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Today's Topics:
1. Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
2. Re: n the mend
3. Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
4. Re: n the mend
5. Re: Airstream factory service
6. Re: n the mend
7. Re:
8. Re: on the mend
9. identifying my model
10. Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
11. old fridge
12. Re: identifying my model
13. Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
14. Re: n the mend
15. Re: Diesel Options
16. Re: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
17. Damn shocks.
18. Re: Damn shocks.
19. 1970 Caravel for sale
20. Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
21. Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
22. Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
23. PDA anyone?
24. Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
25. Re: PDA anyone?
26. Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
27. Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
28. Re: Damn shocks.
29. $30k - Clearance Price - 2001 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstroke
30. Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
31. Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
32. [No Subject]
33. Re: identifying my model
34. North Carolina $30k - Clearance Price - 2001 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstroke
35. [No Subject]
36. Storage Bins, maybe the most anal question!
37. Re: Storage Bins, maybe the most anal question!
38. Re: Storage Bins, maybe the most anal question!
39. Re: FW: body repairs and source for dinette that turns into bed
40. PDA anyone?
41. AC Question
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Message Number: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:19:19 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
Can anybody identify the ' 62 Tradewind described on this web site? I
suspect it's some sort of overseas caravan model. That's a guess.
The web site is as follows:
http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1654&referreri
d=159
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 2
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:59:47 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: n the mend
howdy ,
Pleased to report that the bathroom floor in my 63 flying cloud is healing up
nicely , I replaced the whole four foot section
( at times I wished I had taken Bob`s advice -less is more ... but I wanted
the strength of having the full section for and aft - more is more ! ) I put
a seam on top of the small angle iron between 2nd and 3rd crosspiece (about
1/3 of the distance side to side in my unit ) . I also welded in new 12 ga .
crosspieces bent on brake which I lightened up by burning holes in to match
stamped originals . I could have used 14 ga. , the old ones were maybe 18 . So
I added 10 lbs or so there , but plan on batterys under front sofa which will
balance load . Used Por 15 paint on frame and west epoxy on edge of plywood .
Cut a template of cardboard , then one of luan , then cut the real thing . I
allowed 1/8 inch fudge factor which was about right . I used fir marine
plywood because of the extra plys over regular cdx , I was going to use
meranti plywood for its durability , but decided against it for the increased
weight , (and cost !)
All This maybe be of more interest to me , But it was from similar posts
here that I got brave enough to attempt the repair on my trailer . If there
is anything learned to pass along , its that you can pound unmercilessly on
flooring to get it in without damaging anything - I thought for sure I`d get a
flat dent somewhere but all was ok . On a 63 , you can bend the tabs which
hold skin on up to let the new piece in over the one thats in already , for
that matter the verticals on my trailer were legged out in the rear with
smaller pieces at factory, I could have drilled out the rivets there and had
more room to slide under . The whole rear skin will self support itself while
you remove floor .
I plan on using a piece on aluminium angle over the tabs in rear and
another under the flat strip that the rear bolts go thru underneath to to
insure that the rear end doesnt seperate ever , although my bumper was solid
even with the rotten floor .
Next on with rewiring which leads me to a question - is the 110 wire
something special for RV use ? it seems like the ground wire is much skinnier
and easier to work with than regular 12 /2 w ground for houses. So I still
have the end caps to remove , but then she starts to go back together and I
can have the upstairs of the barn back - stuff takes up a lot of room for
fitting in a 22` trailer !
Chris - 63 flying Cloud
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Message Number: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:37:04 -0600
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
interesting... i wonder if it had wbcci numbers on it?
tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: [VAC] Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
> Can anybody identify the ' 62 Tradewind described on this web site? I
> suspect it's some sort of overseas caravan model. That's a guess.
> The web site is as follows:
>
>
>
http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1654&referreri
> d=159
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:40:16 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: n the mend
Chris Elliott wrote:
> <snip>
> Next on with rewiring which leads me to a question - is the 110 wire
> something special for RV use ? it seems like the ground wire is much skinnier
> and easier to work with than regular 12 /2 w ground for houses. So I still
> have the end caps to remove , but then she starts to go back together and I
> can have the upstairs of the barn back - stuff takes up a lot of room for
> fitting in a 22` trailer !
Chris,
As far as I know, the cable is stock type NM (Romex). If you have a 15 amp
circuit the cable will be 14-2, 12-2 for a 20 amp. Back in the 60s the ground
wire was legal at 2 sizes under the connector size, but I believe the minimum was
16 gauge so that is probably what you are looking at in either cable size. Cable
is not made with undersize grounds any more, I forget how many codes ago it was
changed, maybe as many as 5 or 6 issues ago. (Three years between issues, current
issue is 2002). As time goes by, changes in usage of power, type of connected
load, etc. are reflected in code requirements. I can remember when polyphase
loads were allowed to have smaller neutrals, now with all the computer loads and
their harmonics, the neutral is required to be LARGER than the hot legs.
Does your trailer come from the time frame of the aluminum conductors, or is it
from before that? If your conductors are aluminum, I would make every effort to
change everything.
>
> Chris - 63 flying Cloud
>
Matt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 5
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:36:42 -0400
From: "Charles" <snowabode@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Airstream factory service
The service and quality work I have received is impeccable. The cost for
parts and labor is high in comparison to most other places but I think it's
worth it. The discount they offer might bring them in line.
Charles L.
Central Ohio
http://home.columbus.rr.com/snowabode
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Message Number: 6
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:08:19 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: n the mend
Matt Worner wrote:
> Chris Elliott wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > Next on with rewiring which leads me to a question - is the 110 wire
> > something special for RV use ? it seems like the ground wire is much skinnier
> > and easier to work with than regular 12 /2 w ground for houses. So I still
> > have the end caps to remove , but then she starts to go back together and I
> > can have the upstairs of the barn back - stuff takes up a lot of room for
> > fitting in a 22` trailer !
>
> Chris,
> <snip> Back in the 60s the ground wire was legal at 2 sizes under the connector
> size,
DUH! Make that conductor size. Senior moment.
Matt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 7
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:57:45 -0500
From: "Stephen Franks" <franksatc@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re:
Not too long ago someone was looking for the couch frame that folds out and
makes a bed for an Airstream. If you still need one, you might contact Eric
Drugge at 508-400-7110 or at edrugge@xxxxxxxxxx.net. He has one for sale along
with some interior parts from a Globetrotter.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
I also have a road side couch frame that folds out for a 68 20'
Globetrotter complete with original storage bins if anyone is interested.
It does have a minimal amount of water damage but I have no use for it. I'm
located in Enterprise, Al. Let me know at franksatc@xxxxxxxxxx.net.
Todd and Jenn
'68 Globetrotter
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:06:58 -0400
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: on the mend
Thanks for the reply , Matt . I read it as conductor anyway !
I`m going to rewire most of it , if not all , its copper , but the cloth covered
kind , a mouse ate some of it and all the interior panels are down so its accessable .
My friend will help me hook it up , and hook up my solar too , so its up to code . I`m
putting the panels on roof that will flip down as an awning for side windows on
streetside , planning on running wire inside walls for that . Already have a hole
there so its not like I`m drilling a new one. Thinking of ways to support skin under
solar panel attachment now , I dont want to buckle it from the weight of solar stuff .
I`m using three small panels the same size as the windows , not that heavy , but it
adds up plus the bump factor from bad roads. Might look in to alum piano hinges
somebody mentioned recently. Most likely will weigh less than a zip dee anyway - and
about the same money .
Thanks again ,
Chris - on the road by 2003 - I hope ...
>
> Matt wrote :
>
> > Chris,
> > <snip> Back in the 60s the ground wire was legal at 2 sizes under the connector
> > size,
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> DUH! Make that conductor size. Senior moment.
>
> Matt
>
> --
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Message Number: 9
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:33:43 EDT
From: SWEIL@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: identifying my model
I've had a '58 airstream for many years but not really sure which model.
There does not seem to be an index at vintageairstreams.com, though one would
be really helpful.
Can anyone help me identify it based on these serial numbers?
serial number 22T-0108, #958, made in CA.
I believe it is a 22' Flying Cloud? I checked but could not find an index
by serial number. Suggestions?
Thanks.
Regards,
Steve Weil
Denver
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Message Number: 10
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:37:35 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
Since the website gives the serial number, doesn't it seem reasonable that
the factory could ID the unit? The owner seems to indicate that's not the
case.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 11
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:41:12 -0500
From: jim graves <homeplac@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: old fridge
hey folks,
has anybody ever tried the aluminum cleaner made for highway trailers. tried
a small spot and it seemed to liquify the oxydation. even worked on the
clear coat.
also, am looking for a couple of old refrigerators from the 50's. have one-
with a name tag missing- but it appears to be tin inside and painted outside
with a big handle that makes a very business like thunk when it closes. have
located places that rebuild them from the resto list.
thanks, jim graves
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Message Number: 12
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:41:56 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: identifying my model
Hey Steve,
If the serial number format follows mine, then this should be easy. The 22
refers to the length (22 feet), the 'T' should designate twin bed
arrangement, 108 signifies the 108 trailer of this type for this model year
and the 958 is the month and year of manufacture (Sept. '58). This would
make it a '59. There were a number of 22 foot models available in this time
period. The window and interior layouts should identify the model, i.e.:
Safari, Flying Cloud or Caravanner.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
I've had a '58 airstream for many years but not really sure which model.
There does not seem to be an index at vintageairstreams.com, though one
would be really helpful.
Can anyone help me identify it based on these serial numbers?
serial number 22T-0108, #958, made in CA.
I believe it is a 22' Flying Cloud? I checked but could not find an index
by serial number. Suggestions?
Thanks.
Regards,
Steve Weil
Denver
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Message Number: 13
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:09:11 -0600
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
Airstream changed hands a couple of times in the interim; wbcci would be a
much better bet for tracking ownership, even by serial number...
It occurs to me that it may have been built for W. Byam himself. If it was
built as a 'lead' trailer back in '62, it would have been the last 'lead'
built, since Mr. Byam passed away on July 22, 1962.
Anyone know what happened to Karnak's make/model/year or serial number book?
Tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 8:37 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Fw: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
> Since the website gives the serial number, doesn't it seem reasonable that
> the factory could ID the unit? The owner seems to indicate that's not the
> case.
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
> 1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
> Mesa, AZ
> mailto:n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 14
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:57:05 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: n the mend
In the early days of safety ground wires, reduced size of the ground
wire was the accepted practice for all romex. That's not considered
acceptable now, though I've tested circuits with the reduced size of
ground wire and while I could detect it, the voltage drop wasn't up to a
level that was hazardous at ordinary circuit currents. The big problem
is probably that on a short, the ground wire would burn open before the
hot wire and THEN there would be a serious shock hazard. Modern ROMEX
with the ground wire the same as the other wires solves that hazard.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:20:20 GMT
From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
Subject: Re: Diesel Options
> Just starting to do a little research on the Chevy/GMC
Suburban diesel
> options available in the 02 and 03 models. Thanks
>
> Don Hardman
Don,
If you are thinking about the Duramax and Allison
transmission in the *Surburban* type vehicles it's not
going to happen for a while, that's what I understand.
Supposedly there are *problems* fitting this engine/tranny
combo into the *Surburban* trucks.
Now Ford on the other hand would be delighted to offer you
the Powerstroke Diesel in one of their Excursion models
which you would dearly love. I gurantee it.
Tom
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Message Number: 16
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:52:13 -0600
From: "Fred Coldwell" <Agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
Jim:
Since I cannot run a TNA analysis on the trailer to
positively ID it, I'll offer some guesses and suggestions.
Guesses: Sounds like a 24' Double bed trailer # 708 made
in Santa fe Springs, Calif. during October 1961. The high
sequence (or serial) number 708 suggests nothing too
special. It has the optional tandem axles and optional
louvered windows and perhaps other options, which were
available in Tradewinds since 1960; see the 1960 tandem
Tradewind in R.J.'s trailer photo site. Sounds like the
toilet is in the same location and space as the shower,
although that might be a misdescription by Mark.
The single gold anodized panel is unusual (is there a
matching single panel on the other side?). Perhaps the
customer liked Wally's gold anodized African Safari
(Capetown to Cairo) trailer, asked for something similar and
was given only one gold anodized panel because a an entire
trailer's worth of gold as reserved only for Wally. Maybe
the factory was testing a new look and seeking customer
reaction. Maybe it was a lead trailer for the new model
year, as the factory suggested, and was used and shown in a
factory sponsored Caravan. Maybe a dealer speciial ordered
it to cause a stir and generate some traffic. Maybe the
factory had to unload some anodized aluminum panels because
of Wally's declining health. I'll stop guessing there.
Suggestions: Modesto sounds like California. Does the
Calif. DMV sell title searches that lists all prior owners
of a motor vehicle or trailer? Is there an old WBCCI number
on the trailer from which former owner(s) could be tracked
down? Maybe Mark could find former owners (or their
descendants) and ask them. Until he gets the CSI team on
this case, Mark will probably continue to face some
ponderables.
Fred in Denver
James Greene wrote:
>
> Can anybody identify the ' 62 Tradewind described on this web site? I
> suspect it's some sort of overseas caravan model. That's a guess.
> The web site is as follows:
>
> http://www.airstreamforums.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1654&referreri
> d=159
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
>
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Message Number: 17
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:42:42 -0400
From: frances.mierzwa@xxxxxxxxxx.ge.com
Subject: Damn shocks.
Folks,
Fran with the infamous '62 Safari THREE YEAR RESTORATION here. Wrench has
turned in the other direction, thank goodness, and she's looking great My
latest dilemma involves replacing shocks, which has become confusing.
Access to the shock mounts appears too tight for me to work without removing
front drum (and bearing) and rear drums. Has anyone pulled these inner
drums? Appears there are five 9/16" nuts on backside, and misc brake
wiring to disconnect. But this is not the problem; issue is shock mounts
are obvious on right (passenger side), but virtually non-existent on left.
Through the rust, I honestly cannot figure out how they are attached as no
stud, nut, whatever, is visible or can be felt. Again, this is exclusive to
the left shock only. Anyone?
fyi, I purchased NAPA 94005 as my "best bet" for replacement. If anyone
knows otherwise, feel free to speak up.
Fran
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Message Number: 18
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:06:13 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Damn shocks.
Apply Kroil or PB Blaster to the blobs of rust where the shock mounts
should be. After it soaks a while apply wire brush to reveal the
fasteners (or their remains). It may take several treatments and
brushings to find the parts. If the nuts and studs are rusted it may
take vice grips to remove the nuts, rusted studs may have to be
replaced. I think NAPA has the studs, at least their shock catalog shows
some shocks coming with the studs. Back about 1985, I bought shock studs
from J.C. Whitney when adding shocks (there were none from the factory)
to the rear axle of my '65 F-350. It may require welding to replace the
rusted studs on your Airstream.
Possible alternatives to the 94005 shocks include Monroe #LE40241 that
include a spring that will add about 100 pounds load capacity per shock
or Monroe #LE40575 that will add 150 pounds load capacity per shock and
either will fit in the same space as the 94005 shocks.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 19
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:05:38 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: 1970 Caravel for sale
For anyone interested in their own personal mobile parts supply shed, there
is 1970 Caravel parked on a vacant corner lot. It is located at the corner
of School House Road and US 20 in the town of Nassau, NY (near Albany, NY).
Today is Monday, 15 Sept. 2002.
Phone number is 518.477.4278
This Caravel has a for sale sign and phone number taped to the side of it.
The Airstream wasn't on that corner a week ago. I know nothing about it,
other than it appears roadworthy (otherwise how did it get to the corner?)
and has one puncture (6" diameter) on the front lower corner panel. I didn't
get out to look further. Rain was coming down in buckets.
If interested, call the number.
Terry
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Message Number: 20
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:04:54 -0700
From: "Dave Huffman" <huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
Message Number: 47
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:20:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Generators for RV Use
... the EB5000 is priced at $1789. Louder and heavier, but ...
-----------------------------------------
Ah, yes, NOISE! Nothing much more irritating around a quiet boondocking
camp than generators. Nighttime -- when you're there for the quiet?!
Daytime? I note many running all day while the inhabitants leave the noise
for the quiet of a hike, leaving their noise for their neighbors.
Huff
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Message Number: 21
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:12:58 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
Dave,
Had one, " ... the EB5000 is priced at $1789. Louder and heavier, but
...".
I sold it for that very reason! Now I have the, "More quiet" model.
Still to
loud. But, I will say the that it feels good to get into that air
conditioning
after a long hike on a 90 degree plus day.
Paul
Dave Huffman wrote:
>
> Message Number: 47
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:20:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Generators for RV Use
> ... the EB5000 is priced at $1789. Louder and heavier, but ...
> -----------------------------------------
> Ah, yes, NOISE! Nothing much more irritating around a quiet boondocking
> camp than generators. Nighttime -- when you're there for the quiet?!
> Daytime? I note many running all day while the inhabitants leave the noise
> for the quiet of a hike, leaving their noise for their neighbors.
> Huff
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Message Number: 22
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:17:49 -0600
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
I'm with you Dave, I was just in Teton National Park this past weekend with
my Airstream enjoying nature...well no listening to generators! Which by
the way as I arrived the sign at the Park office said "no generators." I
feel certain all those 150 K motorhomes could be equiped with enough solar
collectors to take care of their batteries?
Cheers, GAS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Huffman" <huff@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:04 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
> Message Number: 47
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:20:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Generators for RV Use
> ... the EB5000 is priced at $1789. Louder and heavier, but ...
> -----------------------------------------
> Ah, yes, NOISE! Nothing much more irritating around a quiet boondocking
> camp than generators. Nighttime -- when you're there for the quiet?!
> Daytime? I note many running all day while the inhabitants leave the
noise
> for the quiet of a hike, leaving their noise for their neighbors.
> Huff
>
>
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Message Number: 23
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:08:56 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: PDA anyone?
Hi RJ,
Yes, you've got that right. I now have one.
For those of us who travel year round and like having detailed data at our
fingertips, I found what seems like a "bargain" while checking out the local
Staples Store. Last week, I bought a PDA (a Handspring Visor Edge) for $100.
It was selling for $400 last September.
Granted, it was on the clearance table, but as owner of several Vintage
Airstreams, the idea of buying electronic equipment that's a year old (some
say obsolete) is right down my alley. Also on the table were Handspring
Visor accessories at up to 90% discount from a year ago.
What do I intend to do with this PDA?
So far, I've put names, addresses and phone numbers of all Airstream
dealers, Airstream parks and Vintage Parts suppliers on it. Next will be all
RV Salvage Yards on the continent. After that, will be all Airstreamers
offering courtesy parking. Beyond that, I'm still thinking.
There's even a place to include "notes" with each address. My intention is
to use it for the date and name of the mechanic who serviced my Airstream, a
description of the work done, the cost, the warranty data and comments about
my satisfaction with what he did.
Why am I doing this?
Instead of having to search for this kind of information in my memory or my
stash trunk with the maps and other "stuff," I want this data conveniently
and immediately available to me in my pocket when we're traveling.
Hopefully, it will help me to make better and more informed decisions.
Granted, this is another long term project and it probably says something
about goals and dreams we have for continuing to enjoy the Airstream
lifestyle.
On an adjacent and frivolous topic, now that men's trousers have a special
pocket for a PDA, I figured it's time for me to get with the program. I
don't want to become a dinosaur in my own time. Our kids chide me for still
using my Apple IIgs, IIc and Imagewriter printer from the 1980s. Our
relatives chide us for having tow vehicles and Airstreams almost as old as
their grandchildren. Buying something only one year old is a significant
departure from my usual style. <grin>
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
------------------------------
Message Number: 24
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:04:34 -0500
From: "Jim Combs" <jimcombs@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Noise and Generators for RV Use
Well, since I'm the one Dave quoted...
Just for the record, I wouldn't run one in a campground.
I agree that the noise intrusion is wrong. I intend
to spend some time completely away from everyone. Even
then, its use would be very limited. I don't want the
noise either.
Jimbo / '76 Sovereign
------------------------------
Message Number: 25
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:42:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: PDA anyone?
Speaking of this, I've been working on (among other
things) providing much of the information you're
talking about in AvantGo format for the new revision
of my website.
Another benefit of the PDA - if you run across the
Tylers on the road, I bet Terry would "beam" you his
notes!
Toby
--- Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> Hi RJ,
>
> Yes, you've got that right. I now have one.
>
> For those of us who travel year round and like
> having detailed data at our
> fingertips, I found what seems like a "bargain"
> while checking out the local
> Staples Store. Last week, I bought a PDA (a
> Handspring Visor Edge) for $100.
> It was selling for $400 last September.
>
> Granted, it was on the clearance table, but as owner
> of several Vintage
> Airstreams, the idea of buying electronic equipment
> that's a year old (some
> say obsolete) is right down my alley. Also on the
> table were Handspring
> Visor accessories at up to 90% discount from a year
> ago.
>
> What do I intend to do with this PDA?
>
> So far, I've put names, addresses and phone numbers
> of all Airstream
> dealers, Airstream parks and Vintage Parts suppliers
> on it. Next will be all
> RV Salvage Yards on the continent. After that, will
> be all Airstreamers
> offering courtesy parking. Beyond that, I'm still
> thinking.
>
> There's even a place to include "notes" with each
> address. My intention is
> to use it for the date and name of the mechanic who
> serviced my Airstream, a
> description of the work done, the cost, the warranty
> data and comments about
> my satisfaction with what he did.
>
> Why am I doing this?
>
> Instead of having to search for this kind of
> information in my memory or my
> stash trunk with the maps and other "stuff," I want
> this data conveniently
> and immediately available to me in my pocket when
> we're traveling.
> Hopefully, it will help me to make better and more
> informed decisions.
>
> Granted, this is another long term project and it
> probably says something
> about goals and dreams we have for continuing to
> enjoy the Airstream
> lifestyle.
>
> On an adjacent and frivolous topic, now that men's
> trousers have a special
> pocket for a PDA, I figured it's time for me to get
> with the program. I
> don't want to become a dinosaur in my own time. Our
> kids chide me for still
> using my Apple IIgs, IIc and Imagewriter printer
> from the 1980s. Our
> relatives chide us for having tow vehicles and
> Airstreams almost as old as
> their grandchildren. Buying something only one year
> old is a significant
> departure from my usual style. <grin>
>
> Terry
>
> mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 26
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:20:03 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
A picture of the trailer is at:
http://vintageairstream.com/TW-gold.jpg
RJ
--------------------
Begin forwarded message:
From: "spencer" <spencer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 09:57:31 AM US/Pacific
To: "Webmaster" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAC] Re: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
Reply-To: "spencer" <spencer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Hello,
Thanks for responding to my post of last week. I seem to be having
trouble
getting back to the site, so I'm writing back to you and will respond to
Fred's queries here, with Fred's question after the >.
Fred wrote:
> Sounds like the toilet is in the same location and space as the shower,
although that might be a misdescription by Mark.
The toilet is in the port quarter (left, rear corner) and the tub (gold,
metal flake) is in the starboard quarter (right, rear corner)
> The single gold anodized panel is unusual (is there a matching single
panel on the other side?).
Yes, there is a panel on both sides.
> Suggestions: Modesto sounds like California. Does the Calif. DMV
> sell
title searches that lists all prior owners of a motor vehicle or trailer?
It is indeed in (central) California. I'm not sure if the DMV here does
that, but I will look into it.
> Is there an old WBCCI number on the trailer from which former owner(s)
could be tracked down?
Yes, the number on the front is: 30908. That fellow (named Huggins) is
deceased.
> Maybe Mark could find former owners (or their descendants) and ask them.
His son doesn't know anything about it. : J(
> Until he gets the CSI team on this case, Mark will probably continue to
face some ponderables.
They won't answer the phone. : J)
I'll keep trying to log in to answer these questions "on list", but I'm
hoping you will forward this in the right direction, just in case.
Thanks again,
Mark Spencer
Modesto, Californa
'62 Oddball Airstream
------------------------------
Message Number: 27
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:27:08 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
RJ,
Hitting your link sends me to HTTP 404 Not found!
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Webmaster" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
> A picture of the trailer is at:
> http://vintageairstream.com/TW-gold.jpg
> RJ
> --------------------
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: "spencer" <spencer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 09:57:31 AM US/Pacific
> To: "Webmaster" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAC] Re: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
> Reply-To: "spencer" <spencer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for responding to my post of last week. I seem to be having
> trouble
> getting back to the site, so I'm writing back to you and will respond to
> Fred's queries here, with Fred's question after the >.
>
> Fred wrote:
>
> > Sounds like the toilet is in the same location and space as the shower,
> although that might be a misdescription by Mark.
>
> The toilet is in the port quarter (left, rear corner) and the tub (gold,
> metal flake) is in the starboard quarter (right, rear corner)
>
> > The single gold anodized panel is unusual (is there a matching single
> panel on the other side?).
>
> Yes, there is a panel on both sides.
>
> > Suggestions: Modesto sounds like California. Does the Calif. DMV
> > sell
> title searches that lists all prior owners of a motor vehicle or trailer?
>
> It is indeed in (central) California. I'm not sure if the DMV here does
> that, but I will look into it.
>
>
> > Is there an old WBCCI number on the trailer from which former owner(s)
> could be tracked down?
>
> Yes, the number on the front is: 30908. That fellow (named Huggins) is
> deceased.
>
> > Maybe Mark could find former owners (or their descendants) and ask them.
>
> His son doesn't know anything about it. : J(
>
>
> > Until he gets the CSI team on this case, Mark will probably continue to
> face some ponderables.
>
> They won't answer the phone. : J)
>
> I'll keep trying to log in to answer these questions "on list", but I'm
> hoping you will forward this in the right direction, just in case.
> Thanks again,
> Mark Spencer
> Modesto, Californa
> '62 Oddball Airstream
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
------------------------------
Message Number: 28
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:08:08 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Damn shocks.
I bought a shock mounting stud from Advanced Auto Parts yesterday because I
broke one trying to remove the rusted nut. Most parts houses that carry the
"Help" brand of parts will have them. Requires a 1/2 inch hole in the frame
and no welding required. Removing the old stud is the hardest part. I used
a cut off saw because my 68 studs were welded from the back of the frame.
Then I drilled a new hole for the new stud and it bolted right up.
Randy
I think NAPA has the studs, at least their shock catalog shows
> some shocks coming with the studs. Back about 1985, I bought shock studs
> from J.C. Whitney when adding shocks (there were none from the factory)
> to the rear axle of my '65 F-350. It may require welding to replace the
> rusted studs on your Airstream.
------------------------------
Message Number: 29
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:06:28 GMT
From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
Subject: $30k - Clearance Price - 2001 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstroke
Hello everyone again,
Clearance price: $30,000 takes 2001 Ford Excursion XLT with
lots of extras.
I will let this 2001 Excursion XLT go with EXTRAS: Lo-Jack
alarm system and nearly new Michelin E rated tires. The
value of this Lo-Jack alarm system that the police can
electronically track is over $800, the value of the
Michelin M+S E rated radials is almost $800 (cost to me at
time of installation was $760.00) and they were purchased
at Sam's Club in Ocala, FL.
When you add up the 'extras' like the Lo-Jack alarm, the
nearly new Michelin E rated tires and the $3360.00+ cash
that I will pay down the loan with you can see that this is
a very good price you won't find anywhere else.
There is nearly 7,000 miles left on the bumper to bumper
warranty and the engine is warranted to 101,200 miles.
I will pay down the balance owed so that the assumable loan
is only $30,000 from Ford Motor Credit. This loan "fully
assumable at 0% interest" for the life of the loan which
currently is 48 more months.
My 2001 Ford Excursion XLT with lots of upgrades and
options like limited-slip axle, heated towing mirrors, etc.
along with the Powerstroke diesel engine is picture perfect
in every way.
I can email pictures to anyone that wants to see this
beauty of a tow vehicle, just ask me off the list and send
mail to tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com and I'll get them to you
pronto.
The reason for this clearance sale price is that I finally
FOUND the 2002 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstoke Excursion
Limited Ultimate which will be our next great tow vehicle.
The dealer is arranging to have the 2002 Excursion here
very soon so I am giving others here a chance to buy what
has been a great SUV to us and should continue to be for a
very long time.
Tom Meeker
tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
(please write off list for phone number)
------------------------------
Message Number: 30
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:09:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
that gold sure would look cool polished!
toby
--- Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> A picture of the trailer is at:
> http://vintageairstream.com/TW-gold.jpg
> RJ
> --------------------
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: "spencer" <spencer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 09:57:31 AM US/Pacific
> To: "Webmaster" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAC] Re: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
> Reply-To: "spencer" <spencer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for responding to my post of last week. I
> seem to be having
> trouble
> getting back to the site, so I'm writing back to you
> and will respond to
> Fred's queries here, with Fred's question after the
> >.
>
> Fred wrote:
>
> > Sounds like the toilet is in the same location and
> space as the shower,
> although that might be a misdescription by Mark.
>
> The toilet is in the port quarter (left, rear
> corner) and the tub (gold,
> metal flake) is in the starboard quarter (right,
> rear corner)
>
> > The single gold anodized panel is unusual (is
> there a matching single
> panel on the other side?).
>
> Yes, there is a panel on both sides.
>
> > Suggestions: Modesto sounds like California.
> Does the Calif. DMV
> > sell
> title searches that lists all prior owners of a
> motor vehicle or trailer?
>
> It is indeed in (central) California. I'm not sure
> if the DMV here does
> that, but I will look into it.
>
>
> > Is there an old WBCCI number on the trailer from
> which former owner(s)
> could be tracked down?
>
> Yes, the number on the front is: 30908. That
> fellow (named Huggins) is
> deceased.
>
> > Maybe Mark could find former owners (or their
> descendants) and ask them.
>
> His son doesn't know anything about it. : J(
>
>
> > Until he gets the CSI team on this case, Mark will
> probably continue to
> face some ponderables.
>
> They won't answer the phone. : J)
>
> I'll keep trying to log in to answer these questions
> "on list", but I'm
> hoping you will forward this in the right direction,
> just in case.
> Thanks again,
> Mark Spencer
> Modesto, Californa
> '62 Oddball Airstream
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 31
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:10:19 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Oddball '62 Tradewind?
But if you polish you will remove the gold which for anodize is in the
oxide layer...
Gerald J.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.
------------------------------
Message Number: 32
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:32:16 GMT
From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
Subject: [No Subject]
Hello everyone again,
Clearance price: $30,000 takes 2001 Ford Excursion XLT with
lots of extras. 30,200k miles to date.
Color: Dark Wedgwood Blue exterior
Interior: Medium Parchment cloth
Wheels: polished aluminum
I will selling our 2001 Excursion XLT go with EXTRAS: Lo-
Jack alarm system and nearly new Michelin E rated tires.
The value of this Lo-Jack alarm system that the police can
electronically track is over $800, the value of the
Michelin M+S E rated radials is almost $800 (cost to me at
time of installation was $760.00) and they were purchased
at Sam's Club in Ocala, FL.
When you add up the 'extras' like the Lo-Jack alarm, the
nearly new Michelin E rated tires and the $3360.00+ cash
that I will pay down the loan with you can see that this is
a very good price you won't find anywhere else.
There is nearly 7,000 miles left on the bumper to bumper
warranty and the engine is warranted to 101,200 miles.
I will pay down the balance owed so that the assumable loan
is only $30,000 from Ford Motor Credit. This loan "fully
assumable at 0% interest" for the life of the loan which
currently is 48 more months.
My 2001 Ford Excursion XLT with lots of upgrades and
options like limited-slip axle, heated towing mirrors, etc.
along with the Powerstroke diesel engine is picture perfect
in every way.
I can email pictures to anyone that wants to see this
beauty of a tow vehicle, just ask me off the list and send
mail to tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com and I'll get them to you
pronto.
The reason for this clearance sale price is that I finally
FOUND the 2002 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstoke Excursion
Limited Ultimate which will be our next great tow vehicle.
The dealer is arranging to have the 2002 Excursion here
very soon so I am giving others here a chance to buy what
has been a great SUV to us and should continue to be for a
very long time.
Tom Meeker
tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
(please write off list for phone number)
------------------------------
Message Number: 33
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:34:26 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: identifying my model
Brad hit it all on the head. It is a California '59 "Flying Cloud".
California didn't nameplate their 18 or 22 footers in the mid and late
'50's, but seemed to make only one typical layout, and the Flying Cloud
name is what shows up on all the brochures from the era. Ohio on the
other hand, had 4 distinct floorplans in their '50's 22 footers.
My model to s/n list is at 17 tightly spaced pages. With two plants, a
30 year spread, and Airstream changing model # format every two years,
there is no good way to make an index at this time. I still have
pictures of 27 more trailers that people have sent me I need to put into
the archives, and up date each page with model/serial # info - so much
to do, so little time...
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
On Sunday, September 15, 2002, at 07:41 PM, Brad Norgaard wrote:
> Hey Steve,
> If the serial number format follows mine, then this should be easy. The
> 22 refers to the length (22 feet), the 'T' should designate twin bed
> arrangement, 108 signifies the 108 trailer of this type for this model
> year and the 958 is the month and year of manufacture (Sept. '58). This
> would make it a '59. There were a number of 22 foot models available in
> this time period. The window and interior layouts should identify the
> model, i.e.: Safari, Flying Cloud or Caravanner.
> Brad Norgaard
> Phoenix
> '59 Trade Wind Twin
> VAC #2699, TCT
> ------------------------------------------
> I've had a '58 airstream for many years but not really sure which
> model. There does not seem to be an index at vintageairstreams.com,
> though one would be really helpful.
> Can anyone help me identify it based on these serial numbers?
> serial number 22T-0108, #958, made in CA.
> I believe it is a 22' Flying Cloud? I checked but could not find an
> index by serial number. Suggestions?
> Thanks.
> Regards,
> Steve Weil
> Denver
------------------------------
Message Number: 34
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:34:34 GMT
From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
Subject: North Carolina $30k - Clearance Price - 2001 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstroke
This vehicle is located outside of Charlotte, NC.
Tom
> Hello everyone again,
>
> Clearance price: $30,000 takes 2001 Ford Excursion XLT
with
> lots of extras.
>
> I will let this 2001 Excursion XLT go with EXTRAS: Lo-
Jack
> alarm system and nearly new Michelin E rated tires. The
> value of this Lo-Jack alarm system that the police can
> electronically track is over $800, the value of the
> Michelin M+S E rated radials is almost $800 (cost to me
at
> time of installation was $760.00) and they were purchased
> at Sam's Club in Ocala, FL.
>
> When you add up the 'extras' like the Lo-Jack alarm, the
> nearly new Michelin E rated tires and the $3360.00+ cash
> that I will pay down the loan with you can see that this
is
> a very good price you won't find anywhere else.
>
> There is nearly 7,000 miles left on the bumper to bumper
> warranty and the engine is warranted to 101,200 miles.
>
> I will pay down the balance owed so that the assumable
loan
> is only $30,000 from Ford Motor Credit. This loan "fully
> assumable at 0% interest" for the life of the loan which
> currently is 48 more months.
>
> My 2001 Ford Excursion XLT with lots of upgrades and
> options like limited-slip axle, heated towing mirrors,
etc.
> along with the Powerstroke diesel engine is picture
perfect
> in every way.
>
> I can email pictures to anyone that wants to see this
> beauty of a tow vehicle, just ask me off the list and
send
> mail to tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com and I'll get them to you
> pronto.
>
> The reason for this clearance sale price is that I
finally
> FOUND the 2002 Ford Excursion 7.3 Powerstoke Excursion
> Limited Ultimate which will be our next great tow
vehicle.
>
> The dealer is arranging to have the 2002 Excursion here
> very soon so I am giving others here a chance to buy what
> has been a great SUV to us and should continue to be for
a
> very long time.
>
> Tom Meeker
> tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
> (please write off list for phone number)
>
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 35
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:57:07 -0400
From: Daniel F Cleary <dancleary@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [No Subject]
Please add this address to active list
In peace,
Daniel F. Cleary
321 Northlake Blvd. Suite 203, North Palm Beach, FL 33408,
(561)863-1334
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Message Number: 36
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:05:32 -0500
From: "Paul P. Waddell" <balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Storage Bins, maybe the most anal question!
A few weeks ago I purchased a 1966 26' Overlander. I was all original
including
the "storage bins". When washing out the 36 years of dirt, I notice the
storage bins at one end is straight up and down. At the other end there
is a
very slight slope. The question is, "Which is the front and which is the
back?"
and "Which end would be facing you after you slide it into the pocket?"
"The
flat side or slope side?"
Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC 1270
66 Overlander
70 23'LY single
------------------------------
Message Number: 37
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:48:44 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Storage Bins, maybe the most anal question!
The flat goes rearward.
Andy
------------------------------
Message Number: 38
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:44:27 -0000
From: "Mitch Hill - K1FH" <fmhill@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: Storage Bins, maybe the most anal question!
On 16 Sep 2002 at 18:05, Paul P. Waddell wrote:
When washing out the 36 years of dirt, I notice the
> storage bins at one end is straight up and down. At the other end there
> is a
> very slight slope. The question is, "Which is the front and which is the
> back?"
> and "Which end would be facing you after you slide it into the pocket?"
> "The
> flat side or slope side?"
Paul,
The storage bins in my '64 have a 1/2" aluminium angle riveted to
the lip on the front side as a handle or gripping ledge, as far as I
know this is the way it came from the factory. The aluminium angle
"handle" is always on the sloped end making it the front, the flat
side is to the back.
--
TNX, 73, Mitch - K1FH / AFA1HN
Frank M. "Mitch" Hill
'64 AS Ambassador International
WBCCI 21960 - VAC
SKP - Good SAM
------------------------------
Message Number: 39
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:57:43 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: FW: body repairs and source for dinette that turns into bed
Hi Chuck,
File away for the future that you are more likely to get a response if
you break your questions up into one per e-mail. Avoid the use of all
lower case and run-on paragraphs - it was pure torture to read your
posting. That may be why there weren't any responses - Listees have
short attention spans....
On Friday, September 13, 2002, at 07:39 PM, chuck mclaughlin wrote:
>
> rick davis just delivered my grandfathers 62 overlander-all in all just
> as i
> remembered it-it also had wally byam badges for my sister and myself
> from
> about 35 years ago on a trip to bensons animal farm. i was wondering if
> anyone had plans or sources for a dinette which would convert to a bed
> for
> the front of the airstream.
If you can wait till next spring, I ought to have some as that is what
we are doing to the '57 Flying Cloud. I'm modeling them after an
existing Airstream Dinette, but still have a floor to replace first.
Otherwise, your best bet is to attend a rally with a notepad, tape
measure & camera.
> the current design on both this and my
> globetrotter has what i believe is a goucho and it seems to be a flawed
> design in that the bed does not look very comfortable for 2 and it
> requires
> a seperate table to eat. the next item is that the front part of the
> trailer body seems to be loose from the frame and when you shake the
> tongue of the trailer the body bounces a bid. upon inspection i noticed
> that
> an angle iron had been bolted from under the tongue into another angle
> iron
> on top of the floor boards and that old fix was loose.
That's bad news - the angle iron repair sounds like it was a fix for a
bad floor - a typical ailment in old Airstreams.
> in removing the
> gaucho i could see that the inner skin had seperated from the floor. i
> could
> not see the condition of the outer skin were it met the floor due to the
> under body skin and various trim parts. as i can bearly figure out a
> screwdriver i am looking for suggestions as to what is the fix and what
> type
> of buisness can do the work<we live in southern maine>. if the fix
> entails
> removing a portion of the belly skin would it be best to remove all of
> the
> belly skin,inspect floor and replace plumbing with pex and coat frame
> with
> por 15 or someother rust treatment-the step into the trailer is broken
> due
> to rust but in general the rust does not seem too bad. at this point i
> am
> signing off-i am sure i will have more soon-thanks chuck mclaughlin
>
You can actually see very little from the bottom because of the
insulation. The plumbing usually runs either below the belly skin or
above the floor, rarely (never?) in-between. For a good idea of what's
what in a '62 frame, check out:
http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/59WorldTraveler/59WorldTraveler.html
Best of luck,
RJ
'57 Flying Cloud
'65 Caravel
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Message Number: 40
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:03:11 -0700
From: "Jack Honeycutt" <jhoneycutt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: PDA anyone?
At 03:08 PM 9/16/2002 -0400, Terry wrote:
>Yes, you've got that right. I now have one.
I know you will enjoy it. I have one of the old ones. It has a writing
stylus (sold as a separate accessory back then). My first one was made of
wood with a center of lead. I could use the lead to write messages and
make crude drawings on the pad. It used paper to write on. My old one was
made so that that when the paper was all used up, I had to buy a new one.
But a newer model that I have now, lets me upgrade it with more paper if I
need to.
Some disadvantages; no back light, and it doesn't work in the dark very
well, but the good thing is that it won't eat up batteries.
I decided to get with the modern age a few years ago and switched to that
new writing stylus that is just amazing. It has a small ball (like a very,
very small Bee-Bee) at the end of it. The stylus is about the same
diameter as my old wood one, but this one is filled with ink!! Can you
believe it? Ink lasts so much longer than the old lead versions. And this
memory improvement is cheep too. I found some ink writing stylus for about
29 cents at a dept store once.
Sometimes the writing stylus gets lost, but other than that, they both fit
in my pocket. Like you, I keep phone numbers, dates, and other important
information in mine too. Boy, they sure are handy aren't they?
I should probably upgrade again. Sounds like yours is real fancy. But
mine keeps working and doing the job it is suppose to. Wow, how times
change. Thanks for keeping me up to date!
jack in Portland Oregon
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Message Number: 41
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:38:51 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: AC Question
I have always assumed that when the time came to replace the old Armstrong
AC on my 1976 Sovereign that I would go with the Dometic low profile Penguin
model. This is based on my understanding that this is the only unit with a
drip pan for discharging the condensation. However on a trip this week end I
saw a mid 80's 34' A/S with the other Dometic AC, the high profile unit.
There must have been a drip pan on this one to since the water was dripping
out of the discharge line just forward of the tires.
Is it possible that drip pans are available for other AC units besides the
Dometic Penguin?
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