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Today's Topics:
1. Vista View
2. Vent covers
3. Re: Vent covers
4. Re: Is My Univolt Doomed
5. Re: Vent covers
6. Re: World Traveler update - Frame Photos
7. Serial Numbers?
8. Re: Serial Numbers?
9. Re: Serial Numbers?
10. Re: Coleman furnance
11. Re: Serial Numbers?
12. Re: Vent covers
13. painting a panel heater louvered cover
14. eBay items what are they?
15. Air Conditioner Drains
16. Re: Vent covers
17. Re: Vent covers
18. Tamboor replacement
19. Re: Tamboor replacement
20. Re: Serial Numbers?
21. Re: Air Conditioner Drains - additionally
22. Re: eBay items what are they?
23. Re: Tim's plumbing question
24. Re: refrigerator
25. First real towing of the '74 Argosy
26. Re: Air Conditioner Drains - additionally
27. Thanks a Bunch for vista view...
28. vintage light fixture photo
29. Re: eBay items what are they?
30. Changes in Membership Status
31. Re: vintage light fixture photo
32. Re: Battery Chargers and care
33. Re: Changes in Membership Status
34. Re: Changes in Membership Status
35. Re: Changes in Membership Status
36. Re: Changes in Membership Status
37. Re: Changes in Membership Status
38. Re: Battery Chargers and care
39. More on Air Conditioner Drain Pans
40. Re: Vent covers
41. Re: Vent covers
42. Re: Vent covers
43. Re: Battery Chargers and care
44. Re: First real towing of the '74 Argosy
45. WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
46. Re: Changes in Membership Status
47. Re: Vent covers
48. Re: WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
49. Re: Vent covers
50. Re: Battery Chargers and care
51. Re: Changes in Membership Status
52. Re: Changes in Membership Status
53. Re: *no* Changes in Membership Status
54. Re: Vent covers
55. Re: Changes in Membership Status
56. Re: Battery Chargers and care
57. Re: Vent covers
58. Re: Changes in Membership Status
59. Re: WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
60. Re: Changes in Membership Status
61. Still More on AC Drain Pans
62. Re: Changes in Membership Status
63. Intellipower URL
64. Re: Changes in Membership Status
65. Re: Vent covers
66. Re: Changes in Membership Status
67. Re: Changes in Membership Status
68. Re: Vent covers
69. Re: Still More on AC Drain Pans
70. Re: Battery Chargers and care
71. Belt insert..
72. Re: Belt insert..
73. Re: Vent covers
74. Re: Still More on AC Drain Pans
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:03:31 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Vista View
on 09/18/02 12:41 AM, tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com wrote:
> I think if I had Vista View windows that deteriorated I'd make them into
> stained glass designs that would compliment the unit. I do stained glass as a
> hobby and I'm sure that doing the Vista Views this way would not present too
> much of a problem at all.
>
Hi Tom,
We have double pane glass Vista View windows on our '77 31' Airstream. They
leaked in years past. They've been dry for 15 years since being parked all
winter on BLM land in the Arizona desert. When I noticed they had dried out,
I recaulked them. They haven't leaked since.
BUT - there was discoloration inside. At the time, Sandie and I wondered if
we wanted to corrupt the benefits of thermal pane Vista View Windows for the
sake of cosmetics.
On impulse, we decided to put in white vinyl material that adhered to the
windows. I vaguely recall something about static electricity keeping them in
place. It's the same type of material found at Christmas for decorating
windows. The difference was the material I used is opaque with a subtle
pattern.
Bottom line, the use of this material has enabled us to maintain thermal
continuity among all thermopane windows. The Vista Views are not
unattractive (attractive if you like opaque). They still contribute to our
rig staying warm in the winter and cool in the summer. It cost me $5 for the
material and an hour of time.
A purist, I'm not. A practical realist, I am. The definition varies by the
person.
Terry
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:34:26 -0500
From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <broev@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Vent covers
I want to replace the plastic vent covers on my '62 Sovereign. There are
three 14x14s and one 14x25. One of the 14x14's is an aluminum cover and is
in good shape.
Should I replace the plastic with alum. or stick w/ the plastic?
What is the best source for these covers?
Thanks,
Evans
62 Sovereign
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:56:53 -0000
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
The aluminum 14x14 is likely original, but unavailable. The 14x25 would of
been plastic or fiberglass. The square ones can be replaced with plastic.
One favorite of many list members is the fantastic fan. The only source for
the 14x25 vent cover that I am aware of is Inland RV.
Scott
60 Overlander
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.Evans Woodward III" <broev@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Vent covers
> I want to replace the plastic vent covers on my '62 Sovereign. There are
> three 14x14s and one 14x25. One of the 14x14's is an aluminum cover and is
> in good shape.
> Should I replace the plastic with alum. or stick w/ the plastic?
> What is the best source for these covers?
>
> Thanks,
> Evans
> 62 Sovereign
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:13:26 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Is My Univolt Doomed
Edward,
Thank you for the generous offer. I was supposed to be going to the trailer
this weekend and was going to look at the Univolt again then but now I can't
go. How about if you bring it anyway then if I can get mine working I could
send you yours back or offer to the next person that needs one?
Let me know. I can meet you anywhere at anytime.
Melvin
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:06:37 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Evan,
If you order a 14" x 26" vent cover from Inland RV make sure it will fit
correctly. Measure the outside dimensions of the raised portion that sticks
up skyward out of the trailer. Their cover's inside dimensions are made to
fit an outside opening no larger than 14 1/4" x 25 1/2". I have one that was
1/2 inch too short. If these measurements work for you, I have a smoke grey
one that was never installed for sale at half their price. I ended up making
one out of two sheets of Lexan and aluminum angle.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
> I want to replace the plastic vent covers on my '62 Sovereign. There are
> three 14x14s and one 14x25. One of the 14x14's is an aluminum cover and is
> in good shape.
> Should I replace the plastic with alum. or stick w/ the plastic?
> What is the best source for these covers?
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Message Number: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:26:12 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: World Traveler update - Frame Photos
Having recently replaced the bathroom sheet 48"x 88 + /- ?" in two pieces , I
cant for the life of me figure out how anyone could ever get a sheet across the
full width in one piece , I dont see how you could ever bow the sheet enough to
get it under the flange on both sides , it would need to shrink in width by 2 1/2
inches , which would mean bowing it up a foot or more . The 5 / 8 fir I used was
way to stiff for that . I also dont understand what he meant by "overhanging the
frame by 1/4 inch , does he mean the outriggers? I did notice on mine that the
upper skin came down just to the level of the top of flooring until it got to the
rear corner , I thought about cutting the skin around the corner and putting in
the full sheet from outside ,after removing the belly skin in the rear . The trim
piece would cover this after it was in and re riveted . The shell supported
itself nicely while the old floor ( 4 'of it ) was out . But I opted for two
pieces from the inside and believe me they didnt go in easy that way . Cant
imagine how he did that .
Chris - 27 years in construction trades
Webmaster wrote:
> That's exactly how he took the floor out. Here's how he put it back in:
> "I cut the floor sections the same size as the factory, letting it
> overhang the frame 1/4" on each side. It took five 4'x8' sheets. After
> cutting them to size, four of them ended up being approximately 4'x7',
> and the fifth one was about 3'x7'. I was worried I might have to cut
> them into smaller pieces to get them into place, but just struggled with
> it until I got them in. If sheet #1 is in the front and sheet #5 is in
> the back, this is the order I put them in: (1,2,3,5,4)."
>
> He also used all stainless hardware and a unique 3/16" self-tapping
> floorboard screw with a large self-countersinking head. He sent me
> couple, and after trying them out on some scrap, I'm decided to give
> them a try on the Flying Cloud next spring. Will report how it went.
>
> RJ
>
> On Saturday, September 14, 2002, at 07:48 AM, James Greene wrote:
>
> > RJ, did he say how in the h--- he managed to get the floor out from
> > under
> > the U channel with the belly pan still on?
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Message Number: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Serial Numbers?
I ran across two Airstreams sitting in a truck salvage
yard, and I was wondering if anyone could decode the
serial numbers so I have a bit more info on them.
The first is an Overlander. It's around 26' long, rear
bath, looks like a full bed in the center. Front
gaucho was missing. It was made in Jackson Center, and
had a serial number of: 263D350
The second trailer was a "mid 70's" 31 foot. We
couldnt get inside it, but it did have a rear bath and
lower vista view windows on the street side, I
believe. There was no model name, other than the side
"International" logos. The name plate by the door has
two numbers. The upper number is F450FJ. The lower
serial number is I51T9J0244. The number wasnt stamped
well, and the "5" could also be an "8" or a "3".
Both trailers had old WBCCI numbers on them, neither
of which are in the curent directory.
I have no idea if these trailers can be saved. We
asked about them at the gas station nearby, and they
said the owner died and his wife wants to sell the
salvage yard complete with everything in it. She
doesnt want to sell individual units. We placed a note
on the door, so we shall see if anything works out...
Dave
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Message Number: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:05:43 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers?
Dave, as my best guess ...
Jim
----- Original Message -----
> The first is an Overlander. It's around 26' long, rear
> bath, looks like a full bed in the center. Front
> gaucho was missing. It was made in Jackson Center, and
> had a serial number of: 263D350
26 ft, 3= year of manufacture (63?), double , serial number 350 -- probably
the 350th trailer that year
>
> The second trailer was a "mid 70's" 31 foot. We
> couldnt get inside it, but it did have a rear bath and
> lower vista view windows on the street side, I
> believe. There was no model name, other than the side
> "International" logos. The name plate by the door has
> two numbers. The upper number is F450FJ. The lower
> serial number is I51T9J0244.
International (deluxe) trim level, 31', twin, '79 year, made in Jackson
Center, serial number 0244 (and probably number 244 made that year)
The number wasnt stamped
> well, and the "5" could also be an "8" or a "3".
>
> Both trailers had old WBCCI numbers on them, neither
> of which are in the curent directory.
>
> I have no idea if these trailers can be saved. We
> asked about them at the gas station nearby, and they
> said the owner died and his wife wants to sell the
> salvage yard complete with everything in it. She
> doesnt want to sell individual units. We placed a note
> on the door, so we shall see if anything works out...
>
> Dave
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Message Number: 9
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:22:43 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers?
Hi Dave,
The 26' Overlander is a 1963 model with double bed layout, and the last
is a 1969 31' Sovereign, twin bed layout with International option
package, made in Jackson Center also. Depending on condition, they are
probably down in the $1000 max range.
Best of luck,
RJ
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 07:54 PM, Dave Lowrey wrote:
> I ran across two Airstreams sitting in a truck salvage
> yard, and I was wondering if anyone could decode the
> serial numbers so I have a bit more info on them.
>
> The first is an Overlander. It's around 26' long, rear
> bath, looks like a full bed in the center. Front
> gaucho was missing. It was made in Jackson Center, and
> had a serial number of: 263D350
>
> The second trailer was a "mid 70's" 31 foot. We
> couldnt get inside it, but it did have a rear bath and
> lower vista view windows on the street side, I
> believe. There was no model name, other than the side
> "International" logos. The name plate by the door has
> two numbers. The upper number is F450FJ. The lower
> serial number is I51T9J0244. The number wasnt stamped
> well, and the "5" could also be an "8" or a "3".
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Message Number: 10
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:39:19 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Coleman furnance
on 08/27/02 10:13 AM, 9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote :
There is a Coleman furnace in my 1963 SOB (Avion) that I wanted checked out
by my local rv repair shop, They would not touch it. Are these heaters
dangerous or is it some kind of insurance liability issue? I had a similiar
situation with my 1961 Bambi when I bought it and took it in for a safety
check of the systems. In that case, something scared the mechanic and I was
advised not to use it (which I havn't)
Jim
'61 Bambi
63 Avion T-20
Hi Jim,
Sorry about the delay in replying. You have probably already made a
decision, but I'll contribute my 2 cents. If I were you, I'd scrap the old
furnace and spring for a catalytic heater (about $300) instead of a new
furnace (about $600) in your 20 footer.
I've gone both routes on two different Airstreams. With our 31', I decided
on the furnace (30,000BTU) and a catalytic heater (6300 BTU), although I
don't use both simultaneously. With our 22' Safari, I decided on only the
catalytic heater (6300 BTU), although I plan on putting in a propane lamp
this Spring (already purchased it). We have such a lamp in our 22' Flying
Cloud (not in use yet), so know what it can do when combined with a
catalytic heater (already installed).
None of our Airstreams are used during sub-freezing temperatures. Our 31' is
for Snowbirding and our 22' is for summer traveling, so both get their share
of usage every year.
Additionally, we use a small electric cube heater in each trailer for those
times when we have an electric hookup. The heaters with two different
settings (750 watts and 1200 watts) are more convenient for us than those
with one setting (1500 watts). On many occasions, the campground electrical
system won't tolerate the higher wattage without popping the campground
circuit breaker. We have never had the breaker shut down when on 750 watts.
Another convenience is quietness. I found heaters with a squirrel cage are
too noisy for an afternoon nap while my wife reads a book.
Hope this helps with your decision,
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 11
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:59 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers?
Jim is correct, make that '79 - typo of only 10 years there...
RJ
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 08:22 PM, Webmaster wrote:
> ...and the last is a 1969 31' Sovereign, twin bed layout with
> International option package, made in Jackson Center also.
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Message Number: 12
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:56:25 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Why oh why would you replace a good aluminum cover?
Tom
Subject: [VAC] Vent covers
> I want to replace the plastic vent covers on my '62 Sovereign. There are
> three 14x14s and one 14x25. One of the 14x14's is an aluminum cover and is
> in good shape.
> Should I replace the plastic with alum. or stick w/ the plastic?
> What is the best source for these covers?
>
> Thanks,
> Evans
> 62 Sovereign
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Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:44:10 -0700
From: "C. Hale" <chale@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: painting a panel heater louvered cover
Hi all,
I have a wall panel gas heater in my 60 Traveler. I need to paint the
louvered cover and want to know if anyone else has painted a similar heater.
This one is copper colored.
The question: Do I need to use heat resistant paint or not?
I'd appreciate hearing your experiences.
Thanks.
Cindy
60 Traveler
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:44:20 -0700
From: "C. Hale" <chale@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: eBay items what are they?
Hi,
I saw these itmes on eBay and wondered which year(s they work for:
Airstream Waste Tank Dump Handle 1960's?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1860165243
Airstream Wrench T Handle NewOld Stck 1960's?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1858841034
Cindy
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Message Number: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:37:13 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Air Conditioner Drains
On my ' 68 Tradewind, the Airstream factory installed a plastic tube to
drain the condensate so it didn't run down the side of the trailer leaving
dirty streaks. The plastic tube attached to a drain pan and could be seen
from the 14 x 14 opening in the inside skin after removing the plastic air
register in the ceiling. The plastic tube is visible inside the curb side
upper locker where it goes through a bulkhead behind some cabinetry and
eventually exits through the belly pan in front of the wheel well.
I have been told that the Duo Therm Penguin model made by Dometic is the
current factory installed air conditioner and the only air conditioner for
which a drain pan is available. My question is, how is the condensate
drained from the Penguin model? Do current and recent Airstreams have a
plastic tube that attaches inside the trailer that is routed inside the
trailer or between the inner and outer skin that eventually leads to the
outside and the ground so condensate doesn't run down the outside skin of
the trailer? Put another way, what is the current plumbing route for
controlling and getting rid of the condensate?
Nobody has volunteered to let me disassemble their newer trailer to find
out. ;-)
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 16
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:29:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
first of all, you're going to have a difficult if not
impossible time finding replacement aluminum covers -
second of all, here's why I'd replace an aluminum
cover: to put it on a more valuable/more rare
airstream. (preferably one of my own!)
I've got 1 aluminum cover myself, and 1 missing -
fortunately for me, an air conditioner will be taking
the place of the lost one. But if I had another
trailer that would benefit from that other aluminum
cover (i.e. an "original" restoration) I'd trade it
out on my tradewind and install a fantastic fan.
Toby
--- Tom <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
> Why oh why would you replace a good aluminum cover?
>
> Tom
>
> Subject: [VAC] Vent covers
>
>
> > I want to replace the plastic vent covers on my
> '62 Sovereign. There are
> > three 14x14s and one 14x25. One of the 14x14's is
> an aluminum cover and is
> > in good shape.
> > Should I replace the plastic with alum. or stick
> w/ the plastic?
> > What is the best source for these covers?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Evans
> > 62 Sovereign
>
>
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:16:34 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
I replaced the 3 original aluminum vent covers on my 76 sovereign with the
replacement plastic covers a two years ago. Then last year I replaced one
entire vent unit with a fantastic fan and will probably add another later
on. I still have the 3 original aluminum vent covers and the actual housing
from the one where I put in the Fantastic fan. The aluminum covers are in
good shape except for the plastic insert on top which was completely gone by
the time I got the trailer. If anyone is interesting in these parts let me
know.
Don Hardman
1976 31' Sovereign
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Message Number: 18
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:22:09 -0500
From: "Rick Ellis" <rickellis@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Tamboor replacement
Dear fellow Vac members:
The tamboor material in my 1972 Tradewind is in worse shape than I imagined,
so I am going to check into replacing with new wood covered tamboor
material. Does anyone have experience with the Tamboor vendors,
specifically having them cutting new doors to size. I'm open to all advice.
Also, I have refinished my bath and am very happy with the results. This is
not exactly a do-it-yourself project, but uses the commonly available home
bathroom/kitchen refinishing process. I repaired cracks, stripped and
replaced all of the caulking, applied a skid resistant surface to the shower
and resurfaced all of the shower-sink-commode components. It changed dingy
old looking ABS plastic to a new look. If someone would like to see
pictures, I can share.
Thanks to all.
Rick Ellis
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Message Number: 19
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:26:12 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Tamboor replacement
Rick, I'll bet I'm not the only one who would like to see pictures of your
new bathroom. How do we get the pictures?
The tambour door material can be ordered from Airstream through a Airstream
dealer. It's not hard to cut to size using the old material as a pattern. I
cut mine with a saber saw from the back side. Some people are recycling the
original doors by gluing a heavy cloth backing on the inside of the
material.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Ellis" <rickellis@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:22
Subject: [VAC] Tamboor replacement
>
>
> Dear fellow Vac members:
>
> The tamboor material in my 1972 Tradewind is in worse shape than I
imagined,
> so I am going to check into replacing with new wood covered tamboor
> material. Does anyone have experience with the Tamboor vendors,
> specifically having them cutting new doors to size. I'm open to all
advice.
>
> Also, I have refinished my bath and am very happy with the results. This
is
> not exactly a do-it-yourself project, but uses the commonly available home
> bathroom/kitchen refinishing process. I repaired cracks, stripped and
> replaced all of the caulking, applied a skid resistant surface to the
shower
> and resurfaced all of the shower-sink-commode components. It changed
dingy
> old looking ABS plastic to a new look. If someone would like to see
> pictures, I can share.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Rick Ellis
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Message Number: 20
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:17:51 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers?
The first one is a 1963 26 foot. The second one is a 1969 31 foot.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 21
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Air Conditioner Drains - additionally
additional A/C questions to add to Jim's:
1) was A/C an option in 1960?
2) is there any built in wiring, or drainage tubes if
A/C was an option?
3) when I install my A/C - will I have to reinforce
the vent area?
Thanks - Toby
--- James Greene <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
My question is, how is the condensate drained from the
Penguin model?
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Message Number: 22
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:30:50 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: eBay items what are they?
Cindy. The first item is a Thetford extension handle and is still used today.
I have never seen the second item used on any Airstream.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 23
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:46:09 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Tim's plumbing question
Hi Tom,
With regard to the flare vs. compression, it's my opinion that the
compression is not as sure as the flare. I think this is the reason
that the flare fittings are used for propane and other fuel oil
applications. I found that loosening and retightening a compression
fitting damages the connection and over time the connection must be
replaced. I found that flare fittings are sure and can be loosened and
retightened many times and for a perfect seal. My oil furnace can't
tolerate leaks in the supply or return lines to the tank. Even trace
amounts of leakage in the vibration environment will shut my furnace
down. I've learned that preparation of the tube before the flare is
critical to a perfect seal. I cannot use a tubing cutter without
removing all the burr, and filing the bitter end so it's square. Next
is making the flare large enough to fill the nut without touching the
threads. This is the only problem I've experienced with a flare
connection. A previous restorer failed to create an adequate flare.
Eventually, vibration, etc. wore the connection to the point where the
flare nut could no longer establish a sure connection.
Also, I'm leaning in favor of Rector Seal over teflon for sealing
threaded connections. So far, I've had great luck with this for
brass/plastic connections - like my toilet connections. Teflon seldom
seemed to prevent a leak!
Personally, I'm uncomfortable with compression fittings in a travel
trailer. I've used them when I didn't have a choice for faucet
connections, but recently I've found means around their use.
Regards, '74 Argosy in Lake Charles, LA - Joy
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Message Number: 24
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:55:14 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: refrigerator
Hi Karen,
With regard to the mobile refrigerator, I have a '69 Safari and have removed
the refrigerator several times? Well, maybe it never really got
reinstalled. Anyway, there are bolts the pass through the refrigerator base
and through the floor. Fortunately, Airstream cut ports in the under belly
to allow access to the mounting bolts. Two holes of approximately 1 inch in
diameter with a rubber seal. If your refrigerator is walking away from the
wall, it's my opinion that the bolts are missing. Either intentionally by a
previous owner or have fallen out from other causes. My hold down bolts
were only on the side where the panel can be removed and not between the
refrigerator and other cabinetry.
My refrigerator is on the streetside and this might be a bit different than
those layouts on the curbside.
Regards, '69
Safari, Joy
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Message Number: 25
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:11:45 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: First real towing of the '74 Argosy
Hi All,
Not that my experiences are different than other experienced Airstreamers, I
thought I'd share some happenings of my first tow of the '74 Argosy.
I opted to delay replacement of the axles and accept the consequence of my
choice. I was comfortable with the choice until I started on I-10 in
Louisiana. A terrible cow trail that reminded me of my first experiences
trying to ride a horse. Even without the Argosy in tow, the F250 Super Duty
was punishment on most of I-10. Hours of delays due to road construction.
Harrowing sights in the rearview mirror as 18 wheelers failed to see the
stopped traffic and moved down the breakdown to get stopped without
crunching my tiny truck! :( The spring bar jacks on the Hinsley didn't
loosen and stayed right where I set them despite the very rough road. The
road seams didn't have any influence on the directional stability of the
truck/trailer. Contrary to other opinions on the list, 18 wheelers with
large square/flat fronts do induce a slight sway to my non-towing truck. I
notice near identical induced sway while towing. Hardly noticeable, but it
is there. No problem with quick lane changes as the Argosy stayed with me
like a rock without sway or wobble. All this is completely different than
my experience with the Reese friction cam hitches (I have two in storage as
the Hensley stays with me if I sell my vintage trailers.)
I did have some difficulty doing the hookup as the draw bar would slide into
the Hensely receiver and then lock as the taper entered. Finally had to
withdraw and try a slightly different angle to accomplish hookup. Doesn't
look pretty to observers when they understand that it was taking a half hour
for a simple hookup on flat/level ground! :(
I found that the refrigerator will keep frozen items in the compartment
frozen for much of the day without electric power or LP. The box seemed to
stay quite cool, though above normal refrigeration temperature. Just keep
the box closed when the unit is not in operation.
As expected, I had lots of problems with the gray/black water dumps. Didn't
use the black water at all and opted to use the park facility for toilet and
shower. Wonder why the bathroom sink is just below crotch level? Though
gray water, I put some holding tank chemicals in to help lubricate the slide
valves. Hope this is proper? Well, use of the sink as a latrine most
likely isn't hoyle, but I didn't want to load the black water tank as the
floor behind it is questionable. The gray water housing actually supports
the floor infront of the black water tank.
Many of you know that the Airstream models I've worked on, the '69 Safari
and the '74 Argosy do not attach the monocoque directly through the floor
and the outriggers. The only frame attachment of the monocoque is in the
front and the rear. Though the Argosy and Safari use completely different
approaches. Anyway, I noticed that the base of the monocoque on the street
side in front of the wheel well is bowing outward. This is most likely due
to compromised fasteners that hold the monocoque to the floor. Keep in mind
that the floor is bolted to the outriggers and the monocoque is held to the
floor with sheet metal screws. It would be nice to know if the engineering
is to allow the monocoque to flex with the spring in the floor and limit the
stress on the out riggers? Anybody know? BTW, another reason for the outer
skin to take an apparent bow is from breakage of the rivets due to
corrosion. I didn't replace the rivets when I had the trim strip removed.
I did reseal the seam under the trim strip and the trim strip itself to
prevent massive amounts of water from entering the under belly! :)
It happened that I left home on the 15th of September and immediately ran
into the remaining force of hurricane Hanna. Much of South Carolina was
heavy rain with much of it near blinding. I forgot to put the Ford in 4
wheel drive. Just read in the VAC rag that I should have done this. A bit
late. At 60 mph and in the lane next to the jersey wall, I crested a hill
and there was a HP sitting cross ways of my lane. Well, maybe I was
traveling a bit fast for conditions? Anyway, I had to do a near emergency
stop to keep from removing the road block. The 4 wheel ABS and the Prodigy
really performed admirably. No slide of the Ford and the Argosy stayed
right where it should have. Later, I saw the small car that hit the jersey
wall and flipped and rolled down the interstate. Later, I saw a 5th wheel
that split a fork and followed the guard rail to the bottom of the ravine.
Not pretty and it was going to damage the truck and trailer to extract from
the situation. Also, the brakes on the Argosy seem a bit grabby when I
first start out each day and then settle down - I guess when they warm up a
bit. Several other tests of the braking ability of the Prodigy/F250/Argosy
as there's always an AH who pulls onto the roadway from a ramp and maintains
a strict 25 mph ramp speed! :( Each of these incidents were well in control
as I expected the unexpected. Couldn't change lanes due to other vehicles,
but handled the quick slow routine with ease.
The F250 PS diesel dropped from 18.5 mpg non towing to 14.5 mpg towing at 60
to 70 mph. Guess the drop is more related to frontal wind pressure than the
weight in tow.
Now, I'm sitting on my brother's driveway pad and learning to live in my '74
Argosy 22. Unfortunately, there's not adequate power to run the AC and it's
getting hot, upper 80s, and lots of humidity. Fortunately, tomorrow is
fishing in the Gulf and all will be well! :)
Regards,
'74 Argosy, Newbee to towing - Joy
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Message Number: 26
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:04:06 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Air Conditioner Drains - additionally
Toby.
In 1960 a huge Duotherm AC was used by Airstream. It did not look very good.
Built in wiring didn't start until 1964.
Built in drain line did not start until 1969.
Reinforcing the roof with two horizontal stringers is a "must." Those
stringers also must be attached to the two "main bows."
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 27
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:08:24 -0700
From: Jeffrey Engle <bedheads@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Thanks a Bunch for vista view...
You guy's are GREAT!!! thanks for all the info. especially,
Andy@can-am-rv.com
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Message Number: 28
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:45:55 -0700
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: vintage light fixture photo
Toby,
I tried sending you a photo of one of my vintage light fixtures "off list"
and it doesn't seem to want to go. Does your provider limit the size of file
you can receive?
Colin Hyde
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Message Number: 29
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:47:32 -0400
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: eBay items what are they?
Could the second item be an emergency handle for a power tongue jack? I
believe its used if your battery runs down. You take the cover off and crank
it with that handle. Just a guess.
Jim
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Subject: [VAC] Re: eBay items what are they?
> Cindy. The first item is a Thetford extension handle and is still used
today.
> I have never seen the second item used on any Airstream.
>
> Andy
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Message Number: 30
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:22:56 -0400
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Changes in Membership Status
I am writing to express my dismay at and disagreement with changes in de
facto VAC membership policies that are announced in the new issue of the
VAC Newsletter.
In particular, those of us Vintage Airstream owners who pay dues to VAC but
not to WBCCI have been excluded from the members section of the VAC
website, while having our dues doubled. I feel this is unfair to those of
us in this membership class; I believe it is not in the best interest of
the VAC; I respectfully request that the decision be reversed; and I urge
you, if you share my feelings, to make your position known to Mr. Wayne
Moore (wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net), Membership Director, and to other VAC
officers. I do not object to the increase in VAC dues. I do object ot
having the WBCCI forced upon me. If there must be a portion of the website
retricted to WBCCI members, I woiuld suggest it contain rally
announcements, rally reports, and other information relevant to WBCCI
members - not technical and other information of interest primarily to
Vintage Airstream enthusiasts.
I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed on the list; I
found nothing skimming back through message headers for the past couple of
months. I also apologize for the length. I have been as concise as I could
be and still say all that I felt needed saying. The paragraph above can
stand as an executive summary if you want to skip all the words below.
Why This Change is Unfair to Non-WBCCI Vintage Airstream Owners:
The changes in the de facto membership policies are described in a piece
authored by new membership chair Wayne Moore which was printed twice in
the third quarter 2002 issue of the newsletter. It is entitled "A note to
clarify the mis-interpretations in membership."
I am one among the class of folks who have associated with the VAC who own
a vintage trailer but are not members of the WBCCI. Mr. Moore's piece
explains that, according to the VAC Charter (that is, de jure) I have never
been more than a "Friend" of the VAC. In fact (that is, de facto), the
various descriptions of membership classes available when I joined, as well
as the privileges that accrued to me upon paying my annual dues, suggest
that I was a "member."
Upon submitting my dues, I was provided with a membership decal, a
subscription to the newsletter, and access to the members section of the
website. Perhaps the fact that I got these was the nefarious work of "those
that wanted more autonomy for the VAC," mentioned in Mr. Moore's piece. In
any case, I received those benefits of membership and at least one - access
to the website -- has now been taken from me. I received no prior notice
that this would happen, nor, as I recall, any indication that a decision of
this sort was being taken, so that I might comment upon it in advance.
Assurances that these changes in my staus reflect a return to the original
VAC charter in no way alter the fact that I once was given privileges that
have now been taken from me.
For the above reasons, the way this has been handled seems to me unfair. At
the very least, some sort of apology ("We're sorry that folks who were
running things before mistakenly let you have this. Unfortunately, and with
great heaviness of heart, we are forced to take it away from you now. We
hope that you will nonetheless feel warm and friendly toward us and
propmptly send in your extra $10 in VAC dues, along with another $45 for
the WBCCI.") might have been in order. I would gladly pay the $10 increase
in VAC dues, but object to being forced to pay another $45 to the WBCCI in
order to enjoy no other benefits than those I received last year for $10
paid to VAC.
Why This is Bad for the VAC:
>From what I've been able to gather -- even from Mr. Moore's piece in the
newsletter -- VAC membership is growing by leaps and bounds. Notably
"Friends," that is, folks who belong to the VAC but not WBCCI, have grown
by 23% in the past year. They account for more than one-third of all VAC
members. By contrast, as I understand it, the WBCCI has seen its membership
decline. Mr. Moore suggests that this may be because of a perception that
the WBCCI is a retiree's group, which he argues is not the case.
I know little about the WBCCI. I do know that during my past year of
membership in VAC, as a self-identified owner of an Airstream and a
"Friend" of a WBCCI intra-club, I have received nothing more than a single
e-mail from the WBCCI acquainting me with the benefits of membership or
encouraging me to join. That's not a very impressive marketing effort.
My perception is, as someone remarked in the recent discussion of the
Classic Caravan Club on this list, that the WBCCI is what its name implies:
a caravan club for Airstreamers. Caravaning and rallies seem like they
might be fun. I have noted with interest the photos and descriptions of the
VAC rallies. My wife and I have discussed that we might like to attend one,
once we have our Tradewind in a bit better shape and the time opens up.
When that time comes, of course, we would join and pay dues to the rally
organizer -- the WBCCI.
For now, though, we continue to work on our A/S, and learn about trailering
by visiting nearby state parks. I expect we will never find rallying
replacing fishing, crabbing, beaching, and such as our primary activity
with our Tradewind.
The current interests of VAC members, as displayed on this list and in the
newsletter, extend well beyond rallies and caravans. Restoring or rehabbing
old Airstreams seems to be the primary interest. This e-mail list is a
fantastic resource for that. Showing one's trailer off to others is a
desire of some; just using it to camp, as we do, is high onthe list of
others. Perusing material on vintage Airstreams is another interest.
The interests of VAC members seem more diverse than those that are
apparently the mission of the WBCCI. It's particularly interesting to note
the number of non-Airstream vintage trailers that show up at rallies, in
photos in the VAC newsletter, and in e-mails to this list. Clearly many of
us, while we may hold the vintage Airstream up as the pinnacle of the art,
have an interest in knowing more about Curtiss Wrights, Hunt House Cars,
Silver Streaks, and other Vintage RVs, particularly if they are aluminum
and shiny.
As a result, the VAC sits uneasily within the WBCCI. Perhaps this dis-ease
has caused the WBCCI or VAC officers with a strong interest in the WBCCI to
attempt to tighten up membership policies as a way of more firmly corraling
the VAC within the WBCCI fold. This attempt, I believe, could well prove
detrimental to the health and future growth of the VAC.
Asking folks interested in the restoration and use of vintage Airstreams or
other vintage RVs to pony up $20 for access to a newletter and website
filled with information on their interests is reasonable and should help
the VAC continue to grow. Having this e-mail list as sort of a point of
first contact for most, without any membership or dues requirement, will
almost surely continue to channel new members to the VAC. Ultimately, egged
on by rally reports in the newsletter and on this list, as well as by some
well-designed marketing efforts on the part of the WBCCI, many of these VAC
members would surely gravitate to the WBCCI.
On the other hand, asking people to more than triple their dues investment
up front, to also join the WBCCI, a caravan club, when they have no current
interest in caravanning or rallies, will almost surely retard the growth of
the VAC. Ultimately, I believe, the WBCCI will win fewer members this way
than by the more open means suggested in the previous paragraph.
What Should Be Done Instead:
I will assume that the genie cannot be put back into the bottle. In other
words, we vintage Airstream owning non-WBCCI "members" will have to resign
ourselves to being "Friends." However I believe our access to the current
content of the members-only section of the website should be restored. That
section contains primarily information of interest to vintage Airstream
restorers and enthusiasts rather than information on rallies and
caravanning.
If it is necessary to have a members only section of the website, that
section should contain rally reports and announcements and other rally and
caravanning material of interest to WBCCI members. The only possible
explanation for the present decision to limit access to the technical
information to WBCCI members is the (correct) perception that this is the
most valuable content on the website and the (obvious) attempt to
strong-arm folks with an interest in this material into the WBCCI.
Mr. Moore argues that the club is "about people not just trailers. . .The
trailer is just a vehicle to enjoying the caraderie and adventure that
drives people to join social organizations like this in the first place."
Surely that is a well-worded sentiment. Lord knows peope are a lot more
important than trailers. People also deserve better than picayune adherence
to outdated charters and clumsy attempts to force unwanted association upon
them.
What in fact brings people together on this list and has led many of us to
join the VAC is a fascination with the trailer. Depriving us of access to
information on that subject that we had heretofore enjoyed, while at the
same time trying to force-feed us membership in an organization that may
have less current appeal seems a highly unsociable way to proceed.
Again, apologies for the length of this. I hope it will provoke discussion
amongst the membership and the "friends" and perhaps lead to a revision of
the newly announced policy along the lines I have suggested.
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
______________________________________________________________
Greg Hankins Happy Hank's Honey House
ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net Mt. Gilead, North Carolina
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Message Number: 31
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:48:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: vintage light fixture photo
Colin, hrm - I got so many responses to that request
that I can't remember now if I actually received one
from you or not!
To everyone: I've got photos of 2 different kinds of
interior lights for 1960 - the one I have looks just
like the ones from the late 50's as compared to the
boxier one from the early-mid 60's.
Thanks for the response! I appreciate all the help.
Toby
--- chyde <chyde@primelink1.net> wrote:
> Toby,
> I tried sending you a photo of one of my vintage
> light fixtures "off list"
> and it doesn't seem to want to go. Does your
> provider limit the size of file
> you can receive?
> Colin Hyde
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Message Number: 32
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:00:35 -0700
From: "Dave Huffman" <huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Chargers and care
Until this morning I was unaware that my mission in life is to destroy my
'67 Caravel batteries.
This morning I finally got around to checking the voltage on my recharging
batteries. Hmmm, 9.6 volts! I double checked the voltage meter on several
other batteries, all of which were 11.6 - 12.6 volts.
The previous owner simply kept an old Sears battery charger on all the
time. I followed suit but the battery was at the end of its service. After
installing two 6 volt golf cart batteries, I hooked up his rig again. I
topped up the battery cell water several times and all seemed OK.
Then I saw one of the new digitally controlled chargers and replaced the
big old Sears unit. But the small digital charger was apparently not up to
the demands of the two big batteries. (I think the instructions for the
small digital unit state that a larger charger may be needed to actually
bring the batteries up to full charge).
At any rate I went back to the old Sears unit. Around Labor Day I
remembered to check the batteries and the water was below the top plates. I
refilled them and this morning the water is below the plates again! I
retopped, re-hooked my old Sears, and listened to the hum of the unit and
the gas bubbling from the battery plates.
So where do I go from here?... other than learning to be compulsive on
checking my batteries on a schedule. Any recommendations for a suitable
on-board charger?
Huff
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Message Number: 33
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:59:35 -0000
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
The VAC is a group within the WBCCI organization. It always has been. The
VAC organizers/leaders did not have 100% clarity and foresight into the
future to see just what the Friend category along with the success of this
list and website would evolve into. They did not realize that definitions
would evolve, that certain assumptions would be made and that there would be
a huge success in the Friends category. The VAC is now under pressure to
conform to the original intent of its creators as well as the rules and
regulations of its parent organization. Part of this pressure is
precipitated from a VAC Friend who insisted to the corporate office of WBCCI
that as a friend that he could go to any VAC activity that he wanted without
being a member of the WBCCI. Sorry, while non members are welcome to attend
buddy rallies (most VAC rallies ARE buddy rallies) there is also a rule that
states that you can only be a buddy once. The purpose is to attract members,
not to create a class of people who don't need to be members to become
involved and enjoy the club's benefits. Admittedly we in the VAC leadership
have been unaware of, or not wishing to enforce these rules. We must now do
so to continue our existance. This action is only part of a larger action
within the WBCCI to address some issues and ABUSES within the club. It is
not dirrected to you (Friends) alone.
Please remember that without the WBCCI there would be no VAC, nor the
website nor the list. PLEASE BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE CLUB, MAKE IT BETTER
FROM THE INSIDE. Attacks from the outside will not improve anything, it will
just divide and splinter.
Scott Scheuermann
VACList Monitor,
Region 4 VAC Representative,
1st VP Cleveland Ohio Unit
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Message Number: 34
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:04:16 -0000
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
As monitor, I must ask that everyone replying to this thread please think
through it first. Take a deep breath, maybe even let it sit for a day, then
reply trying to be constructive.
Thank you,
Monitor Scott
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Message Number: 35
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:30:30 -0400
From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
I have to agree with Greg. A couple of comments:
> in VAC dues, but object to being forced to pay another $45 to
> the WBCCI in
> order to enjoy no other benefits than those I received last
> year for $10
> paid to VAC.
It's actually worse than this. WBCCI membership is $45 IF you also join a local unit, which also has dues (they probably vary from unit to unit). If you are not interested in joining a local unit, WBCCI dues are $60.
I would like to see access to the VAC technical information restored to Friends. We had been full WBCCI members until now, but had planned to drop the WBCCI membership and only belong to the VAC as Friends, because like Greg we have no current interest i
I am sure that some of the response from the leadership, and others, will be that we non-WBCCI participants need to join and participate, "you get out of it what you put into it", rallies are fun, you meet wonderful people, etc. I am sure all of that is
I understand the position of the VAC leadership with respect to the pressures that they are receiving from WBCCI. However, they also need to understand the position of those who may decline to continue as Friends of VAC - then perhaps they can convince t
Cynthia Grant
1968 Caravel project
Cynthia
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Message Number: 36
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Waldo <landyacht76@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Very well said Scott.
Thank you for your willingness to VOLUNTEER your time
to have the VAC continue.
Karen Waldo
WDCU #8440
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Message Number: 37
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:45:14 -0400
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Scott Scheuerman wrote:
>The VAC is now under pressure to
>conform to the original intent of its creators as well as the rules and
>regulations of its parent organization. Part of this pressure is
>precipitated from a VAC Friend who insisted to the corporate office of WBCCI
>that as a friend that he could go to any VAC activity that he wanted without
>being a member of the WBCCI. Sorry, while non members are welcome to attend
>buddy rallies (most VAC rallies ARE buddy rallies) there is also a rule that
>states that you can only be a buddy once. The purpose is to attract members,
>not to create a class of people who don't need to be members to become
>involved and enjoy the club's benefits.
Thanks to Scott for pointing out that the VAC leadership decision to
enforce previously unenforced rules regarding VAC membership benefits
includes tightening up on rally attendance. I neglected to mention that in
my original post.
I have absolutley no quarrel with this decision whatsoever. The WBCCI is
about rallies. As I understand it, VAC rallies are WBCCI-sanctioned events.
It seems absolutely appropriate that rally-related activites of the VAC
should be open only to VAC dues-payers who are also WBCCI members. (Though
I do wonder what's to happen to those poor souls with the really cool
Curtiss Wright railers.)
It seems wholly inappropriate, on the other hand, that "Friends" who are
not currently interested in rallies should have their right to explore the
website's technical information and newsletter archive restricted because
they do not currently choose to pay dues to a rally-sanctioning
organization. Again, why not restrict access to the rally info instead -
*that* is the uniquely WBCCI-related content of the website.
Thanks again to Scott for the response and thanks to the list master and
moderators for allowing the list to be used as a forum for exploring these
issues.
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
______________________________________________________________
Greg Hankins Happy Hank's Honey House
ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net Mt. Gilead, North Carolina
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Message Number: 38
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:40:10 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Battery Chargers and care
Install a Univolt.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 39
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:35:30 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: More on Air Conditioner Drain Pans
Contrary to information reported here earlier, there is a drain pan
arrangement for Coleman RV air conditioners and other brands besides the
DuoTherm Penguin model that Airstream currently installs as factory
equipment. I was able to run down the rumor and have located the source --
www.van-pan.com . This is a generic model that is said to fit any roof air
conditioner that mounts in a 14 x 14" opening. Listed price is $129.95. I do
not care for the way the manufacturer has provided for disposing of the
condensate which fortunately should not be very hard to modify to replicate
the method used by Airstream as discussed here. The good news is there is a
condensate drain pan for Coleman and other air conditioners which will
prevent water from running down the outside of the trailer and eventually
leaving stains to be cleaned.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 40
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:51:06 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
I've been struggling with my aluminum vent cover for quite a while. Right
now it's tied down in the closed position with tie wraps. My problem is:
I've got two vent operators (cylinders & handles) that I can't get to turn.
They appear in very good shape. I have been told to grab the inner face
while turning the knob but there is very little to grab onto and I'm afraid
I will deface the surface that connects to the vent cover.
My fan appears to be dead. Otherwise the fan and vent are ready to rock and
roll :( I am torn between original restoration but since I already put in a
Fantastic-Vent in the A/C slot I can't see any harm with going for a second.
If anyone is interested in this piecemeal vent cover I would be willing to
pull it and ship all parts for a small stipend to help me get the Fantastic
Fan "Create a Breeze". Please contact me off line bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Toby Folwick" <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vent covers
> first of all, you're going to have a difficult if not
> impossible time finding replacement aluminum covers -
> second of all, here's why I'd replace an aluminum
> cover: to put it on a more valuable/more rare
> airstream. (preferably one of my own!)
>
> I've got 1 aluminum cover myself, and 1 missing -
> fortunately for me, an air conditioner will be taking
> the place of the lost one. But if I had another
> trailer that would benefit from that other aluminum
> cover (i.e. an "original" restoration) I'd trade it
> out on my tradewind and install a fantastic fan.
>
> Toby
>
> --- Tom <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
> > Why oh why would you replace a good aluminum cover?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Subject: [VAC] Vent covers
> >
> >
> > > I want to replace the plastic vent covers on my
> > '62 Sovereign. There are
> > > three 14x14s and one 14x25. One of the 14x14's is
> > an aluminum cover and is
> > > in good shape.
> > > Should I replace the plastic with alum. or stick
> > w/ the plastic?
> > > What is the best source for these covers?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Evans
> > > 62 Sovereign
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 41
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:30:05 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Bob,
Have you ever heard of a product called Kroil?
This stuff is fantastic and does a great job loosening frozen and even
corroded parts.
Before you give up on fixing this one, get some Kroil. You can do a search
for Kroil and you will find Kano Labs or Laboratories out of TN, they make
the product. Purchase a small sample and apply the oil to the frozen /
corroded parts. They claim the oil will *creep* (and it does!) into spaces
as small as *one-millionth* of an inch. And it works.
Tom
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
My problem is:
>
> I've got two vent operators (cylinders & handles) that I can't get to
turn.
> They appear in very good shape. I have been told to grab the inner face
> while turning the knob but there is very little to grab onto and I'm
afraid
> I will deface the surface that connects to the vent cover.
>
> My fan appears to be dead. Otherwise the fan and vent are ready to rock
and
> roll :( I am torn between original restoration but since I already put in
a
> Fantastic-Vent in the A/C slot I can't see any harm with going for a
second.
>
> If anyone is interested in this piecemeal vent cover I would be willing to
> pull it and ship all parts for a small stipend to help me get the
Fantastic
> Fan "Create a Breeze". Please contact me off line bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> 66 Airstream Safari
> Mira Mar Mobile Park
> Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 42
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:28:54 -0400
From: "Phil Renner" <phil.renner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Bob
Try removing the vent operators from the vent before you give up on them.
Pry the handles off (they are only held on by a sprung ball-bearing) to
remove.
Mine bind up also on occasion.
Phil Renner
63 O'erlander
> I've been struggling with my aluminum vent cover for quite a while. Right
> now it's tied down in the closed position with tie wraps. My problem is:
>
> I've got two vent operators (cylinders & handles) that I can't get to
turn.
> They appear in very good shape. I have been told to grab the inner face
> while turning the knob but there is very little to grab onto and I'm
afraid
> I will deface the surface that connects to the vent cover.
>
> My fan appears to be dead. Otherwise the fan and vent are ready to rock
and
> roll :( I am torn between original restoration but since I already put in
a
> Fantastic-Vent in the A/C slot I can't see any harm with going for a
second.
>
> If anyone is interested in this piecemeal vent cover I would be willing to
> pull it and ship all parts for a small stipend to help me get the
Fantastic
> Fan "Create a Breeze". Please contact me off line bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> 66 Airstream Safari
> Mira Mar Mobile Park
> Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 43
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:27:35 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Chargers and care
Many "automatic" battery chargers are almost automatic, but will
overcharge a battery that has no loads over a period of time and in the
process will remove water. Once the plates are exposed to air, those
parts that are exposed deteriorate and may never recover capacity. All
ordinary battery chargers need to be disconnected as soon as the battery
is charged (as indicated by bubbling if the charging current is large
enough), or they will remove all the water leaving only concentrated
acid.
Ordinary trailer service shouldn't require topping up the water more
often than every year or two since the charging and discharging rates
should be relatively small.
You probably need to invest in a truly automatic charger that will float
the batteries safely which the old Univolt did not and its clear that
your Sears unit does not. Three are chargers around these days that will
take super care of the battery and extend its life considerably. I know
that when I built a really good electronic voltage regulator for my VW
beatle long ago that the next replacement battery lasted twice its
guarantee life instead of dying before its guarantee was up, simply
because the careful charging with care to not overcharge was so much
better for the battery.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 44
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:32:07 -0400
From: Dick Kenan <as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: First real towing of the '74 Argosy
At 11:11 AM 9/19/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>[snip] Contrary to other opinions on the list, 18 wheelers with
>large square/flat fronts do induce a slight sway to my non-towing truck. I
>notice near identical induced sway while towing. Hardly noticeable, but it
>is there. No problem with quick lane changes as the Argosy stayed with me
>like a rock without sway or wobble. All this is completely different than
>my experience with the Reese friction cam hitches (I have two in storage as
>the Hensley stays with me if I sell my vintage trailers.)
I think there's a mis-reading of others' posts about the effect of
semis. The Hensley does not and can not prevent the bow wave from
affecting your tow vehicle. As you say, that's a small effect. I believe
the posts you were referring to only claim that they - as you - don't
notice any induced sway from the bow wave on the trailer. Your experience
is the same as mine - a slight sway as the bow wave hits my Suburban. If
my posts have misled you, then I apologize. I, too, had a very different
experience with the Reese hitch (on a different trailer). I expect that
those towing with duallys will experience less of this sway than those not
using a dually.
>I did have some difficulty doing the hookup as the draw bar would slide into
>the Hensely receiver and then lock as the taper entered. Finally had to
>withdraw and try a slightly different angle to accomplish hookup. Doesn't
>look pretty to observers when they understand that it was taking a half hour
>for a simple hookup on flat/level ground! :(
It's sometimes difficult at first, and you are having the same
learning curve as the rest of us. My experience is that it's very
important *never* to touch the tongue jack until the spring-bars have been
loosened to "just floppy and a little bit." That sets the angle at which
you unhooked into the hitch system. I also only worry about backing in
until I can engage the toggles; then, leaving the truck in reverse at idle,
I use them to pull the hitch the rest of the way in.
Joy, I hope you love living in your trailer. Those experiences on
I-10, combined with posts from others about I-10, have convinced me not to
use it west of Florida...You've scared me silly with your description of
the semis trying not to skish your truck. ;-)
- Dick
(5368)
"God Himself, sir, does not propose to judge a man until his life is over.
Why should you and I?"
-Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784)
---------------------------------------
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/
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Message Number: 45
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:27:16 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
Cynthia,
There is no free lunch for anyone.
You say you'd be willing to pay more, pay a surcharge, etc.
You also the WBCCI dues are becoming a burden? But you'd still be willing
to pay more for other things as long as it's not either $45 or $60 to WBCCI.
You also said:
"In our case, we are already overwhelmed with activities and old friends to
keep up with - airplane restoration, flying, airport, and airplane club
activities (EAA), historical reenactment (we had to cut way back on that as
it was too time-consuming), old caving friends, Ron's veteran's group, not
to mention working full-time and then some; in addition, our parents are
getting older and are taking increasing amounts."
I'm sure that it has occured to you by now that with *all* of your
activities and things that take up your time that the *WBCCI is a bargain*
to be invested in especially for all the "technical" issues you want and
need information for. How could you ever feel otherwise?
IF the $45 or $60 dues to WBCCI is a genuine hardship (see under "burden"
above) then it might be really wise on your part financially to give up
something that costs you a whole lot more than the inexpensive dues to
belong to such a wonderful organization.
It is really difficult for me to believe in your case outlined as you have
done so with all your activities and things you spend money on today that
the chump change amount of $45 or even $60 is a burden to use your word.
I'd suggest cutting out something like quality dinners at Mickey D's as an
example of just one way to cut down your expenses. Just kidding!
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> It's actually worse than this. WBCCI membership is $45 IF you also join a
local unit, which also has dues (they probably vary from unit to unit). If
you are not interested in joining a local unit, WBCCI dues are $60.
>
> I would like to see access to the VAC technical information restored to
Friends. We had been full WBCCI members until now, but had planned to drop
the WBCCI membership and only belong to the VAC as Friends, because like
Greg we have no current interest in caravanning and rallies, and the $60
WBCCI dues are becoming a burden. However, the VAC technical information is
very valuable to us. The VAC dues increase to $20 is fine with me, and as a
Friend I would be willing to pay an extra $10 or so surcharge to be able to
access the technical archives without belonging to WBCCI.
>
> I am sure that some of the response from the leadership, and others, will
be that we non-WBCCI participants need to join and participate, "you get out
of it what you put into it", rallies are fun, you meet wonderful people,
etc. I am sure all of that is true. But the reality is that not everyone
has the time to participate in another organization, no matter how
worthwhile. In our case, we are already overwhelmed with activities and old
friends to keep up with - airplane restoration, flying, airport, and
airplane club activities (EAA), historical reenactment (we had to cut way
back on that as it was too time-consuming), old caving friends, Ron's
veteran's group, not to mention working full-time and then some; in
addition, our parents are getting older and are taking increasing amounts of
our time.
>
> I understand the position of the VAC leadership with respect to the
pressures that they are receiving from WBCCI. However, they also need to
understand the position of those who may decline to continue as Friends of
VAC - then perhaps they can convince the WBCCI leadership to let the VAC
organize its membership categories in a way meaningful to the VAC
constituents. The VAC is by nature different from other
caravanning-centered intraclubs, and should be allowed to operate
differently. In the long run this will engender good will for WBCCI as
well, as some VAC Friends may decide to upgrade to full WBCCI membership at
a point when it makes sense for them. This current policy change is having
the opposite effect.
>
> Cynthia Grant
> 1968 Caravel project
> Cynthia
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Message Number: 46
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:35:23 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Scott Scheuermann
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:00 AM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: Changes in Membership Status
"The VAC is a group within the WBCCI organization. It always has been.
The VAC organizers/leaders did not have 100% clarity and foresight into
the future to see just what the Friend category along with the success
of this list and website would evolve into. They did not realize that
definitions would evolve, that certain assumptions would be made and
that there would be a huge success in the Friends category."
Why does the VAC have to be an intraclub of the WBCCI? Was it originally
in order to attract other vintage owners to the group? The main
interests of the two groups, caravanning and restoration/rehab of older
units, don't seem close enough to require such an arrangement.
"The VAC is now under pressure to conform to the original intent of its
creators as well as the rules and regulations of its parent
organization."
>From whom is this pressure coming? WBCCI? If so, and apparently so, this
seems to be some sort of "get in line, or else" pressure. Who knows
what the "or else" is?
"The purpose (of the Buddy rally) is to attract members, not to create a
class of people who don't need to be members to become involved and
enjoy the club's benefits."
A "class of members"? What class? Or type? This smacks of elitism in my
mind. I would pay much more to be a member of the VAC alone, but not as
a part of the WBCCI, in which I have no interest.
"This action is only part of a larger action within the WBCCI to address
some issues and ABUSES within the club. It is not directed to you
(Friends) alone."
So WBCCI is wielding the force of it's status as the "parent" club to
bring intraclubs in line. I believe that the VAC could survive, and
thrive, with no connection to WBCCI at all, contrary to the following
statement. VAC members have much more going for them than attendance at
various rallies and caravans.
"Please remember that without the WBCCI there would be no VAC, nor the
website nor the list."
Not true. In order to become an intraclub, there had to be some sort of
group interested in vintage Airstreams, and for that group to petition
WBCCI for intraclub status, much like the Classic Caravan Club.
The question of WBCCI/VAC membership has been debated before, with no
resolution. If the intent is to force me to join WBCCI and fork over
$60.00 a year, for which I get a very sorry excuse for a newsletter, and
then pay an additional amount to be a VAC member, it won't work. The
request for additional money will go in the same bucket as the latest
plea to join WBCCI. I would rather send my $60.00 to the VAC for their
use. The VAC newsletter/magazine and website are far more informative
than anything that WBCCI puts out.
Maybe WBCCI wastes too much money paying for the expenses of the
officers to travel to different rallies to afford a better publication
and more information.
Maybe the VAC leadership ought to explore the possibility of severing
the umbilical with WBCCI, since they seem to be much more frugal and
able to operate on much less money, with a more dedicated membership.
Bob Hightower
'76 Sov
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Message Number: 47
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:37:54 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Here's a question that's going to be on everyone's mind as they
evaluate Don's 1976 covers below. What year did Airstream change from
the squarish all aluminum baking pan style cover to the rounded corner
style of cover? It was after 1965, that's all I know. Anyone?
RJ
'57 Flying Cloud
'65 Caravel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:17 AM
> To: donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net; VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Vent covers
>
> I replaced the 3 original aluminum vent covers on my 76
> sovereign with the
> replacement plastic covers a two years ago. Then last year I
> replaced one
> entire vent unit with a fantastic fan and will probably add
> another later
> on. I still have the 3 original aluminum vent covers and the
> actual housing
> from the one where I put in the Fantastic fan. The aluminum
> covers are in
> good shape except for the plastic insert on top which was
> completely gone by
> the time I got the trailer. If anyone is interesting in these
> parts let me
> know.
> Don Hardman
> 1976 31' Sovereign
------------------------------
Message Number: 48
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:56:40 -0400
From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
Tom,
I'm sure you mean well, but your reply illustrates my point. Paying any amount of money for services you don't use, no matter how worthwhile those services are to others, can become a burden. There are many worthwhile activities and organizations in thethemselves in. At the moment our Airstream project is on hold because of other priorities, so in a way whether or not we can access the archives is a moot point anyway.
I hope that in time the WBCCI can reconsider their position with respect to VAC membership, but that will never happen unless people who are affected by their decision let them know how they feel. Then they can choose to change or not, and individuals ca
Cynthia
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom [mailto:tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:27 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Subject: [VAC] WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
>
>
> Cynthia,
>
> There is no free lunch for anyone.
>
> You say you'd be willing to pay more, pay a surcharge, etc.
>
> You also the WBCCI dues are becoming a burden? But you'd
> still be willing
> to pay more for other things as long as it's not either $45
> or $60 to WBCCI.
>
> You also said:
> "In our case, we are already overwhelmed with activities and
> old friends to
> keep up with - airplane restoration, flying, airport, and
> airplane club
> activities (EAA), historical reenactment (we had to cut way
> back on that as
> it was too time-consuming), old caving friends, Ron's
> veteran's group, not
> to mention working full-time and then some; in addition, our
> parents are
> getting older and are taking increasing amounts."
>
> I'm sure that it has occured to you by now that with *all* of your
> activities and things that take up your time that the *WBCCI
> is a bargain*
> to be invested in especially for all the "technical" issues
> you want and
> need information for. How could you ever feel otherwise?
>
> IF the $45 or $60 dues to WBCCI is a genuine hardship (see
> under "burden"
> above) then it might be really wise on your part financially
> to give up
> something that costs you a whole lot more than the inexpensive dues to
> belong to such a wonderful organization.
>
> It is really difficult for me to believe in your case
> outlined as you have
> done so with all your activities and things you spend money
> on today that
> the chump change amount of $45 or even $60 is a burden to use
> your word.
>
> I'd suggest cutting out something like quality dinners at
> Mickey D's as an
> example of just one way to cut down your expenses. Just kidding!
>
> Tom
> WBCCI 5303
>
>
> From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>
> > It's actually worse than this. WBCCI membership is $45 IF
> you also join a
> local unit, which also has dues (they probably vary from unit
> to unit). If
> you are not interested in joining a local unit, WBCCI dues are $60.
> >
> > I would like to see access to the VAC technical information
> restored to
> Friends. We had been full WBCCI members until now, but had
> planned to drop
> the WBCCI membership and only belong to the VAC as Friends,
> because like
> Greg we have no current interest in caravanning and rallies,
> and the $60
> WBCCI dues are becoming a burden. However, the VAC technical
> information is
> very valuable to us. The VAC dues increase to $20 is fine
> with me, and as a
> Friend I would be willing to pay an extra $10 or so surcharge
> to be able to
> access the technical archives without belonging to WBCCI.
> >
> > I am sure that some of the response from the leadership,
> and others, will
> be that we non-WBCCI participants need to join and
> participate, "you get out
> of it what you put into it", rallies are fun, you meet
> wonderful people,
> etc. I am sure all of that is true. But the reality is that
> not everyone
> has the time to participate in another organization, no matter how
> worthwhile. In our case, we are already overwhelmed with
> activities and old
> friends to keep up with - airplane restoration, flying, airport, and
> airplane club activities (EAA), historical reenactment (we
> had to cut way
> back on that as it was too time-consuming), old caving friends, Ron's
> veteran's group, not to mention working full-time and then some; in
> addition, our parents are getting older and are taking
> increasing amounts of
> our time.
> >
> > I understand the position of the VAC leadership with respect to the
> pressures that they are receiving from WBCCI. However, they
> also need to
> understand the position of those who may decline to continue
> as Friends of
> VAC - then perhaps they can convince the WBCCI leadership to
> let the VAC
> organize its membership categories in a way meaningful to the VAC
> constituents. The VAC is by nature different from other
> caravanning-centered intraclubs, and should be allowed to operate
> differently. In the long run this will engender good will
> for WBCCI as
> well, as some VAC Friends may decide to upgrade to full WBCCI
> membership at
> a point when it makes sense for them. This current policy
> change is having
> the opposite effect.
> >
> > Cynthia Grant
> > 1968 Caravel project
> > Cynthia
>
>
>
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Message Number: 49
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:58:37 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
The corners on my vent cover are round. '68 Caravel. Gerald J.
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Message Number: 50
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:58:49 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Chargers and care
Better yet, in my opinion, install a Intelipower converter and a Charge
Wizard three stage battery charge controller.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 14:40
Subject: [VAC] Re: Battery Chargers and care
> Install a Univolt.
>
> Andy
> inlandrv.com
> airstreamparts.com
>
>
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Message Number: 51
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:30:29 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Here is a quote from the earliest issue of the VAC newsletter:
"If you are not now a member of WBCCI, the Vintage Club will be glad to
sponsor you and assist you with the procedure. This is a necessary step
before joining the Vintage Club."
If you read the description of membership levels in later issues of the
Advantage, all levels require WBCCI membership except that of Friend. As a
Friend, you get the newsletter only, and are not a full member.
If you want all the benefits of a full Member, then join the WBCCI like you
are supposed to. Vintage parking and other perks at Region and
International Rallies are possible only because we are an intraclub of the
WBCCI. Otherwise, we'd have to fend off those ugly slab-sided plastic
things.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 52
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:14:36 -0400
From: "Terry Jones" <wvlogcabin@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Way to go Bob!!
I have to agree with you in each and every statement you have made.
This from another husband and wife who do not want to be a part of the
WBCCI.
Terry & Joy Jones
Romney, WV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hightower" <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:35 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Changes in Membership Status
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
> Scott Scheuermann
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:00 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Changes in Membership Status
>
>
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Message Number: 53
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:26:26 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: *no* Changes in Membership Status
The VAC Intra-Club came about because of the WBCCI members who petitioned to
do so. Without the WBCCI there would be *no* VAC.
Sounds pretty simple to understand when you stand back and take a look at
the big picture, Bob.
I highly doubt that your idea you posted suggesting that the VAC distance or
remove itself from the WBCCI would ever fly. Many of the long time members
of WBCCI still have and use on a regular basis, vintage Airstream travel
trailers. Due to the nature of these units being kept and kept up by those
WBCCI members the VAC came about as a nice way to have extra relationships
develop with other WBCCI members who you may not have ever come to know.
I would suggest to you that you take a look at the other Intra-Clubs at
WBCCI. There are lots of other clubs inside of WBCCI like the computer club
for one. Would you suggest that those computer club members also remove
themselves from WBCCI? And all the others should also follow suit?
It seems to me that the dues for BOTH the WBCCI and the VAC are very
reasonable. If anyone is having a hard time justifying this puny amount of
money how the heck can you even afford to think about putting lots of money,
not to mention thousands of hours, into an older travel trailer?
Seems to me that if you saved enough of your hard earned nickels and dimes
you'd soon have enough to buy scrap aluminum to make your own individual
vintage trailer one day. Of course, it wouldn't be an Airstream you
understand but you'd then have your wish of being out on your own all by
yourself.
One easy way for people to save money is to always pay your daily expenses
with paper money. When you get back home put your pocket change into a huge
piggy bank. You'd be surprised at the amount you'd have at the end of each
year! ;) Then you could easily be a happy go lucky member of both the WBCCI
and the VAC.
A bargin rate of $45 or even $60 per year is not spelled: b u r d e n. A
bargain is never a burden, quite opposite.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Bob Hightower" <nk7m@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
> Scott Scheuermann
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:00 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Changes in Membership Status
>
> "The VAC is a group within the WBCCI organization. It always has been.
> The VAC organizers/leaders did not have 100% clarity and foresight into
> the future to see just what the Friend category along with the success
> of this list and website would evolve into. They did not realize that
> definitions would evolve, that certain assumptions would be made and
> that there would be a huge success in the Friends category."
>
> Why does the VAC have to be an intraclub of the WBCCI? Was it originally
> in order to attract other vintage owners to the group? The main
> interests of the two groups, caravanning and restoration/rehab of older
> units, don't seem close enough to require such an arrangement.
>
> "The VAC is now under pressure to conform to the original intent of its
> creators as well as the rules and regulations of its parent
> organization."
>
> >From whom is this pressure coming? WBCCI? If so, and apparently so, this
> seems to be some sort of "get in line, or else" pressure. Who knows
> what the "or else" is?
>
> "The purpose (of the Buddy rally) is to attract members, not to create a
> class of people who don't need to be members to become involved and
> enjoy the club's benefits."
>
> A "class of members"? What class? Or type? This smacks of elitism in my
> mind. I would pay much more to be a member of the VAC alone, but not as
> a part of the WBCCI, in which I have no interest.
>
> "This action is only part of a larger action within the WBCCI to address
> some issues and ABUSES within the club. It is not directed to you
> (Friends) alone."
>
> So WBCCI is wielding the force of it's status as the "parent" club to
> bring intraclubs in line. I believe that the VAC could survive, and
> thrive, with no connection to WBCCI at all, contrary to the following
> statement. VAC members have much more going for them than attendance at
> various rallies and caravans.
>
> "Please remember that without the WBCCI there would be no VAC, nor the
> website nor the list."
>
> Not true. In order to become an intraclub, there had to be some sort of
> group interested in vintage Airstreams, and for that group to petition
> WBCCI for intraclub status, much like the Classic Caravan Club.
>
> The question of WBCCI/VAC membership has been debated before, with no
> resolution. If the intent is to force me to join WBCCI and fork over
> $60.00 a year, for which I get a very sorry excuse for a newsletter, and
> then pay an additional amount to be a VAC member, it won't work. The
> request for additional money will go in the same bucket as the latest
> plea to join WBCCI. I would rather send my $60.00 to the VAC for their
> use. The VAC newsletter/magazine and website are far more informative
> than anything that WBCCI puts out.
>
> Maybe WBCCI wastes too much money paying for the expenses of the
> officers to travel to different rallies to afford a better publication
> and more information.
>
> Maybe the VAC leadership ought to explore the possibility of severing
> the umbilical with WBCCI, since they seem to be much more frugal and
> able to operate on much less money, with a more dedicated membership.
>
> Bob Hightower
> '76 Sov
------------------------------
Message Number: 54
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:27:07 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Rounded radius versus square 90 degree corners?
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:58 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vent covers
> The corners on my vent cover are round. '68 Caravel. Gerald J.
> --
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> Reproduction by permission only.
>
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Message Number: 55
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:28:53 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Absolutely correct, Roger.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
1969 29' International Ambassador
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
> Here is a quote from the earliest issue of the VAC newsletter:
>
> "If you are not now a member of WBCCI, the Vintage Club will be glad to
> sponsor you and assist you with the procedure. This is a necessary step
> before joining the Vintage Club."
>
> If you read the description of membership levels in later issues of the
> Advantage, all levels require WBCCI membership except that of Friend. As
a
> Friend, you get the newsletter only, and are not a full member.
>
> If you want all the benefits of a full Member, then join the WBCCI like
you
> are supposed to. Vintage parking and other perks at Region and
> International Rallies are possible only because we are an intraclub of the
> WBCCI. Otherwise, we'd have to fend off those ugly slab-sided plastic
> things.
>
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
> Mesa, AZ
> n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net
------------------------------
Message Number: 56
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:29:33 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Chargers and care
Jim,
Do you have any URL's to share in regards to this setup?
Thanks.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Battery Chargers and care
> Better yet, in my opinion, install a Intelipower converter and a Charge
> Wizard three stage battery charge controller.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 14:40
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Battery Chargers and care
>
>
> > Install a Univolt.
> >
> > Andy
> > inlandrv.com
> > airstreamparts.com
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 57
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:41:53 +0000
From: mani <mani@xxxxxxxxxx.nl>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
Dear Don,
I miss two aluminum covers (14 x 14') on my Safari '66 that I brought last year
from the US to the Netherlands. I am working hard to get that trailer as
original as possible. So (if it is the same size)......... I am very
interested.
I also contacted Bob Kiger who struggled with his operators and was offering an
aluminum cover of his Safari. But I advised him to try with oil first (we call
it 'creeping oil' in the Netherlands). With me it worked after two weeks with
two operators that were stuck.
Victor Mani mani@xxxxxxxxxx.nl
66 Airstyream Safari
Watertorenweg 180
3063 HA Rotterdam
Netherlands
Don Hardman wrote:
> I replaced the 3 original aluminum vent covers on my 76 sovereign with the
> replacement plastic covers a two years ago. Then last year I replaced
> one.........
------------------------------
Message Number: 58
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:38:09 EDT
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Greg: My wife and I are 8 months into ownership of our "new" 1969 Tradewind
and the VAC list has been of significant help and interest. I have felt the
same as you when I learned of the "changes". I appreciate your taking the
time and effort to write your letter. I agree 100% and will indicate so to
Mr.Moore.
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
------------------------------
Message Number: 59
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:39:13 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: WBCCI dues a "burden"? Don't think so
Cynthia,
There is only one way to have everything you personally "need" from the VAC.
As an Intra-Club you must be a member of the WBCCI. No if's and's or but's
about it.
If it wasn't for the WBCCI there would not be a VAC.
I'm sure that most of us have or do belong to organizations and there are
parts of those same organizations that we personally like better than
others. However, the club is a total of the sum of all the parts.
If you want to partake of part of an organization and the rules specify that
you must join the main club to then join the intraclub that's the way it is.
If you do not find value in this setup you have but one alternative. And
that is just another of the many choices you will have to make for yourself
on a day to day basis. I would hope that you'd find that just belonging to
such a great organization is more than enough to justify this very small
amount of dues money.
Your other hobbies and interests seem on the surface to be far more
expensive than everything you get by being a member of both the WBCCI and
the VAC. I'm sure that others use parts of a club more than another but
those other people need the parts you don't seem to want to pay for. Surely
the value you seek is more than worth the small amount of dues it costs you
to belong to both.
Tom
From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Tom,
>
> I'm sure you mean well, but your reply illustrates my point. Paying any
amount of money for services you don't use, no matter how worthwhile those
services are to others, can become a burden. There are many worthwhile
activities and organizations in the world, but I can't afford to belong to
all of them, so I have to choose to belong to the ones that I get value
from. I get a lot of value from the VAC - including the great newsletter,
and until now, the technical parts of the web site, so I'm happy to pay my
fair share for those benefits. Since I don't do rallies or caravans, I
really can't justify paying dues to an rally/caravanning organizaton. I'm
sure there are some fine stamp-collecting clubs, but since I don't collect
stamps I don't belong to those, either. Sorry, but I don't think $60 is
"chump change". I'm not poor, but I don't have so much money that I don't
have to pick and choose as to where it goes - which is the situation that I
think most people find
> themselves in. At the moment our Airstream project is on hold because of
other priorities, so in a way whether or not we can access the archives is a
moot point anyway.
>
> I hope that in time the WBCCI can reconsider their position with respect
to VAC membership, but that will never happen unless people who are affected
by their decision let them know how they feel. Then they can choose to
change or not, and individuals can choose to join or not. I certainly
didn't mean to offend anyone or anyone's choice of activities by my original
post.
>
> Cynthia
------------------------------
Message Number: 60
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:41:37 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
No one is forcing you to do anything against your will are they?
Can't have one without the other is the way it's set up from the very
beginning. You know this going in. What's so difficult to understand?
Tom
From: "Terry Jones" <wvlogcabin@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Way to go Bob!!
>
> I have to agree with you in each and every statement you have made.
>
> This from another husband and wife who do not want to be a part of the
> WBCCI.
>
> Terry & Joy Jones
> Romney, WV
------------------------------
Message Number: 61
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:33:17 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Still More on AC Drain Pans
The saga continues. I called the parts man, Billy, at the Airstream dealer
in Jackson, MS and was told that condensate drain pans for Coleman and other
brands of roof air conditioners are available from Jackson Center. He seemed
puzzled that I would even ask if they were available. He said that Airstream
has three or four different types so you need to know the model air
conditioner to be sure of getting the right pan.
I'm calling Airstream tomorrow to verify this report since it has long been
said that the only drain pans available were for the DuoTherm Penguin model.
The owner of Van-Pan, Tom Strautman, contradicted me when I mentioned the
Penguin pans and was quite sure that his product was the only condensate pan
available anywhere. Appears he's misinformed but we shall see.
Jim Greene (world authority on drain pans)
' 68 Tradewind
------------------------------
Message Number: 62
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:59:35 -0400
From: "Cynthia Grant" <Cynthia.Grant@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
>
> No one is forcing you to do anything against your will are they?
>
> Can't have one without the other is the way it's set up from the very
> beginning. You know this going in. What's so difficult to
> understand?
No, we didn't know this going in. Many people joined as Friends when access to the web page was available to Friends. Now it is not. That is the point - that a benefit previously available to the Friends membership classification has been taken away.
------------------------------
Message Number: 63
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:12:18 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Intellipower URL
http://www.progressivedyn.com/_frames/frames_service_converters_for_sale
.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom [mailto:tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com]
Subject: [VAC] Re: Battery Chargers and care
Jim,
Do you have any URL's to share in regards to this setup?
Thanks.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Battery Chargers and care
> Better yet, in my opinion, install a Intelipower converter and a
> Charge Wizard three stage battery charge controller.
------------------------------
Message Number: 64
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:16:38 -0400
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Greg,
Thanks for the heads up! in regards to the VAC. I should be getting my VAC
application renewal soon.
Best,
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
From: "Greg Hankins" <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
<snipped>............................................
, to make your position known to Mr. Wayne
> Moore (wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net), Membership Director, and to other VAC
> officers. <snipped>
> Greg Hankins
> '76 Trade Wind
------------------------------
Message Number: 65
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:18:05 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
So many fellow VACers have not only requested the covers but offered
encouragement for me to restore them. I have a few questions.
My existing vent operators look like little stubs. I can't tell whether
they should be rectangular or triangular or . . .
How do the operators attach to the tab on the vent cover? Upon inspection
the hole in the tab looks triangular with rounded sides. So assuming my
operators can fit in the tabs, what keeps them firmly held in the tab? One
of the operators on my front vent, which is not a fan/vent has a double
extension. The other operator on the same fixture only extends a single
length. Trying to loosen a frozen operator can scar up the "stubs" on the
end of the operator. So it appears that the only way to do any work on the
vents is to remove the entire system from the roof and onto a bench.
Yuccch!
Back at the bathroom fan/vent I will be replacing the fan motor at InlandRV.
I really appreciate Andy's work to offer aftermarket parts but in the case
of these pesky operators I think he could have made handles that were at
least shaped like the stock handles. When we spoke he explained that his
operators were better engineered to not "lose the vent" when trucking down
the highway. I like that but I like the look of the stock handles.
Sometimes a silly little thing can turn a sure sale into a tentative deal.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Phil Renner" <phil.renner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vent covers
> Bob
>
> Try removing the vent operators from the vent before you give up on them.
> Pry the handles off (they are only held on by a sprung ball-bearing) to
> remove.
>
> Mine bind up also on occasion.
>
> Phil Renner
> 63 O'erlander
------------------------------
Message Number: 66
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:19:32 -0500
From: Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
on 9/19/02 4:41 PM, Tom at tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com wrote:
> Can't have one without the other is the way it's set up from the very
> beginning. You know this going in. What's so difficult to understand?
>
It's very important to note that, in fact, "can't have one without the
other" is *not* the way the VAC has operated in the past, whatever it may
say in the charter or other literature.
Scott Scheuermann's (VACList Monitor, Region 4 VAC Representative, 1st VP
Cleveland Ohio Unit) response to my initial post acknowledges that:
"The VAC organizers/leaders did not have 100% clarity and foresight into the
future to see just what the Friend category along with the success of this
list and website would evolve into. They did not realize that definitions
would evolve, that certain assumptions would be made and that there would be
a huge success in the Friends category. The VAC is now under pressure to
conform to the original intent of its creators as well as the rules and
regulations of its parent organization."
Moreover, no "clarification of a mis-interpretation" would have been
necessary from Membership Director Wayne Moore had it all been so simple to
understand.
In fact, I as a non-WBCCI vintage Airstream owner have enjoyed access to the
members-only portions of the VAC website for over a year now, as have others
in my membership class.
So, "Can't have one without the other" has not been the reality on the
ground for some time.
I have no quarrel with the notion that some VAC activities -- those that are
related to rallies and caravans -- should not be open to "Friends." I do
object to the closing of the technical information sections of the website
to "Friends."
Closing these sections of the website, which are especially valuable to new
vintage owners, is an obvious attempt to strong-arm these folks into the
WBCCI -- in many cases before they have a trailer road ready enough to take
to a rally!
It's a decision that I hope the leadership will reconsider.
The avalanche of interest that VAC has created in Airstreams has generated
more positive press, more media exposure, more BUZZ, about Airstream
products than anything WBCCI, Airstream, or Thor have done in years, and
years, and years. It has outstanding potential to bring new members
voluntarily into the WBCCI, but it cannot succeed if it tries to force feed
membership to those who don't want it.
Greg Hankins
'76 Trade Wind
------------------------------
Message Number: 67
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:22:47 EDT
From: Tryke@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Changes in Membership Status
Bob Hightower pretty much sums up my sentiments on the subject. I paid 2 yrs
membership for VAC so I could still get the VA. After the first couple of
issues of the blue Beret I knew WBCC was just not for me. At least at this
stage of my life,maybe later in my life ,but not for a while. I did not renew
my Wally Club membership when it was up. I want to stay in the VAC but , if I
have to join WBCC to be in VAC the I will no longer be in VAC. I will miss
getting the VA and there is still this list. I have no interest in
caravanning or who the next WBCC teen queen is going to be,or who makes the
best punch (who makes the best corn mash might pic my intrest {{{>;o)> )so
I don't wish to be in The Big Club. I'm interested in fixing up and using
(and showing off) of the older AS trailers. Don't get me wrong...I'm not
slamming WBCC, it's just not my cup of tea.
Trike
'53 Cruiser (frame off still in progress)
'62 Safari (frame on still in progress)
'47 Pontiac Streamliner 4dr (puller #1)
'80 GMC Crew Cab (recently aquired puller #2)
------------------------------
Message Number: 68
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:52:46 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
They are the 14" x 14" rounded corner aluminum vent cover. They originally
had a plastic insert in the top to serve as a skylight effect. This plastic
insert has long since deteriorated andthe hole remains. The question is will
they fit the opening and hardware in your model and I don't know the answer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mani" <mani@xxxxxxxxxx.nl>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vent covers
> Dear Don,
>
> I miss two aluminum covers (14 x 14') on my Safari '66 that I brought last
year
> from the US to the Netherlands. I am working hard to get that trailer as
> original as possible. So (if it is the same size)......... I am very
> interested.
>
> I also contacted Bob Kiger who struggled with his operators and was
offering an
> aluminum cover of his Safari. But I advised him to try with oil first (we
call
> it 'creeping oil' in the Netherlands). With me it worked after two weeks
with
> two operators that were stuck.
>
> Victor Mani mani@xxxxxxxxxx.nl
> 66 Airstyream Safari
> Watertorenweg 180
> 3063 HA Rotterdam
> Netherlands
>
>
> Don Hardman wrote:
>
> > I replaced the 3 original aluminum vent covers on my 76 sovereign with
the
> > replacement plastic covers a two years ago. Then last year I replaced
> > one.........
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 69
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:55:10 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Still More on AC Drain Pans
Keep up the good work Jim, I am saving all of your post for future
reference.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: [VAC] Still More on AC Drain Pans
> The saga continues. I called the parts man, Billy, at the Airstream dealer
> in Jackson, MS and was told that condensate drain pans for Coleman and
other
> brands of roof air conditioners are available from Jackson Center. He
seemed
> puzzled that I would even ask if they were available. He said that
Airstream
> has three or four different types so you need to know the model air
> conditioner to be sure of getting the right pan.
>
> I'm calling Airstream tomorrow to verify this report since it has long
been
> said that the only drain pans available were for the DuoTherm Penguin
model.
> The owner of Van-Pan, Tom Strautman, contradicted me when I mentioned the
> Penguin pans and was quite sure that his product was the only condensate
pan
> available anywhere. Appears he's misinformed but we shall see.
>
> Jim Greene (world authority on drain pans)
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
>
>
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Message Number: 70
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:45:04 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Chargers and care
Tom, check the archives -- www.tompatterson.com . There's been a lot written
about the InteliPower converters and a number of folks on the list have
replaced their Univolts with them with good results -- myself included. All
the RV stores carry them -- www.campingworld.com and www.camperschoice.com
(where I got mine) to name a couple. The best prices I have seen are on Ebay
from a company called Truck and RV Supply. A search should find their
auctions and buy it now items. They don't always have the InteliPowers but
generally do from time to time.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 17:29
Subject: [VAC] Re: Battery Chargers and care
> Jim,
>
> Do you have any URL's to share in regards to this setup?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom
>
------------------------------
Message Number: 71
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:05:02 -0700
From: Jeffrey Engle <bedheads@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Belt insert..
OK, here's a good one for ya, About a year and a half ago I got some of
that blue insert that goes in the belt around the outside of the trailer
that connects the belly to the top and ever since I put it on the darn
stuff shrinks and expands depending on how warm/cold it gets. It seems
to want to pop out in the strangest places! Help!........Jeff 77
Sovereign
------------------------------
Message Number: 72
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:55:41 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Belt insert..
Jeff I replaced both the middle and lower insert on my 76 Sovereign and it
looks great. No problems like you describe; and hear in Houston TX, if
anything is going to shrink or expand due to changes in the weather, it
will. Where did you get the insert.
Don Hardman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Engle" <bedheads@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:05 PM
Subject: [VAC] Belt insert..
> OK, here's a good one for ya, About a year and a half ago I got some of
> that blue insert that goes in the belt around the outside of the trailer
> that connects the belly to the top and ever since I put it on the darn
> stuff shrinks and expands depending on how warm/cold it gets. It seems
> to want to pop out in the strangest places! Help!........Jeff 77
> Sovereign
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 73
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:58:27 +0000
From: mani <mani@xxxxxxxxxx.nl>
Subject: Re: Vent covers
I just went out, made some light (it is 1.30 at night) and took the sizes of
the cover that is still left.
The total length of the cover is 385 x 385 mm. 1 inch is 25,4 mm so that comes
down to 15,16 inch.
The round corners have a radius of about 1 inch. That means that the straight
part is a bit more
than 13 inch long. Is this all correct??
My cover (front) is totaly closed and has a flat top. Maybe / probably the
bathroom had one with a
plastic insert? No problem to rapair that.
What you call the hardware that are the original operators.
Victor
Don Hardman wrote:
> They are the 14" x 14" rounded corner aluminum vent cover. They originally
> had a plastic insert in the top to serve as a skylight effect. This plastic
> insert has long since deteriorated andthe hole remains. The question is will
> they fit the opening and hardware in your model and I don't know the answer.
>
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Message Number: 74
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:57:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Still More on AC Drain Pans
ain't 'nothin like a junk-yard dog on your side.
Go get 'em Jim -
toby
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