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Today's Topics:
1. Re: DC Plugs
2. Re: water pump again
3. Armstrong Excelon Tile?
4. Re: water pump question
5. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
6. Painting an Airstream
7. Re: water pump again
8. plain text
9. e: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
10. Re: Hot Water Heater question
11. Re: water pump again
12. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
13. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
14. Retractable Step
15. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
16. Re:
17. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
18. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
19. Re: DC Plugs
20. Re: DC Plugs
21. Re: DC Plugs
22. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
23. Re: DC Plugs
24. Re:
25. Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
26. Re: water pump question
27. Re: ot water heaters.
28. Bowen water heater hinge
29. My tile tale!
30. Re: My tile tale!
31. Re: My tile tale!
32. Re: Painting of an Airstream
33. Re: DC Plugs
34. Re: Painting of an Airstream
35. Re: DC Plugs
36. Re: DC Plugs
37. Re: Vent covers
38. Re: Painting of an Airstream
39. Re: Painting of an Airstream
40. Re:
41. Re: Painting of an Airstream
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:09:20 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
Bob,
Try cleaning the socket out with a small wire brush, and rotating the TV/DVD
plug when you put it in. It's probably just a bad ground.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:34:59 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
I think there is a built in air gap for lack of a better word, in the hot
water tank itself. This built in air gap would allow for the expansion of
water when it gets hot. Most likely this air gap at the top of an installed
tank would not have any elements in the area to worry about. This is just
so much 'hot air' in that space. ;)
Tom - who thinks he has solved the problems of the world for today anyway.
> Roger wrote:
>
> > A "cushion" in a hot water heater only affects what's
> > downstream from that, i.e. hot water only.
>
> This doesn't make sense to me unless the water heater is equipped with a
> backflow preventer. It seems to me an air cushion anywhere would
pressurize
> the whole system but if it is in or beyond the water heater it might push
> hot water back into the cold water lines when a cold water faucet is
opened.
> Can someone clarify this?
>
> Dick
> '62 Bambi
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:40:48 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
Whilst wandering around Home Depot today, I noticed a large display of
Armstrong Excelon "Commercial Grade" vinyl floor tile.
It comes in over 70 colors (see:
http://armstrong.com/commflooringna/product_details_toolbox_thumbnails.jsp?item_id=381
). Home Depot carries about 12 of them in stock, but will special order any
of the colors for no additional cost. The price was around $25 for a carton
of 48 12" x 12" tiles.
These are fairly heavy, solid vinyl tiles. You have to use adhesive to
install them.
Has anyone used these tiles?
Pros & cons?
Installations considerations? Since our trailer currently has a
"commercial" grade carpet glued down, I figure I will have to belt sand the
floor smooth. How sensitive are tiles like these to any variances or
unevenness of the floor? If I have to fill any areas in, what should I use?
I WAS considering using Pergot, but we saw a "Lemon Yellow" tile that is
almost a dead on match with the yellow carpeting that our trailer
originally had. The tile would be significantly less expensive than Pergot.
Any comments, experiences and suggestions are welcome.
Thanks!
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:00:20 -0600
From: "Pete Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: water pump question
Jon,
I think you hit the nail on the head. The pressure is not overly high, but
all of the 12V lights and appliances are significantly affected when the
pump is running. The water flow does not pulse like the electricity does.
I haven't put a gage on the pump to see the current draw, but it must be
significant. Wanted to know if it was normal or if I possibly had an
electrical problem. From the sounds of the feedback, I have some sort of
problem. Thanks all for the feedback and ideas. I'll probably look for an
overhaul kit and start from there.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net]On Behalf Of
jon fitz
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:44 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: water pump question
If I understand the question rightly, the concern is
that there is a noticeable pulsing of the 12VDC supply
while the pump is running. Presumably this provides a
lighting effect that is well-suited to a disco, but
little else. If I'm wrong, please ignore the rest of
this message.
The amount of current drawn by the pump motor will
increase as a result of higher resistance or lower
speed (generally related to resistance, as well). I
have a rebuilt PAR in my 68. It draws some juice, but
I haven't noticed much effect on other 12V devices.
If your unit has an amp gage, you could use it to
quantify the variations. If the variations are only
perceptible at the amp gage, don't worry. The pump
cycle is not uniform, so the current draw will vary
during it. I think the draw is somewhere around 5
amps (been awhile).
I would guess that there is a problem with the pump.
You could have a pressure switch that is set too high,
is damaged or is blocked. Or, there could be
mechanical trouble that is causing high friction.
Both are relatively easy to check and repair. Put a
pressure gage on the system. Turn the pump by hand
(after turning the switch off!) to gage resistance.
Put a little oil on the bearings if in doubt.
Repairs are generally not too expensive on this unit.
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:05:56 -0600
From: "Maxwell" <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
Armstrong Excelon Tiles are the accepted alternate to the vinyl asbestos
tiles that were original in the 60's Airstreams. The main differences are
they don't have aesbestos (that's a good thing) and they are 12"x12" instead
of 9"x9". I use the Excelon product all the time for commercial interiors
projects and they would be well suited for an Airstream. They are very
durable & inexpensive. Some folks have actually cut them down to 9"x9" to
match the original VAT tiles. Here's a link to a webpage that did just
that: http://globetrotter64.home.att.net/project.html Regardless of whether
you cut them down or not, the suggested method for installation is to line
up the seams with the sections of plywood in your floor, so they won't crack
along those joints as the trailer expands, contracts,twists & turns as it
goes down the road. They can telegraph imperfections in the floor somewhat
but the floor doesn't have to be "perfectly smooth" as the mastic will fill
in some of the uneveness in the substrate, it's just sharply raised areas
(like pebbles or protruding nails) that will cause the biggest problems.
Shari Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter - "Maxwell"
WBCCI #1824, VAC
www.insideout-design.net/maxwell
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:39:13 EDT
From: ThreePeaksRanch@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Painting an Airstream
OK...I guess I'm more of a purest re:painting vs non-painting...polishing is
part of Airstream ownership....but painting them makes them a Painted
Airstream....both fine, but then again...it's like "vintage" vs
"classic"....it's a matter of opinion:). Best,
W
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:42:07 -0400
From: Howard Lefkowitz <wa3vez@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again
The air gap is absolutely necessary and prevents water from seeping from the
"over pressure" expansion valve. You get an air gap by closing the drain
valve and the expansion valve and simply filling the hot water tank using
the water pump.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:34 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: water pump again
> I think there is a built in air gap for lack of a better word, in the hot
> water tank itself. This built in air gap would allow for the expansion of
> water when it gets hot. Most likely this air gap at the top of an
installed
> tank would not have any elements in the area to worry about. This is just
> so much 'hot air' in that space. ;)
>
> Tom - who thinks he has solved the problems of the world for today anyway.
>
> > Roger wrote:
> >
> > > A "cushion" in a hot water heater only affects what's
> > > downstream from that, i.e. hot water only.
> >
> > This doesn't make sense to me unless the water heater is equipped with a
> > backflow preventer. It seems to me an air cushion anywhere would
> pressurize
> > the whole system but if it is in or beyond the water heater it might
push
> > hot water back into the cold water lines when a cold water faucet is
> opened.
> > Can someone clarify this?
> >
> > Dick
> > '62 Bambi
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:40:34 -0000
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: plain text
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Thank You,
Monitor Scott
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:12:08 -0600
From: "Maxwell" <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
Subject: e: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maxwell" <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
To: <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [VAC] Armstrong Excelon Tile?
> Armstrong Excelon Tiles are the accepted alternate to the vinyl asbestos
> tiles that were original in the 60's Airstreams. The main differences are
> they don't have aesbestos (that's a good thing) and they are 12"x12"
instead
> of 9"x9". I use the Excelon product all the time for commercial interiors
> projects and they would be well suited for an Airstream. They are very
> durable & inexpensive. Some folks have actually cut them down to 9"x9" to
> match the original VAT tiles. Here's a link to a webpage that did just
> that: http://globetrotter64.home.att.net/project.html Regardless of
whether
> you cut them down or not, the suggested method for installation is to line
> up the seams with the sections of plywood in your floor, so they won't
crack
> along those joints as the trailer expands, contracts,twists & turns as it
> goes down the road. They can telegraph imperfections in the floor
somewhat
> but the floor doesn't have to be "perfectly smooth" as the mastic will
fill
> in some of the uneveness in the substrate, it's just sharply raised areas
> (like pebbles or protruding nails) that will cause the biggest problems.
>
> Shari Davis
> '64 GlobeTrotter - "Maxwell"
> WBCCI #1824, VAC
> www.insideout-design.net/maxwell
>
>
> > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
> >
> > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text
> >
> >
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:11:19 -0500
From: buddy <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
......I can light the pilot but it won't stay on. Any thoughts
I'd suggest trying to adjust the air/gas mixture. If that doesn't solve the
problem, you may have a spider web inside the fuel tube between the air/fuel
mixture and the burner area. Thos doggone spiders can really screw up the
fuel/air mixture and the only way I've been able to remove the web is to
remove that tube and use a brush in it. Good Luck.
Buddy Atwood
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:48:16 -0700
From: Bill Worden <fantods@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
Another thought on power pulse problem: It may be that the supply of
electrical energy is being limited by a poor connection somewhere so that
the pump is using up all the available power. The pump may be OK, but just
hungry. :)
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:13:03 -0600
From: "Terry O'Neill" <woodfloor@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
The Excelon are VCT (vinyl composition tile) used extensively in commercial
applications. The preparation of the subfloor is critical as any
imperfections will show through. Joints in the subfloor must be solid and
filled. If the plywood joints move the tile will eventually crack. These
tiles will require waxing to seal the surface.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Lowrey"
Subject: [VAC] Armstrong Excelon Tile?
> Whilst wandering around Home Depot today, I noticed a large display of
> Armstrong Excelon "Commercial Grade" vinyl floor tile.
>
> It comes in over 70 colors (see:
>
http://armstrong.com/commflooringna/product_details_toolbox_thumbnails.jsp?i
tem_id=381
> ). Home Depot carries about 12 of them in stock, but will special order
any
> of the colors for no additional cost. The price was around $25 for a
carton
> of 48 12" x 12" tiles.
>
> These are fairly heavy, solid vinyl tiles. You have to use adhesive to
> install them.
>
> Has anyone used these tiles?
>
> Pros & cons?
>
> Installations considerations? Since our trailer currently has a
> "commercial" grade carpet glued down, I figure I will have to belt sand
the
> floor smooth. How sensitive are tiles like these to any variances or
> unevenness of the floor? If I have to fill any areas in, what should I
use?
------------------------------
Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:30:41 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
> I WAS considering using Pergot, but we saw a "Lemon Yellow" tile that is
> almost a dead on match with the yellow carpeting that our trailer
> originally had. The tile would be significantly less expensive than
Pergot.
>
> Any comments, experiences and suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
If you go down to the plywood floor like we did you will *need to* seal the
plywood after you sand and smooth it out. Shellac is recommended to seal
the plywood and the floor we put down in 1988 is still in good shape today.
I have to think that the sealing Shellac is the reason.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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Message Number: 14
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:56:02 -0600
From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Retractable Step
I'm sure this has been asked before but how do you vintage owners keep
the retractable step in the UP position? Ours extends every time we hit
a sharp bump. There appears to be a small metal tab for this purpose but
it is very stiff and not close enough to the step lip to grab it.
Probably shouldn't have oiled all things moveable when we bought the
trailer.
Thanks,
Rob & Shari Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter
WBCCI #1824, VAC
www.insideout-design.net/maxwell
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:18:16 -0600
From: "Maxwell" <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
Armstrong Excelon Tiles are the accepted alternate to the vinyl asbestos
tiles that were original in the 60's Airstreams. The main differences are
they don't have aesbestos (that's a good thing) and they are 12"x12" instead
of 9"x9". I use the Excelon product all the time for commercial interiors
projects and they would be well suited for an Airstream. They are very
durable & inexpensive. Some folks have actually cut them down to 9"x9" to
match the original VAT tiles. Here's a link to a webpage that did just
that: http://globetrotter64.home.att.net/project.html Regardless of whether
you cut them down or not, the suggested method for installation is to line
up the seams with the sections of plywood in your floor, so they won't crack
along those joints as the trailer expands, contracts,twists & turns as it
goes down the road. They can telegraph imperfections in the floor somewhat
but the floor doesn't have to be "perfectly smooth" as the mastic will fill
in some of the uneveness in the substrate, it's just sharply raised areas
(like pebbles or protruding nails) that will cause the biggest problems.
Shari Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter - "Maxwell"
WBCCI #1824, VAC
www.insideout-design.net/maxwell
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Message Number: 16
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:12:42 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re:
Randy, I was not aware that the original equipment baby moon hubcaps were a
full wheel cover. The ones I was thinking were original were about 8-9
inches in diameter and fit on clips attached to the wheel. I believe beauty
rings (which fit the wheel diameter) were also used. I'm pretty sure I have
seen this arrangement on older trailers.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 18:17
Subject: [VAC] Re:
> ----- New Message -----
> From: gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Hub caps
>
> Greetings fellow airstreamers.
>
> I am looking for four of the original hub caps to fit my 1966 Overlander.
> If anyone has any for sale please contact me off list or if there is a
> source for new ones?
>
> GAS
>
> I have a '66 Overlander with the original hub caps with the blue ring
around
> the "moon" center, and no you can't have them. But, for the next best
thing,
> go to:
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14983&BQ=sc
>
> I bought a set for my Sovereign. They are very close to my original
> Overlander caps. I plan to paint the 'ring' a/s blue. This is as good deal
> as you'll probably find. 15" is the size..All 4 for about $100 delivered.
> Randy Unter
> '66 Overlander
> '73 Sovereign
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:49:51 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
The URL below didnt work.
I managed to find it in my "favorites" list, however:
http://home.att.net/~globetrotter64/project.htm
Dave
At 11:18 PM 10/1/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>. Here's a link to a webpage that did just
>that: http://globetrotter64.home.att.net/project.html
__________________________________________________________________________
Dave Lowrey | email: david_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Amdahl Corporation | Phone (513)-793-2322
Cincinnati, Ohio | FAX: (513)-793-2571
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Message Number: 18
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:52:56 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
Colin & Andy,
I have to admit that, while I dont think I would have my trailer painted,
the photo of the painted Airstream DOES look pretty good.
Guess you learn something new every day :-)
Dave
At 03:33 PM 10/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Dave,
>If you check out Inlands website in the projects section you can see one of
>his "painted Airstreams". It looks great and I'm sure it'll have similar
>maintenance pros and cons as modern cars. It may not be for all of us
>however it does look good.
>Colin Hyde
>57 Sovereign of the Road
>59 Ambassador International
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 19
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:57:52 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
There COULD be an incompatability....
I recently purchased a 12V adapter for my notebook computer. The "cigarette
lighter" plug had a little bag attached to it with a different collar that
holds the tip in. The note in the bag said that it's possible that he plug
might not work with older receptacles. In that case, you are supposed to
use the provided alternate collar. In my case, the plug worked just fine in
my '77 Airstream.
I suggest you take a voltmeter to the receptacle. If you get 12 Volts, then
your plug isnt "mating" correctly. If that is the case, you can buy new
receptacles ate Radio Shack.
Good luck!
Dave
At 04:28 PM 10/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently bought a Toshiba 9" TV/DVD combo that runs off DC as well as AC
>power. After purchasing it I plugged it into the cigarette lighter of my
>truck and it started up.
>
>Got back to the Airstream and plugged it into the cigarette lighter that
>came with the coach back in 66. I got no power. The old socket works when
>I plug in its original lighter, but not the TV/DVD. Does anyone know of
>compatibility problems betwee old lighter recepticles and newer DC plugs?
>
>Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
>66 Airstream Safari
>Mira Mar Mobile Park
>Oceanside, CA
>
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Message Number: 20
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:57:52 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
There COULD be an incompatability....
I recently purchased a 12V adapter for my notebook computer. The "cigarette
lighter" plug had a little bag attached to it with a different collar that
holds the tip in. The note in the bag said that it's possible that he plug
might not work with older receptacles. In that case, you are supposed to
use the provided alternate collar. In my case, the plug worked just fine in
my '77 Airstream.
I suggest you take a voltmeter to the receptacle. If you get 12 Volts, then
your plug isnt "mating" correctly. If that is the case, you can buy new
receptacles ate Radio Shack.
Good luck!
Dave
At 04:28 PM 10/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently bought a Toshiba 9" TV/DVD combo that runs off DC as well as AC
>power. After purchasing it I plugged it into the cigarette lighter of my
>truck and it started up.
>
>Got back to the Airstream and plugged it into the cigarette lighter that
>came with the coach back in 66. I got no power. The old socket works when
>I plug in its original lighter, but not the TV/DVD. Does anyone know of
>compatibility problems betwee old lighter recepticles and newer DC plugs?
>
>Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
>66 Airstream Safari
>Mira Mar Mobile Park
>Oceanside, CA
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:18:43 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
. If that is the case, you can buy new
> receptacles ate Radio Shack.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dave
Dave,
".. ate Radio Shack." ;) funny!
Last time I went to Radio Shack they told me that they were "out of the auto
business". That was a newer store but I believe that when they are out of
the 12vdc auto supplies (can you say CLEARANCE!) they truly WILL be out of
the 12 volt business.
Tom
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Message Number: 22
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:25:30 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
What a beautifu job!
Tom
Subject: [VAC] Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
> The URL below didnt work.
>
> I managed to find it in my "favorites" list, however:
> http://home.att.net/~globetrotter64/project.htm
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:18 PM 10/1/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >. Here's a link to a webpage that did just
> >that: http://globetrotter64.home.att.net/project.html
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Dave Lowrey | email: david_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Amdahl Corporation | Phone (513)-793-2322
> Cincinnati, Ohio | FAX: (513)-793-2571
>
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Message Number: 23
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:46:54 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
At 09:18 AM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>. If that is the case, you can buy new
> > receptacles ate Radio Shack.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Dave
>
>Dave,
>
>".. ate Radio Shack." ;) funny!
Typo... :-)
>Last time I went to Radio Shack they told me that they were "out of the auto
>business". That was a newer store but I believe that when they are out of
>the 12vdc auto supplies (can you say CLEARANCE!) they truly WILL be out of
>the 12 volt business.
In that case, I am sure an auto parts place, like Pep Boys or NAPA would
have them as well.
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 24
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:54:54 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re:
Jim,
The hubcaps that came on my trailer were a "full moon" with a lip. As
Randy said,
there was a blue ring painted about one inch in from the edge of the
lip. I have
a picture of the trailer when it was brought home from the dealership
and it shows
these hupcaps. I will most likely have mine rechromed beceause of some
rust. I will
tell you this, I like the "Baby Moon" with a trim ring better, but will
go back to
the originals after they are rechromed just to keep it original.
Paul Waddell
66 Overlander
70 23' LY single
James Greene wrote:
>
> Randy, I was not aware that the original equipment baby moon hubcaps were a
> full wheel cover. The ones I was thinking were original were about 8-9
> inches in diameter and fit on clips attached to the wheel. I believe beauty
> rings (which fit the wheel diameter) were also used. I'm pretty sure I have
> seen this arrangement on older trailers.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 18:17
> Subject: [VAC] Re:
>
> > ----- New Message -----
> > From: gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Hub caps
> >
> > Greetings fellow airstreamers.
> >
> > I am looking for four of the original hub caps to fit my 1966 Overlander.
> > If anyone has any for sale please contact me off list or if there is a
> > source for new ones?
> >
> > GAS
> >
> > I have a '66 Overlander with the original hub caps with the blue ring
> around
> > the "moon" center, and no you can't have them. But, for the next best
> thing,
> > go to:
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14983&BQ=sc
> >
> > I bought a set for my Sovereign. They are very close to my original
> > Overlander caps. I plan to paint the 'ring' a/s blue. This is as good deal
> > as you'll probably find. 15" is the size..All 4 for about $100 delivered.
> > Randy Unter
> > '66 Overlander
> > '73 Sovereign
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 25
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:58:36 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: Armstrong Excelon Tile?
David,
Have already order mine. Getting ready to start the install this week. I
had the
same problem with the "glued down" carpet. I would suggest not using a
belt sander.
I purchased a "floor scraper'. It has a four inch flat blade, almost
like a chisel.
This will scrape up with less dust. I have heard the original tile could
be asbestos,
so wear a mask.
Paul Waddell
"David W. Lowrey" wrote:
>
> Whilst wandering around Home Depot today, I noticed a large display of
> Armstrong Excelon "Commercial Grade" vinyl floor tile.
>
> It comes in over 70 colors (see:
> http://armstrong.com/commflooringna/product_details_toolbox_thumbnails.jsp?item_id=381
> ). Home Depot carries about 12 of them in stock, but will special order any
> of the colors for no additional cost. The price was around $25 for a carton
> of 48 12" x 12" tiles.
>
> These are fairly heavy, solid vinyl tiles. You have to use adhesive to
> install them.
>
> Has anyone used these tiles?
>
> Pros & cons?
>
> Installations considerations? Since our trailer currently has a
> "commercial" grade carpet glued down, I figure I will have to belt sand the
> floor smooth. How sensitive are tiles like these to any variances or
> unevenness of the floor? If I have to fill any areas in, what should I use?
>
> I WAS considering using Pergot, but we saw a "Lemon Yellow" tile that is
> almost a dead on match with the yellow carpeting that our trailer
> originally had. The tile would be significantly less expensive than Pergot.
>
> Any comments, experiences and suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
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>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 26
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:47:02 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: water pump question
Water pumps on the older units are fused at 7.5 amps. Not much current draw
at all.
Normally they draw about 3.5 amps.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 27
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:08:58 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: ot water heaters.
Airstreams do not come equipped with "hot water heaters."
BUT, they do come equipped with "cold water heaters."
Who, heats hot water??
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 28
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:32:34 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Bowen water heater hinge
Anyone have an extra wire hinge that is used on the cover of a '71 Bowen
water heater door?
I lost one on our last trip out.
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 29
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:21:16 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: My tile tale!
Armstrong also makes a highly textured industrial grade tile called "Safety
Zone". I find it to be perfect for my Safari. When I pulled up the old
asbestos tiles the glue that held them was tired and worn out. The tiles
came up like butter with only a scraper.
We didn't even sand the subfloor. Just made sure there was no protruding
material and then "floated" the floor using a thick paste. After a day to
dry it was a very tight flat surface and the 12x12 tiles went down smooth
and tight.
I did not pull my cabinets or couches. In fact I cut the old tile at the
edge of the supporting wood. My fear was that loosening the screws could
weaken the integrity of their installation.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
> I managed to find it in my "favorites" list, however:
> http://home.att.net/~globetrotter64/project.htm
>
> Dave
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Message Number: 30
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:37:52 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: My tile tale!
At 11:21 AM 10/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>We didn't even sand the subfloor. Just made sure there was no protruding
>material and then "floated" the floor using a thick paste. After a day to
>dry it was a very tight flat surface and the 12x12 tiles went down smooth
>and tight.
Bob,
I assume that when you say you used a "thick paste", you used the Armstrong
(or equivalent) material for filling & leveling a wooden sub floor?
Dave
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Message Number: 31
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:29:28 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: My tile tale!
Si Senior!
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
From: "Dave Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAC] Re: My tile tale!
> At 11:21 AM 10/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >We didn't even sand the subfloor. Just made sure there was no protruding
> >material and then "floated" the floor using a thick paste. After a day
to
> >dry it was a very tight flat surface and the 12x12 tiles went down smooth
> >and tight.
>
> Bob,
>
> I assume that when you say you used a "thick paste", you used the
Armstrong
> (or equivalent) material for filling & leveling a wooden sub floor?
>
> Dave
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Message Number: 32
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:43:14 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
I never thought of it like that. I wonder why the Airstream factory doesn't
paint all their trailers metallic silver so they would be more valuable.
I'll bet they never thought of it. I'm surprised that some of the older
painted Airstreams haven't entered the Vintage Airstream Club best trailer
competitions at the WBCCI Internationals. They'd be a shoo in winner as the
best looking older trailer.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: <Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:29
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting of an Airstream
> Contrary to some opinions, painting an Airstream trailer, metallic silver,
> ADDS to it's value. The WHY is easy. No more polishing and no more
> plasticoating. Anyone that has been around Airstream for a while, knows
the
> cost and effort that goes into that.
> Waxing a silver painted trailer, assuming a professional paint was
applied,
> once a year, will give the paint a life of at least 20 years. Plasticoat
is
> good for 3-4 years, and polishing, depending on location, can be every two
> weeks.
> Therefore the paint is very cost effective, as well not consuming nearly
as
> much of one's check book, or, labors.
> I have painted them for over thirty years, and I have yet to have anyone
tell
> me that it ruined the value of their Airstream.
> On the contrary, many many of them do tell me of all the compliments that
> they have received along with the question, "where can I get that done?"
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 33
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:12:00 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
Hi Roger,
I've plugged several other DC appliances into the Airstream socket and
they work perfectly. I retested the cord for the Toshiba TV/DVD in my truck
and it works perfectly. I plugged the Toshiba cord into the Airstream
outlet and twisted it about. Put a tester on the end of the mini-plug that
would go into the set. It lit up indicating at least some voltage. But
when I plug it from the Airstream into the Toshiba, it still is a no show.
BTW: I am plugged into land AC so my battery is powered by Univolt. All my
other DC appliances seem to be running well. I turned on every light in the
house and four fans and they all ran well off the battery.
I think this negates the question of low battery voltage. So I am leaning
towards a slight compatibilty issue between the new plug and old Airstream
outlet. I am inclined to buy a new outlet and install in place of the
original Airstream outlet.
Sorry if this is confusing.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: DC Plugs
> Bob,
>
> Try cleaning the socket out with a small wire brush, and rotating the
TV/DVD
> plug when you put it in. It's probably just a bad ground.
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
> Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 34
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:17:24 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Ho! Ho! Ho! Good one, Jim.
- Dick
(5368)
At 11:43 AM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>I never thought of it like that. I wonder why the Airstream factory doesn't
>paint all their trailers metallic silver so they would be more valuable.
>I'll bet they never thought of it. I'm surprised that some of the older
>painted Airstreams haven't entered the Vintage Airstream Club best trailer
>competitions at the WBCCI Internationals. They'd be a shoo in winner as the
>best looking older trailer.
>
>Jim Greene
>' 68 Tradewind
[snip]
"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over.
Why should you and I?"
-Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
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Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 35
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:28:53 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
>[snip]
>
>In that case, I am sure an auto parts place, like Pep Boys or NAPA would
>have them as well.
[snip]
Also, look at Jameco Electronics, at
http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/Products/ProdCT/p066.pdf
They have some DC power receptacles and plugs.
- Dick
(5368)
"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over.
Why should you and I?"
-Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
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Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 36
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:30:54 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: DC Plugs
Good News!
I just kept fiddling with the connectors and all of a sudden the TV/DVD
fired up. So finally I am running a pure DC entertainment center in my
little old Safari :) Thanks to all.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 37
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:57:42 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
I was looking at a 2002 Airstream recently, and the finish on these new
trailers is not the old bare aluminum and clear coat. It really looks like a
"painted surface".
----- Original Message -----
From: "mani" <mani@xxxxxxxxxx.nl>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vent covers
> Don, Don't worry about the hardware / operators. That is all complete and
> working again in my trailer.
> I only miss the 2 covers. Like you suggested I will install a
Fantastic-Vent on
> the third roof opening.
> It would be great when your sizes match mine (I mean the covers) and all
works
> out fine.
> Greetings
> Victor Mani
>
> Don Hardman wrote:
>
> > I will dig mine out of the attic and get a measurement. The
> > hardware/operators are still on the trailer and used for the replacement
> > vents. Except for the one that I removed the entire unit to install the
> > fantastic fan/vent. Have you considered a fantastic vent. Great product.
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/adohen1/page/Fan-tastic.htm
> >
> > http://www.fantasticvent.com/index.html
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Message Number: 38
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:32:14 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
I was looking at a 2002 Airstream recently, and the finish on these new
trailers is not the old bare aluminum and clear coat. It really looks like a
"painted surface".
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Message Number: 39
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:01:10 -0400
From: tom walden <twalden1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Weather forecast in Airstreamland: Mid-day irony followed by some light
scattered sarcasm falling off to an evening of dry humor. ;^)
We all know I lean to keeping them original so I won't bother to weigh
in, but I did like the previous post (no hard feelings - and I do
believe you should do what you want with your airstream - just prefer
originals to remuddled versions).
Tom Walden
Dick Kenan wrote:
> Ho! Ho! Ho! Good one, Jim.
>
> - Dick
> (5368)
>
> At 11:43 AM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> I never thought of it like that. I wonder why the Airstream factory
>> doesn't
>> paint all their trailers metallic silver so they would be more valuable.
>> I'll bet they never thought of it. I'm surprised that some of the older
>> painted Airstreams haven't entered the Vintage Airstream Club best trailer
>> competitions at the WBCCI Internationals. They'd be a shoo in winner
>> as the
>> best looking older trailer.
>>
>> Jim Greene
>> ' 68 Tradewind
>
>
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Message Number: 40
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:23:49 -0600
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re:
Randy,
Thanks for the note. How about rims? I noticed that I have one rim that
has no clips to accomodate the moons. Where would one get the original type
wheels?
GAS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re:
> ----- New Message -----
> From: gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Hub caps
>
> Greetings fellow airstreamers.
>
> I am looking for four of the original hub caps to fit my 1966 Overlander.
> If anyone has any for sale please contact me off list or if there is a
> source for new ones?
>
> GAS
>
> I have a '66 Overlander with the original hub caps with the blue ring
around
> the "moon" center, and no you can't have them. But, for the next best
thing,
> go to:
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14983&BQ=sc
>
> I bought a set for my Sovereign. They are very close to my original
> Overlander caps. I plan to paint the 'ring' a/s blue. This is as good deal
> as you'll probably find. 15" is the size..All 4 for about $100 delivered.
> Randy Unter
> '66 Overlander
> '73 Sovereign
>
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Message Number: 41
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:42:06 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Who is judging who?
Now you have stated "VERY LOAD AND CLEAR" why many "very nice" vintage as
well as non-vintage Airstream owners want nothing to do with WBCCI and/or
VAC.
Enjoy your sarcasm's fellows, but all you really do is further reduce the
number of club members, as well as drive off potential new members.
How crude!!!
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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