scrambling to get out of here. Of course, you know what will occur. As soon
>> as we leave, Indian Summer will arrive full force and our neighbors will tell
>> us we left just before the really good weather arrived.  <grin> Terry WBCCI
>> 6477
>> 
> Terry, Hate to say it but I hope your neighbors are right. It's getting a bit
> chilly up here in the North Country these days. Colin Plattsburgh, NY
> 
Hi Colin, 

You have the priviledge of living in one of the colder places in New York
State. Although we're close to being packed and ready, it doesn't look like
we'll make it by tomorrow. If ice accompanies tomorrow afternoon's rain, you
know how far we'll get (not even out of our driveway).

A couple years back, freezing rain occurred in New Mexico while we were
heading south for warmer weather. We chipped ice off our picnic table,
watched the flurries swirling around our Airstream and hunkered down for
several days.  

When we finally rolled out of the campground at San Jose (near Exit 315 on
I-25), it felt good to be free again. After taking a "shortcut" south to
avoid snow, we rolled over the "hill" at Clines Corners (Exit 218 on I-40)
directly into a blinding snow squall that coated everything with white
stuff.   

Did we learn our lesson? At the time, I thought so. Today I'm not so sure.

Enough chit chat, 

Terry 
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net



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Message Number: 43
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:57:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Rectangle vents and window operators

I agree with many parties on this issue.

a) if the handles work, and you don't care about
appearance, get 'em.

b) it is expensive to re-run obsolete parts -
multiplied by the fact that the re-runs are coming out
of California (a guess here since Andy is in CA)  In
defense of Andy, that's the way California is...

c) if either of these things is a problem, hang on to
your old vent, put it in the garage or something, and
replace the thing, if even  temporarily, with a
fantastic fan or even something cheaper - you're
trying to let air in, and keep water out - but if
you're going for vintage, wait it out 'til someone
figures out how to get these things cheaper.

I say all this, because I think it's probably a better
idea to travel in your airstream than try and make it
factory new.  "...better to wear out than to rust
out..."

someday there will be a better option, but don't let
that get in the way of enjoying what you have now!

Toby

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Message Number: 44
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:06:05 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Appropriate response?!

Dr. G, this kind of personal dig is unworthy of you, or any Airstreamer 
on this list. We are very fortunate to have Andy share his knowledge and 
opinions with us. He may not always be right (as even you are not always 
right, Dr. G), but he is a wealth of knowledge about Airstreams -- and, 
more important to us, HE IS WILLING TO SHARE IT WITH US! There are lots 
of very knowledgeable Airstream techs out there -- but most of those 
actually "in the business" can't be bothered sharing with us. Andy IS 
willing to share, and for that we should all be grateful.

There is often more than one solution to a problem, and the way you (or 
Andy or anybody else) thinks is best may not be the way I think is best. 
We are here to share our opinions and experiences, not criticize those 
expressed by others.

Best regards,

Rik

Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer wrote:

>Why off list? Too much verbal abuse from the axle seller.
>
>Gerald J.
>




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Message Number: 45
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:56:20 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: one day at a time

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/noaa/noaa.gif

This website looks quick and easy for sending and receiving email while
traveling.  Starting early Thursday and for the next few days, we'll be
rolling south to Fort Myers Beach. It looks like 1600~ miles.

Our $99 internet special (full hookups) is from 4 November to 4 December.
We've never been to this park before. Maybe it's as nice as the pictures
make it look. We've been disappointed in the past, but have high hopes.

They didn't say anything when I told them our Airstream was 25 years old.
They didn't ask, but our tow truck is 24 years old. It'll be interesting to
see if they even notice or care.

Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net



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