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VACList DigestVACList-Digest Sunday, September 22, 2002 Issue 433
Today's Topics:
1. Membership
2. lights
3. Re: '68 Airstream for sale
4. Re: Membership
5. Re: insulation
6. Re: Membership requirements
7. Re: lights
8. Re: '68 Airstream for sale
9. Re: insulation
10. Re: Membership requirements
11. Re: lights
12. Re: lights
13. Re: '68 Airstream for sale
14. Airstream in a tornado?
15. Re: '68 Airstream for sale
16. Re: Airstream in a tornado?
17. Re: Cabover Camper
18. Re: Canada FC auction
19. Re: Airstream in a tornado? or Severe weather awareness
while camping.
20. Re: lights
21. Re: insulation
22. Introduction and A/C Question
23. Re: Cabover Camper
24. Re: '68 Airstream for sale
25. Re: Membership requirements
26. Re: lights
27. Re: Airstream in a tornado? or Severe weather awareness
while camping.
28. Re: Cabover Camper
29. Old WBCCI numbers...
30. Re: Old WBCCI numbers...
31. Re: Old WBCCI numbers...
32. Re: Canada FC auction
33. Re: Canada FC auction
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:18:27 EDT
From: ThreePeaksRanch@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Membership
In a message dated 9/21/02 4:59:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
> From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: Membership
>
> on 9/21/02 10:34 AM, Toby Folwick at toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>
>> I believe in the VAC officers, and I'm getting closer
>> to understanding why things are happening the way they
>> are because I've asked questions.
>
> Toby,
>
> I'd be grateful if you could share a bit of what you are beginning to
> understand. So far, what we've heard is that one Friend was particularly
> rude in asserting his (non-existent) rights to attend rallies to a WBCCI
> officer. This started some kind of a process that resulted in
> tightening up
> rally rules (understandable, given insurance issues, WBCCI's mission
> and so
> on). For some reason, when all this happened, the leadership decided to
> take
> a different approach to website access as well. (Not obvious or
> immediately
> apparent why.)
>
> My original post that kicked this discussion off was precisely an
> attempt to
> "ask questions" and was e-mailed to key national VAC officers who list
> an
> e-mail address in the VA. Wayne Moore answered here and Rick Davis has
> been
> helpful. But I haven't gotten any answers other than those posted for
> everyone to read here.
>
> There's clearly some disagreement and discomfort with the decision among
> both friends and members, so any light you can shed would be most
> helpful.
>
> I may well join the VAC and WBCCI and work to change things from
> within, but
> that doesn't change the fact that this was, from where I sit, a decision
> unfair to Friends and unhelpful to the VAC. If I'm wrong on that,
> please,
> someone who understands the rationale and how it is fair and helpful,
> explain it.
>
> Greg Hankins
> '76 Trade Wind
Greg,
There are many wonderful benefits to being members of BOTH VAC and
WBCCI. I
continue to question (as have officers I have spoken to regarding this
issue)
why anyone would be opposed to join WBCCI especially as it's what Wally
was
all about. Without the WBCCI, the VAC as it exists today....and growing
rapidly I might add...would not be a moving force WITHIN the WBCCI
membership...those who are not members...why not? The cost is low...for
what
we put into these aluminum lovelies....it's not much to pay to support
the
network...now is it?
Offlist is fine...
Best,
Wendy@3 Peaks Rancho
52,53,57,58,59,60,64,65,79 and a visiting 63:)
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:19:33 -0400
From: "David Turner" <jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: lights
I have a '71 Caravel and the front two reading/spot lights and the
front
overhead [4-bulb] light does not work.It worked last week.I checked the
breakers and the fuses in the fuse box and could not see anything
wrong.Do you have any idea what could be wrong?
Thanks
David Turner
1105 Hancock Drive
Americus, GA 31709
Home Ph. 229-924-8488
Office Ph. 229-937-2567
Office Fx. 229-937-5691
Airstream Web site:
http://www.shockoestudios.com/tractor/library/airstream/airstream.htm
Pedal Tractor Web site: http://www.shockoestudios.com/tractor.htm
Email: jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:47:47 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: '68 Airstream for sale
on 09/21/02 7:38 PM, drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Terry, it must be smaller than a Tradewind because I believe all ' 68
> Tradewinds were all double axle. Mine is. Sounds like a great price if
> it's
> in the condition described. I'm still thinking about that 1955 21' at
> auction tomorrow. If it were not soooo far away ...
Jim,
Go ahead and bid on it. If you win the bid and buy it, ask Rick Davis to
go
fetch it for you. Seeeee - distance is relevant. You might save a few
bucks
by picking it up yourself, but your time is valuable too. Plus, Rick is
set
up to make small work of such jobs.
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:25:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug and Terry Rowbottom <shacksman@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Membership
All I can say about all this is
WallyWallyWallyWallyWallyWallyWallyWallyWallyWallyWally
where are you ?
Doug WBCCI, VAC, 3327
--- Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> We can learn from history - and as it stands now,
> someone is going to have to "step-up," commit to
> being
> a full member, work their way through the ranks to
> the
> VAC presidency, initiate change, and work their way
> a
> WBCCI presidency and initiate change there too.
>
> I believe in the VAC officers, and I'm getting
> closer
> to understanding why things are happening the way
> they
> are because I've asked questions. I'm also trying
> to
> figure out how to help change things in the future.
>
> Apparently this is a big issue - I hope other people
> have been thinking about what they can do to make
> things right as compared to *just* talking about it.
>
> if you're a "friend" of the VAC, you've never had
> voting rights - if you feel like the VAC is heading
> in
> the wrong direction, maybe it's time to *get* voting
> rights?
>
> just a couple of thoughts.
>
> Toby
>
> p.s. I don't think "strong-arm" deserves any space
> on
> VACList emails. It just isn't what's happening.
>
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug and Terry Rowbottom <shacksman@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: insulation
My 67 Safari has spay on insulation as original
equipment and it has held up very well. The floor is
still in perfect condition. It may be that it is a
Canadian thing, as this one was made for the Canadian
market. It seems to be about 2" thick and still clings
tightly to everything.
Doug
--- Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> I think the best you can do in the 3" you've got
> (with
> fiberglass) is R-16. Although there is always that
> "spray" insulation - but according to a contractor
> friend of mine there are different "set" times and
> he
> suggested getting one that sets quickly so that you
> can reduce the expansion factor. wouldn't want to
> be
> popping rivets in the sun.
>
> I suspect, my opinion only - no factual basis, that
> the faster setting spray insulation would not
> insulate
> as well as the slow setting stuff. AND I have no
> basis for the expansion factor. I'll be asking
> around
> on that one this winter.
>
> I wonder if spray insulation would offer weight
> benefits too?
>
> Toby
>
> --- "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> wrote:
>> This may sound crazy, but I took all mine out.
> I've
>> read many posts where
>> water gets into the fiberglass and never dries out
> -
>> to me its just a big
>> spunge. This way when and if water does get in, it
>> will dry quickly and
>> hopefully not cause rot.
>
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:09:22 -0600
From: "Dave Carr" <dcarr@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Membership requirements
I think we are forgetting the purpose of the WBCCI and the VAC
memberships.
They are to help further the organization and its members and the Air
Stream
Trailer. The WBCCI has had a requirement of membership in the parent
organization to be a member in the VAC. If there are those that don't
want
to belong to the WBCCI then they have 2 options in my opinion, Not
belong to
either organization and lose access to the member only portions of the
web
sites, or 2, Join the WBCCI and become active in trying to change the
rules
requiring membership to belong to VAC. I suspect you will have a lot of
resistance including myself.
As to the access to the member only web page, these items were donated
without restriction to the VAC and have become the property of the VAC
and
WBCCI. As far as the comment regarding this information being of little
incentive to recruit members to the VAC or in fact the WBCCI, I for one
can
tell you that they are the main reason I joined the VAC. I have a 1975 31
foot Sovereign that I am restoring as a hobby during my retirement. I
have
no interest in rallies or clubs or other get togethers. I travel in the
winter as a snowbird and drive a 2003 Itasca Suncruiser Motorhome
pulling a
93 Dakota as a towed. During the summer I spend on my farm in my big barn
working on the AS.
The next few years are going to be enough of a challenge to the AS
community
to maintain membership in the WBCCI with the drop in sales of the new AS
trailers. I think we need to tighten up our rules and ensure all members
are
full members of WBCCI and VAC and no exceptions unless there is a change
in
WBCCIs rules and then only with considerable discussion. I echo the other
comment that 80 bucks is not that much and if one cant afford that they
shouldn't be owning an AS new or vintage.
Just my opinion and not aimed at offending anyone.
David Carr
WBCCI 2275
VAC
FMCA
Good Sam Life Member
Benefactor NRA
EAA Century Club
CAF Life Member
----- Original Message -----
From: "VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [VAC]
> Subject: [VAC] Free Membership!
>
> Just in case you all did not know, the WBCCI does offer one years
> membership
> for free. The only catch is that you must have purchased your used
> Airstream
> on or after January 18th 2002. While this does not help those of us who
> purchased our trailers earlier, it will undoubtedly help some of us. If
> you
> are interested feel free to contact me offlist at
> s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
> Monitor Scott
>
>
>
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> Message Number: 16
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:26:26 -0500
> From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: membership - moderation
>
> on 9/21/02 6:55 AM, James Greene at drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
>
>> I doubt that access or not to the "members
>> only" archives is going to be a big membership draw for either the VAC
or
>> for WBCCI membership. My guess is that participating in the VAC
>> rallies,
>> parking in the vintage section at the International (and maybe
Regionals),
>> entering VAC competitions, etc. will be a bigger inducement to be a
>> paid
>> member of VAC and WBCCI. It has been for me.
>>
> Echoes my point. So why not may the rally and caravans schedules,
> reports,
> competition results, and other material clearly linked to WBCCI the
> "Members-only" section, leaving the technical archive open to Friends.
>
> Some of us who are bitten by the bug just like to paw through the kind
> of
> stuff that is in the archive -- that's particularly true of folks in the
> early stage of Airstream fever. For that reason, the archives can be a
draw
> to "outsiders."
>
> Greg Hankins
> '76 Trade Wind
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 07:57:51 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: lights
David Turner wrote:
I have a '71 Caravel and the front two reading/spot lights and the
front overhead [4-bulb] light does not work.It worked last week.I
checked the breakers and the fuses in the fuse box and could not see
anything wrong.Do you have any idea what could be wrong?
Bulbs burned out?
David, I'd try swapping or replacing fuses -- sometimes they open or
the connections fracture that can't be seen and also swap circuit
breakers. Seems pretty unlikely to me that the wiring itself would
develop an open circuit to both light groups just sitting there.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:02:55 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Airstream for sale
Terry, I hadn't considered that possibility but a $3,000 transportation
charge has a chilling effect on my enthusiasm. What to you think would
be a
reasonable bid? Or an unreasonable one?
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Tyler" <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 20:47
Subject: [VAC] Re: '68 Airstream for sale
> Jim,
>
> Go ahead and bid on it. If you win the bid and buy it, ask Rick Davis to
go
> fetch it for you. Seeeee - distance is relevant. You might save a few
bucks
> by picking it up yourself, but your time is valuable too. Plus, Rick is
set
> up to make small work of such jobs.
>
> Terry
>
> mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:10:10 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: insulation
Doug, my ' 68 Tradewind also appears to have spray in insulation under
the
floor. I say appears based on the floor repairs I made. I haven't opened
the
belly pan (yet) for a look underneath but there was foam on the
underside of
the old flooring I pulled up to replace soft or rotten areas. I assume I
have fiberglass in the walls and ceiling. Haven't looked there (yet)
either.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradwind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug and Terry Rowbottom" <shacksman@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 21:31
Subject: [VAC] Re: insulation
> My 67 Safari has spay on insulation as original
> equipment and it has held up very well. The floor is
> still in perfect condition. It may be that it is a
> Canadian thing, as this one was made for the Canadian
> market. It seems to be about 2" thick and still clings
> tightly to everything.
>
> Doug
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:44:49 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Membership requirements
Dave, I (for one) made the comment that the "VAC members only" archives
were
unlikely to be much of an incentive to join the VAC or the WBCCI. If I'm
reading your comment correctly you appear to be saying that access was
the
main reason you joined the VAC. Did you miss the post indicating that
the
material in the "members only" archives pertain to 1960 and earlier
Airstreams? I also speculated that from the discussion on this thread, it
appears to me that some think the public domain archives
(www.tompatterson.com) are affected and will be restricted. Not so. It is
these archives (and not the "members only") archives that have been
helpful
to me in restoring my ' 68 Tradewind and I suspect useful to you in
working
on your ' 75 Sovereign. I'd be surprised if much information about 1960
and
earlier trailers pertained to either of our restoration projects. But I
could be wrong because I've never had occasion to look in the "members
only"
archives.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
WBCCI 1148, VAC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Carr" <dcarr@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 23:09
Subject: [VAC] Re: Membership requirements
>>>>> snip good stuff <<<<<
> As to the access to the member only web page, these items were donated
> without restriction to the VAC and have become the property of the VAC
> and
> WBCCI. As far as the comment regarding this information being of little
> incentive to recruit members to the VAC or in fact the WBCCI, I for one
can
> tell you that they are the main reason I joined the VAC. I have a 1975
> 31
> foot Sovereign that I am restoring as a hobby during my retirement. I
> have
> no interest in rallies or clubs or other get togethers.
>>>>> snip more good stuff <<<<<
> Just my opinion and not aimed at offending anyone.
>
> David Carr
> WBCCI 2275
> VAC
> FMCA
> Good Sam Life Member
> Benefactor NRA
> EAA Century Club
> CAF Life Member
>
>
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:03:22 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: lights
on 09/22/02 7:57 AM, drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
David Turner wrote:
I have a '71 Caravel and the front two reading/spot lights and the front
overhead [4-bulb] light does not work.It worked last week.I checked the
breakers and the fuses in the fuse box and could not see anything
wrong.Do
you have any idea what could be wrong?
Bulbs burned out?
David, I'd try swapping or replacing fuses -- sometimes they open or the
connections fracture that can't be seen and also swap circuit breakers.
Seems pretty unlikely to me that the wiring itself would develop an open
circuit to both light groups just sitting there. Jim Greene
David, did you plug in a circuit tester (with the little led lights which
tell if there's an open neutral, etc.) to make sure all is well in that
department? As Jim said, it's unlikely to be the problem, but you know
how
to spell the word "ass u me" - right?. Many of us have had our share of
false assumptions (and then some). I've included a cut and paste of my
latest "face turning red" faux pas.
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
----------------------
According to my diagnostic test lamp, there was an "open neutral" in the
system. Being somewhat cocky about it, I figured it was nothing more
than a
loose white wire in one of the wall outlets. While piling up the miles
and
boondocking most nights, there was no need to connect our pigtail to a
campground utility box - thus, no rush to solve that issue immediately.
We
could concentrate on chugging along across the continent.
One very windy afternoon in Kansas, we stopped early and I dug out my
multi-tester to began searching for the outlet without continuity. With a
cavalier attitude, I thought, "This should be simple enough." Ha!!
Several days later (in Colorado) and still not finding the elusive
wire, I
decided to get serious about this search and stop thinking of it as an
after
dinner romp.
Each of five (out of six) wall outlets were opened and all nuts
tightened.
While at it, I used my flashlight (with new batteries) to look at each of
the screws holding the wires in place. All screws were tight and all
surfaces at each screw were shiny. I thought I had looked all the outlets
and was still baffled.
Rationalizing, I thought, "We don't need 120 volt power anyway. The solar
panels are more than adequate for our power needs." But, the problem kept
nagging me. The next afternoon, I remembered the 1967 Airstream manual
that
came with the trailer. Digging it out, I added up the wall outlets and
counted six. Elation set in as I opened the sixth outlet (under the
gaucho
next to the refrigerator).
Voila` - there it was. Not only a loose wire, but a crusted over screw to
boot. That meant this was the culprit and was an old problem just waiting
for an opportunity to require my attention.
In my stash box was an exact brand new replacement electrical outlet
(price
tag of 37 cents was on it from17 years ago). Ten minutes later, I had it
installed and my test gauge read OK. Everything was back to normal.
Two lessons learned:
1 - Check the screws holding the wires in ALL the outlets MORE OFTEN THAN
NEVER. <grin>
2 - Being cocky and having a cavalier attitude isn't necessarily the best
way to approach solving simple problems. Sometimes I eat crow. This was
one
of those occasions.
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:07:33 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: lights
The reading and overhead 4 bulb lights are most likely on 12 volts, not
120 volts. There could be a wire broken, but most likely its a fuse.
Could be a loose connection, might even be one that hasn't been
accessible since the lining was installed. It takes a test light or a
voltmeter to find fuses with hairline cracks. The 12 volt fuses are in a
different location from the 120 volt circuit breakers, probably on the
Univolt or its replacement.
Gerald J.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:25:23 -0700
From: "Jack Honeycutt" <jhoneycutt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Airstream for sale
At 08:02 AM 9/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> Terry, I hadn't considered that possibility but a $3,000 transportation
> charge has a chilling effect on my enthusiasm. What to you think would
> be a
> reasonable bid? Or an unreasonable one?
Big "car lot" type RV lots quote me $1,000.00 to drop off any trailer I
buy
any place in the USA, but not Alaska or Hawaii.
Several have given me the same figure.
I hope this helps.
jack
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:48:23 -0500
From: "Todd McDonald" <tod47d@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Airstream in a tornado?
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>Our vulnerable little Safari
did just fine 3-4 miles from and F3or4 tornado here in Southside
Naptown. One of our friends home was totalled and her car looks like a
stunt double from a Terminator T3 movie! D<DIV> I told Marlo
the best place ould be in her moms' big old log cabin's laundry space,
but she wanted to stay with the cats in the Airstream. (I think
she's crazier than me sometimes) but told her the best place
would be above the<DIV>My homeless,shoeless friend said " I knew
things were going bad when my neighbor's burner barrel came flying
through my front door at about fifty miles per hour!" Fortunate in
Indy tod47d</DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Chat with frien
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:53:17 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Airstream for sale
Thanks, Jack. The figures I have heard for independent contractors to
haul a
trailer on a flat bed start at $1/mile.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Honeycutt" <jhoneycutt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 11:25
Subject: [VAC] Re: '68 Airstream for sale
> At 08:02 AM 9/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Terry, I hadn't considered that possibility but a $3,000 transportation
>> charge has a chilling effect on my enthusiasm. What to you think would
>> be
a
>> reasonable bid? Or an unreasonable one?
>
> Big "car lot" type RV lots quote me $1,000.00 to drop off any trailer I
buy
> any place in the USA, but not Alaska or Hawaii.
>
> Several have given me the same figure.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> jack
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:02:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Airstream in a tornado?
As much as I like Airstreams, there ain't a single
good place to be in one during a tornado.
a tip though - you have a better chance of surviving a
tornado in an Airstream if it's not parked in a
trailer park. Tornados ALWAYS go to the trailer park
first. don't ask me why.
Toby
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Message Number: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:44:07 -0700
From: "Cheri Sicard" <cheri@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Cabover Camper
I do know that Avion made a cabover camper. Back in my circus days, I
knew
a bandleader that had one. It was a great design, aerodynamic and very
space efficient inside. Expterior looked just like an Avion. The last
time
I saw one was in the early 80s. That's the only one I ever saw.
All the best,
Cheri
Cheri Sicard
Author: The Great American Handbook: What You Can Do For Your Country
Today
and Every Day
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Message Number: 18
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:47:32 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Canada FC auction
Five'll get you ten the trailer doesn't have any self-contained systems
at all judging by the lack of black water tank under the toilet, no gas
hot water heater and the 110v only Marvel refer. Buyer probably planned
on hook-ups while traveling. Bet no water pressure system & 110v only
lamps, too.
Hope someone gets it and reports back to the list.
RJ
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 05:02 AM, James Greene wrote:
> Terry, I hadn't considered that possibility but a $3,000 transportation
> charge has a chilling effect on my enthusiasm. What to you think would
> be a
> reasonable bid? Or an unreasonable one?
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
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Message Number: 19
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:49:54 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Airstream in a tornado? or Severe weather awareness while
camping.
Todd, when the tornado tosses trees, cars, trucks and the occasional
combine about as straws in the wind, and then often smashes them into
bare recognizable crumples of debris, being IN an Airstream in the path
of a tornado is to turn that Airstream into a coffin. Tornados do vary
in strength and coverage. Sometimes a few feet makes the difference
between total destruction and slight damage. However the first tornado I
saw live cleaned a path bare to the ground a mile wide for about 20
miles on the ground.
Since than I've become a trained severe weather spotter to better
anticipate such conditions.
At severe weather conferences (where my clients hawk some of my software
products) meteorologists doing a survey of damage tend to joke that
"trailer parks cause tornadoes." I don't agree. However trailer parks
tend to suffer complete destruction when neighboring houses are only
damaged slightly. As an engineer, I believe that comes from the
substandard structural strength of the typical mobile home (certainly
I've found the thin materials burn excessively rapidly in fires)
accompanied by a general lack of foundations and laxity by mobile home
owners attending to secure tieing down of their homes. So it doesn't
take much of a wind to blow a mobile home off its pedestals or jacks and
to start rolling it across the yard. By the second quarter turn the
structure breaks into kindling. That takes only 80 or 90 mph winds, a
wind speed that often comes from thunderstorm down bursts without
rotation.
When camping, it is important to keep track of weather. Today, once you
learn to understand Igor, one of the best sources are NWS (National
Weather Service) radio stations. Igor is one of the synthesized voices
who has voice quality a little less than perfect. There are many more
such weather radio stations today than there were three or four years
ago, spread among the frequencies of 162.400, 162.425, 162.450, 162.475,
162.500, 162.525 and 162.550. I wish for an automobile type radio that
covers these. So far I only know of two factory radios, one for Cadillac
and one for an import SUV that offer such capabilities. In my truck, my
2 meter ham rig has that capability. Jensen makes a marine AM/FM
cassette with weather but only three frequencies out of the 7. Radio
Shack had an AM/FM/CD with all the channels a couple years ago. I've not
been willing to pay for the CD option.
I found a FRS (Family Radio Service) handi-talkie with FM broadcast and
weather that I've been carrying just for the weather. I also found a
Sony AM/FM/TV/Cassette Walkman with weather band that isn't as sensitive
as the FRS radio, but it has worked on my last two trips also. The
aluminum shell of the Airstream makes for a great loss of radio
sensitivity. That's why I wish a car radio installation to use the
external antenna.
Severe weather warnings are on NWS weather radio stations these days
BEFORE they are on broadcast radio and TV. The only way I know to find
out about storms earlier is to be out spotting supplying the NWS with
visual information confirming their radar observations. I do that. There
is a ham station in the NWS office and I can ASK them directly what's
coming.
Gerald J.
--
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Message Number: 20
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:07:07 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: lights
Hi David,
Did you check for a proper grounded wire and power in the hot lead to
the light? Loose connections get hot, corrode, etc.
My '74 Argosy uses the shell as ground for all fixtures. :( The '69
Safari uses ground wires! :)
Hope this points you in the right direction,
Regards, Joy
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:55:05 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: insulation
Hi Doug,
Like your '67, my '69 Safari has urethane foam. As you know, the
trailers
are flipped upside down at the factory during manufacture and it's a
simple
matter to spray foam on the plywood. Unfortunately, when you begin floor
repairs and other activities inside the belly, the foam must be removed.
Also, under the normal circumstance, the foam deteriorates after a
number of
years. I've yet to determine a way to use contemporary foam insulation
in a
can to replace the removed sections. Best I can do is to use a support
close to the floor, like Styrofoam insulation and spray the urethane
insulation in between to make a sandwich. Otherwise, I'd just use fiber
glass bats, preferably the block type as I don't think the roll stuff is
worth using in the belly. Vermin really tears it up and in a short
while,
it's all down against the belly and holds the water against the
frame/outriggers, etc. as in my '74 Argosy.
You'll note that polyurethane foams were used in the late 60s for home
insulation, right up to the time someone found out that high levels of
formaldehyde were released from the curing foam. Formaldehyde can cause
many health problems and blindness is one pretty important consideration.
Don't know the properties of modern urethane foams. The glues and paints
are super tough and should have a place in Airstream restoration.
Anyway,
the formaldehyde problem forced it's ban for in-place foam home
insulation
(would carry to travel trailers). Don't think it was a Canadian thing,
just
a passing phase of Airstream construction.
Regards,
Joy
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:33:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joel Wilcox <jdubikins@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Introduction and A/C Question
Hello everyone. I am a newbie on the list, lurking for
about a month. My name is Joel Wilcox, I live in Iowa
City, IA and have taken over my parents 1966
Overlander as my dad feels he is no longer able to
keep up with it. My parents purchased their A/S in
1968 when it was still quite new. I'm a little
handier than my dad at fixing things, and so I've had
plenty to do. I have many, many questions, but I
promise to ask only one at a time. You all are used
to this, but you would not believe how much I have
learned on this list in the last month. Wow!
The A/C on this trailer is original AFAIK. It hadn't
been used in 2 years and needed a charge before we
went out on a little vacation to NE Iowa in early
August. But then it became obvious that there were
other problems. Inside the coach, it was sagging
profoundly toward the rear-starboard side (opposite
the drain hose). The inside portion appears to be
riveted solely to the interior panel in most places,
and what rivets there were which had been in metal had
broken, especially on the starboard side, which is why
it was hanging askew. I renewed all those rivets and
then fixed stringers on both sides of the pan to
straighten it up.
Today I have just gotten up on top to check things
topside and discovered that the material that seals
the coolant lines going in and out from the compressor
to the inner coils had completely disintegrated.
What is this sealing material? It looks to me like
plumbers putty. In fact, it looks like an entire pint
of plumbers putty as used. I am pretty certain that
water has been coming in past this seal and is
probably the source of the problems I've been having
with the sagging of the interior pan portion. I've
got to replace this seal, pronto. I'm inclined to use
something like fiberized Black Jack, but I would like
to make sure the seal is repaired correctly.
Thanks for any help!
Joel W.
1966 Overlander
Tow: 1987 GMC Vandura 2500
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Subject: [VAC] Re: Cabover Camper
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I do know that Avion made a cabover camper. Back in my circus days, I
knew
a bandleader that had one. It was a great design, aerodynamic and very
space efficient inside. Expterior looked just like an Avion. The last
time
I saw one was in the early 80s. That's the only one I ever saw.
All the best,
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From: James Greene <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: '68 Airstream for sale
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Terry, I hadn't considered that possibility but a $3,000 transportation
charge has a chilling effect on my enthusiasm. What to you think would
be a
reasonable bid? Or an unreasonable one?
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "Terry Tyler" <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 20:47
Subject: [VAC] Re: '68 Airstream for sale
> Jim,
>
> Go ahead and bid on it. If you win the bid and buy it, ask Rick Davis to
go
> fetch it for you. Seeeee - distance is relevant. You might save a few
bucks
> by picking it up yourself, but your time is valuable too. Plus, Rick is
set
> up to make small work of such jobs.
>
> Terry
>
> mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
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Subject: [VAC] Re: Membership requirements
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I think we are forgetting the purpose of the WBCCI and the VAC
memberships.
They are to help further the organization and its members and the Air
Stream
Trailer. The WBCCI has had a requirement of membership in the parent
organization to be a member in the VAC. If there are those that don't
want
to belong to the WBCCI then they have 2 options in my opinion, Not
belong to
either organization and lose access to the member only portions of the
web
sites, or 2, Join the WBCCI and become active in trying to change the
rules
requiring membership to belong to VAC. I suspect you will have a lot of
resistance including myself.
As to the access to the member only web page, these items were donated
without restriction to the VAC and have become the property of the VAC
and
WBCCI. As far as the comment regarding this information being of little
incentive to recruit members to the VAC or in fact the WBCCI, I for one
can
tell you that they are the main reason I joined the VAC. I have a 1975 31
foot Sovereign that I am restoring as a hobby during my retirement. I
have
no interest in rallies or clubs or other get togethers. I travel in the
winter as a snowbird and drive a 2003 Itasca Suncruiser Motorhome
pulling a
93 Dakota as a towed. During the summer I spend on my farm in my big barn
working on the AS.
The next few years are going to be enough of a challenge to the AS
community
to maintain membership in the WBCCI with the drop in sales of the new AS
trailers. I think we need to tighten up our rules and ensure all members
are
full members of WBCCI and VAC and no exceptions unless there is a change
in
WBCCIs rules and then only with considerable discussion. I echo the other
comment that 80 bucks is not that much and if one cant afford that they
shouldn't be owning an AS new or vintage.
Just my opinion and not aimed at offending anyone.
David Carr
WBCCI 2275
VAC
FMCA
Good Sam Life Member
Benefactor NRA
EAA Century Club
CAF Life Member
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Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [VAC]
> Subject: [VAC] Free Membership!
>
> Just in case you all did not know, the WBCCI does offer one years
> membership
> for free. The only catch is that you must have purchased your used
> Airstream
> on or after January 18th 2002. While this does not help those of us who
> purchased our trailers earlier, it will undoubtedly help some of us. If
> you
> are interested feel free to contact me offlist at
> s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
> Monitor Scott
>
>
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> Message Number: 16
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:26:26 -0500
> From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: membership - moderation
>
> on 9/21/02 6:55 AM, James Greene at drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
>
>> I doubt that access or not to the "members
>> only" archives is going to be a big membership draw for either the VAC
or
>> for WBCCI membership. My guess is that participating in the VAC
>> rallies,
>> parking in the vintage section at the International (and maybe
Regionals),
>> entering VAC competitions, etc. will be a bigger inducement to be a
>> paid
>> member of VAC and WBCCI. It has been for me.
>>
> Echoes my point. So why not may the rally and caravans schedules,
> reports,
> competition results, and other material clearly linked to WBCCI the
> "Members-only" section, leaving the technical archive open to Friends.
>
> Some of us who are bitten by the bug just like to paw through the kind
> of
> stuff that is in the archive -- that's particularly true of folks in the
> early stage of Airstream fever. For that reason, the archives can be a
draw
> to "outsiders."
>
> Greg Hankins
> '76 Trade Wind
>
>
>
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From: tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: lights
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on 09/22/02 7:57 AM, drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">David Turner wrote:<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><B>I have a '71 Caravel and the front two
reading=
/spot lights and the front overhead [4-bulb] light does not work.It
worked l=
ast week.I checked the breakers and the fuses in the fuse box and could
not =
see anything wrong.Do you have any idea what could be wrong?<BR>
</B> <BR>
Bulbs<B> </B>burned out?<BR>
<BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">David, I'd try swapping or
replacing fuse=
s -- sometimes they open or the connections fracture that can't be seen
and =
also swap circuit breakers. Seems pretty unlikely to me that the wiring
itse=
lf would develop an open circuit to both light groups just sitting
there. Ji=
m Greene<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
</FONT>David, did you plug in a circuit tester (with the little led
lights =
which tell if there's an open neutral, etc.) to make sure all is well in
tha=
t department? As Jim said, it's unlikely to be the problem, but you know
how=
to spell the word "ass u me" - right?. Many of us have
had =
our share of false assumptions (and then some). I've included a
cut an=
d paste of my latest "face turning red" faux pas. <BR>
<BR>
Terry<BR>
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net<BR>
----------------------<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE>According to my diagnostic test lamp, there was an
"open =
neutral" in the system. Being somewhat cocky about it, I figured it
was=
nothing more than a loose white wire in one of the wall outlets. While
pili=
ng up the miles and boondocking most nights, there was no need to
connect ou=
r pigtail to a campground utility box - thus, no rush to solve that
issue im=
mediately. We could concentrate on chugging along across the continent.
<BR>
<BR>
One very windy afternoon in Kansas, we stopped early and I dug out my
multi=
-tester to began searching for the outlet without continuity. With a
cavalie=
r attitude, I thought, "This should be simple enough." Ha!!<BR>
<BR>
Several days later (in Colorado) and still not finding the elusive wire,
I =
decided to get serious about this search and stop thinking of it as an
after=
dinner romp. <BR>
<BR>
Each of five (out of six) wall outlets were opened and all nuts
tightened. =
While at it, I used my flashlight (with new batteries) to look at each
of th=
e screws holding the wires in place. All screws were tight and all
surfaces =
at each screw were shiny. I thought I had looked all the outlets and was
sti=
ll baffled. <BR>
<BR>
Rationalizing, I thought, "We don't need 120 volt power anyway. The
so=
lar panels are more than adequate for our power needs." But, the
proble=
m kept nagging me. The next afternoon, I remembered the 1967 Airstream
manua=
l that came with the trailer. Digging it out, I added up the wall
outlets an=
d counted six. Elation set in as I opened the sixth outlet (under the
gaucho=
next to the refrigerator). <BR>
<BR>
Voila` - there it was. Not only a loose wire, but a crusted over screw
to b=
oot. That meant this was the culprit and was an old problem just waiting
for=
an opportunity to require my attention. <BR>
<BR>
In my stash box was an exact brand new replacement electrical outlet
(price=
tag of 37 cents was on it from17 years ago). Ten minutes later, I had
it in=
stalled and my test gauge read OK. Everything was back to normal. <BR>
<BR>
Two lessons learned: <BR>
<BR>
1 - Check the screws holding the wires in ALL the outlets MORE OFTEN
THAN N=
EVER. <grin><BR>
<BR>
2 - Being cocky and having a cavalier attitude isn't necessarily the
best w=
ay to approach solving simple problems. Sometimes I eat crow. This was
one o=
f those occasions. <BR>
<BR>
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:38:17 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Airstream in a tornado? or Severe weather awareness while
camping.
At 11:49 AM 9/22/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> Todd, when the tornado tosses trees, cars, trucks and the occasional
> combine about as straws in the wind, and then often smashes them into
> bare recognizable crumples of debris, being IN an Airstream in the path
> of a tornado is to turn that Airstream into a coffin. [snip]
Um...Gerald, I think Todd told his S.O., Marlo, that the AS was
not the place to be, but she insisted on staying in the AS with the
cats. His question was, basically, if you've just GOT to be in the AS,
where in it is the best place to be? That beats me, but with your
extensive training and interests, perhaps you could also address that
question.
Regarding the effect of tornados on trailer parks, I think
you've
hit the nail right on the head - it's the poor construction practices.
- Dick
(5368)
"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is
over.
Why should you and I?"
-Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
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Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
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Message Number: 28
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From: cheri@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Cabover Camper
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:44:07 -0700
From: Cheri Sicard <cheri@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Cabover Camper
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I do know that Avion made a cabover camper. Back in my circus days, I
knew
a bandleader that had one. It was a great design, aerodynamic and very
space efficient inside. Expterior looked just like an Avion. The last
time
I saw one was in the early 80s. That's the only one I ever saw.
All the best,
Cheri
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:45:59 -0700
From: Jeffrey Engle <bedheads@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Old WBCCI numbers...
Hi, again
This is just another note from "another non-member" again, these
days I'm sure aware of it. My wife and I are seriously thinking of
getting our WBCCI membership although it may take a little while because
we're waiting till we are actually on the road so we can take advantage
of all the perks. My question, has anyone ever heard of getting the same
numbers as the trailer had before, so I could cover up the old sticker
marks? The old stickers took the clear coat right off when I tried to
remove them. Also, does anyone know when the 2003 international rally is
going to be and where? I seem to be having trouble finding the
information on the web site. We are full-timers and wish to belong to
the "Airstream Full-Timers Club" but when I checked out the site, the
only thing I found "in clear language" was how to send the bucks in!
Anybody know about it's benefits? Also we're trying to make heads or
tails out of all the talk about "membership". Will we still be able to
get these neat VAClist emails? and if not, which one of the clubs do I
join to get them ? I was under the impression that I joined the VAC
before I could get the "List" Maybe I'll go check out the VAC site again
for further details...More clubs....more membership.....more money....
Sincerely, "another member-to-be"
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Message Number: 30
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:04:20 -0600
From: "Maxwell" <maxwell@insideout-design.net>
Subject: Re: Old WBCCI numbers...
It's my understanding that as long as the numbers aren't currently
assigned to someone else, you can request them and may be able to use
them. The other idea I've heard of is folks who can't get the exact
number is substituting similar shaped numbers (i.e. 8 for a 3 or 6) at
least to make the discoloration less noticeable.
Shari Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter - "Maxwell"
WBCCI #1824, VAC
www.insideout-design.net/maxwell
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Message Number: 31
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:21:21 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Old WBCCI numbers...
Jeffrey Engle wrote:
> Hi, again
> This is just another note from "another non-member" again, these days
> I'm sure aware of it. My wife and I are seriously thinking of getting
> our WBCCI membership although it may take a little while because we're
> waiting till we are actually on the road s
When we bought our first Airstream we joined WBCCI even though we had no
tow vehicle. We day tripped to several rallies sans rig and attended
winter dinner meetings. Were welcomed graciously at all functions.
Most VAC rallies also have an "Open House" w
> My question, has anyone ever heard of getting the same numbers as the
> trailer had before, so I could cover up the old sticker marks?
Contact International, they will routinely issue the original number if
it is not in use by another member.
> The old stickers took the clear coat right off when I tried to remove
> them. Also, does anyone know when the 2003 international rally is going
> to be and where?
Always scheduled for the week ending 4 July (Wally Byam's birthday),
next year in Vermont.
> I seem to be having trouble finding the information on the web site. We
> are full-timers and wish to belong to the "Airstream Full-Timers Club"
> but when I checked out the site, the only thing I found "in clear
> language" was how to send the bucks in! Anyb
VAC list is open to general public, there is a special section for
certain technical archives, as well as "johndoe@xxxxxxxxxx.net" email
address which is only available to members.
> and if not, which one of the clubs do I join to get them ? I was under
> the impression that I joined the VAC before I could get the "List"
> Maybe I'll go check out the VAC site again for further details...More
> clubs....more membership.....more money.... S
Really can't go wrong joining both WBCCI and VAC.
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 32
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:46:46 -0700
From: Paul Farley <farley@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Canada FC auction
I'd still take it but not for the $$ I know was bid! (rhymes with plenty
bland)
Radioman: I bought a real clean tube radio at the swap today Sylvania
model #
568 , works decent.
http://www.geocities.com/Old_Radio_Pictures/locate/radio-
pictures/sylvania-568.jpg
What do you know boss? DOB?
Webmaster wrote:
> Five'll get you ten the trailer doesn't have any self-contained systems
> at all judging by the lack of black water tank under the toilet, no gas
> hot water heater and the 110v only Marvel refer. Buyer probably planned
> on hook-ups while traveling. Bet no water pressure system & 110v only
> lamps, too.
>
> Hope someone gets it and reports back to the list.
>
> RJ
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 05:02 AM, James Greene wrote:
>
>> Terry, I hadn't considered that possibility but a $3,000 transportation
>> charge has a chilling effect on my enthusiasm. What to you think would
>> be a
>> reasonable bid? Or an unreasonable one?
>>
>> Jim Greene
>> ' 68 Tradewind
>>
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Message Number: 33
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:51:06 -0700
From: Paul Farley <farley@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Canada FC auction
My apoligies to the list, I accidently sent a personal email to all.
Please excuse my mistake.
Thanks.
Paul
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