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VACList DigestVACList-Digest Saturday, September 21, 2002 Issue 432
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Online Library access
2. VAC List, etc..
3. Re: VAC Membership
4. The "History Of WBCCI" Story
5. Re: membership - moderation
6. Re: Online Library access
7. Re: Changes in Membership Status
8. Re: General Converter questions. was: Battery Chargers and care
9. Airstream style truck camper spotted
10. Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
11. Membership
12. Re: membership - moderation
13. Re: membership - moderation
14. Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
15. Re: Free Membership!
16. Re: membership - moderation
17. insulation
18. air conditioner
19. Re: insulation
20. Snowbird itinerary
21. Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
22. Re: Snowbird itinerary
23. RV Electrical for the studious reader (in my case: for dummies)
24. Re: Membership
25. Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
26. Re: insulation
27. Re: insulation
28. Re: Membership
29. 1955 21 footer auctions tomoorow
30. Re: air conditioner
31. Re: Spray insulation + mice
32. Re: air conditioner
33. Re: RV Electrical for the studious reader (in my case: for dummies)
34. Re: Spray insulation + mice
35. It is a Cayo
36. Re: insulation
37. 16-18 footer awning
38. '68 Airstream for sale
39. Re: '68 Airstream for sale
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Message Number: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:11:14 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Online Library access
Um, err.. Is it possible that the VAC Archives are being confused with
Tom Patterson's Archives ?
The Vac Archives are scanned or copied materials about Airstreams.
Tom Patterson's Archives are email postings to the VAC list, arranged in
a searchable database.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Tom's inestimably valuable work of
organizing the collective words of this list will continue to be free
whether or not you are a member of WBCCI. Tom may wake up suddenly and
decide he is sitting on a gold mine, but until then.
As a teacher I would like to say that access to information should be
free or as nearly free as we can make it.
Daisy
Roger Hightower wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:08 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Online Library access
>
>> I would like to see the VAC Library for technical data open for all to
>> see
>> with no password.
>>
>> Most of the materials there are or can be contributed by visitors of
>> this
>> list or the VAC website. Many people can and have scanned their
>> manuals,
>> and other documentation that they gain with their vintage purchase. So
> this
>> portion of the library is made up from material freely given. I don't
> think
>> the VAC should then turn around and charge for it.
>>
>
> Want to guess how many Friends or non-members contributed materials?
> I'll
> bet RJ or Fred will say it was Zero.
>
>> This would greatly limit insentive for visitors to contribute what they
> may
>> have.
>
> See above.
>
>>
>> I don't think it helps the restoration of vintage airstreams to keep
>> these
>> documents hidden. The main goal is to help preserve these wonderful
>> trailers.
>
> True, BUT....if you own something other than a 1960's or earlier
> Airstream,
> you're out of luck because the material isn't there. Owners/Maintenance
> manuals are available from Secretarial Services and any Airstreamer
> should
> have one for their particular rig.
>
> If I recall correctly, the original complaint in this matter was
> written by
> someone who owns a 1976 model. There is nothing in the archives to help
> there. Tom Patterson's archives would be a better resource, and you
> don't
> have to be a VAC member to access that.
>
>>
>> I could see a charge for viewing the past newsletter archive since it
>> is a
>> present colaboration.
>
> I have them all, and I can tell you that there isn't a whole lot of
> technical info there. Fun reading, though.
>
> So, I guess the complaint boils down to plain old not wanting to join
> the
> WBCCI. I'm like Randy Unter....I don't particularly like that, and have
> only been to one WBCCI Rally, but it worth the cost of a couple of
> six-packs
> of Sprite a month to get to be a full member of the VAC. That's about
> all
> it really costs, and if someone can't afford that, they really
> shouldn't be
> trying to maintain a vintage rig.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
> Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 2
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:19:44 -0700
From: Bill Worden <fantods@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: VAC List, etc..
A couple of points:
The VAC List Archive exists due to two conditions: People contribute their
"work product," id est, their acumulated knowledge and speculation to the
email file which we all can read. This material is then archived and
stored.
I, for one, am happy to share my knowledge freely (for what it's worth),
but past a reasonable fee to cover the cost of maintaining the emails as an
archive,
I resent anyone charging others to see what I have donated for the common
good.
There needs to be some adjustment in the posture of the parent
organization. The List should be the list only and charged accordingly and
appropriately. Other benfits and other charges should be separate
categories. I have no desire to pay the overhead of the entire
organization, both National and Local when my only interest is in enjoying
and maintaining my own Airstream. The parent WBCCI is attempting to see and
enforce a common interest where no such thing exists. Many list subscribers
do have a shared interest in other WBCCI activities, but many do not. Why
does it have to be all or nothing? Being able to pick and choose benefits
according to interest should not threaten anyone.
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:19:08 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: VAC Membership
Ken Johansen (5358; 59 Traveler; 75 Tradewind) writes:
> Those who are not willing to pay WBCCI dues are being
> subsidized by those who are if those who are not paying get the sames
> services and benefits as those who are.
By way of a historical perspective, RJ Dial writes:
> As I understand it, the change to exclude
> "Friends" is a way to provide more value for the core WBCCI/VAC
> membership classification.
<snip>
> The VAC does not have any money yet invested in the library, as most of
> what is there is from my personal collection and items sent to my
> non-VAC website. That is about to change soon as the VAC Historian has
> a budget to purchase documents that can be scanned and placed into the
> online library.
I'm pretty sure following the money trail shouldn't become the exclusive
focus of this discussion, but a number of folks, including Membership Chair
Wayne Moore, have raised concerns about dollars and cents.
Mr. Johansen's argument that WBCCI dues-payers are subsidizing Friends
would only seem applicable in the case of rallies and caravans, where
liability insurance and organizational costs come into play, but not, if
RJ's history is correct, in terms of the website content.
If there's no VAC money in the website's technical content, then it seems
unlikely there's any WBCCI money in there either.
Moreover, Friends last year paid $10, the same as VAC dues for full
members. And this year we will pay $20, the same as full VAC members. So
there would appear to have been no subsidization of Friends, so far as the
VAC budget is concerned, at all. Even now that the VAC historian has a
budget to purchase materials, Friends will still be paying the same freight
- so far as the VAC budget is concerned - as full members. Again, there is
no subsidy.
Contrary to Mr. Johansen's impression, Friends who agree with the position
that I have forwarded are not asking for access to the website's technical
content "for free." We simply would like to have restored a privilege that
has been ours for the past couple of years.
RJ's post has also made it clear that the leadership in charge when the
members-only technical section was created was interested in excluding only
the general web-browsing public, not Friends, who were "paying $10." This
undercuts the argument that "it was always that way in the rules/charter."
While it is true that being a full VAC member has always meant being a
WBCCI
member, it is also apparently true that, until the recent decision, being a
VAC Friend has always meant having access to the website technical library.
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
--
Greg Hankins ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Happy Hank's Honey House Mt. Gilead, NC
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Message Number: 4
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:20:31 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: The "History Of WBCCI" Story
Just went onto the www.wbcci.org site. Though I had read the story in
the "Blue Beret", it was far better with all old pictures, etc... If
you have not had the chance to look at it online, you should.
Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC 1270
66 Overlander
70 23'LY single
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:28:15 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: membership - moderation
on 9/20/02 1:49 PM, Scott Scheuermann at s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net
wrote:
> Folks,
>
> While the monitors will allow this discussion to continue a while longer
> please remember insults/attacks will not be tolerated.
> snip
> On a related note, I suggest that you contact Wayne directly. HE IS THE
> ONE
> that can get something done about changing this situation.
> wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Thanks again to the moderators for tolerating the conversation. It may be
that it has run its course. I have contacted Mr. Moore and encourage others
of like mind to do so. It wouldn't hurt to contact other officers as well.
It is my understanding that the VAC board can reverse the decision to
exclude Friends from the archives if they chose to do so. They will be
motivated to take such an action only if they are convinced that many of us
-- Friends and Members -- feel closing the web archives was a mistake.
I would be grateful if other friends or members who share my concerns but
have held on to their two cents rather than risk being flamed would contact
me directly. While it will eventually be of no more use to continue the
conversation here, I think it is important for us to continue the
conversation with the VAC leadership in a unified manner with the hope of
having this ill-advised decision reversed.
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
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Message Number: 6
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:48:27 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Re: Online Library access
After I paid my Friends membership to get the password for the members only
area of the VAC website, I was frankly disappointed.
The amount of archive technical data was very limited. I then just decided
that my membership fee was more of a donation to the VAC cause and that help
ease the feelings.
Something happens when people have to pay for a service. They expect a
certain value level. And a say so in what they recieve.
If the technical data was collected by people freely giving their copies,
scans, etc.., then I feel it should be equally shared freely. If some
material were paid for then a donation can be made for the purchase and the
freedom of information can still exist.
What point is it to keep the technical data away from those who need it.
If people can get help, (in the form of free techical archives) they can see
the value of the VAC and perhaps may join.
If the VAC is holding on to the technical data area of the website as
something to offer because it offers little elsewhere, that is a problem
itself. Again, the technical data is lacking.
If someone pays they expect a certain value. The newsletter and newsletter
archives could be a value to pay for, but in my opinion they need to be
improved in quailty and qaunity.
I would offer a pdf of the my '71 Safari owners manual if it would be
availble to whom ever needs it.
For the record I did contribute a movie of this years rally in CA for the
VAC website.
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 7
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:57:53 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Randy Unter
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Changes in Membership Status
"If we were to pull out of the WBCCI and form our own club and maintain
these quality services plus other needed services, like liability
insurance (otherwise-no rallies), our dues would be greater than the
WBCCI, local, and VAC combined. If you think about $20/year for dues
with this level of service, where else could you buy that? "
But, Randy, in order to belong to the VAC, with all the membership
perks, the total cost is $80.00 per year...$60.00 to WBCCI and the
local, and $20.00 to the VAC.
" How's $80-90 VAC dues sound as an alternative."
Much better, from my point of view, as the VAC would get all the funds.
Bob Hightower
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Message Number: 8
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:45:12 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: General Converter questions. was: Battery Chargers and care
AC to DC can be called a converter, its also called a power supply or a
battery charger.
Within reason because of cost, weight, and volume the more and larger
the batteries the better.
The solar panel(s) need a charge controller to prevent overcharging the
batteries, and sometimes to take better advantage of the sun when its on
the weak side. There are marginal situations where the solar panel(s)
won't create enough voltage to charge the battery, but there are
controllers that will boost the voltage to charge the battery. These
cost extra but improve the performance of any set of solar panel(s). It
may be that the improvement won't pay for the gadget however. Still a
voltage limiting solar panel regulator is needed to protect the battery
from overcharging. That solar regulator also disconnects the solar
panel(s) so they don't do any battery discharging.
The book recommended about RV solar should explain in greater detail.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:53:57 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Airstream style truck camper spotted
I saw one today in Boone, Iowa, on Division Street just south of the UP
main line crossing (and that's just south of the Boone and Scenic Valley
RR depot), on a truck with a for sale sign in the truck windshield. I
might go look closer when not needing to get somewhere, if there's
interest. Might take a camera.
Gerald J.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:24:45 -0600
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
Those were made by Avion, were they not? I'd be interested in finding out
about it. I'll be passing through Iowa again in late October...
Tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: [VAC] Airstream style truck camper spotted
> I saw one today in Boone, Iowa, on Division Street just south of the UP
> main line crossing (and that's just south of the Boone and Scenic Valley
> RR depot), on a truck with a for sale sign in the truck windshield. I
> might go look closer when not needing to get somewhere, if there's
> interest. Might take a camera.
>
> Gerald J.
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:55:07 -0700
From: "Kathy Hunt" <khunt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Membership
Originally Wally allowed all makes trailers on his caravans hoping they
would see the advantage of the Airstream. Even he found that was not true
and discontinued the practice.
Should we take that experience into the conditions today? Wally was a very
good PR man as well as a good business man. He could see where it was
going. Why can't we learn from history?
Kathy
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 05:29:12 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: membership - moderation
It seems to me that any organization must offer some value for its membership
fee. That value may be tangible (magazines, emblems, gatherings and affairs,
etc.) or intangible (camaraderie, mutual interest, mutual benefit, etc.) If the
fee is similar to all classes of membership, then the services should be similar
as well. If the offered value is not used by the member, that is the member's
choice. If the offered value is to be less for a class of membership (or
subscription) then the fee should be adjusted to reflect the level of offered
value.
As a member of WBCCI and the VAC intra-club I avail myself of those offerings that
I care to utilize and ignore (and in some cases, iconoclastic as I am, denigrate)
the rest. So be it.
Since there is not yet any history of expenses of maintaining the archive, there
can be no way to evaluate the offered service to members/subscribers. My
suggestion then, at this point would be to allow friends, who pay the same fee,
the same access to archival data that I have as a member, until such time as such
cost figures are available. At a future date dues/subscription fees may be
adjusted to allow "Friends" to support the publication, which they receive, and
administrative expenses, which they receive, but not the archive, which is a
benefit of full membership.
I rather expect that the expenses of the archive will be so minimal that the point
will become moot, but that only time will tell.
I personally perceive this whole issue as a misguided effort on behalf of WBCCI
leadership to strong-arm friends into becoming members. I would remind them that
such friends would no longer feel friendly, but rather imposed upon. Just my own,
totally biased, opinion, no factual basis that I know of.
One man's opinion, FWIW
Matt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:55:17 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: membership - moderation
Scott, I wonder if it is clear just which "archives" are affected by the new
policy. Some people may have assumed that they would be blocked from using
Tom Patterson's web site. Not so. Since I don't have a 1960 trailer I
haven't found a need to use the "members only" archives, although I did look
at Gary's Dometic information when he posted the URL. My guess based on
reading this list the last year or so is that most of us, including most
"Friends" members, have post 1960 Airstreams and would not be greatly
benefited by the pre '60s archives. Nonetheless, I'm sure access to the
"members only" archives could be of major interest to those who do own '60
and earlier Airstreams. Given the relatively small number of pre-'60
owners-VAC list subscribers, I doubt that access or not to the "members
only" archives is going to be a big membership draw for either the VAC or
for WBCCI membership. My guess is that participating in the VAC rallies,
parking in the vintage section at the International (and maybe
Regionals),
entering VAC competitions, etc. will be a bigger inducement to be a paid
member of VAC and WBCCI. It has been for me.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 14:49
Subject: [VAC] membership - moderation
> Folks,
>
> While the monitors will allow this discussion to continue a while longer
> please remember insults/attacks will not be tolerated. Nor will destructive
> posts. Offending parties will be dealt with. Sometimes we have to agree to
> disagree.
>
> On a related note, I suggest that you contact Wayne directly. HE IS THE ONE
> that can get something done about changing this situation. wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> The monitors and webmaster have some say, but ultimately must bow to the
> wishes of the officers. Wayne can ask for an executive meeting to change the
> current policy. If it is to change, the change will come through him, so if
> you are angry or frustrated please let him know (offlist if you can't abide
> by the previously mentioned rules). Perhaps if he is flooded with
> requests
> to make the technical pages open to all who have paid VAC dues, he can
> go to
> the rest of the leadership and get the rule changed. The VAC is not a bunch
> of rules and regulations, it is a group of people working together to
> promote our common interest. If enough people (especially on the inside) ask
> for change the officers will respond by changing the rules as much as
> they
> can within the limits of the WBCCI. Access to the WebPages in this
> current
> controversy are one area that can be changed.
>
> I for one, hope to quickly return to our normal focus of repair &
> restoration, it is what brought me here, it is what keeps me here.
>
> Moderator Scott
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:21:21 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
on 9/20/02 9:53 PM, Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer at
geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> I saw one today in Boone, Iowa, on Division Street just south of the UP
> main line crossing (and that's just south of the Boone and Scenic Valley
> RR depot), on a truck with a for sale sign in the truck windshield. I
> might go look closer when not needing to get somewhere, if there's
> interest. Might take a camera.
>
> Gerald J.
Gerald,
Boone, NC, is a lot closer than Boone, IA, for e, but I've been thinking
about a truck camper for some fishing expeditions and other times when I
need to pull someting other than my Tradewind. I'd be very interested in
knowing more.
Anyone know more about these? Is Tuna right that they were made by Avion?
Any other sitings?
Thanks,
Greg
'76 Trade Wind
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Message Number: 15
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:28:12 -0400
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Free Membership!
Hello All,
To add to Scott's comment about a years membership for free, the WI Unit
of the WBCCI (being the group of progressive thinkers we are) took this
one step further. The WI Unit of the WBCCI offers the second year of
Unit membership for free and offers the new members a free rally for
their first attendance. We have had a good number of takers including 8
new members this year alone.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
WI Unit President
Region 7 VAC Rep
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Scott Scheuermann
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 1:26 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Free Membership!
Just in case you all did not know, the WBCCI does offer one years
membership
for free. The only catch is that you must have purchased your used
Airstream
on or after January 18th 2002. While this does not help those of us who
purchased our trailers earlier, it will undoubtedly help some of us. If
you
are interested feel free to contact me offlist at
s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Monitor Scott
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Message Number: 16
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:26:26 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: membership - moderation
on 9/21/02 6:55 AM, James Greene at drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> I doubt that access or not to the "members
> only" archives is going to be a big membership draw for either the VAC
> or
> for WBCCI membership. My guess is that participating in the VAC rallies,
> parking in the vintage section at the International (and maybe
> Regionals),
> entering VAC competitions, etc. will be a bigger inducement to be a paid
> member of VAC and WBCCI. It has been for me.
>
Echoes my point. So why not may the rally and caravans schedules,
reports,
competition results, and other material clearly linked to WBCCI the
"Members-only" section, leaving the technical archive open to Friends.
Some of us who are bitten by the bug just like to paw through the kind of
stuff that is in the archive -- that's particularly true of folks in the
early stage of Airstream fever. For that reason, the archives can be a draw
to "outsiders."
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
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Message Number: 17
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:41:05 -0500
From: "Todd McDonald" <tod47d@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: insulation
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>Howdy! My posts cause some
crazy computer stuff in the past but here is another try. What
type of insulation do people put under the floor and above the belly
pan? Has andybody tried the styro-foam boards? o
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Message Number: 18
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:52:59 -0500
From: "Todd McDonald" <tod47d@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: air conditioner
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>Greetings again, If that last
post didn't cause too much wonky wacky woo-woo, here's another.
What would the minimum BTU rating would one install in a well insulated
22' '67 Safari? Too big a unit
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Message Number: 19
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:02:00 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: insulation
This may sound crazy, but I took all mine out. I've read many posts where
water gets into the fiberglass and never dries out - to me its just a big
spunge. This way when and if water does get in, it will dry quickly and
hopefully not cause rot.
Ken Johansen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
At 08:41 AM 9/21/02 -0500, you wrote:
> Common sense tells me to go with the tried and true fiberglass, if
> so ,
> what R rating is reccommened. thanx---tod47d
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Message Number: 20
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:49:45 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Snowbird itinerary
on 09/20/02 7:40 PM, n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net wrote:
> Hey Terry,
>
> What's your itinerary? We haven't crossed paths since Feb 2001 (Region
> XI
> Rally), so it's about time to see you again.
>
<grin> Right back to you Roger,
That would suit us fine. We enjoyed visiting with you and look forward to
doing it again. I'd like to see changes and restorations you've made.
Unfortunately, this year won't see us in the Southwest or deep into old
Mexico like in previous years.
Instead, our travels will mainly be in the Southeast, and probably no
further west than the Escapees Club RV Park in Livingston, Texas. Our
overnight stops along the route south from Upstate New York will include
favorite Mom and Pop Campgrounds and one or two Coast to Coast membership
Parks. It's been awhile since we've parked overnight on the island in
Virginia's Chesapeake Bay (Bay Bridge Tunnel). Other overnights may
include
stops at the National Forest near Moorehead City, NC or the Elks Lodge in
Wilson, SC (both are boondocking sites).
Earlier this month, we started penciling in campgrounds for stays of longer
duration than one or two nights. As you know, my Macintosh laptop is good at
scouring Campgrounds around the country for deals in November. This year, I
waited until September before letting it loose and even then I started too
late to get a wide selection. Bummer. Live and learn.
For next year, I've made an entry in my PDA (Handspring Visor Edge
http://www.handspring.com/outlet/index.jhtml) to begin the search on August
1st (4 months in advance). That's when one chain of campgrounds begin
offering their Winter Specials ($99 a month with full hookups at any of
their premier RV Resorts). Website address is http://www.rvonthego.com/
Our first long term stop will be at Fort Myers Beach RV Resort in FL. Their
website is http://www.rvonthego.com/database/park_details.html?ID=26. We are
looking forward to having an old fashioned Thanksgiving (Florida style) and
making a big dent in my Mom's "to do" list. Sons who travel with tools are
great for Moms who like having things fixed right the first time.
Next port of call will be two weeks at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Campground in St. Lucie Locks South, Stuart, FL. Again, I waiting too long
before making those reservations. Next year, a note in my tickler file will
cue me 8 months in advance. That is their criteria for making early
reservations. The COE website is www.reserveusa.com and the 800 number is
877.444.6777.Florida campgrounds operated by the COE are in high demand
during the Christmas Holidays. For us, that means the only way to get a
favorite campsite at one of them is to make our reservation eight months in
advance (to the day).
> From there, we'll head north and west across Florida's panhandle with
> stops
at a County park (a boondocking fishing camp and sites are free) near the
Appalachicola National Park. There are several campgrounds in the National
Park we haven't explored yet because they are close to the Elks Lodge in
Tallahassee (a six site campground with full hookups, a fancy dining room,
great meals moderately priced and they treat visitors like royalty).
Also on our list is the beautiful and relaxing Airsteam Park in McDavid
(owned and operated by the local WBCCI unit). On previous occasions we've
been invited to relieve the Campground Host while they take some time off.
We're looking forward to doing that one of these years.
Then, there's the ex-Airstream dealer (Hill Kelly Dodge) in Pensacola who
loves Vintage Airstreams and has Airstream savvy mechanics. We generally
stop if only to refill a propane bottle and say "Hello" to everyone.
Later in December, we'd like to stay at the Naval Air Station Campsite in
New Orleans (NAS/NOLA) during the weeks of Christmas and New Years.
Hopefully, our hot shot son (with his name on the side of his F-15) can work
out the details. We stayed on NAS/NOLA last April when he and his wife were
house hunting (and we were baby sitting OUR grand daughter).
If by chance, there's a snag in making arrangements for us to stay on base,
we'll go across the river to the State Park where they honor our Golden Age
Passport with a 50% discount. Louisiana is one of the few states which
reciprocate like that.
This is as far as our pencil has gotton. As with all tentative schedules,
it's subject to whims and fancies of weather, road construction and
serendipity. Is there a chance of you being in the general vicinity during
any of those times?
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Hi All,
>
> Our season for traveling begins the day after Halloween. That means
> we're
> about to again become Snowbirds for six months. During those months, we
> look
> forward to our VAC email as one of the ways to stay in touch with
> friends and
> continue learning about ways to restore our Airstreams.
>
> Last year, we kept our subscription to the VAC email discussion group
> active
> nearly 100% of the time. But, the accumulation of email was often
> overwhelming
> after a week when we hadn't found a phone connection.
>
> This year, we decided that every now and then, we'll put our
> subscription on
> temporary hold, especially while using primitive sites in National
> Forests.
>
> But, we'll maintain last year's practice of always keeping our ISP
> address
> active and receiving "off list" email. The down side for us is we'll
> miss
> interesting discussion by VAC members. The down side for those who
> write to us
> directly may be that our reply won't occur in a timely fashion.
>
> Terry
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:59:55 -0700
From: Dennis Morgan <dmorgan@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
I have a an Avion RV. A Cayo Motivator to be exact. Its on a 1973 Chevy, 1
ton, dual wheel chassis. Its has the 350 "main bolt" engine with 4.10
rear-end. I've also seen them on Dodge chassis. Aside from travel trailers,
they also made campers to fit on pickups. They are very well made and you
can find out more about them at the Avion Travelcade Club web site:
http://my.execpc.com/~drg/avionrem.html
Dennis
> From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 21:21:21 -0500
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
>
> on 9/20/02 9:53 PM, Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer at
> geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
>
>> I saw one today in Boone, Iowa, on Division Street just south of the UP
>> main line crossing (and that's just south of the Boone and Scenic
>> Valley
>> RR depot), on a truck with a for sale sign in the truck windshield. I
>> might go look closer when not needing to get somewhere, if there's
>> interest. Might take a camera.
>>
>> Gerald J.
> Gerald,
>
> Boone, NC, is a lot closer than Boone, IA, for e, but I've been thinking
> about a truck camper for some fishing expeditions and other times when I
> need to pull someting other than my Tradewind. I'd be very interested in
> knowing more.
>
> Anyone know more about these? Is Tuna right that they were made by
> Avion?
> Any other sitings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
> '76 Trade Wind
>
>
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:06:49 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Snowbird itinerary
Well, Terry replied with another great posting about his planned travels.
Some neat links, too, so it goes in the "save" file.
Terry, our only plans this winter are a trip to Pittsburgh in late January
for the birth of yet another grand-daughter. No plans to pull the trailer,
though. Just hop on a plane.
Good trailering, and keep us posted.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 23
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RV Electrical for the studious reader (in my case: for dummies)
Ever wanted to figure out what Dr. Gerald Johnson and
others are saying when they talk about 'lectricity?
Well I normally feel like a fool as soon as the
acronyms start. Here's some essential reading:
RV Electrical Systems by Bill and Jan Moeller:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/007042778X/qid=1032621394/sr=
1-3/ref=sr_1_3/104-8209332-9692709?v=glance&s=books
the very same people who wrote:
RVing Basics:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0070427798/qid=1032621394/sr=
1-5/ref=sr_1_5/104-8209332-9692709?v=glance&s=books
They even utilized the knowledge of Noel Kirkby from:
http://www.rvsolarelectric.com
Just thought I'd share some resources - be prepared to
study - especially if you're a creative type like me
because they almost lost me in the preface (with
formulas for figuring out amperage et al.) and get
yourself a magnifier if your eyesight isn't optimal -
there ain't no whitespace on these pages...
That was my Friday night pleasure reading -
Toby
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Message Number: 24
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Membership
We can learn from history - and as it stands now,
someone is going to have to "step-up," commit to being
a full member, work their way through the ranks to the
VAC presidency, initiate change, and work their way a
WBCCI presidency and initiate change there too.
I believe in the VAC officers, and I'm getting closer
to understanding why things are happening the way they
are because I've asked questions. I'm also trying to
figure out how to help change things in the future.
Apparently this is a big issue - I hope other people
have been thinking about what they can do to make
things right as compared to *just* talking about it.
if you're a "friend" of the VAC, you've never had
voting rights - if you feel like the VAC is heading in
the wrong direction, maybe it's time to *get* voting
rights?
just a couple of thoughts.
Toby
p.s. I don't think "strong-arm" deserves any space on
VACList emails. It just isn't what's happening.
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Airstream style truck camper spotted
Those truck campers are made by Avion - I see them
frequently up her in Minnesota.
Toby
> Anyone know more about these? Is Tuna right that
> they were made by Avion?
> Any other sitings?
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Message Number: 26
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: insulation
I think the best you can do in the 3" you've got (with
fiberglass) is R-16. Although there is always that
"spray" insulation - but according to a contractor
friend of mine there are different "set" times and he
suggested getting one that sets quickly so that you
can reduce the expansion factor. wouldn't want to be
popping rivets in the sun.
I suspect, my opinion only - no factual basis, that
the faster setting spray insulation would not insulate
as well as the slow setting stuff. AND I have no
basis for the expansion factor. I'll be asking around
on that one this winter.
I wonder if spray insulation would offer weight
benefits too?
Toby
--- "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
wrote:
> This may sound crazy, but I took all mine out. I've
> read many posts where
> water gets into the fiberglass and never dries out -
> to me its just a big
> spunge. This way when and if water does get in, it
> will dry quickly and
> hopefully not cause rot.
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: insulation
People have tried the styrofoam boards beneath the
floor - maybe they'll chime in. it sounds like a good
idea to me - as I remember, they screwed them in with
long screws (and a washer) from the bottom. I can
imagine that would be a pain in the biscuits unless
doing a frame-off resto.
Toby
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:14:17 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Membership
on 9/21/02 10:34 AM, Toby Folwick at toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> I believe in the VAC officers, and I'm getting closer
> to understanding why things are happening the way they
> are because I've asked questions.
Toby,
I'd be grateful if you could share a bit of what you are beginning to
understand. So far, what we've heard is that one Friend was particularly
rude in asserting his (non-existent) rights to attend rallies to a WBCCI
officer. This started some kind of a process that resulted in tightening up
rally rules (understandable, given insurance issues, WBCCI's mission and so
on). For some reason, when all this happened, the leadership decided to take
a different approach to website access as well. (Not obvious or immediately
apparent why.)
My original post that kicked this discussion off was precisely an attempt to
"ask questions" and was e-mailed to key national VAC officers who list an
e-mail address in the VA. Wayne Moore answered here and Rick Davis has been
helpful. But I haven't gotten any answers other than those posted for
everyone to read here.
There's clearly some disagreement and discomfort with the decision among
both friends and members, so any light you can shed would be most helpful.
I may well join the VAC and WBCCI and work to change things from within, but
that doesn't change the fact that this was, from where I sit, a decision
unfair to Friends and unhelpful to the VAC. If I'm wrong on that, please,
someone who understands the rationale and how it is fair and helpful,
explain it.
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
>
> p.s. I don't think "strong-arm" deserves any space on
> VACList emails. It just isn't what's happening.
>
My apologies for being the first to use the word. It was simply hyperbole
meant to draw attention. It worked, but I'm afraid it unintentionally
offended some. Sorry.
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:29:26 -0600
From: "Terry O'Neill" <woodfloor@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: 1955 21 footer auctions tomoorow
Just saw a story in today's Calgary Herald about the "Earl of Egmont" Story
of the estate sale of an Alberta rancher who inherited the Earl title and
castle but preferred to continue ranching. Over the years he amassed a large
collection of vintage farm implements, trucks etc and...a 1955 21ft
Airstream serial 7905.
To see it go to this website, click on auction info page, then scroll down
to Earl of Egmont auction. About 1/2 way down that page is the "Holiday
trailer" pics and info. http://www.mcinenly.com/ The location of this
auction is about 150 mile north of Glacier National Park.
The pics are a little blurry but this trailer was purchased from a
California politician in the 50's. Used on a couple of trips and stored in a
shed since.(according to story in paper) The interior looks immaculate
including what looks like original fabric on the sofas and original floor
tile. I have not seen this trailer in person but the photos look amazing.
The auction is tomorrow (Sunday) morning. It appears advance bids can be
placed through the auctioneer if anyone is interested. If it wasn't for 2
girls getting braces, etc etc I would be bidding myself.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
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Message Number: 30
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:38:15 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: air conditioner
Todd,
The virtual standard rating AC unit is 13,500 BTU's. Roughly 90% of the
industry uses it. As a result of that, the price of that size unit is
often lower than the other's (7.5,11,15 thousand BTU's). Many places
will put the 13.5 on sale.for over $100 below list.
You coach has the built in AC drain line, along with 110V wiring and
added reinforcement.
Charlie
Todd McDonald wrote:
> Greetings again, If that last post didn't cause too much wonky wacky
> woo-woo, here's another. What would the minimum BTU rating would one
> install in a well insulated 22' '67 Safari? Too big a unit will cycle
> on and off frequently as it blasts air to the desired setting and
> cycles off, while too small a unit will just run and run-never able to
> rest. I'd like to think that I can get along with the smallest
> (7,500? BTU ), but am not sure that would be optimal. I'm also
> interested in the condensate drain install options that have worked in
> the pre- factory installed drain era gad-abouts. I'm wanting to join
> WBBCI as I've always been a big fan of public television. Is this a
> station dedicated to aluminum recreational vehicles?!? tod47d
>
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Message Number: 31
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:36:56 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Spray insulation + mice
on 09/21/02 11:44 AM, toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> I wonder if spray insulation would offer weight benefits too?
>
Toby,
IMHO, spray insulation has other benefits that aren't so evident.
One year we had a battalion (?) of mice try to set up house keeping in our
Airstream. Our cats had a ball every night for awhile. Once I realized
where the mouse front door was located, I used spray insulation to close it
down. Ants can't even get in that spot today.
Not only do we no longer have unexpected late night visitors, we now sleep
soundly all night. Our cats no longer do what they do best which
unfortunately includes leaving headless offerings beside our bed. Yuk!
Nevertheless, we encouraged them with "treats" each morning.
Lately, they've been getting treats for other things, i.e. rolling over to
our hand signal, using their special scratching post (carpet wrapped around
the table leg), coming when called (still working on that), watching TV
when cats are the stars, etc., etc.
Enough silliness,
Terry
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Message Number: 32
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:46:28 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: air conditioner
Thanks Charlie,
You answered a question I had about our '69 22' Safari which I didn't
think to ask. Somehow I had missed out on learning the drain line, 110v
wiring and added reinforcement were already built in.
Terry
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on 09/21/02 12:38 PM, cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Todd,
>
> The virtual standard rating AC unit is 13,500 BTU's. Roughly 90% of the
> industry uses it. As a result of that, the price of that size unit is
> often lower than the other's (7.5,11,15 thousand BTU's). Many places
> will put the 13.5 on sale.for over $100 below list.
> You coach has the built in AC drain line, along with 110V wiring and
> added reinforcement.
>
> Charlie
>
> Todd McDonald wrote:
>
>> Greetings again, If that last post didn't cause too much wonky wacky
>> woo-woo, here's another. What would the minimum BTU rating would one
>> install in a well insulated 22' '67 Safari? Too big a unit will cycle
>> on and off frequently as it blasts air to the desired setting and
>> cycles off, while too small a unit will just run and run-never able to
>> rest. I'd like to think that I can get along with the smallest
>> (7,500? BTU ), but am not sure that would be optimal. I'm also
>> interested in the condensate drain install options that have worked in
>> the pre- factory installed drain era gad-abouts. I'm wanting to join
>> WBBCI as I've always been a big fan of public television. Is this a
>> station dedicated to aluminum recreational vehicles?!? tod47d
>>
>>
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Message Number: 33
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:38:26 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: RV Electrical for the studious reader (in my case: for
dummies)
Please forgive me, I've been working with electricity ever since I
discovered the "Boy Electrician" book when I was about 8 years old. My
father surrounded me with electrical and electronic stuff from my birth.
I try not to use acronyms, please complain if I do.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 34
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:51:57 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Spray insulation + mice
The various spray insulations tend to bond well. One of the early ones
bonded stronger than fabric on my jeans. I wore out the rest of the
jeans but the splashes of foam survived.
Foam panels have the limitation of not compressing or expanding to fit
the space and so allow significant air leaks around their edges which
drastically reduces their effectiveness.
Fiberglass can drain and dry in a long time. I believe it is
significantly lighter than the foamed in place insulations. In some
housing these days, the procedure is to foam everything (which seals
against all kinds of leaks but I fear holds water in the wood where
there's no air gap between siding or sheathing and the insulation) with
one face off, then saw the excess foam level with the studs. That sawing
inside the domed ends of an Airstream would be an interesting bit of
sculpture. Because of the sealing effects, some vendors CLAIM overall
performance better than twice the thickness of fiberglass, yet with
lower rated R values. The rub with Icynene is that it costs three times
the price of fiberglass per board food for lower rated performance and I
think a tendency to hold moisture in wood studs which will make then rot
unreasonably fast. Their contractors also like to put it flush under
roof sheathing without venting to cool roofing which I believe will lead
to short roofing life.
They do make special foams for filling existing cavities that don't
expand as violently to push dry wall off the studs, those varieties
should work decently in assembled Airstreams, but would make wiring
repairs or revisions very inconvenient without pulling panels from the
inside or outside to allow cutting channels for wires.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 35
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:54:55 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: It is a Cayo
But I didn't detect a serial number plate or model plate. I have several
pictures including one interior shot.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 36
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:03:27 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: insulation
tod47d.
Rigid insulation will not hold up to the flexing of the trailer. Solid
insulations have been tested, with negative results in an Airstream.
"R" rating should not be considered when using fiberglass insulation in an
Airstream. The factory uses 2 inch material. If you crammed in more than
that, you really defeat the "R" factor as fiberglass must not be compressed.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 37
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:20:12 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: 16-18 footer awning
There is a complete awning for a 16 to 18 foot Airstream on eBay, with 1
day left and reserve not yet met. Would get it for the Caravel, but
can't really see us with gold stripes, although it would match the
countertops...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1858922688
RJ
'65 Caravel
'57 Flying Cloud
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Message Number: 38
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:09:38 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: '68 Airstream for sale
Here's another one,
I just learned about this Airstream from WBCCIer Joe Kearney, but I haven't
seen it. Joe tells me it has mint skin, has a single axle and the inside
looks new. Price is $4,000. It's located at Tierman Home Supply in
Waddington, NY. That's northern NYS along the St. Lawrence Seaway, northeast
of Ogdensburg, NY and along the Canadian border.
Anyone interested? If so, would you check it out and let us know what you
think?
Terry
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Message Number: 39
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:38:23 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Airstream for sale
Terry, it must be smaller than a Tradewind because I believe all ' 68
Tradewinds were all double axle. Mine is. Sounds like a great price if it's
in the condition described. I'm still thinking about that 1955 21' at
auction tomorrow. If it were not soooo far away ...
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Tyler" <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 19:09
Subject: [VAC] '68 Airstream for sale
> Here's another one,
>
> I just learned about this Airstream from WBCCIer Joe Kearney, but I haven't
> seen it. Joe tells me it has mint skin, has a single axle and the inside
> looks new. Price is $4,000. It's located at Tierman Home Supply in
> Waddington, NY. That's northern NYS along the St. Lawrence Seaway, northeast
> of Ogdensburg, NY and along the Canadian border.
>
> Anyone interested? If so, would you check it out and let us know what
> you
> think?
>
> Terry
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