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Today's Topics:
1. Re: water pump again
2. Re: water pump again
3. Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
4. Silver paint on Airstream
5. Re: water pump again
6. Painting of an Airstream
7. Fantastic Fans not so Fantastic?
8. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
9. Re: water pump again
10. propane tanks
11. Re: Painting of an Airstream
12. Re: water pump again
13. Re: water pump again
14. Re: Painting of an Airstream
15. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches
16. Re: Randy mixing and blending ;)
17. Re: Randy mixing and blending ;)
18. Re: Awning Question
19. Re: water pump question
20. Re: Painting of an Airstream
21. Hot Water Heater question
22. Re: Painting of an Airstream
23. Re: Hot Water Heater question
24. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
25. Re: Hot Water Heater question
26. Re: Awning Question
27. Re: Hot Water Heater question
28. Re: Hot Water Heater question
29. Re: Hot Water Heater question
30. Re: Hot Water Heater question
31. Re: Painting of an Airstream
32. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
33. Re: Hot Water Heater question
34. Re: Painting of an Airstream
35. Re: Painting Airstreams
36. Re: Painting of an Airstream
37. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
38. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
39. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
40. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
41. awning question
42. Re: water pump again
43. Re:
44. DC Plugs
45. Re: Silver paint on Airstream
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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:46:58 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again
OK Tom,
However, take a look at the Atwood tank and the location of the exit
fixture. Certainly not at the top of the tank. Nor is the pressure valve
at the top of the tank. Same thing at the bottom, the fitting is well above
the bottom of the tank, as is the drain. The electric element is in the
center of the tank and the gas heat tunnel is near the center, not the
top/bottom of the tank. The hot water tank will exhaust air to the top
fitting and then pass water.
There is an air space above the fitting. Might only be a half gallon, but
it must be there. I'm too lazy to measure and calculate the actual volume.
I seem to get quite a bit of flow before the pump comes on and then
considerable pump run after the water is shut off. My thought was that it
was the air space in the water heater.
I'll try venting the water heater and see what it does. Also, I'll by-pass
the water heater and see if I still get the accummulator tank effect.
Regards, '74 Argosy, Joy
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:50:01 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again
Sorry Roger,
I'm not an engineer, but common sense tells me that the water heater and
the cold water are connected to the same source. Pressure in the water tank
will back pressure the cold water. :)
Regards, '74 Argosy, Joy
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 02 17:44:49 -0600
From: Roy Lashway <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
Below is existing paint codes for a 1976 Argosy. Paint is still
available thru auto paint speciality stores. I would assume that any
paint color made by same company and with same specs. would be suitable -
if a color change is desirable. Not to sure what was used a a primer
originally but I presume a body shop could give you contemporary stuff.
I have used same Upper Body color on my 1978.
===============
Argosy Paint Code:
Upper body color: DuPont Centari #44534-A Light Beige
Lower banana skin: Lilly Coatings #7641-A Metallic Brown
(this bottom color various with different models-this was appropriate
for the 1976 Argosy, 24 ft.)
The original colors were provided by Lilly Industrial Coatings. In 1988
Airstream published a list of Dupont Centari substitute numbers. Based on
that list the Argosy colors through 1977 were:
Upper--Light Beige 44534-A
Lower--Metallic Brown 44721-AM
Roy Lashway
'78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
WBCCI 1610 VAC
rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com
web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway
(polishing report included)
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:56:20 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Silver paint on Airstream
on 09/30/02 11:00 AM, Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> We use epoxy primer, a special mix (approved by Dupont chemists) silver
> basemaker color followed by poly's. Works great even in the desert.
> The silver formula is proprietary to us.
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
Hi Andy,
1 - After you have used epoxy primer, a special mix silver basemaker color
followed by poly's, how would compare the looks to an Airstream that has
been mirror polished followed by clear coat?
2 - After the job is done and everything is hard, does road vibration and
body twisting on driveways result in the paint chipping off along the seams?
3 - What other considerations should be taken into account?
4 - What would be a ball park figure for cost to do your best work on a 22'
Safari?
It's almost time for me to spring for a polish job or a paint job and I'm
trying to compare and contrast the two methods. Maybe they are not
comparable? Any suggestions?
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
My reason for asking these questions is
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:44:38 -0700
From: Bill Worden <fantods@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
I installed a small accumulator in my '78 excella 500. I put it inline
immediately downstream of the pump. There are two benefits: 1) considerably
less pulse vibration & noise from the pump 2) pump does not need to
operate every single time the tap is opened. I got mine at a marine supply.
It is abut 3" X 10" and has a diaphragm that divides the chamer in two. The
cushion side is biased with 10# air through a tire valve. I heartily
recomend this upgrade as cheap and effective.
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:05:13 EDT
From: ThreePeaksRanch@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Painting of an Airstream
In a message dated 9/30/02 4:55:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:35:46 -0400
> From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
>
HI Tom et al...
OMG you guys....remember Bill Scott? He mentioned to me in his lessons we
had re:vintage Airstreams before he died...that "painting makes an Airstream
valueless" when it comes to resale/pricing. Of course Argosy's need a good
recoating every once in a while and the ones that have been painted already
for whatever reason...as well as the 78's and 79's of the painted
motorhomes....(I can get aircraft quality products if interested)....but
please think about it SERIOUSLY when applying paint to a lovely vintage
unit....:(
Best,
W@3Peaks
more then last time:)
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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:05:23 -0700
From: Jeffrey Engle <bedheads@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Fantastic Fans not so Fantastic?
I'm looking for that person or persons that live where the temp.
drops to freezing....I had a regular vent in my 77 Sovereign (with
plastic cover, probably from camping world) that the previous owner
installed and every time there was a difference in temperature the darn
thing would drip all over the couch (condensation) I tried one of those
foam pillow things, a small tupperware bucket (of which I thought was
pretty cool) tied to the under side to catch the water..a towel at night
on the couch....all with no avail. Have any of you had the same problem
before? do these FF's drip in winter? or is this merely a full-timer
problem... Yes, I no longer suffer, I made the most beautiful aluminum
patch on the outside/inside put some insulation between and am pretty
content with it I must say...after all, the trailer has double the
windows of my folk's house...Jeff-n-Daile.
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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:12:34 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
Terry,
I know your question was for Andy but I just wanted to say that I have been
to Inland and have seen a painted Airstream. Quite impressive. Not as
shiney as a polish, obviously, but very worth considering if you don't want
to worry about upkeep.
Randy
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:22:56 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
And....your water heater has it's own pressure regulator or pressure relief
valve, therefore why do we install additional pressure regulators? Hmmm.
Randy
> Sorry Roger,
>
> I'm not an engineer, but common sense tells me that the water heater and
> the cold water are connected to the same source. Pressure in the water
tank
> will back pressure the cold water. :)
>
> Regards, '74 Argosy, Joy
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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:52:09 -0700
From: "Alec Fisken" <afisken@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: propane tanks
Thanks for the helpful info on swapping out propane tanks!
And Dave - a great tutorial on installing the Fan-tastic vent. Just reminds
me again what a great resource this list is!
Kathy
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:02:55 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
I did *not* think we were discussing the painting of an Airstream
classic. I did think this discussion was about the Argosy owned by
another.
Did I make a mistake today? ;(
Tom
From: ThreePeaksRanch@xxxxxxxxxx.com
In a message dated 9/30/02 4:55:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:35:46 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
HI Tom et al...
OMG you guys....remember Bill Scott? He mentioned to me in his
lessons we had re:vintage Airstreams before he died...that "painting
makes an Airstream valueless" when it comes to resale/pricing. Of
course Argosy's need a good recoating every once in a while and the ones
that have been painted already for whatever reason...as well as the 78's
and 79's of the painted motorhomes....(I can get aircraft quality
products if interested)....but please think about it SERIOUSLY when
applying paint to a lovely vintage unit....:(
Best,
W@3Peaks
more then last time:)
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:07:50 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
From: "Bill Worden" <fantods@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAC] Re: water pump again
> I installed a small accumulator in my '78 excella 500. I put it inline
> immediately downstream of the pump. There are two benefits: 1)
considerably
> less pulse vibration & noise from the pump 2) pump does not need to
> operate every single time the tap is opened. I got mine at a marine
supply.
> It is abut 3" X 10" and has a diaphragm that divides the chamer in two.
The
> cushion side is biased with 10# air through a tire valve. I heartily
> recomend this upgrade as cheap and effective.
Bill, this is what I had in mind when I suggested to another that he place
an accumlator into his water system. Thanks for posting this.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:20:33 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
BTW. I meant that as a question to support your point, not conflict with it.
When I re-read it I saw how it might have been taken otherwise. I am
curious now and remember the discussion about static verses dynamic pressure
in fluids.
Randy
> And....your water heater has it's own pressure regulator or pressure
relief
> valve, therefore why do we install additional pressure regulators? Hmmm.
> Randy
>
> > Sorry Roger,
> >
> > I'm not an engineer, but common sense tells me that the water heater
and
> > the cold water are connected to the same source. Pressure in the water
> tank
> > will back pressure the cold water. :)
> >
> > Regards, '74 Argosy, Joy
>
>
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:32:33 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Good point Tom but someone did just what the moderators asked recently
and that was to change the subject text when the subject changed. Terry
Tyler started the thread today "Silver Paint on Airstream" assumable
after the Argosy thread got him thinking about it. I get frustrated
also keeping up with Re this and RE that and the subjects end up
blending together.
Randy
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:33:40 -0600
From: "Terry O'Neill" <woodfloor@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches
Hi Toby
I had one installed on my '60 Overlander at the Sioux Falls Rally and it
worked fine. Only took them about 20 minutes to install.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Folwick" <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: [VAC] Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches
> These might be an option for me - one thing I want to
> know - will the curved inside bezel work on a 1960? I
> ask only because the radius of the inside arch is
> tighter on the early 60's models than the 70's and
> even the 50's - and I don't remember hearing anyone
> say anything about putting them on a trailer of that
> decade.
>
> Thanks - Toby
>
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Message Number: 16
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:47:37 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Randy mixing and blending ;)
Randy,
If the paint and primer ever got as mixed up as the re: and RE: posts
did pertaining to the painting of an Airstream or Airstream product it
should adhere well. ;) I try and check the Subject line for the most
part. Don't know what I was thinking! ;)
Tom
From: John R. Kleven
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting of an Airstream
I get frustrated also keeping up with Re this and RE that and the
subjects end up blending together.
Randy
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Message Number: 17
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:29:45 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Randy mixing and blending ;)
Too funny Tom. Shoot, If I had a nickel for every post I made to
"RE-Wrongsubject" .......
Randy
Randy,
If the paint and primer ever got as mixed up as the re: and RE: posts
did pertaining to the painting of an Airstream or Airstream product it
should adhere well. ;) I try and check the Subject line for the most
part. Don't know what I was thinking! ;)
Tom
From: John R. Kleven
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting of an Airstream
I get frustrated also keeping up with Re this and RE that and the
subjects end up blending together.
Randy
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Message Number: 18
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:17:53 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Awning Question
on 9/30/02 1:09 PM, Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com at Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Tom. The springs are inside the roller tube.
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
>
Keeping in mind all the cautionary tales about the potential for bodily
injury in removing the awning, is it safe for a novice with readonable
mechanical skills just to add tension? How is it done? Mine is kind of
whimpy.
Greg
'76 Trade Wind
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Message Number: 19
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: water pump question
If I understand the question rightly, the concern is
that there is a noticeable pulsing of the 12VDC supply
while the pump is running. Presumably this provides a
lighting effect that is well-suited to a disco, but
little else. If I'm wrong, please ignore the rest of
this message.
The amount of current drawn by the pump motor will
increase as a result of higher resistance or lower
speed (generally related to resistance, as well). I
have a rebuilt PAR in my 68. It draws some juice, but
I haven't noticed much effect on other 12V devices.
If your unit has an amp gage, you could use it to
quantify the variations. If the variations are only
perceptible at the amp gage, don't worry. The pump
cycle is not uniform, so the current draw will vary
during it. I think the draw is somewhere around 5
amps (been awhile).
I would guess that there is a problem with the pump.
You could have a pressure switch that is set too high,
is damaged or is blocked. Or, there could be
mechanical trouble that is causing high friction.
Both are relatively easy to check and repair. Put a
pressure gage on the system. Turn the pump by hand
(after turning the switch off!) to gage resistance.
Put a little oil on the bearings if in doubt.
Repairs are generally not too expensive on this unit.
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
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Message Number: 20
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:29:00 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Contrary to some opinions, painting an Airstream trailer, metallic silver,
ADDS to it's value. The WHY is easy. No more polishing and no more
plasticoating. Anyone that has been around Airstream for a while, knows the
cost and effort that goes into that.
Waxing a silver painted trailer, assuming a professional paint was applied,
once a year, will give the paint a life of at least 20 years. Plasticoat is
good for 3-4 years, and polishing, depending on location, can be every two
weeks.
Therefore the paint is very cost effective, as well not consuming nearly as
much of one's check book, or, labors.
I have painted them for over thirty years, and I have yet to have anyone tell
me that it ruined the value of their Airstream.
On the contrary, many many of them do tell me of all the compliments that
they have received along with the question, "where can I get that done?"
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 21
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:07:32 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Hot Water Heater question
My 1976 Sovereign has the original hotwater heater. A few months ago the
heater went on the blink and although I could light the pilot, it would go
out after just a few minutes. I had the thermostat replaced and it worked
fine for a while. Now the same thing is happening again. I can light the
pilot but it won't stay on. Any thoughts
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Message Number: 22
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:09:51 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Andy do you have any before and after pictures you could share?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> I have painted them for over thirty years, and I have yet to have anyone
tell
> me that it ruined the value of their Airstream.
> On the contrary, many many of them do tell me of all the compliments that
> they have received along with the question, "where can I get that done?"
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Message Number: 23
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:55:30 -0500
From: "D. Reilly" <dmr@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Make sure that the pilot flame is making good contact on the thermocouple
sensor. Or just replace the thermocouple. I don't think they cost that
much.
Good Luck,
David Reilly
Madison, Mississippi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:07 AM
Subject: [VAC] Hot Water Heater question
> My 1976 Sovereign has the original hotwater heater. A few months ago the
> heater went on the blink and although I could light the pilot, it would go
> out after just a few minutes. I had the thermostat replaced and it worked
> fine for a while. Now the same thing is happening again. I can light the
> pilot but it won't stay on. Any thoughts
>
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:57:21 -0400
From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
One more question - how much weight does the paint add?
> Hi Andy,
>
> 1 - After you have used epoxy primer, a special mix silver
> basemaker color
> followed by poly's, how would compare the looks to an
> Airstream that has
> been mirror polished followed by clear coat?
>
> 2 - After the job is done and everything is hard, does road
> vibration and
> body twisting on driveways result in the paint chipping off
> along the seams?
>
> 3 - What other considerations should be taken into account?
>
> 4 - What would be a ball park figure for cost to do your best
> work on a 22'
> Safari?
>
> It's almost time for me to spring for a polish job or a paint
> job and I'm
> trying to compare and contrast the two methods. Maybe they are not
> comparable? Any suggestions?
>
> Terry
>
> mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
>
>
>
> My reason for asking these questions is
>
>
>
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Message Number: 25
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:00:10 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Thermocoupler will shut off the gas if there is a problem.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: [VAC] Hot Water Heater question
> My 1976 Sovereign has the original hotwater heater. A few months ago the
> heater went on the blink and although I could light the pilot, it would go
> out after just a few minutes. I had the thermostat replaced and it worked
> fine for a while. Now the same thing is happening again. I can light the
> pilot but it won't stay on. Any thoughts
>
>
>
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Message Number: 26
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:11:07 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Awning Question
Greg. NO, NO, NO. It takes TWO people to "properly" add tension. Otherwise,
the risk of injury is substantial.
Andy
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Message Number: 27
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:17:17 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Don,
It's likely debris in the gas line or a bad thermocouple. I would be VERY
skeptical about a water heater or furnace that old without an RV tech.
inspecting it for other problems too.
Randy
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Message Number: 28
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:40:40 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> Thermocoupler will shut off the gas if there is a problem.
It is new and the pilot flame is fine as well.
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Message Number: 29
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:54:16 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
I had the new thermostat and thermocouple installed at Bob Jones RV here in
Houston. I am trying to get an appointment to get back in for them to take a
look at it. Just wanted to see if I was missing anything.
How do you check debris in the gas line. The gas range works fine and I do
have a good pilot for a few minutes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Hot Water Heater question
> Don,
> It's likely debris in the gas line or a bad thermocouple. I would be VERY
> skeptical about a water heater or furnace that old without an RV tech.
> inspecting it for other problems too.
> Randy
>
>
>
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Message Number: 30
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:34:30 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Don. Remove the thermocouple from the thermostat. Clean the center terminal,
"CAREFULLY."
Reinstall it and tighten the fitting, "FIRMLY."
That should cure the problem, if not, you probably need a new thermocouple.
Also, make sure the thermocouple is into the pilot light flame, adequately.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 31
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:44:25 -0400
From: "goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net" <goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
I tried to resist responding to this thread, but I just can't take it any
longer... Andy of course knows a million times more than I do about
Airstream values, but I have to say that I wouldn't even CONSIDER buying a
painted Airstream. Sounds almost sacrilegious to me.
Amanda
68 Safari
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Message Number: 32
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:50:26 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
Terry. The paint weight is insignificant.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 33
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:53:59 -0400
From: Chris Bryant <list@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Water Heater question
Don Hardman wrote:
>My 1976 Sovereign has the original hotwater heater. A few months ago the
>heater went on the blink and although I could light the pilot, it would go
>out after just a few minutes. I had the thermostat replaced and it worked
>fine for a while. Now the same thing is happening again. I can light the
>pilot but it won't stay on. Any thoughts
For this type of problem, you kind of need to be watching it
when it shuts off. A couple of things- the new thermocouple *could* be
bad- while it's not common, I have seen it several times.
If the air adjustment is off, the flame could be pulling the
pilot flame off of the thermocouple, shutting the gas off. The main
flame should not roar (or should just be at the point of starting to
roar)- if it is roaring loudly, there is too much air.
--
Chris Bryant
mailto:bryantrv@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
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Message Number: 34
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:02:34 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
Amanda. As the old saying goes, "some do and some don't." Each of us have
different values and thought's.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 35
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:43:14 -0400
From: "goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net" <goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting Airstreams
As you say, Andy, each to his own. The point I was trying to make was that
while few people would reject a classic Airstream on the basis of its NOT
being painted, there are certainly people (nutty purists, perhaps) like
myself who would reject one that WAS painted. I do realize that an
unsightly corroded trailer with peeling clearcoat probably wouldn't command
as high a price as a nicely painted one. And I don't mean to imply that
people shouldn't do whatever they want with their own trailers, by the way.
Amanda
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Message Number: 36
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:02:27 -0500
From: "D. Reilly" <dmr@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Painting of an Airstream
I polished my 26' Overlander one hot Mississippi summer. Painting sounds
pretty good to me!
David Reilly
Madison, Mississippi
1963 Overlander
1953 Overlander
1991 Excella 1000 34'
> Amanda. As the old saying goes, "some do and some don't." Each of us have
> different values and thought's.
>
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
>
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Message Number: 37
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:30:27 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
Andy,
I cant believe that an Airstream that has been painted to look like the
original aluminum would even begin to approach the original look.
It might look OK 20 feet away, but up close????
Do you have any "before & after" photos of one that has been painted?
Dave
At 12:50 PM 10/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Terry. The paint weight is insignificant.
>
>Andy
>inlandrv.com
>airstreamparts.com
>
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Message Number: 38
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:06:01 -0600
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
About a year ago, i viewed an early '70's Overlander that had a few large
sections (streetside front quarter, for sure) that had been painted
'aluminum' colored... i was surprised at how long it took me to notice -
didn't realize it until i was about six feet away. It wasn't all that great
a paint job, either.
On the other hand, once i knew it was there, it was hard NOT to see it...
Tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Silver paint on Airstream
> Andy,
>
> I cant believe that an Airstream that has been painted to look like the
> original aluminum would even begin to approach the original look.
>
> It might look OK 20 feet away, but up close????
>
> Do you have any "before & after" photos of one that has been painted?
>
> Dave
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Message Number: 39
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:13:42 -0500
From: lefty frizzell <leftyfrizzell@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
On my last jaunt, I stayed next to an Airstream that the owner had had
painted to match the tow vehicle. You knew it was an Airstream...but, it
was really good looking. No clearcoat flaking or the usual fungus on
the sides.
This thing was slick. I'm seriously thinking about doing the same thing
to mine, if I ever get back to work.
Lefty Frizzell
http://home.earthlink.net/~leftyfrizzell
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Tomorrow is not looking too good either.
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From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Tuna
Sent: October 01, 2002 13:06
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Silver paint on Airstream
About a year ago, i viewed an early '70's Overlander that had a few
large sections (streetside front quarter, for sure) that had been
painted 'aluminum' colored... i was surprised at how long it took me to
notice - didn't realize it until i was about six feet away. It wasn't
all that great a paint job, either. On the other hand, once i knew it
was there, it was hard NOT to see it...
Tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Silver paint on Airstream
> Andy,
>
> I cant believe that an Airstream that has been painted to look like
> the original aluminum would even begin to approach the original look.
>
> It might look OK 20 feet away, but up close????
>
> Do you have any "before & after" photos of one that has been painted?
>
> Dave
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Message Number: 40
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:33:53 -0700
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
Dave,
If you check out Inlands website in the projects section you can see one of
his "painted Airstreams". It looks great and I'm sure it'll have similar
maintenance pros and cons as modern cars. It may not be for all of us
however it does look good.
Colin Hyde
57 Sovereign of the Road
59 Ambassador International
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Silver paint on Airstream
> Andy,
>
> I cant believe that an Airstream that has been painted to look like the
> original aluminum would even begin to approach the original look.
>
> It might look OK 20 feet away, but up close????
>
> Do you have any "before & after" photos of one that has been painted?
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:50 PM 10/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Terry. The paint weight is insignificant.
> >
> >Andy
> >inlandrv.com
> >airstreamparts.com
> >
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Message Number: 41
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:26:49 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <dkparins@ez-net.com>
Subject: awning question
Jim wrote:
The wind will cause the tarp to move around and it will scratch
the skin when dust and grit blow underneath the tarp. The skin will be
marked when you pull the tarp off.
Jim is right about this. Our trailer had been covered tightly with a tarp.
I inherited scratches from the tarp, the grommets in the tarp and the rope
which held the tarp.
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 42
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:35:50 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <dkparins@ez-net.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again
Roger wrote:
> A "cushion" in a hot water heater only affects what's
> downstream from that, i.e. hot water only.
This doesn't make sense to me unless the water heater is equipped with a
backflow preventer. It seems to me an air cushion anywhere would pressurize
the whole system but if it is in or beyond the water heater it might push
hot water back into the cold water lines when a cold water faucet is opened.
Can someone clarify this?
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 43
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:17:09 -0600
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re:
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Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002
Subject: [VAC] Re: Hub caps
Greetings fellow airstreamers.
I am looking for four of the original hub caps to fit my 1966 Overlander.
If anyone has any for sale please contact me off list or if there is a
source for new ones?
GAS
I have a '66 Overlander with the original hub caps with the blue ring around
the "moon" center, and no you can't have them. But, for the next best thing,
go to:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/product.jhtml?CATID=14983&BQ=sc
I bought a set for my Sovereign. They are very close to my original
Overlander caps. I plan to paint the 'ring' a/s blue. This is as good deal
as you'll probably find. 15" is the size..All 4 for about $100 delivered.
Randy Unter
'66 Overlander
'73 Sovereign
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Message Number: 44
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:28:41 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: DC Plugs
I recently bought a Toshiba 9" TV/DVD combo that runs off DC as well as AC
power. After purchasing it I plugged it into the cigarette lighter of my
truck and it started up.
Got back to the Airstream and plugged it into the cigarette lighter that
came with the coach back in 66. I got no power. The old socket works when
I plug in its original lighter, but not the TV/DVD. Does anyone know of
compatibility problems betwee old lighter recepticles and newer DC plugs?
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 45
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:51:02 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Silver paint on Airstream
Dave. You can see a photo of one painted in the slide show of our web site.
inlandrv.com We know that a painted surface will never look like metal, but
we have it close. Some like it, some don't. We are here to please the owner
that does like the paint, and, we are not here to argue or have lengthy
conversations with those that don't.
Andy
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