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Today's Topics:
1. Re: hydraulic brakes
2. Re: caravan
3. Re: Tip for laying vinyl tile
4. Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
5. Re: Tip for laying vinyl tile
6. (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
7. Re: Electrical woes
8. Re: (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
9. Re: (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
10. Re: Replacement Furnace for Bambi
11. Brake Confusion.
12. Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
13. Re: Replacement Furnace for Bambi
14. Re: Water Lines
15. Re: Water Lines
16. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
17. Re: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
18. Re: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
19. Re: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
20. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:58:09 -0400
From: "chyde" <brownhyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: hydraulic brakes
----- Original Message -----
> 2. If not, the local hitch shop says that it has a Carlisle Hydrostar
> electric-hydraulic actuator that is powered by a standard heavy-duty brake
> controller (I just put on a Jordan Ultima--hope that can handle the 15 to
20
> amps required); one just rips-out the vacuum stuff and replaces it with
this
> unit (for only $999 CDN), plus a painted steel weather-tight box to put it
> in (for only $200 CDN). Does anyone have experience with this unit?
>
> I know that many have changed-over to all electric brakes, but I would
like
> to keep the hydraulic discs if possible, and also, I would be at the
> seller's home doing the change-over, so the actuator change seems to be
> quicker and simpler than doing the whole system. Your opinions and
> expertise are sought.
>
> Gary Heebner
Gary ,
I bought a "Carlisle Hydrastar" last year for a flatbed car trailer. The
trailer originally had surge brakes but the master cylinder in the tongue
was buggered up. I did a search on the web for a rebuild kit and I found
www.theexpediter.com . These people are trailer part suppliers located in
Florida. They had the rebuild kit I was looking for but they were also
offering the Hydrastar. I bought one and it has worked out very well. It has
a self-contained battery for run away protection. It is all enclosed in a
plastic weather tight box. It also operates with a standard electric brake
controller. I paid around $400+-. I just checked their website and it is
priced at $352.50 and is part #39411. I'm planning on using one in my 57
Sovereign of the Road restoration. The nice thing about it is that you
retain hydraulic brakes and you can install it anywhere inside the trailer.
Good luck with it,
Colin Hyde
57 Sovereign of the Road
59 Ambassador International
WBCCI, VAC, 10247
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:28:27 -0400
From: "AnnJackob" <ajackob@m2000.net>
Subject: Re: caravan
Hi Paul, Do you no a William& Mary Miller on River Overlook Rd. in Front
Royal VA,\. they have an airstream? Well any I live about 300 miles north
of Binghamton NY. on RT. 81. It would be nice to travel with some one a
little closer to me. If one answers closer to me I would be happy to travel
with you people. we would be getting in to more populated area down there.
easier to get lost. Thanks very much, Ann #9421
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul P. Waddell <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 1:09 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: caravan
> Ann,
>
> Don't know which way your planning on coming down from PA. I live next
> to the
> I-81&I-66 interchange near, Front Royal,VA.. We plan on going down on
> Thursday.
>
> Paul Waddell
> WBCCI/VAC 1270
> 66 Overlander
> 70 23LY single
>
> > AnnJackob wrote:
> >
> > Good Morning,I would like to no if anyone is caravanning from North
> > east Pennsylvania to Colonial Beach Va. I would like to tag along if
> > possible Ann
>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:38:48 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Tip for laying vinyl tile
Well I suppose if they were 9x9 like the originals , they wouldnt all lay on
the joints , cause the joints are on 4 ` centers on mine .
Chris
Dave Lowrey wrote:
> Anyone else have anything to say about placing floor tiles over or next to
> subfloor seams?
>
> Dave
>
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>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 19:52:11 -0500
From: Kevin D Allen <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
Greetings Terry!
I hadn't really found anything to control them short of the annual
Winter freezing cycle. Today, however, I discovered all spiders as well
as a couple of other creepy crawlies feet up - - I guess they couldn't
take the fumes from the bathroom resurfacing project - - the trailer had
been closed up with all of the solvent fumes for about 72 hours. I
haven't gotten too panicked as none of the spiders have been of the
brown recluse or black widow varieties - - the brown recluse send me
into a tailspin as I had a severe allergic reaction to one of their
bites about ten years ago and have immediately called an exterminator
anytime one appears - - thankfully so far none in the Airstream.
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Terry Tyler
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:54 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
on 10/05/02 11:25 PM, Kevin D Allen at overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> The only pest problem that I have noticed since this was installed is
an
> increase in the number of spiders that find their way into the coach.
Hi Kevin,
Short of fumigating the entire interior, how do you control the sheer
number
of spider offspring?
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 00:12:54 -0400
From: corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Corbin C Bates)
Subject: Re: Tip for laying vinyl tile
Couldn't you just lay a 1/8" sheet of luan plywood from one side to the other over the main subfloor joint like they do in a house before laing the tile? If what I am understanding is the joint for the sub floor goes down the center of the trailer, correc
Corbin
Have trailer will travel...
Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>Well I suppose if they were 9x9 like the originals , they wouldnt all lay on
>the joints , cause the joints are on 4 ` centers on mine .
>Chris
>
>Dave Lowrey wrote:
>
>> Anyone else have anything to say about placing floor tiles over or next to
>> subfloor seams?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> WBCCI: 5074
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>> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
>> Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:36:37 -0500
From: "D. Reilly" <dmr@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
Hello Everyone,
I have a 1963 Overlander with its original Bowen water heater. The heater
is leaking water from the bottom onto the floor. I check every external
water connection and found none leaking. I have to unfortunately assume
this water heater is toast!
For those of you who have replaced one of these, which modern heater fits
best (or is easiest to install) -- A 6 gal. Suburban? or a 6 gal. Atwood? Or
other water heater?
Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
David Reilly
Madison, Mississippi
1953 Overlander
1963 Overlander
1991 Excella 1000 34'
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:12:44 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Electrical woes
Um, er, Chris,
Can you point me to exactly a connector that would mount on the wall and
have a mate on the end of a 12v gizmo? I am hoping for something
reasonably attractive looking that is as easy to use a standard 110
plug.
Thanks,
Daisy ( who is a little electronics-vocabulary challenged )
Chris Bryant wrote:
>
> My Airstream wrote:
>
> >I will begin to search for the best locking DC connector that I can find.
>
> I just found this: http://www.powerwerx.com/ - they have some
> nice looking DC power connectors at ratings up to 75 amps- plus
> chassis mount connectors. Pretty cheap, too.
>
> --
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:15:00 -0500
From: "Herbert Spivey" <hspivey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
I used a Suburban in my Bambi. The hot air exhaust is on the same side
as the Bowen. I used the original shroud from the Bowen. Others have
used the Atwood and changed sides with the exhaust on the shroud. Wish I
had put in the LP/Electric. There was very little difference in price at
Campers Choice.
Herb Spivey
6074
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
D. Reilly
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:37 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
Hello Everyone,
I have a 1963 Overlander with its original Bowen water heater. The
heater is leaking water from the bottom onto the floor. I check every
external water connection and found none leaking. I have to
unfortunately assume this water heater is toast!
For those of you who have replaced one of these, which modern heater
fits best (or is easiest to install) -- A 6 gal. Suburban? or a 6 gal.
Atwood? Or other water heater?
Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
David Reilly
Madison, Mississippi
1953 Overlander
1963 Overlander
1991 Excella 1000 34'
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:27:12 -0500
From: "D. Reilly" <dmr@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
Hi Herb,
So you didn't have to buy the optional outside cover?
I didn't think you could use the original coverings. That sounds great!
Thanks.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert Spivey" <hspivey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: (Cold) Water heater - Serious Question
> I used a Suburban in my Bambi. The hot air exhaust is on the same side
> as the Bowen. I used the original shroud from the Bowen. Others have
> used the Atwood and changed sides with the exhaust on the shroud. Wish I
> had put in the LP/Electric. There was very little difference in price at
> Campers Choice.
>
> Herb Spivey
> 6074
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:49:43 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Replacement Furnace for Bambi
Hi guys,
I was needing an old Carlson to develop overhaul procedures &
techniques like I have done for the Hydro-Flames and Panel-Rays. Any
chance I could convince you to ship the body to me for shipping costs &
pizza money?
Thanks,
RJ Dial
VintageAirstream.com
-----Original Message-----
From: elevan@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:elevan@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:46 PM
To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAC] Replacement Furnace for Bambi
We have removed the old Carlson 6000 BTU furnace from our 61 Bambi and
are looking for a new unit to replace it with. Since we are reworking
the cabinets, we could use just about any size and shape. Has anyone
replaced one in a Bambi? I have read there are drawbacks to a unit
with higher BTUs but so far 12,000 BTU is the smallest I have found.
Thanks in advance. Eric and Linda
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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:34:27 -0400
From: frances.mierzwa@xxxxxxxxxx.ge.com
Subject: Brake Confusion.
I had a productive weekend, but sitting here at my desk, I'm having some
doubts ...
I replaced the shock, brake magnets, and finally repacked bearings on my '62
Safari. I replaced the magnets (yes, both pairs) with "in kind" round
magnets. However, on inspection of the brake pads, I decided they were
"marginal" and would replace them since everything was going so smoothly.
As I review catalogs and Airstream sites, I can't quite figure out what type
of brakes I have, and if I identified the wrong type of brakes.
They are definitely 12" x 2", with pads stamped into place with a "K" on the
brass connectors, and have a dual retractor spring. They are on a six-lug
drum. By all the context clues I assumed they were Kelsey-Hayes, but I
cannot find a single parts diagram to match --- all the Hayes diagrams have
a single retractor. The Dexter 12" x 2" looks most similar, which means I
may have installed the wrong magnets. As I mentioned once in passing, I was
surprised at the wear on the previous round magnets (rubbed to coil,
although armature plate looks decent).
Questions:
1.) Is there a definitive way to tell brake manufacturer?
2.) Would the round magnets seemingly "fit" (albeit loosely) if I
identified the wrong brake type? In other words, would it be physically
possible to install the wrong magnets?
Damn, these old trailers can be tricky. Thanks in advance for any and all
help. This list rocks.
Fran the Chick With the Airstream the Dogs Like to Run Around.
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:57:10 -0700
From: "Dave Huffman" <huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
Thanks, Kevin, for the info. I have found a source for an Electric Utility
Door, but I don't think it includes the smallish box I see in the current
SOB Power Utility Compartments. That could prevent some of the tangling
you're tangoing with. I have not asked the salesperson to unreel one of
those power cords, but they look shorter than that on my '68 Caravel.
I'm wondering whether I could go male to male at the end of the present
Power Cord, that to the back of an External Power Outlet unit mounted on the
new Utility door. We rarely use A/C, so could a 30amp? Power Cord be
plugged in externally to this set-up for only Heat, Fan. Then if/when I
need A/C, I could open the utility door, unplug the end of the oeq Power
Cord, and connect it up?
Huff
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 00:25:21 -0500
From: Kevin D Allen <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
. ... I have had the updates performed that you are contemplating. ... "code"
required these updates as part of
the re-plumbing and re-wiring process.
. ...The electrical connection on the other hand has been nothing other than
an extreme headache. The hatch is mounted through a hole that was cut
in the rear panel of the trailer about 4 inches above the bumper. The
plastic housing is temperamental at best, and is often difficult to
close when the cord is stored. ...
the constant problem of the 30-Amp umbilical cord constantly becoming
tangled in the
plumbing and univolt equipment found in its nesting area. ... The only
pest problem that I have noticed since this was installed is an increase
in the number of spiders ...
... [not] that much of an improvement as it is still often necessary to
open the
one-stop utility center to untangle the 30-amp umbilical cord.
. ... both devices are mostly plastic which I fear will become brittle with
age and need
replacement in the not too distant future. ... Kevin D. Allen
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:23:03 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Replacement Furnace for Bambi
My apoligies - this was to be offlist. Even the ol' webmaster can screw
up with email..
RJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dial, RJ /oakeg
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:50 AM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Cc: Dial, RJ /oakeg
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Replacement Furnace for Bambi
> Hi guys,
> I was needing an old Carlson to develop overhaul procedures &
> techniques like I have done for the Hydro-Flames and Panel-Rays...
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:04:48 -0500
From: "Dick Parins" <2867@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Water Lines
Kathy wrote:
I am finally putting my Bambi back together and have been wondering
about
the water lines.
Do I understand that some of you have used plastic in place of copper
lines?
Hi Kathy,
I am replacing the water tank and pump in our Bambi. The instructions with the new Shurflo pump say you must use flexible plastic tubing within one foot of the pump on both sides. They say NOT to use stiff plastic in that area which I take to mean PEX.
Good luck on your plumbing project.
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:23:28 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Water Lines
PEX tubing and fittings. The only way to go. You can buy what you need at
most RV supply stores and I even have heard that Home Depot carries it.
www.airstreamdreams.com has the fittings as well. PEX is easy to work with.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Parins" <2867@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Water Lines
> Kathy wrote:
>
> I am finally putting my Bambi back together and have been wondering
> about
> the water lines.
>
> Do I understand that some of you have used plastic in place of copper
> lines?
>
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
> I am replacing the water tank and pump in our Bambi. The instructions with
the new Shurflo pump say you must use flexible plastic tubing within one
foot of the pump on both sides. They say NOT to use stiff plastic in that
area which I take to mean PEX. I have installed a new city connection
through the floor into the belly access door with a backflow preventer in
the coach to keep the city water pressure off the tank. The pump will mount
between the tank and this backflow preventer. I will use nylon reinforced
plastic tubing which is rated at 200 pounds per square inch for everything
upstream of the backflow preventer. This is a very short distance in our
small trailers. I will continue with copper for everything downstream of
the backflow preventer. I could use PEX downstream but I like working with
copper, have the tools and the sweated fittings are reasonably priced. In
my trailer the lines all have a pitch to a drain so it should not be too
tricky to winterize (I h!
> ope). I plan to use the original fill spout on the front of the trailer
and I think I've come up with a bug proof vent arrangement.
>
> Good luck on your plumbing project.
>
> Dick
> '62 Bambi
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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:32:04 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <jimcombs@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
I've heard you can get Rhino Linings to spray their
polyurethane truck bed liner on your RV roof.
Strong, flexible and completely waterproof. Great
stuff, but I'd have the same concern about weight.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
-----Original Message-----
From: Toby Folwick [mailto:toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
>
>I bet the white goop is rubberized something-or-other
>and it will add some significant sound proofing too -
>along with a ton of weight!
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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:45:23 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
Kevin needs the wiring diagram showing the conversion from the pre-1982
non-standard Airstream wiring of the umbilical cord to the current standard
wiring as comes equipped on current cars and trucks. I can't find my
conversion diagram. Can somebody help?
Thanks,
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Angus" <>
To: "'James Greene'" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 14:10
Subject: RE: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
> I've tried searching www.tompatterson.com for "wiring harness" and other
> key words but I only get a blank screen for my effort. I could not find
> a contact link to notify the webmanager.
> Is there somewhere else that has a list of the wire/pin location of
> todays 7 wire round harness and yesterdays(pre-198x?)?
> Thanks
>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 15:12:30 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
My '68 Caravel Owner's manual shows the old connections and any Bargman
commector package shows the new ones.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 19
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:50:06 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [A/S] AS Wiring Diagram
Hi to those interested in AS wiring?
This doesn not apply to the old style Airstream plugs with round
pins/recepticles.
Note that there are three of the seven wires that have mixed colors.
Bargman or
Pollck
Function '74 Argosy New Umbilical '69 Safari
Common Ground white #8 white white
Electric Brake yellow blue yellow
Tail/running green green green
Battery Charge blue #8 black blue
Left turn/stop red red
red
Right turn/stop brown brown brown
Aux (backup) black yellow black
Car end clockwise (notch) blue, brown, black, green, red, white,
(center) yellow. The pin number 1 starts to the right of the notch, then
clockwise looking at the back of the plug. The center is pin 7.
Trailer end counter clockwise blue, brown, black, green, red, white,
(center yellow). The pin number 1 starts to the left of the notch, then
counter clockwise looking at the back of the plug. The center is pin 7.
Be sure to test the wires for function in case there's a color change.
Take a look at http://www.marksrv.com/wiring.htm if you want to check out
the color code for your vehicle. Each manufacturer has a different
convention.
Regards, Joy
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Message Number: 20
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:30:23 -0500
From: lefty frizzell <leftyfrizzell@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
About $350-$400 per truck bed...it won't come cheap for 30' of roof.
Lefty Frizzell
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-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Jim Combs
Sent: October 07, 2002 15:32
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
I've heard you can get Rhino Linings to spray their
polyurethane truck bed liner on your RV roof.
Strong, flexible and completely waterproof. Great
stuff, but I'd have the same concern about weight.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
-----Original Message-----
From: Toby Folwick [mailto:toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
>
>I bet the white goop is rubberized something-or-other
>and it will add some significant sound proofing too -
>along with a ton of weight!
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