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VACList DigestVACList-Digest Thursday, October 3, 2002 Issue 444
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Hot Water Heater question
2. Re: Painting of an Airstream
3. Re: Painting of an Airstream
4. Re: Hot Water Heater question
5. Re: Hot Water Heater question
6. Replacement Furnace
7. Re: Hot Water Heater question
8. Re: Painting of an Airstream
9. Re: Painting of an Airstream
10. Re: Retractable Step
11. Re: Replacement Furnace
12. Re: Painting of an Airstream
13. tow vehicle
14. Re: tow vehicle
15. Re:
16. Hot Water Heater question
17. tow vehicle Dodge Dart? Seriously?
18. Re: Andy's "don'tcha's" Painting of an Airstream
19. Re: tow vehicle
20. "air guitar" Seriously?
21. Re: tow vehicle
22. Re: tow vehicle
23. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
24. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
25. Re: tow vehicle
26. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
27. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
28. another tow vehicle question
29. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
30. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
31. Re: another tow vehicle question
32. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
33. Re: another tow vehicle question
34. Re: Retractable Step
35. Re: Painting of an Airstream
36. Painting an Airstream
37. Re: Painting an Airstream
38. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
39. New Airstream Dealer in NJ
40. Re: tow vehicle Dodge Dart? Seriously?
41. Vintage Tow Vehicle
42. Re: another tow vehicle question
43. An adequate tow vehicle
44. Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
45. Re: An adequate tow vehicle
46. Re: Retractable Step
47. Tip for laying vinyl tile
48. Re: Tip for laying vinyl tile
49. Re: An adequate tow vehicle
50. Re: Vintage Tow Vehicle
51. Re: tow vehicle teardrops
52. Re: Painting of an Airstream
53. "air guitars" & puller rentals
54. Re: Painting of an Airstream
55. Re: "air guitars" & puller rentals
56. Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
57. Re: "air guitars" & puller rentals
58. Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
59. Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
60. Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
61. Re: "air guitars" & puller rentals
62. Tire ware.
63. Re: Vintage Tow Vehicle
64. Re: Tire ware.
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:54:10 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Don, have you lighted the pilot and watched to see what happened? Could the
wind be blowing it out? Could the air shutter be set wrong so the pilot is
blown out when the gas valve opens? Could the contact on the thermocouple be
corroded? Has the thermocouple vibrated lose from road surface
irregularities or is it still snugged up in the gas control? Do all
thermocouples put out the same signal or is yours on the weak end of normal
output? Somebody probably knows what the output should be and how to tell if
yours is sufficient to operate the gas valve reliably.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:40
Subject: [VAC] Re: Hot Water Heater question
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>
>
> > Thermocoupler will shut off the gas if there is a problem.
>
> It is new and the pilot flame is fine as well.
>
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:03:19 -0500
From: lefty frizzell <leftyfrizzell@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Say Andy,
When I bring mine out, later this year for a paint job....could we go
for a Zebra motiff or some panoramic scene, like the truckers have? Or,
we could do the polka dot routine. Whatcha think?
Silver is so bland, don'tcha know? ;-]
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
****
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Today is not your day.
Tomorrow is not looking too good either.
****
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: October 02, 2002 18:42
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting of an Airstream
Who is judging who?
Now you have stated "VERY LOAD AND CLEAR" why many "very nice" vintage
as
well as non-vintage Airstream owners want nothing to do with WBCCI
and/or
VAC.
Enjoy your sarcasm's fellows, but all you really do is further reduce
the
number of club members, as well as drive off potential new members.
How crude!!!
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:35:23 -0700
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
A little paint will cover a lot of Bondo
GQ '67 Safari
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:00:41 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
I can't find anything that appears to be wrong. I am taking it back over to
Bob Jones RV next week. I will let you know what the problem is then.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Hot Water Heater question
> Don, have you lighted the pilot and watched to see what happened? Could
the
> wind be blowing it out? Could the air shutter be set wrong so the pilot is
> blown out when the gas valve opens? Could the contact on the thermocouple
be
> corroded? Has the thermocouple vibrated lose from road surface
> irregularities or is it still snugged up in the gas control? Do all
> thermocouples put out the same signal or is yours on the weak end of
normal
> output? Somebody probably knows what the output should be and how to tell
if
> yours is sufficient to operate the gas valve reliably.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:40
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Hot Water Heater question
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > > Thermocoupler will shut off the gas if there is a problem.
> >
> > It is new and the pilot flame is fine as well.
> >
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:41:00 -0700
From: Bill Worden <fantods@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Here, let me help. I can clear this up once and for all for you folks.
You've simply allowed yourselves to be mis-directed! The "hot" in "hot
water heater" refers to the heater ,not the water!
No one needs to heat hot water as Andy pointed out. However, when the water
heater is heating or full of hot water it is hot-hence a hot water heater.
A cold water heater is not only a contradiction, but a sad state of affairs
indeed. There now, doesn't everyone feel better? ;)
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Message Number: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:58:24 -0500
From: "Bruce Coonrod" <coonrod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Replacement Furnace
I need to replace the original Suburban furnace in my '68 Tradewind. I'm
still considering alternative heat sources, including a catalytic heater.
But if I do replace it with another forced air furnace, what should I
look for? How do the air intake and exhaust work with a replacement? What
are the difficulties of going from a round duct on new furnaces to my square
ducts?
In other words, which furnace might require the least conversion?
Bruce Coonrod
WBCCI 15920
VAC
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Message Number: 7
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:16:48 -0700
From: James Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
I love these questions and the responses that show some thinking...
The water heater does indeed heat "hot water"... warm water and cold
water... The name refers to the temp of the water, just like the hot water
pipes and the hot water faucet... it is the heater for the hot water.. like
the pipes for the hot water... One attempt at humor and every body loses
it...
Try to find a "cold water heater" in any catalog....maybe a Google search
to keep up with the times....How about a cold air furnace???
I just love it....
Jim
At 05:41 PM 10/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Here, let me help. I can clear this up once and for all for you folks.
>You've simply allowed yourselves to be mis-directed! The "hot" in "hot
>water heater" refers to the heater ,not the water!
>No one needs to heat hot water as Andy pointed out. However, when the water
>heater is heating or full of hot water it is hot-hence a hot water heater.
>A cold water heater is not only a contradiction, but a sad state of affairs
>indeed. There now, doesn't everyone feel better? ;)
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:08:22 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Lefty. How about "chromalusion" stripes and or decals?
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 9
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:27:31 -0500
From: lefty frizzell <leftyfrizzell@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Anything to create a scene. You know me. Should see you in early
December.
Get the brushes ready!
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
****
I can only please one person per day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow is not looking too good either.
****
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: October 02, 2002 20:08
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting of an Airstream
Lefty. How about "chromalusion" stripes and or decals?
Andy
inlandrv.com
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Message Number: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:22:38 -0000
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Retractable Step
Rob,
I believe I have the same step as you. Why not just bend the tab enough to
keep the step in place?
Scott
'60 Overlander
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Davis" <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> I'm sure this has been asked before but how do you vintage owners keep
> the retractable step in the UP position? Ours extends every time we hit
> a sharp bump. There appears to be a small metal tab for this purpose but
> it is very stiff and not close enough to the step lip to grab it.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:33:57 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Replacement Furnace
Bruce,
Another Suburban will be the least disruptive. The inlet/outlet of the NT series
is uses the same hole pattern as the older Suburban. The difference is the new
furnace will have a smaller overall size and will have to be blocked up to
lineup to the old holes in the skin. You will also have build and extension for
the heat ducting plenum. The other furnaces out there, both Suburban's SF/SH
series and Atwood/Hydroflame require a very large rectangular hole in the skin
to install.
Charlie
Bruce Coonrod wrote:
> I need to replace the original Suburban furnace in my '68 Tradewind. I'm
> still considering alternative heat sources, including a catalytic heater.
> But if I do replace it with another forced air furnace, what should I
> look for? How do the air intake and exhaust work with a replacement? What
> are the difficulties of going from a round duct on new furnaces to my square
> ducts?
> In other words, which furnace might require the least conversion?
>
> Bruce Coonrod
> WBCCI 15920
> VAC
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Message Number: 12
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:39:05 EDT
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
I want to do mine in candy apple red with green toungh and wheels. Origional
dont you think??????
Jim Smith
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Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:40:45 -0400
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: tow vehicle
I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed yet.
I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I could
put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I would
have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get away
with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to know
what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
Marc Bossiere
Reston, Virginia
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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>From: VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Subject: [VAC]
>Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2002, 8:01 PM
>
> Inlands
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:58:30 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: tow vehicle
Marc,
I would say a 16 footer. I don't think the slant-6 has enough get up and
go
to pull the 31 footer.
paul waddell
Marc Bossiere wrote:
>
> I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed yet.
> I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I could
> put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I would
> have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get away
> with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to know
> what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
>
> Marc Bossiere
> Reston, Virginia
>
> mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> ----------
> >From: VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
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> >Subject: [VAC]
> >Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2002, 8:01 PM
> >
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> > Inlands
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:06:35 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re:
Randy,
Inlandrv sells a wheel that will fit the trailer. I can not tell from
the PIC on the
web site if it has the type of clips that take the "baby moon" hubcap. I
will say,
a Chevy wheel from a 1949-1953 truck/car may work. It is a 6 lug, has
clips and takes
the "center baby moon" hubcap. They look identical. You may want to
check the load
specs.
Paul Waddell
66 Overlander
70 23LY single
gshippen wrote:
>
> Randy,
> Thanks for the note. How about rims? I noticed that I have one rim that
> has no clips to accomodate the moons. Where would one get the original type
> wheels?
>
> GAS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:17 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
> > ----- New Message -----
> > From: gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Hub caps
> >
> > Greetings fellow airstreamers.
> >
> > I am looking for four of the original hub caps to fit my 1966 Overlander.
> > If anyone has any for sale please contact me off list or if there is a
> > source for new ones?
> >
> > GAS
> >
> > I have a '66 Overlander with the original hub caps with the blue ring
> around
> > the "moon" center, and no you can't have them. But, for the next best
> thing,
> > go to:
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14983&BQ=sc
> >
> > I bought a set for my Sovereign. They are very close to my original
> > Overlander caps. I plan to paint the 'ring' a/s blue. This is as good deal
> > as you'll probably find. 15" is the size..All 4 for about $100 delivered.
> > Randy Unter
> > '66 Overlander
> > '73 Sovereign
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:13:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Hot Water Heater question
--- James Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> I love these questions and the responses that show
> some thinking...
> The water heater does indeed heat "hot water"...
> warm water and cold
> water... The name refers to the temp of the water,
> just like the hot water
> pipes and the hot water faucet... it is the heater
> for the hot water.. like
> the pipes for the hot water... One attempt at humor
> and every body loses
> it...
> Try to find a "cold water heater" in any
> catalog....maybe a Google search
> to keep up with the times....How about a cold air
> furnace???
>
> I just love it....
>
> Jim
>
>
> At 05:41 PM 10/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Here, let me help. I can clear this up once and
> for all for you folks.
> >You've simply allowed yourselves to be
> mis-directed! The "hot" in "hot
> >water heater" refers to the heater ,not the water!
> >No one needs to heat hot water as Andy pointed out.
> However, when the water
> >heater is heating or full of hot water it is
> hot-hence a hot water heater.
> >A cold water heater is not only a contradiction,
> but a sad state of affairs
> >indeed. There now, doesn't everyone feel better? ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:09:15 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: tow vehicle Dodge Dart? Seriously?
> I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed
yet.
> I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I
could
> put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I
would
> have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get
away
> with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to
know
> what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
>
> Marc Bossiere
> Reston, Virginia
You are serious about wanting to know if an old Dodge Dart with a slant
6-cylinder engine could possibly if *ever* haul the load of a 31' Airstream
(Excella is just the trim level package)?
If you are seriously (theres that word again!) contemplating how this Dodge
Dart would haul the mail, so to speak, I can't even begin to think to ask
you, "What *are* you thinking! ?"
In my mind's eye all I can see is the rear of the now lowered Dodge Dart on
the ground with the steering tires in the air. Sort of like an "air guitar"
but in this case it would be steering tires that didn't go left or right,
the "air guitar" makes no sound either. ;)
You can't haul the mail with the Dodge Dart slant-6 engine. Maybe you could
have the old car in front of it for pictures but I'd hate to be the one
taking real pictures of the tail wagging this dog.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:19:00 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Andy's "don'tcha's" Painting of an Airstream
> Say Andy,
>
> When I bring mine out, later this year for a paint job....could we go
> for a Zebra motiff or some panoramic scene, like the truckers have? Or,
> we could do the polka dot routine. Whatcha think?
>
> Silver is so bland, don'tcha know? ;-]
>
> Lefty Frizzell
> http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
I don't think Andy does "don'tcha's". Andy knows, but he don't know
"don'tcha's" I'm betting.
I've got lots of pictures of "different" (I won't say weird here but I was
thinking it!) motiffs. Set up a Folder in the Pictures section of our list
and I'll upload a few to get your mind to a' thinkin' there, Ol' Lefty.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:27:56 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: tow vehicle
The only conditions I can think of, but would not recommend, are downhill,
behind a fully loaded semi tractor/trailor rig with the wind. Good luck on
stopping.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
> I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed yet.
> I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I could
> put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I would
> have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get away
> with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to know
> what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
>
> Marc Bossiere
> Reston, Virginia
>
> mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> ----------
>> From: VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>> Subject: [VAC]
>> Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2002, 8:01 PM
>>
>
>> Inlands
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:55:07 -0400
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: "air guitar" Seriously?
> In my mind's eye all I can see is the rear of the now lowered Dodge Dart on
> the ground with the steering tires in the air. Sort of like an "air guitar"
> but in this case it would be steering tires that didn't go left or right,
> the "air guitar" makes no sound either. ;)
I got a good chuckle from this. Guess I should heed this deluge of NO!
DON'T TRY IT on the slant-6 question. I was aware it was a mismatch, but
for example, what if this were a 318 or a 360 ci Dodge Dart? Same chassis,
but more pulling power. I just needed to know if I could get it across
Tucson with it. Maybe not, huh?
MB
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 21:26:58 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: tow vehicle
Expensive, harrowing experience, No. If you took the engine out, put it in a 3/4
ton pickup maybe.
Marc Bossiere wrote:
> I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed yet.
> I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I could
> put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I would
> have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get away
> with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to know
> what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
>
> Marc Bossiere
> Reston, Virginia
>
> mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> ----------
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> >Subject: [VAC]
> >Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2002, 8:01 PM
> >
>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:30:25 -0500
From: Kevin D Allen <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: tow vehicle
Greetings Marc!
Think twice before attempting such a move with your Dart. As equipped,
your Dart would be towing more than six (6) times it trailer towing
limit as recommended by the factory. Even with the largest available V8
and the trailer towing package, you would be at least twice (2) the
maximum trailer towing limit suggested by the factory.
The unit body on your Dart simply would not be up to the stresses of
towing a rig the size that you propose. Given my recent experience
having a receiver hitch fabricated for my 1975 Cadillac, I don't think
that you would be able to find a reputable hitch shop that would
consider fabricating a hitch with sufficient weight carrying capacity
for your Dart. I have a 1965 Dodge Coronet 500 with the 383 c.i. V8, and
I would hesitate to tow my '64 Overlander with it even though it has the
heavy duty factory tow package and has been used to tow a 4,000 pound 19
foot travel trailer in the past.
The factory trailer tow rating of your Dart was a maximum of 1,000
pounds with the slant six. With the full factory tow package and the
largest available V8, the maximum trailer tow rating was either 3,000 or
3,500 pounds. The only reason that I am familiar with these ratings is
that I considered trading my Dodge Coronet on a 1970 Dart with the full
trailer tow package.
Good luck with finding a suitable tow vehicle for your Airstream!
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Marc Bossiere
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:41 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] tow vehicle
I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed
yet.
I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I
could
put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I
would
have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get
away
with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to
know
what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
Marc Bossiere
Reston, Virginia
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:35:02 EDT
From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
In a message dated 10/2/02 11:00:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> I got a good chuckle from this. Guess I should heed this deluge of NO!
> DON'T TRY IT on the slant-6 question. I was aware it was a mismatch, but
> for example, what if this were a 318 or a 360 ci Dodge Dart? Same chassis,
> but more pulling power. I just needed to know if I could get it across
> Tucson with it. Maybe not, huh?
>
>
Marc,
I sometimes use a 77 Chrysler New Yorker with 440 engine as the tow vehicle
for my 77 Excella and it does the job, but it does sway some when trucks pass
and it is really not got enough power for major hill climbs. I assume
earlier cars without pollution equipment choking the engine would be better,
but I would not consider anything less than a full size car with not much
less than a 400 ci engine. Friends of mine took their 75 Excella to
Colorado from GA with a 65 Mercury wagon w/ 390 and said it did very nicely,
but I wasn't driving so I cant vouch for handelling capabilities. I do know
that my 94 Suburban 2500 is much better than my 2001 Suburban 1500 which is
still much better than the Chrysler in stability with wind or passing trucks.
Another factor is fuel range with older cars as tow vehicles. The Chrysler
gets 6 mpg with a 25 gallon tank for a range of only 125 miles which can get
you in trouble out west where you cant get gas anywhere. It only does the
shorter trips where I want the whole vintage look but do not mind the
frequent gas stops.
Good luck,
John
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:45:45 -0400
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
One other question, with regards to tow vehicles. I want to purchase an
older vehicle for sometime-use with my Excella but most-time use as a
non-tow vehicle. I was a good compromise between power and economy (when
not pulling the Airstream). Maybe 15-20 mpg without the load. I have a
fondness for older vehicles (60's/70's). It doesn't matter if it's a car or
a truck, if it is a good compromise (as stated above).
What do you people know of which meets this description?
I currently have an '86 1 ton E350 (with a 351ci block) which is great for
the towing but a killer to use otherwise.
Marc Bossiere
31' Excella (1978)
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:48:47 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: tow vehicle
Marc,
You would have a better experience dropping that slant six into the Excella
and pulling the Dart.
Randy
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:53:23 -0400
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
John,
Did you use a sway control package and/or weight distribution kit with your
New Yorker and th 77 Excella?
Marc
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From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
Date: Wed, Oct 2, 2002, 11:35 PM
I sometimes use a 77 Chrysler New Yorker with 440 engine as the tow vehicle
for my 77 Excella and it does the job, but it does sway some when trucks
pass and it is really not got enough power for major hill climbs. I assume
earlier cars without pollution equipment choking the engine would be better,
but I would not consider anything less than a full size car with not much
less than a 400 ci engine. Friends of mine took their 75 Excella to
Colorado from GA with a 65 Mercury wagon w/ 390 and said it did very nicely,
but I wasn't driving so I cant vouch for handelling capabilities. I do know
that my 94 Suburban 2500 is much better than my 2001 Suburban 1500 which is
still much better than the Chrysler in stability with wind or passing
trucks.
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Message Number: 27
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:55:12 -0400
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
. ... would my E350/351ci van have a tough time over mountains with the 78
Excella? I have not tried it.
MB
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Message Number: 28
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:55:36 -0400
From: "goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net" <goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: another tow vehicle question
Hi, All,
All this talk about Dodge Darts (which I love, incidentally) has made me
want to ask you about my tow vehicle of choice for my 22' Safari... A
little
late since I already told the guy I was going to buy it, but I could still
back out if I hear a similar chorus of noes. This is a 1971 Chevy
Cheyenne C20, 3/4 ton, 402 big block V8 engine, 4 spd. It has three
gas tanks...I think that's a sign the gas mileage is atrocious... ;-)
Thoughts?
Amanda
'68 Safari
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Message Number: 29
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:05:36 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
Marc,
I have a Plymouth Reliant I'll sell ya! Hope your still chuckling.
Seriously, I doubt there is an older vehicle out there that will adequately
tow that Excalla AND get good gas mileage. You might be able to squeeze 15
MPG out of an older diesel but even then, it's a stretch. Have you
considered renting a pickup for those "sometime-use" trips you referred to?
A lot of the rental places are doing that now. Then you can hang onto that
Dart, which, BTW, has a following and might be worth keeping.
Randy
> One other question, with regards to tow vehicles. I want to purchase an
> older vehicle for sometime-use with my Excella but most-time use as a
> non-tow vehicle. I was a good compromise between power and economy (when
> not pulling the Airstream). Maybe 15-20 mpg without the load. I have a
> fondness for older vehicles (60's/70's). It doesn't matter if it's a car
or
> a truck, if it is a good compromise (as stated above).
>
> What do you people know of which meets this description?
>
> I currently have an '86 1 ton E350 (with a 351ci block) which is great for
> the towing but a killer to use otherwise.
>
> Marc Bossiere
> 31' Excella (1978)
>
>
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Message Number: 30
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:26:07 EDT
From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
In a message dated 10/2/02 11:47:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> One other question, with regards to tow vehicles. I want to purchase an
> older vehicle for sometime-use with my Excella but most-time use as a
> non-tow vehicle. I was a good compromise between power and economy (when
> not pulling the Airstream). Maybe 15-20 mpg without the load. I have a
> fondness for older vehicles (60's/70's). It doesn't matter if it's a car
> or
> a truck, if it is a good compromise (as stated above).
>
>
Marc,
It will be nearly impossible to find any vintage tow vehicle with enough
power that will give you much (if any) better mpg than 15. I would look for
something pre-1973 to get cars that were getting max power out of the engine.
My 77 Excella manual had an equation for factoring the required engine size
for towing which equated to 400 ci. Some engines do tend to be more
economical tha others. I have had the Ford/Mercury 390 and gotten high teen
mpg while a similar Ford w/352 engine would rarely get up to 12 mpg.
Also keep in mind the difficulty factor of installing the hitch. My New
Yorker is one of the least noticable class 3 receiver hitches I have seen. I
had looked at a '71 thunderbird and decided against it because the hitch
couldn't be tucked under at all because of chassis/trunk design and it would
have been seriously ugly.
John
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Message Number: 31
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:24:18 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: another tow vehicle question
Amands, I suspect your new Chevy will just about pull a house... I have
a '65 F350 dually flat bed with a 4 speed (7:1 granny gear) with a 5.13
rear axle from a bigger truck, powered by a 390 with four barrel
carburetor. If I keep it down to 50 it gets 9 mpg unloaded or loaded. If
I really load it down (say pulling 275 bales of hay at 18 mph in 3rd
gear) or drive it at 65 it drops to 8 mpg. The biggest weighed load I've
had behind it was 13,200 pounds and that didn't warm it up on a July
Iowa day. I've done a lot of work but not much cosmetic to it, I could
be talked out of it... It has new tires (at least with few miles) new
shocks, water pump, brakes and brake lines, drag link, king pins, and
tie rod ends. Needs a seat that fits (I have one in the barn but the
raccoons have wrecked it), some body work, probably a battery and some
exercise. With a 15 gallon tank in the cab it is a short range truck.
Needs glass gaskets and a cracked windshield replaced. But it will pull
a house whether or not the house is on wheels.
70's vintage Chevy pickups around here have had a bad tendency to rust
from the inside out.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 32
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:27:46 EDT
From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
In a message dated 10/2/02 11:58:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> Did you use a sway control package and/or weight distribution kit with your
> New Yorker and th 77 Excella?
> Marc
>
>
Yes and Definitely, the NYer could not possibly tow the Excella without the
weight dist hitch.
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Message Number: 33
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:33:36 EDT
From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: another tow vehicle question
In a message dated 10/2/02 11:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
> This is a 1971 Chevy
> Cheyenne C20, 3/4 ton, 402 big block V8 engine, 4 spd. It has three
> gas tanks...I think that's a sign the gas mileage is atrocious... ;-)
>
>
Amanda,
That should be a very good tow vehicle for your Safari. The 400 should not
be all that bad in mpg (better than the 454), and the three tanks should give
you quite a range. Just be sure to go through everything very thouroughly,
including front suspension and steering which are often needing attention in
older vehicles.
John
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Message Number: 34
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:38:01 -0600
From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Retractable Step
Scott,
Thanks for the input. The dead-blow mallet had no problem with the tab,
all is well now.
Rob
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Message Number: 35
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:07:59 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
> Lefty. How about "chromalusion" stripes and or decals?
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
Seen that color called Chameleon? Changes colors like lizards to blend in?
I have pictures of an Excursion done up like that. I think DuPont makes the
paint and maybe they even used it on Jeff Gordon's NASCAR ride one night
race at Lowe's Motor Speedway in Concord, NC.
You could look at an Airstream painted this color and one way parts of it
would look purple, just past that you'd see gold, maybe maroon farther down
below where the light hits it differently.
If you could figure out how to paint an Airstream the same as Dichroic glass
you'd really have a hit on your hands! What about using irredesent (sp?)
color that makes it look like all the colors of the rainbow in an oil slick
on water? Cool, huh! ;)
Tom
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Message Number: 36
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 01:30:21 -0700
From: Jim Bounds <jimbounds@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Painting an Airstream
Sorry, I don't get the chance to get over to this list very often and I may
have come in on this thread somewhere in between but I thought I could add
something here.
I the shop, we keep an open mind on many things and always look for better
ways and more efficient systems. Since I have posted here, we stripped and
cleared a 35' Airstream motorhome. We did not use the usual clear that has
been used in the past, we shot a "high solids clear" product, used 9
gallons before mixing. We lost count of the # of coats, the finish would
blind you. The customer (what a sport for letting us try this process) was
overwhelmed with the outcome.
I will tell you though in prepping the aluminum and spraying all of that
clear we lost our tail in the labor to come up with the finish we
wanted. We vowed to try to paint the aluminum next time.
Next time came soon but in an unusual way. We ran a 75 Argosy 26' coach
through paint. It had been stripped to the aluminum so we shot etching
primer on it and based the coach silver with a black center band and rocker
panel. Again we used the high solids clear and the finish came out very
nice without all of the prep time. Take a look at the coaches on my web
site (www.gmccoop.com).
I realize painting the Airstream may be tough to swallow for some and I am
not saying they are wrong but that Argosy looked bad in its "Hush Puppy"
brown and in that it had the same recognizable shape as an Airstream, the
finished coach really looks sharp. I found it easier to fix problems,
prep, base and clear to get a nice finish than going through the re clear
process without paint.
An opinion from someone new to the Airstream family. Call me crazy, did I
do something wrong?
Jim Bounds
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Message Number: 37
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 01:15:38 -0700
From: James Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting an Airstream
I think they both look great... The painted trailer makes a lot of good
sense to me...( strictly a personal opinion)
Jim
At 01:30 AM 10/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Sorry, I don't get the chance to get over to this list very often and I
>may have come in on this thread somewhere in between but I thought I could
>add something here.
>
>I the shop, we keep an open mind on many things and always look for better
>ways and more efficient systems. Since I have posted here, we stripped
>and cleared a 35' Airstream motorhome. We did not use the usual clear
>that has been used in the past, we shot a "high solids clear" product,
>used 9 gallons before mixing. We lost count of the # of coats, the finish
>would blind you. The customer (what a sport for letting us try this
>process) was overwhelmed with the outcome.
>
>I will tell you though in prepping the aluminum and spraying all of that
>clear we lost our tail in the labor to come up with the finish we
>wanted. We vowed to try to paint the aluminum next time.
>
>Next time came soon but in an unusual way. We ran a 75 Argosy 26' coach
>through paint. It had been stripped to the aluminum so we shot etching
>primer on it and based the coach silver with a black center band and
>rocker panel. Again we used the high solids clear and the finish came out
>very nice without all of the prep time. Take a look at the coaches on my
>web site (www.gmccoop.com).
>
>I realize painting the Airstream may be tough to swallow for some and I am
>not saying they are wrong but that Argosy looked bad in its "Hush Puppy"
>brown and in that it had the same recognizable shape as an Airstream, the
>finished coach really looks sharp. I found it easier to fix problems,
>prep, base and clear to get a nice finish than going through the re clear
>process without paint.
>
>An opinion from someone new to the Airstream family. Call me crazy, did I
>do something wrong?
>
>Jim Bounds
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Message Number: 38
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:29:10 -0400
From: corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Corbin C Bates)
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
Marc,
Here is my two cents worth on using a Dodge Dart. Don't try using a Dodge Dart it isn't big enough, I should know I had a four door 72 Dart. The body on the Dodge Darts are unabodies and would not have the strength to pull an Excella. Beside the 360ci v8
One last note about the Darts if you could find a Dodge Dart in good condition you would be hard pressed to find any one that would be willing to put a class 3 hitch on it. That even if you could find a hitch for it.
Corbin
Have trailer will travel...
Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>
>> In my mind's eye all I can see is the rear of the now lowered Dodge Dart on
>> the ground with the steering tires in the air. Sort of like an "air guitar"
>> but in this case it would be steering tires that didn't go left or right,
>> the "air guitar" makes no sound either. ;)
>
>I got a good chuckle from this. Guess I should heed this deluge of NO!
>DON'T TRY IT on the slant-6 question. I was aware it was a mismatch, but
>for example, what if this were a 318 or a 360 ci Dodge Dart? Same chassis,
>but more pulling power. I just needed to know if I could get it across
>Tucson with it. Maybe not, huh?
>
>MB
>
>
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Message Number: 39
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:29:39 -0400
From: "Sanderson Sandy" <swsandy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: New Airstream Dealer in NJ
Just a word to all. There's a new Airstream Dealer in New Jersey. They are :
Colonial Airstream
1121 Rt.88
Lakewood, NJ 08701
(732)367-4499
www.colonialairstream.com
Walt Sandy
S. W. Sandy
WBCCI # 4159 & VAC
Region 2 VAC Representative
1960 17' Pacer
1970 27' Overlander
'99 Ford SD F250, V10
South West New Jersey
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Message Number: 40
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:24:56 -0400
From: HMUSE@xxxxxxxxxx.COM
Subject: Re: tow vehicle Dodge Dart? Seriously?
I don't think so!!!
Harley C. Muse
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Message Number: 41
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:30:31 -0700
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Vintage Tow Vehicle
Marc,
I was also interested in having a vintage tow vehicle or at least a vintage
looking tow vehicle. I ended up purchasing an Ex Air Force 87 3/4 ton
Suburban with 22,000 miles and no rust. This vehicle has the 6.2 liter
diesel engine which I have since found out doesn't really have enough umph
to pull our 59 Ambassador up the hills here in upstate NY let alone the
Rockies. It does however pull very well on the flats. As this body style
came out in the early 70's I was comfortable with the perceived "vintage
look". I have recently installed a new Banks "Sidewinder" Turbo which has
completely transformed the vehicle. It now has similar hp and torque outputs
to current offerings, the great fuel economy got even better and the engine
now runs cooler. This model was built up until 92 so parts are readily
available. Originally I was looking (like many on the list, I suspect) for a
60's Travellall or something along those lines. These vehicles have long
since rusted away in this neck of the woods. More than likely it would have
required a complete rebuild to be reliable or have the body dropped onto a
modern chassis/drive line. This would have looked great however also would
have taken up a ton of money & time. Although I had to compromise a bit,
the trailer and tow vehicle do look great together and I can go anywhere
without any worries.
Just my two cents worth,
Colin Hyde
57 Sovereign of the Road
59 Ambassador International
One other question, with regards to tow vehicles. I want to purchase an
> older vehicle for sometime-use with my Excella but most-time use as a
> non-tow vehicle. I was a good compromise between power and economy (when
> not pulling the Airstream). Maybe 15-20 mpg without the load. I have a
> fondness for older vehicles (60's/70's). It doesn't matter if it's a car
or
> a truck, if it is a good compromise (as stated above).
>
> What do you people know of which meets this description?
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Message Number: 42
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:39:10 -0500
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <kallen@xxxxxxxxxx.k12.il.us>
Subject: Re: another tow vehicle question
Greetings Amanda!
I don't think that you will have much worry about towing capacity with a C20
Chevrolet pickup with the 402 c.i. big block. My family purchased a 1969
Chevrolet C20 pickup for towing a 5,000 pound travel trailer new in '69. It
was a 350 c.i. with automatic and all of the heavy duty pieces. It averaged
10 to 12 MPG solo and about 9 MPG solo so you will appreciate the auxiliary
fuel tanks as the standard fuel tank only had a range of about 175 miles
when towing. You might realize a modest improvement in fuel economy with
the addition of a cab-height topper - - that addition added about 3 mpg solo
and 2 mpg towing on my 1995 Chevrolet K1500.
My main concern in today's environment would be with the valve train. I
would want to be certain that the heads are fitted with the special hardened
valve seats to prevent rescission that can be caused by pre-ignition using
even today's premium grade fuels. It is possible that the heads may have
come from the factory so equipped as I believe 1971 was the first year that
GM passenger cars had the hardened valve seats - - I am not sure when this
transition may have occurred with the trucks. I tried towing with my 1965
Dodge in the late 1970s, and ended up having a very expensive valve job
including installation of hardened valve seats due to burned valves and
rescission caused by the motor's incompatibility with unleaded fuels. The
retrofit and valve job on my 1965 Dodge back in 1979 ran almost $1,200.00.
Good luck with your decision!
Kevin Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Convertible (Towcar in Training)
----- Original Message -----
From: goldens510earthlinknet <goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:55 PM
Subject: [VAC] another tow vehicle question
> Hi, All,
>
> All this talk about Dodge Darts (which I love, incidentally) has made me
> want to ask you about my tow vehicle of choice for my 22' Safari... A
> little
> late since I already told the guy I was going to buy it, but I could still
> back out if I hear a similar chorus of noes. This is a 1971 Chevy
> Cheyenne C20, 3/4 ton, 402 big block V8 engine, 4 spd. It has three
> gas tanks...I think that's a sign the gas mileage is atrocious... ;-)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Amanda
> '68 Safari
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Message Number: 43
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joel Wilcox <jdubikins@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: An adequate tow vehicle
What do you consider minimum performance
considerations in the tow vehicle?
I now own my parents' '66 Overlander. They used a
Dodge Polara, a Mercury Marquis, an Olds 98, and most
recently a GMC Vandura 2500 with 350ci motor, which I
now also own. Of the cars, they considered the
Mercury the best (the Dodge might have been OK as a
tow but had other problems) until they got the GMC
van. Their criteria of a good tow vehicle was its
ability to make it over a mountain pass without
over-heating or threatening to.
I suppose there must be other more exacting criteria.
The GMC van is not a fast tow, either in acceleration
or in terms of comfort at higher speeds on the road.
I don't really enjoy pulling the Overlander at much
more than 55 MPH. I do think there is an advantage
while towing in being a little higher in the air as
one is in a van.
Over all, I'm pretty satisfied. Should I be?
Joel
=====
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Joel Wilcox
1966 Overlander
Tow: 1987 GMC Vandura 2500
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Message Number: 44
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:01:04 -0500
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <kallen@xxxxxxxxxx.k12.il.us>
Subject: Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
Greetings Marc!
Finding a vehicle in the 1960s - 1970s era that would meet your towing
expectations as well as your economy expectations will be impossible or
nearly impossible. Even today, you would be hard pressed to find a modern
tow vehicle (other than a diesel) that would meet your economy expectations.
I have towed with a variety of vehicles in the era that you have inquired
about with the following statistics:
1965 Dodge Coronet, 383 c.i. V8, 3.73 gears, automatic - - solo 12 to 15 MPG
towing, 9 to 12 MPG. (4,000 pound travel trailer) <4,000 pound trailer tow
rating>
1969 Chevrolet C20 pickup, 350 c.i., 4.10 gears, automatic - - solo 9 to 12
MPG, towing 8 to 20 MPG. (5,000 pound travel trailer) <6,000 pound trailer
tow rating>
1971 Buick Sportwagon, 350 c.i., 3.23 gears, automatic - - solo 11 to 15
MPG, towing 8 to 13 MPG. (4,000 pound travel trailer) <5,000 pound trailer
tow rating>
1975 Pontiac Granville Brougham Convertible, 455 c.i., 3.23 gears,
automatic - - solo 9 to 12 MPG, towing 8 to 11 MPG. (4,000 pound travel
trailer) <6,000 pound trailer tow rating>
This is my guess for my current vintage tow vehicle project:
1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible, 501 c.i., automatic, 3.13 final
drive, - - solo 8 to 11 MPG <known>; probable towing 7 to 9 MPG <estimated>
(3,500 pound Travel Trailer) <6,000 pound trailer tow rating - - I believe
this rating to be overly optimistic>
My biggest concern with a pre 1970s era vehicle as a tow vehicle would be
compatibility issues with unleaded fuels. Prior to 1970 or 1971, most
automobiles did not have the hardened valve seats that are necessary to
prevent rescission of seats and burned valves. I know that this was a
problem with my 1965 Dodge in 1979, and the solution was a hardened valve
seat retrofit and valve job at a price of $1,200.00. Valve rescission
wouldn't necessarily be a problem in a pre-1970s vehicle if not used for
towing, but when used for towing the added stress on the motor is more
likely to produce a problem.
Good luck in your quest for the perfect tow vehicle.
Kevin Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Convertible (Towcar in Training)
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Bossiere <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:45 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: "air guitar" Seriously?
> One other question, with regards to tow vehicles. I want to purchase an
> older vehicle for sometime-use with my Excella but most-time use as a
> non-tow vehicle. I was a good compromise between power and economy (when
> not pulling the Airstream). Maybe 15-20 mpg without the load. I have a
> fondness for older vehicles (60's/70's). It doesn't matter if it's a car
or
> a truck, if it is a good compromise (as stated above).
>
> What do you people know of which meets this description?
>
> I currently have an '86 1 ton E350 (with a 351ci block) which is great for
> the towing but a killer to use otherwise.
>
> Marc Bossiere
> 31' Excella (1978)
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Message Number: 45
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:33:35 -0400
From: corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Corbin C Bates)
Subject: Re: An adequate tow vehicle
Joe,
One has to remember the object of towing is not how fast you can go, but how well it can get you there in one piece. The only thing you have to rember is does the tow vehicle have enough torque & horse power and is the chassis / running gear rated for wha
Corbin
Have trailer will travel...
Joel Wilcox <jdubikins@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>What do you consider minimum performance
>considerations in the tow vehicle?
>
>I now own my parents' '66 Overlander. They used a
>Dodge Polara, a Mercury Marquis, an Olds 98, and most
>recently a GMC Vandura 2500 with 350ci motor, which I
>now also own. Of the cars, they considered the
>Mercury the best (the Dodge might have been OK as a
>tow but had other problems) until they got the GMC
>van. Their criteria of a good tow vehicle was its
>ability to make it over a mountain pass without
>over-heating or threatening to.
>
>I suppose there must be other more exacting criteria.
>The GMC van is not a fast tow, either in acceleration
>or in terms of comfort at higher speeds on the road.
>I don't really enjoy pulling the Overlander at much
>more than 55 MPH. I do think there is an advantage
>while towing in being a little higher in the air as
>one is in a van.
>
>Over all, I'm pretty satisfied. Should I be?
>
>Joel
>
>=====
>******
>Joel Wilcox
>1966 Overlander
>Tow: 1987 GMC Vandura 2500
>
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Message Number: 46
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:00:50 -0700
From: "Dave Huffman" <huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Retractable Step
Message Number: 14
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:56:02 -0600
From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Retractable Step
...how do you vintage owners keep
the retractable step in the UP position? Ours extends every time we hit
a sharp bump. There appears to be a small metal tab for this purpose but
it is very stiff and not close enough to the step lip to grab it.
Probably shouldn't have oiled all things moveable when we bought the
trailer. Thanks, Rob & Shari Davis '64 GlobeTrotter
----------------------------------------
I don't have the exact answer to your question but the retractable step was
the first thing that went bad on our '67 Caravel. It was stiff, I had
greased it, and it just broke at a rusty area. A local shop welded it and
now no problems.
Over all, oiling/greasing all things moveable on a trailer seems the
right approach.
Huff
------------------------------
Message Number: 47
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:08:10 -0600
From: "Paige Rike" <paige@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Tip for laying vinyl tile
Hi Gang,
My name is Paige Rike, and I'm new to the group. My husband and I
bought a 1965 Globetrotter last month, and since it's our first we're on
a steep learning curve. While I know very little about Airstreams as of
today, I have used Armstrong and Mannington commercial vinyl tiles in 3
different kitchens. The tiles are great looking, sturdy, and really
inexpensive. The only problem I have found is this: if *any* particle
gets under the tiles as they are installed, over time it will crack the
tile. The installers of our first tile floor used a new dustpan broom
with soft bristles to try to get all the debris off as they went. I'd
say we went without cracks for the first 5-6 years, and now we've got a
few. It's worth the trouble to try and get the plywood as clear as you
can.
I hope that helps.
Paige
'65 Globetrotter
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Message Number: 48
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:26:10 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Tip for laying vinyl tile
Whenever floor tile is installed directly to the plywood floor an any
Airstream trailer, a word or two of caution for your long term enjoyment of
the floor.
DO NOT install one piece linoleum over the floor seams. In time, it will
crack at every plywood seam. Same applies to floor tile. Seam it at the floor
seams, if not, they too will crack at the plywood seams.
The floor seams move ever so slightly. In doing so, the floor coverings will
crack at those seams.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 49
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:51:28 -0000
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: An adequate tow vehicle
An excellent way to tell if a vehicle will be adequate towing your trailer
is:
Know your trailer's loaded weight.
Compare it to maximum towing weight set by the vehicle's manufacturer given
its engine, transmission, AND gear ratio. Other things are minor and can be
added, but these three are paramount.
Scott
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Message Number: 50
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:32:24 -0600
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vintage Tow Vehicle
on 10/03/02 10:30 AM, chyde at chyde@primelink1.net wrote:
> I ended up purchasing an Ex Air Force 87 3/4 ton Suburban with 22,000 miles
> and no rust. This vehicle has the 6.2 liter diesel engine .....
Hi Colin,
Congrats on the tow vehicle. As you know, I have one too.
Also, I have "The 6.2 Liter Diesel Engine" manual (1 inch thick) published
by GM (Product Service Training). There is only one differentiating number
on it (16015.05-1C) and no name of a publishing house. It was published in
1984.
If you're into this sort of publication, I'm sure there's a used copy around
someplace.
FYI
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 51
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:25:52 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: tow vehicle teardrops
An aluminum teardrop trailer would be a fine match for your Dart. Any
attempt to pull your 31' Excella will result in real teardrops
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Bossiere" <mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:40 PM
Subject: [VAC] tow vehicle
> I have a 31' Excella which is stored in Arizona, which I haven't towed
yet.
> I also have a 1968 Dodge Dart (225ci slant-6 motor) out there which I
could
> put a receiver on. Can I get opinions about what kind of experience I
would
> have pulling the Excella with it? Would it be within the range to get
away
> with pulling the stock Excella? If the consensus is "no", I'd like to
know
> what kind of conditions I COULD use the slant-6 to pull it under?
>
> Marc Bossiere
> Reston, Virginia
>
> mbossiere@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Message Number: 52
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:36:10 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
No judgement here. I see a lot of old Airstreams with owners who don't have
the strength to polish even once a year. Wouldn't it be a hoot if brightly
painted Airstreams became the new "jelly bean fleet". It worked for Virgin
Airlines!
Besides the more coaches that are destroyed by paint, the more valuable my
good old aluminum Safari becomes :)
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: <Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting of an Airstream
> Who is judging who?
>
> Now you have stated "VERY LOAD AND CLEAR" why many "very nice" vintage as
> well as non-vintage Airstream owners want nothing to do with WBCCI and/or
> VAC.
>
> Enjoy your sarcasm's fellows, but all you really do is further reduce the
> number of club members, as well as drive off potential new members.
>
> How crude!!!
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
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Message Number: 53
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:51:27 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: "air guitars" & puller rentals
> Have you
> considered renting a pickup for those "sometime-use" trips you referred
to?
> A lot of the rental places are doing that now. Then you can hang onto
that
> Dart, which, BTW, has a following and might be worth keeping.
> Randy
I think it would be a great idea if someone kept an on-line list by state,
of rental places that can supply a PU or Van equipped to tow trailers /
Airstreams What about the 7 pin connector? Aren't vintage Airstreams wired
differently from newer vans/trailers? If so, maybe an adapter could be made
to crossover the wires for Airstreams.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 54
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:01:52 -0500
From: "D. Reilly" <dmr@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
A lot of old Airstreams won't polish up very well. On one of mine, someone
has already used sand paper to "clean" it. Since I haven't polished it yet,
I don't know how bad the damage really is (or isn't) The other had
corrosion that wouldn't all come out when I did polish it.
Painting may be the best solution for some Airstreams.
David Reilly
Madison, Miss.
1953 Overlander
1963 Overlander
1991 Excella 1000 34'
>Wouldn't it be a hoot if brightly
> painted Airstreams became the new "jelly bean fleet". It worked for
Virgin
> Airlines!
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Message Number: 55
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 14:01:01 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: "air guitars" & puller rentals
By now the vintage airstreams should have been converted to the modern
connector standard so they can be pulled by any standard (and capble)
puller. Its not a major task.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 56
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:03:31 -0700
From: "Dave Huffman" <huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
Last summer I posted a note regarding updating the antiquated Utility System
on our '67 Caravel. I got only one or two responses, which made me wonder
1) is everyone content to be 'vintage' and reach under the trailer to get at
the water hose and power cable? 2) most Streamers are out on the road?
So I'll try again. We're planning a trip soon and I had enough of knee
bending and squatting to get at the
Hole-in-the-Floor-of-the-Utility-Compartment approach to trailer utility
hook-ups. As I looked around the campgrounds I saw no one else hooking up
from a hole in the bottom of their trailer!
I don't want to cut into my vintage utility door, so I got a new one
which I won't feel guilty cutting into for utility access.
I looked at current trailer utility access at a local RV center and I was
shown small PVC type boxes which have sliding or opening covers over the
utility outlet. Seems a good idea vs. the capped male plug I was planning
to mount to the outside of the door for water.
For electricity the simple thing would be to get an outdoor receptacle
from an electric supply and just mount that so I can plug in the power cable
from outside. But that plastic box holding a 6-10' power cable with a cover
seems one better.
I hoped to get some help from Airstream. Although I got a quick reply,
it seems to me they are "vintage" in their approach also: "Dear sir, I would
add a quick disconnect to the water supply with a short pc of hose that
will hang out at bottom of pvc pipe and put a pigtail on the electric as
well that you can hook up to with out feeding the cable through the pipe.
Other than this you will have to use your imagination to come up with a
easier more accessible solution."
BTW I have asked what others do to prevent critters from crawling up
into the utility pipe when it's open. In spite of a light steel wool
stuffing I found a dessicated frog in the area when I inspected it last
month.
Huff
'67 Caravel
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Message Number: 57
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:03:39 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: "air guitars" & puller rentals
I have a cable that has the "old" round connectors on one end, and the
"modern" flat connectors on the other end.
Dave
At 02:01 PM 10/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>By now the vintage airstreams should have been converted to the modern
>connector standard so they can be pulled by any standard (and capble)
>puller. Its not a major task.
>
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
------------------------------
Message Number: 58
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:31:29 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
Hi Dave,
Of course you are looking around the campground and seeing non-airstream
units. You'll note that they pay a price for the added height to get the
utilities out of the bumper hatch. Including some of the newer Airstreams.
My '69 Safari has the trap door arrangement for both the black water hose
and the electric. The shore water is outside the bumper hatch. My '74
Argosy has the sewer connection outside the bumper hatch with it's own set
of problems. All in all, I think the low towing height, streamlined
appearance, and other aesthetics make up for the poor hookup problems.
It's not really that big a deal, is it? No other travel trailer in the
campground looks as neat as yours! :)
Regards, '69 Safari, Joy
------------------------------
Message Number: 59
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:30:03 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
I have plans and parts, but no schedule for completion. I also don't
like the mouse access given by the hose and electric cord. Mice have
pretty much destroyed my SOB sitting next to the barn with the power
cable plugged in all the time, even with that power cord going through a
cover up on the side wall of the trailer. The mice may have gotten in
other ways though its belly from the tires and axles and by climbing
weeds and brush around it.
Any way, the electric power inlet needs to be a recessed PLUG, not a
receptacle so the end of the power cord doesn't have exposed live pins.
What I've bought is a 30 amp 120 volt twist lock recessed male plug. Its
made of plastic except for the power parts. I bought that from
McMaster-Carr last spring. I found a plastic box and a cover to hold out
the rain while not connected at Lowe's or Home Depot. I found the female
twist lock for the power cord at my local electronic supply (in the back
room amongst surplus being parted out) though all the above sources have
them for a price. Someone has made a hole just above the access hatch
for the power equipment on the left side and then covered it with a
square patch screwed on. I'll make use of that space.
Putting the connection in the utility door, means that the wiring (and
plumbing) inside going to the service panel (and pressure
regulator/filter) need to be flexible so one can open the door to
retrieve the power cord (and hose) for use and return them for travel.
Other brands and likely modern Airstreams use a standard set of parts
for the water inlet that is mouse tight, though I see some that use a
plastic flexible grommet around the power cord that is flexible to pass
the 30 amp plug, and any mouse brave enough to climb the power cord. I
figure the only way to slow the mice is to make the water (which I've
never used) and electric power connections solid bulkheads impenetrable
except by a great deal of chewing.
When maintaining farm electrical equipment that is prone to be chewed by
mice (who don't die from ventricular fibrillation when shocked), I have
found that Duxseal, a tough waxy compound used for sealing wiring
conduits from moisture and gasoline fumes stops the mice. They leave
tooth marks but they don't chew through it.
Gerald
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Message Number: 60
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:17:48 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Updating to External Utility Connections
Hoo Hah,
You must have some awful wimpy meeses in the country, our city mice knosh on
duxseal like it was taffy. We have to fill the conduits with bronze or
stainless steel wool, then plug with duxseal. Of course maybe the mice like
the fiber optic cable in our cabinets more than what you got in your farm
equipment?
By the way, planning on trying the stainless steel wool this year on the
trailers. Let you know in the spring if it works.
"Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" wrote:
<snip> I have found that Duxseal, a tough waxy compound used for sealing
wiring conduits from moisture and gasoline fumes stops the mice. They leave
tooth marks but they don't chew through it.
Matt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 61
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:30:59 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: "air guitars" & puller rentals
Dave,
That is exactly what I did, built my own adapter. Then I realized the best
approach for me was to rewire the trailer plug to "Standard" seven blade in
the event my tow vehicle ever breaks down and somebody else has to tow my
trailer. Better chance that a newer truck will have blade type. I only did
this because my round style was shot, otherwise the adapters work fine. I
also carry the seven-to-four adapter just in case somebody offers to help
that is wired for a boat only.
Randy
> I have a cable that has the "old" round connectors on one end, and the
> "modern" flat connectors on the other end.
>
> Dave
------------------------------
Message Number: 62
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:24:51 EDT
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Tire ware.
Today I was under my trailer and found all 4 tires cupped. I would judge from
the looks that there is excessive tow in. or it may be posable one or more of
the axle arms are bent slightly.Has any one else had that problem and what
was the cure?
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind (The Silver Abaltross)
------------------------------
Message Number: 63
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:29:01 -0700
From: William Jacobs <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vintage Tow Vehicle
This kind of information is sold by "Helm." It is expensive. A service
manual can cost $90.00. I have found it pays for itself the first time
you use it.
Look at
http://www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?Style=&Mfg=GMC&Make=GMC&Model=GRV&Year=&Category=&Keyword=&mscsid=B9JMK6RVBJXQ8MLRT36VV8AM46HHAQU3
bill 76 25 ft Trade Wind in WV
Terry Tyler wrote:
>
> on 10/03/02 10:30 AM, chyde at chyde@primelink1.net wrote:
>
> > I ended up purchasing an Ex Air Force 87 3/4 ton Suburban with 22,000 miles
> > and no rust. This vehicle has the 6.2 liter diesel engine .....
>
> Hi Colin,
>
> Congrats on the tow vehicle. As you know, I have one too.
>
> Also, I have "The 6.2 Liter Diesel Engine" manual (1 inch thick) published
> by GM (Product Service Training). There is only one differentiating number
> on it (16015.05-1C) and no name of a publishing house. It was published in
> 1984.
>
> If you're into this sort of publication, I'm sure there's a used copy around
> someplace.
>
> FYI
>
> Terry
> mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
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Message Number: 64
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:51:27 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Tire ware.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Jim,
Classic unbalanced tires and/or bad shocks. You could have bad axle
alignment but not likely to cause cupping, but rather uneven wear.
Cupping, or wear from the inside is usually cause from bouncing.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: [VAC] Tire ware.
Today I was under my trailer and found all 4 tires cupped. I would
judge from the looks that there is excessive tow in. or it may be
posable one or more of the axle arms are bent slightly.Has any one else
had that problem and what was the cure?
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind (The Silver Abaltross)
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