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VACList DigestVACList-Digest       Monday, September 30, 2002      Issue 441
  
Today's Topics:
  
        1. Re: Awning Question
        2. Fantastic Fan Installation
        3. Re: Awning Question
        4. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
        5. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation
        6. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation
        7. Re: Awning Question
        8. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation
        9. water pump again
       10. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       11. Re: propane tanks
       12. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       13. Re: water pump again
       14. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation
       15. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation
       16. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       17. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       18. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       19. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       20. Re: Awning Question
       21. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       22. Re: water pump again
       23. Re: Awning Question
       24. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       25. Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
       26. Re: water pump again
       27. Re: Awning Question
       28. Re: water pump again
       29. Re: Awning Question
       30. Re: Awning Question
       31. Re: Awning Question
       32. Re: water pump again
       33. Re: Awning Question
       34. Re: Awning Question
       35. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation
       36. Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches
       37. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches
       38. Re: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches
       39. Re: water pump again
       40. Re: water pump again




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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joel Wilcox <jdubikins@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

--- Bob Hightower <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote in
part:
> The awning should have, for the last foot or so
> closest to the trailer,
> a panel that is waterproof and is intended to
> protect the rest of the
> fabric when it is rolled up. It may be time to
> replace the awning fabric
> anyway, if that part of it isn't doing it's job.

Thanks Bob. I think the fabric is doing its job, but
it forms a flat surface between the roller and the
attachment tunnel on the trailer that quickly becomes
a hammock for rain and snow.  It seems likely to wear
out more quickly as a result, but if that's just how
it is, okeydoke.  I do enjoy the awning, and I'll just
enjoy it as long as possible.

Joel

=====
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1966 Overlander
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:15:35 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Fantastic Fan Installation

I spent this last weekend installing two Fantastic Fans in my 1977 31' 
Airstream Sovereign. I replaced the original front (which had a fan) and 
rear (fanless) vents.

You can view the process and read my comments here: 
http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/ffan/index.htm

Dave

_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com

WBCCI: 5074

1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio




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Message Number: 3
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:43:54 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

............................................................................
, but
> it forms a flat surface between the roller and the
> attachment tunnel on the trailer that quickly becomes
> a hammock for rain and snow.  It seems likely to wear
> out more quickly as a result, but if that's just how
> it is, okeydoke.  I do enjoy the awning, and I'll just
> enjoy it as long as possible.
>
> Joel

Joel,

When your awning is rolled up there should be enough tension still available
in the torsion spring to keep that "flat area" you mentioned nice and tight.
If a "hammock" forms as you say due to rain or snow then I'd think that the
tension in your awning needs just a bit of adjustment.  If you are not
familiar with how these awnings work with their wind up springs this is best
left to someone who does.

If you ever took your awning off of your trailer you'd first have to
*remove* spring tension.  This is very important for your safety.

What you are referring to here as a "tunnel" is actually the extruded
aluminum that holds the end of the awning onto the trailer, is it not?  Andy
would give you the scientific name but I've always referred to them as an
"awning extrusion" myself.  Andy?

Tom



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Message Number: 4
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:49:39 -0400
From: corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Corbin C Bates)
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

Andy is right on this one guys and gals you do not want to use the white or silver roof sealer that you can get at any of you local home imporvment stores. I don't know about leaving white streaks after a heavy dew morning, but I do know that you would no
Look on the bright side there is a paint out there that does help reflect about 50% of the heat from the sun. Bad part is I can't remember its name, but I think it was made by DuPont.

Corbin
Have trailer will travel...

Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:

>Adding a rubber roof on an Airstream trailer, is not something I would 
>recommend for a variety of reasons. 
>1. Why?
>2. What would a person hope to gain?
>3. How would you hold down the edges?
>4. It would serve no useful purpose.
>5. If someone wants the roof to be cooler, paint it with auto paints, 
>properly.
>6. Adding any type of roof coating, will shortly lead to stains down the 
>sides of the trailer.
>7. There is always someone who will always ignore good advice and do it 
>anyway.
>8. I would think that the resale value with a rubber roof, would go right 
>into the black water tank, quickly.
>
>
>Andy
>inlandrv.com
>airstreamparts.com 
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:47:13 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation

Nice work, Dave.

You didn't pay yourself by the hour for the entire weekend, did you? ;)

Tom

From: "David W. Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>


> I spent this last weekend installing two Fantastic Fans in my 1977 31' 
> Airstream Sovereign. I replaced the original front (which had a fan) and 
> rear (fanless) vents.
> 
> You can view the process and read my comments here: 
> http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/ffan/index.htm
> 
> Dave


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Message Number: 6
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:10:07 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation

on 09/29/02 10:47 PM, tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com wrote:

>> You can view the process and read my comments here:
>> http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/ffan/index.htm
>> 
 Nice job, Dave,

Access to photos really easy. What did you use to do that?

Terry

mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net



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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:11:10 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question



-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Joel Wilcox
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:56 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Awning Question


--- Bob Hightower <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote in
part:
> The awning should have, for the last foot or so
> closest to the trailer,
> a panel that is waterproof and is intended to
> protect the rest of the
> fabric when it is rolled up. It may be time to
> replace the awning fabric
> anyway, if that part of it isn't doing it's job.

Thanks Bob. I think the fabric is doing its job, but
it forms a flat surface between the roller and the
attachment tunnel on the trailer that quickly becomes
a hammock for rain and snow.  It seems likely to wear
out more quickly as a result, but if that's just how
it is, okeydoke.  I do enjoy the awning, and I'll just
enjoy it as long as possible.


OK, I see that it doesn't have the metal cover that protects it, either.
Might be just as easy, for winter storage, to find a tarp the right
length and tie it over the top of the A/S, making sure that it covers
the awning, and drawing it tight enough to eliminate the tunnel you are
speaking of.


Bob




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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:13:41 -0500
From: "Charlie Gunkel" <cmgunkel@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation

    David,

Thanks for the pics and info.  I also have a 77 sovereign.  I called you
some months ago.  Looks like you did a great job.   I've been thinking about
adding one or more Fantastic Fans.   What did you do about the lighting to
replace the old fixtures?

Thanks again

Charlie Gunkel
Tulsa
77 sovereign
----- Original Message -----
From: "David W. Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:15 PM
Subject: [VAC] Fantastic Fan Installation


> I spent this last weekend installing two Fantastic Fans in my 1977 31'
> Airstream Sovereign. I replaced the original front (which had a fan) and
> rear (fanless) vents.
>
> You can view the process and read my comments here:
> http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/ffan/index.htm
>
> Dave
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> WBCCI: 5074
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:47:26 -0600
From: "Pete Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: water pump again

I didn't see this on the list and haven't seen any response so I am
re-submitting.  Anyone out there to help?
Thanks again.
Pete


It's been over a year in restoration but I finally got our '68 Airstream
back on the road.  After replacing the bathroom floor, all plumbing, almost
all new appliances and a new custom oak interior built from scratch, I was
excited to give it a try.  Although I have no drawers or doors yet, and have
a couple of cupboards to make and the table to finish and install (the list
goes on), it was done enough for the shake down trip.  Most everything
worked great.  No water leaks, the new furnace worked well after the first
day and a half - think I had a stuck sail switch, but it worked out, new
fridge worked great as well as the new optima battery.  I highly recommend
the latter!  The one puzzling thing I have to figure out is the water pump.
It works well and puts out lots of volume, but every time it pumps, the
entire 12V system pulses.  Can't believe it can pull that much current.  Is
this normal?  This is the original pump.  Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Pete



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Message Number: 10
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:16:03 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

This is one instance where newer technology can be a good thing. When I had my
Argosy repainted after completely stripping it, the painter used polyurethane
primer. He said it will stick to either the steel or aluminum equally well. Over
that he shot two coats of paint. So far what he has said is true. Except where
I'm knocking it off it looks great.

Charlie

Jack Honeycutt wrote:

> At 04:46 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >You might surmise that the roof of my Argosy is near white (beige) and it
> >gets hot enough that I can't hold my hand on the surface (outside).
> >Translates into high heat inside under any circumstance.  Don't think that
> >just reflection is the solution; however, the window reflecting screens sure
> >seem to do a great job.
>
> At the local hardware store is a white goop sold in 1 gallon cans and 5
> gallon buckets that you use to mop onto your surface.
>
> It is used on roofs in houses to stop water leaks, *and* give you a higher
> "R" value.
>
> Some non Airstream folks use it as a quick fix to mop the top of a old RV
> to stop leaks and cool up the insides.  I see it at just about any large or
> small hardware store (I am sure Home Depot has it).  It looks messy, but it
> might be the answer. It dries to a rubber type hardness.
>
> jack in Portland Oregon
>
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:20:17 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: propane tanks

Kathy,

There is no reason you can't use the swap out bottles on an RV.
By all means replace that low pressure line that looks like corrugated conduit.
That is the same stuff used in non vibrating home installations but is not a
wise idea for the exposed, high vibration application on an RV.

Charlie

Alec Fisken wrote:

> I have a few questions on LP tanks:
>
> I was told the Home Depot-type inexpensive, pre-filled LP tanks that you
> trade your old one in for were not legal for use on an RV. I assume that's
> true - can anyone confirm?
>
> If the original tanks are rusted and I want to get new ones, is there any
> reason someone would want the old non-aluminum ones?
>
> I'm looking at replacing the regulator on my Globetrotter. The Fisher one at
> Inland RV is about $120, but there are other RV parts places that sell other
> brands for around $30. Is there any reason I need to buy the Fisher?
>
> It looks easy to replace the hoses between the regulator and the tanks. Is
> it best to also replace the line between the regulator and where the propane
> lines start branching out under the trailer? Mine looks like a corrugated
> conduit, about 1" diameter. No obvious damage, but old. Should I dump it?
>
> Thanks!
> Kathy in Seattle
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:00:30 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

Ever use epoxy primer instead first and then coat with aircraft paint?

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy


> This is one instance where newer technology can be a good thing. When I
had my
> Argosy repainted after completely stripping it, the painter used
polyurethane
> primer. He said it will stick to either the steel or aluminum equally
well. Over
> that he shot two coats of paint. So far what he has said is true. Except
where
> I'm knocking it off it looks great.
>
> Charlie
>
> Jack Honeycutt wrote:
>
> > At 04:46 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >You might surmise that the roof of my Argosy is near white (beige) and
it
> > >gets hot enough that I can't hold my hand on the surface (outside).
> > >Translates into high heat inside under any circumstance.  Don't think
that
> > >just reflection is the solution; however, the window reflecting screens
sure
> > >seem to do a great job.
> >
> > At the local hardware store is a white goop sold in 1 gallon cans and 5
> > gallon buckets that you use to mop onto your surface.
> >
> > It is used on roofs in houses to stop water leaks, *and* give you a
higher
> > "R" value.
> >
> > Some non Airstream folks use it as a quick fix to mop the top of a old
RV
> > to stop leaks and cool up the insides.  I see it at just about any large
or
> > small hardware store (I am sure Home Depot has it).  It looks messy, but
it
> > might be the answer. It dries to a rubber type hardness.
> >
> > jack in Portland Oregon
> >
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> > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:03:08 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again

Pete,

Can you add an in-line accumlator?  This is a small pressurized air tank I'm
talking about.  These are used in homes to stop the banging of pipes from
pressure.  They are also used a small storage tanks in homes that use well
water systems.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:47 PM
Subject: [VAC] water pump again


> I didn't see this on the list and haven't seen any response so I am
> re-submitting.  Anyone out there to help?
> Thanks again.
> Pete
>
>
> It's been over a year in restoration but I finally got our '68 Airstream
> back on the road.  After replacing the bathroom floor, all plumbing,
almost
> all new appliances and a new custom oak interior built from scratch, I was
> excited to give it a try.  Although I have no drawers or doors yet, and
have
> a couple of cupboards to make and the table to finish and install (the
list
> goes on), it was done enough for the shake down trip.  Most everything
> worked great.  No water leaks, the new furnace worked well after the first
> day and a half - think I had a stuck sail switch, but it worked out, new
> fridge worked great as well as the new optima battery.  I highly recommend
> the latter!  The one puzzling thing I have to figure out is the water
pump.
> It works well and puts out lots of volume, but every time it pumps, the
> entire 12V system pulses.  Can't believe it can pull that much current.
Is
> this normal?  This is the original pump.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks in advance
> Pete
>
>
>
>
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>



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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:32:25 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation

Our Sovereign is a mid bath, so the back vent is in the bedroom. We did not 
replace the lighting there. We have the reading lamps over the bed, and the 
light in the hallway. Thats enough for us.

In the living room, we installed a "rope light" that runs in the trough 
above the curtains, and around the front. That gives the room enough 
ambient light in the evenings. We also have the reading lamps over the 
sofa, and the ceiling lamp in the kitchen.

It certainly would be possible to install a "standard" 12 volt fixture next 
to the fan, if you wanted one.

Dave


At 10:13 PM 9/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>     David,
>
>Thanks for the pics and info.  I also have a 77 sovereign.  I called you
>some months ago.  Looks like you did a great job.   I've been thinking about
>adding one or more Fantastic Fans.   What did you do about the lighting to
>replace the old fixtures?
>
>Thanks again
>
>Charlie Gunkel
>Tulsa
>77 sovereign
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David W. Lowrey" <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 9:15 PM
>Subject: [VAC] Fantastic Fan Installation
>
>
> > I spent this last weekend installing two Fantastic Fans in my 1977 31'
> > Airstream Sovereign. I replaced the original front (which had a fan) and
> > rear (fanless) vents.
> >
> > You can view the process and read my comments here:
> > http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/ffan/index.htm
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >
> > WBCCI: 5074
> >
> > 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> > Cincinnati, Ohio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:35:00 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation

At 11:10 PM 9/29/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>o
>  Nice job, Dave,
>
>Access to photos really easy. What did you use to do that?
>
>Terry

Thanks Terry.

I used Adobe Photoshop Elements V 2.0 to do the basic page layout. I then 
used a HTML editor (Front page) to add the comments to each page, and to 
build the "home"page.

Dave

_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com

WBCCI: 5074

1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio




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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:31:29 -0400
From: corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Corbin C Bates)
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

I thought that you couldn't get aircraft paint with being a certified aircraft mechanic? It is some nasty stuff from what I here.

Corbin
Have trailer will travel...

"Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:

>Ever use epoxy primer instead first and then coat with aircraft paint?
>
>Tom
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:16 AM
>Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
>
>
>> This is one instance where newer technology can be a good thing. When I
>had my
>> Argosy repainted after completely stripping it, the painter used
>polyurethane
>> primer. He said it will stick to either the steel or aluminum equally
>well. Over
>> that he shot two coats of paint. So far what he has said is true. Except
>where
>> I'm knocking it off it looks great.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Jack Honeycutt wrote:
>>
>> > At 04:46 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>> >
>> > >You might surmise that the roof of my Argosy is near white (beige) and
>it
>> > >gets hot enough that I can't hold my hand on the surface (outside).
>> > >Translates into high heat inside under any circumstance.  Don't think
>that
>> > >just reflection is the solution; however, the window reflecting screens
>sure
>> > >seem to do a great job.
>> >
>> > At the local hardware store is a white goop sold in 1 gallon cans and 5
>> > gallon buckets that you use to mop onto your surface.
>> >
>> > It is used on roofs in houses to stop water leaks, *and* give you a
>higher
>> > "R" value.
>> >
>> > Some non Airstream folks use it as a quick fix to mop the top of a old
>RV
>> > to stop leaks and cool up the insides.  I see it at just about any large
>or
>> > small hardware store (I am sure Home Depot has it).  It looks messy, but
>it
>> > might be the answer. It dries to a rubber type hardness.
>> >
>> > jack in Portland Oregon
>> >
>> > To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
>> > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:55:43 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

Is there a difference?  someone is bs'ing you

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Corbin C Bates" <corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:31 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy


> I thought that you couldn't get aircraft paint with being a certified
aircraft mechanic? It is some nasty stuff from what I here.
>
> Corbin
> Have trailer will travel...
>
> "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >Ever use epoxy primer instead first and then coat with aircraft paint?
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> >To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> >Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:16 AM
> >Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy
> >
> >
> >> This is one instance where newer technology can be a good thing. When I
> >had my
> >> Argosy repainted after completely stripping it, the painter used
> >polyurethane
> >> primer. He said it will stick to either the steel or aluminum equally
> >well. Over
> >> that he shot two coats of paint. So far what he has said is true.
Except
> >where
> >> I'm knocking it off it looks great.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> Jack Honeycutt wrote:
> >>
> >> > At 04:46 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >You might surmise that the roof of my Argosy is near white (beige)
and
> >it
> >> > >gets hot enough that I can't hold my hand on the surface (outside).
> >> > >Translates into high heat inside under any circumstance.  Don't
think
> >that
> >> > >just reflection is the solution; however, the window reflecting
screens
> >sure
> >> > >seem to do a great job.
> >> >
> >> > At the local hardware store is a white goop sold in 1 gallon cans and
5
> >> > gallon buckets that you use to mop onto your surface.
> >> >
> >> > It is used on roofs in houses to stop water leaks, *and* give you a
> >higher
> >> > "R" value.
> >> >
> >> > Some non Airstream folks use it as a quick fix to mop the top of a
old
> >RV
> >> > to stop leaks and cool up the insides.  I see it at just about any
large
> >or
> >> > small hardware store (I am sure Home Depot has it).  It looks messy,
but
> >it
> >> > might be the answer. It dries to a rubber type hardness.
> >> >
> >> > jack in Portland Oregon
> >> >
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:27:38 EDT
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy



Most of the mordren paints are very toxic and dangerious to use without 
proper safty equipment. Jim Smith


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Message Number: 19
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:35:46 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy


Yes .... so?
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com=20
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  Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:27 AM
  Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy


  Most of the mordren paints are very toxic and dangerious to use 
without proper safty equipment. Jim Smith



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Message Number: 20
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:50:22 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Awning Question

Tom. Are you talking about a "roller tube?"
Also, if the awning spring tension is not totally locked in or eliminated, 
prior to removal, is almost a guarantee of personal injury, up to and 
including broken arms, fractured skulls, slit throats. loss of eyes, etc. If 
anyone is NOT EXACTLY positive of how to remove an awning, then 
DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com 


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Message Number: 21
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:00:00 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

Tom. Epoxy primer, yes. Why Aircraft paint? We use Dupont automotive 
products, and have for over 30 years, without any problems. Granted, 
chemistry has changed, as well as some laws.
We use epoxy primer, a special mix (approved by Dupont chemists) silver 
basemaker color followed by poly's. Works great even in the desert.
The silver formula is proprietary to us.

Andy
inlandrv.com 
airstreamparts.com


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Message Number: 22
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:01:27 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again

An in-line accumulator won't solve the problem.  The pump will still
overload the system while replenishing the accumulator chamber. If the pump
is drawing too much, it needs to be replaced or rebuilt.  I believe there
are rebuild kits for the old PAR pumps....do a search in Tom Patterson's
files and you should find the info.


Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net




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Message Number: 23
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:22:55 -0400
From: corbinbates@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Corbin C Bates)
Subject: Re: Awning Question

Sounds like the good old 50cal machcian gun and its bolt spring.

Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:

>Tom. Are you talking about a "roller tube?"
>Also, if the awning spring tension is not totally locked in or eliminated, 
>prior to removal, is almost a guarantee of personal injury, up to and 
>including broken arms, fractured skulls, slit throats. loss of eyes, etc. If 
>anyone is NOT EXACTLY positive of how to remove an awning, then 
>DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Andy
>inlandrv.com
>airstreamparts.com 
>
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:57:31 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

Look for aircraft paint at the Aircraft Spruce Company web page, or ask
for their catalog. It has a great collection of finishes, materials, and
tools that are useful working on Airstreams, including Clecos and
deburring tools.

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.


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Message Number: 25
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:18:42 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy

good place, Gerald.  Thanks.

Tom

Subject: [VAC] Re: Painting the Exterior of an Airstream or Argosy


> Look for aircraft paint at the Aircraft Spruce Company web page, or ask
> for their catalog. It has a great collection of finishes, materials, and
> tools that are useful working on Airstreams, including Clecos and
> deburring tools.
> 
> Gerald J.


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Message Number: 26
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:51:54 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again

Hi Roger,

With regard to the accumulator tank, I'm a bit puzzled.  I thought the tank
would be necessary; however, there seems to be a considerable air cushion in
the hot water tank.

Owing to the small volume of most accumulator tanks, is it redundant to have
both the water heater and the accumulator tank?

Possibly I don't understand the principle.

                    '69 Safari, Joy





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Message Number: 27
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:25:44 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

Andy, the extrusion I was referring to was in particular where the awning
slides into the track.  The tension springs I was referring to is what makes
the awning roll itself up.  I guess what you are saying is that those
springs are in the spring tube?

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: <Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Awning Question


> Tom. Are you talking about a "roller tube?"
> Also, if the awning spring tension is not totally locked in or eliminated,
> prior to removal, is almost a guarantee of personal injury, up to and
> including broken arms, fractured skulls, slit throats. loss of eyes, etc.
If
> anyone is NOT EXACTLY positive of how to remove an awning, then
> DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
>
>
>
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Message Number: 28
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:54:47 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again

I don't think you'd want much of an air cushion in the hot water
tank....there's a danger of burnout there.  Also, that won't pressurize the
cold side.

The accumulator simply uses the pressure generated on the air side to keep
the water flowing, decreasing the need for the water pump to cycle as much.


Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net




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Message Number: 29
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:11:45 -0400
From: Chris Bryant <list@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

Joel Wilcox wrote:

>Many of you seem to have awnings, so I'd appreciate
>some advice.  My Overlander has an A&E awning.  My
>parents never removed this for winter storage or
>anything like that.  It looks to me like it could use
>some repair and I really feel that it would be better
>routinely to store it off the trailer in the
>"non-travel" months.
>
>It looks like you could remove the caps at the end of
>the arms and just lift out the roller. It seems as
>though it should be "relaxed" in the rolled up state. 
>The tricky part looks to be sliding the beaded edge of
>the canvas out of the tunnel which is attached to the
>trailer -- definitely a two-person job.  Have I
>assessed this correctly?

	I put the A&E awning service manual up at
http://bryantrv.com/docs2/docs/aeawning.pdf - but the awning still has
quite a lot of tension on the springs in the retracted state.
	If you really want to remove it, at each end there are holes
going through the end cap and axle which will accept cotter pins- this
will keep the tension locked. Then you would detach the rafters at
each end from the trailer, disconnect the bottom feet-  and walk the
whole thing out of the track.
	Replacing it can sometimes be a three person job- two too walk
the awning, and one to feed the awning back in to the track.

-- 
Chris Bryant
mailto:bryantrv@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com


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Message Number: 30
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joel Wilcox <jdubikins@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

--- Chris Bryant <list@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> 	I put the A&E awning service manual up at
> http://bryantrv.com/docs2/docs/aeawning.pdf - but
> the awning still has
> quite a lot of tension on the springs in the
> retracted state.
> 	If you really want to remove it, at each end there
> are holes
> going through the end cap and axle which will accept
> cotter pins- this
> will keep the tension locked. Then you would detach
> the rafters at
> each end from the trailer, disconnect the bottom
> feet-  and walk the
> whole thing out of the track.
> 	Replacing it can sometimes be a three person job-
> two too walk
> the awning, and one to feed the awning back in to
> the track.

Wow!  Thanks very much, Chris.  I'm still not sure
I'll attempt this after so many cautionary tales, but
the info is fantastic.  Thanks again.

Joel

=====
******
Joel Wilcox
1966 Overlander
Tow: 1987 GMC Vandura 2500

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Message Number: 31
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:31:46 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

Bob, I'd recommend against putting a tarp on the roof or skin of an
Airstream. The wind will cause the tarp to move around and it will scratch
the skin when dust and grit blow underneath the tarp. The skin will be
marked when you pull the tarp off.

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hightower" <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 23:11
Subject: [VAC] Re: Awning Question


> OK, I see that it doesn't have the metal cover that protects it, either.
> Might be just as easy, for winter storage, to find a tarp the right
> length and tie it over the top of the A/S, making sure that it covers
> the awning, and drawing it tight enough to eliminate the tunnel you are
> speaking of.
>
>
> Bob
>
>



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Message Number: 32
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:51:29 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: water pump again

Joy,

There should be no air in the hot water heater at all.  IF there is air you
need to purge it as the elements will try to heat the air instead of water
and it will burn out.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: water pump again


> Hi Roger,
>
> With regard to the accumulator tank, I'm a bit puzzled.  I thought the
tank
> would be necessary; however, there seems to be a considerable air cushion
in
> the hot water tank.
>
> Owing to the small volume of most accumulator tanks, is it redundant to
have
> both the water heater and the accumulator tank?
>
> Possibly I don't understand the principle.
>
>                     '69 Safari, Joy
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 33
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:09:35 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Awning Question

Tom. The springs are inside the roller tube.

Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com


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Message Number: 34
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:28:21 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Awning Question

OK, thanks.
Tom

Subject: [VAC] Re: Awning Question


> Tom. The springs are inside the roller tube.
> 
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com



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Message Number: 35
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:10:39 -0700
From: "Judy White" <djmurtha@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation

  I've been thinking about
> >adding one or more Fantastic Fans.   What did you do about the lighting
to
> >replace the old fixtures?
> >
> >Thanks again
> >
> >Charlie Gunkel
> >Tulsa
> >77 sovereign

Charlie...I added a Fantastic Fan to the center vent (kitchen area) in my 72
International Ambassador - 27 ft.  Moved the existing plate with light bulbs
and wiring (see ffo5.jpg in Dave Lowery's pictures) and repositioned it just
forward of the vent opening and reinstalled the light cover. This actually
improved the lighting in the kitchen area by putting more light closer to
the refer.   I left the old style fans and lights in the front and rear
vents...they are seldom used because the FF in the center is so effective at
moving air.

Dave's excellent site and photos:
http://w3.one.net/~dlowrey1/wbcci/ffan/index.htm

Judy White
72 27 International Ambassador
WBCCI 5040, VAC, NCU





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Message Number: 36
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches

These might be an option for me - one thing I want to
know - will the curved inside bezel work on a 1960?  I
ask only because the radius of the inside arch is
tighter on the early 60's models than the 70's and
even the 50's - and I don't remember hearing anyone
say anything about putting them on a trailer of that
decade.

Thanks - Toby


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Message Number: 37
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:28:56 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches

My Fantastic Fan fit perfectly in the 14x14 square previously occupied by
the A/C in my 66 Safari.

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Folwick" <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: [VAC] Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches


> These might be an option for me - one thing I want to
> know - will the curved inside bezel work on a 1960?  I
> ask only because the radius of the inside arch is
> tighter on the early 60's models than the 70's and
> even the 50's - and I don't remember hearing anyone
> say anything about putting them on a trailer of that
> decade.
>
> Thanks - Toby




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Message Number: 38
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:50:19 -0500
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <kallen@xxxxxxxxxx.k12.il.us>
Subject: Re: Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches

Greetings Toby!

I have Fantastic Fans installed in both the forward (kitchen) vent opening
and rear (bathroom) vent opening in my 1964 Overlander International.  The
Airstream Trim kit worked beautifully with the Kitchen vent location, but
wasn't readily adaptable to the bathroom location as there is/was
interference from the wood partition for the accordian door.  Even without
the Fantastic Fan trim kit, the fan in the bathroom looks right at home as
the original trim remains around the opening.  I am not certain that it
makes any difference, but my coach did have the original power ventilator
fans in each of its vent locations.

My Fantastic Fans were installed by the factory representatives at the WBCCI
International Rally in Dayton, Ohio.  They have been one of the best
investments that I have made in the coach - - they truly do increase the
summer comfort of the coach when Rallys do not have 30 Amp power available.
Both of my vents have the thermostatic controls as well as the automatic
rain sensors - - they have been absolutely trouble free for the past three
years.

Good luck with your decision!

Kevin Allen
WBCCI/VAC #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (Towcar in Training)


----- Original Message -----
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: [VAC] Fantastic Fan Installation older coaches


> These might be an option for me - one thing I want to
> know - will the curved inside bezel work on a 1960?  I
> ask only because the radius of the inside arch is
> tighter on the early 60's models than the 70's and
> even the 50's - and I don't remember hearing anyone
> say anything about putting them on a trailer of that
> decade.
>
> Thanks - Toby





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Message Number: 39
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:22:45 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again

Roger, the instructions with my new Atwood water heater said that in time
the air in the top of the tank would be absorbed into the water and they
advised draining the tank periodically to reintroduce the air cushion. Also,
it seems to me that since the hot and cold water lines are connected at some
point, why wouldn't it cushion the cold side?

Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:54
Subject: [VAC] Re: water pump again


> I don't think you'd want much of an air cushion in the hot water
> tank....there's a danger of burnout there.  Also, that won't pressurize
the
> cold side.
>
> The accumulator simply uses the pressure generated on the air side to keep
> the water flowing, decreasing the need for the water pump to cycle as
much.
>
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
> Mesa, AZ
> mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>




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Message Number: 40
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:47:28 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: water pump again

I won't argue with Atwood...if they say the cushion is needed, then I guess
it is.

An accumulator is always placed in the fresh water line as close to the pump
as it can be placed.  A "cushion" in a hot water heater only affects what's
downstream from that, i.e. hot water only.

Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net




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