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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Buying Axles
2. Re: Buying Axles
3. Re: Vintage lighting
4. Re: Buying Axles
5. Re: Axles, Axles, Axles
6. New project!
7. Re: free vintage tow vehicle
8. Re: Vintage lighting
9. Re: free vintage tow vehicle
10. FW: body repairs and source for dinette that turns into bed
11. Re: Ammonia
12. Re: free vintage tow vehicle
13. Re: Blonde wood finish
14. Re: free vintage tow vehicle
15. Re: Buying Axles
16. Re: single to double
17. Re:
18. Re: New project!
19. World Traveler update - Frame Photos
20. Re: Sureflo water pumps
21. Re: 2" heater duct
22. Re: Buying Axles
23. Campgrounds along my route from VA to Baton Rouge?
24. Re: World Traveler update - Frame Photos
25. Re: Buying Axles
26. 1960 Tradewind
27. Re: Buying Axles
28. cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
29. Feevah
30. Re: 1960 Tradewind
31. Re: 1960 Tradewind
32. Re: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
33. Hensley Hitch
34. International Scouts/Travelers/Travelalls
35. Re: More International Scouts/Travelers/Travelalls
36. Re: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
37. Re: Campgrounds along my route from VA to Baton Rouge?
38. Re: Vintage lighting
39. Full spectral fluorescents
40. Re: Full spectral fluorescents
41. Re: Full spectral fluorescents
42. Re: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
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Message Number: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:46:10 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
Jim Greene, Gerald J.
Have it your ways guys.
It's obvious some of you won't leave well enough alone.
If you wish to continue this wishful thinking, your certainly entitled to do
so.
I have spent all too much time, with this axle situation, and I have much
better things to do.
I find it amazing how people still want to invent the wheel.
Have fun doing it your way.
Please let all of us know how successful it was, or wasn't.
Andy
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Message Number: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:18:59 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
Andy,
I am not an attorney, but that just doesn't make sense. If I have liability
insurance, as I do with my legally slightly modified truck, how would that
scenario pan out. If I had a nickel for every modified vehicle suspension I
see on the road.....Please explain how this would be gross negligence.
Should we all return all of our vehicles to bone stock?
Randy
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Message Number: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0500
From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Vintage lighting
Bob,
I do see your point and conversion is probably not practical for you. I for
one though have never been sensitive to lighting and wouldn't know the
difference in soft, color quality, or any other type of lighting if it shone
on me, as long as it shone. My 76 had florescent in the bath and I got a
better shave then I do at home, because I could see! When I turn on a light
it's because I want to see something, LOL. Good luck and I always watch
your posts because I am considering a year in my 68 when I return from
overseas and then it will probably hit me like a ton of bricks what I should
have done.
Randy
> Dear John,
> I think the fluro conversion is very practical but as Dr. G has stated
> the color quality of most fluorescents leaves out a lot of the color
> spectrum. I am particularly interested in the compact fluorecents which
MAY
> have a better color quality.
>
> Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> 66 Airstream Safari
> Mira Mar Mobile Park
> Oceanside, CA
>
> From: "John R. Kleven" <jrkleven@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Three way light switch
>
>
> > Bob,
> > I took all of my four bulb fixtures down and replace them with
florescent.
> > They are much brighter and efficient.
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:12:22 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
Randy. If you modify anything, you are the engineer. That makes you liable.
If you are using something that someone else engineered, they are liable.
Andy
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Message Number: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:42:33 -0600
From: "Ken & Molly Reed" <archneo@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Axles, Axles, Axles
Hello all,
We recently replaced the axle in our '57 Bubble, through a local trailer
supply company called Henderson Wheel, here in Boise, Idaho. We simply
specified the measurements required. The cost was about $250 for a complete
axle with electric brakes and new drums. We had a friend install it on the
Bubble for $100.
Ken & Molly Reed
'57 Bubble
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Message Number: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:52:41 -0600
From: "Ken & Molly Reed" <archneo@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: New project!
Hi,
We're looking at purchasing a late '40s Airstream, and see that it has a
stove with oven, a Marvel refrigerator (110 only), and a heater that is
probably what was called a "Byam Burner," a porcelain-fronted oil heater.
My questions would be, has anyone converted one of these oil heaters to
propane? Is the oil burner smelly, or would some refer to this as a
nostalgic glow and odor? As far as the Marvel refrigerator, is it possible
to upgrade the mechanicals to include propane and/or 12 volt? Any opinions
would be welcome!
Ken & Molly Reed
'57 Bubble, bitten again by the aluminum bug.....
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Message Number: 7
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:14:54 -0700
From: Pearl Main <pearlm@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: free vintage tow vehicle
Jim Stewart You are right The Travelall is longer than the Scout. We
used a TZ for years as a company vehicle since my husband was an IH auditor. If
he was going to an interesting place for an audit (like San Diego or proving
ground in AZ)
I would go along and we would tow the A/S He was the only company employee
using a trailer while on business and wrote the proceedure that IRS approved to
do this. We could use the T/A for 15,000 miles and then had to either sell
it for the Co or turn it in and get a new one....We sold everyone we had to
other trailer people. I sold the one we bought for our selves with 230,000
miles about 9 years ago and still see it around Hemet. Pearl in So Cal
> I believe the Travelall was longer than the Scout and was made in both 1/2
> ton and 3/4 ton models.
> I've heard it compared to today's Tohoe.
> Jim
> (Past owner of a '74 Scout II)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:45 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
>
> > Yeah, I had decided if it was a 1960's Travelall I could be there in 20
> > minutes.
> >
> > Susan, what I can't figure out is how such a short wheelbased,
> > underpowered and lightweight vehicle could pull such a large trailer?
> > Anyway, thanks for offering it to the List - I'm sure it'll find a good
> > appreciative home.
> >
> > RJ
> > VAC Webmaster
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu [mailto:balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:57 PM
> > > To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> > > Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
> > >
> > >
> > > First one to the house WINS!!
> > >
> > > Wish I could be in the race. If anyone knows where a 1966/67
> > > International
> > > Travelall in mint shape on the east coast let me know. I have the tow
> > > car for the 1970 Airstream, Ford Country Squire Station Wagon, need
> > > something
> > > for the 66 Overlander.
> > >
> > > Paul Waddell
> > > WBCCI/VAC
> > > 66 Overlander
> > > 70 23' LY single
> > >
> > > Susan Altstatt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All;
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to give away a vintage puller, 1976 International
> > > > Scout Traveler,set up for trailer towing. The charities won't
> > > > take it, saying it's "too old". Used to tow a 4600# SOB for years.
> > >
> >
>
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Message Number: 8
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:42:00 +0000
From: "Stephen Bernasconi" <sbernasconi9@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Vintage lighting
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "John R. Kleven" <JRKLEVEN@xxxxxxxxxx.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
<DIV></DIV>>To: Multiple recipients of VACList <VACLIST@xxxxxxxxxx.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0500
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Bob,
<DIV></DIV>>I do see your point and conversion is probably not practical for you. I for
<DIV></DIV>>one though have never been sensitive to lighting and wouldn't know the
<DIV></DIV>>difference in soft, color quality, or any other type of lighting if it shone
<DIV></DIV>>on me, as long as it shone. My 76 had florescent in the bath and I got a
<DIV></DIV>>better shave then I do at home, because I could see! When I turn on a light
<DIV></DIV>>it's because I want to see something, LOL. Good luck and I always watch
<DIV></DIV>>your posts because I am considering a year in my 68 when I return from
<DIV></DIV>>overseas and then it will probably hit me like a ton of bricks what I should
<DIV></DIV>>have done.
<DIV></DIV>>Randy
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > Dear John,
<DIV></DIV>> > I think the fluro conversion is very practical but as Dr. G has stated
<DIV></DIV>> > the color quality of most fluorescents leaves out a lot of the color
<DIV></DIV>> > spectrum. I am particularly interested in the compact fluorecents which
<DIV></DIV>>MAY
<DIV></DIV>> > have a better color quality.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
<DIV></DIV>> > 66 Airstream Safari
<DIV></DIV>> > Mira Mar Mobile Park
<DIV></DIV>> > Oceanside, CA
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > From: "John R. Kleven" <JRKLEVEN@xxxxxxxxxx.COM>
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Three way light switch
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Bob,
<DIV></DIV>> > > I took all of my four bulb fixtures down and replace them with
<DIV></DIV>>florescent.
<DIV></DIV>> > > They are much brighter and efficient.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
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Message Number: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:44:19 -0400
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: free vintage tow vehicle
Hello All,
Wow, another one, I picked up a 1975 International Travelall that is a
close to mint as you can get. I can't wait to tow with it. What's cool
is I have people pull up next to me and say "Hey, What is that thing?"
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (to be worked on for the first time in 7 weeks tomorrow!)
75 IHC Travelall
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
Paul P. Waddell
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
First one to the house WINS!!
Wish I could be in the race. If anyone knows where a 1966/67
International
Travelall in mint shape on the east coast let me know. I have the tow
car for the 1970 Airstream, Ford Country Squire Station Wagon, need
something
for the 66 Overlander.
Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC
66 Overlander
70 23' LY single
Susan Altstatt wrote:
>
> Hi All;
>
> I'm trying to give away a vintage puller, 1976 International
> Scout Traveler,set up for trailer towing. The charities won't
> take it, saying it's "too old". Used to tow a 4600# SOB for years.
>
> Description: 2-wd, gasoline 345 v-8, Chyrsler torque flight trans,
> limited slip rear axle, two door, hatchback.
> Has Tekonsha hydraulic actuated brake controller and
> heavy duty hitch receiver.
>
> Not currently registered. Needs some work to pass smog.
> My mother drove it until it was decided that she shouldn't drive
> anymore..
> she's 92 now.
>
> For more information, please call my husband John at 650-949-1266
> or email at jea@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> Located in Los Altos Hills, CA (SF bay area).
>
> We don't need the vehicle as we tow with a F-250 superduty
> powerstroke.
> --
> Susan Altstatt
> Altstatt Associates
> www.altstatt.com
>
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Message Number: 10
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:39:50 -0500
From: chuck mclaughlin <alderrun@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: FW: body repairs and source for dinette that turns into bed
rick davis just delivered my grandfathers 62 overlander-all in all just as i
remembered it-it also had wally byam badges for my sister and myself from
about 35 years ago on a trip to bensons animal farm. i was wondering if
anyone had plans or sources for a dinette which would convert to a bed for
the front of the airstream. the current design on both this and my
globetrotter has what i believe is a goucho and it seems to be a flawed
design in that the bed does not look very comfortable for 2 and it requires
a seperate table to eat. the next item is that the front part of the
trailer body seems to be loose from the frame and when you shake the
tongue of the trailer the body bounces a bid. upon inspection i noticed that
an angle iron had been bolted from under the tongue into another angle iron
on top of the floor boards and that old fix was loose. in removing the
gaucho i could see that the inner skin had seperated from the floor. i could
not see the condition of the outer skin were it met the floor due to the
under body skin and various trim parts. as i can bearly figure out a
screwdriver i am looking for suggestions as to what is the fix and what type
of buisness can do the work<we live in southern maine>. if the fix entails
removing a portion of the belly skin would it be best to remove all of the
belly skin,inspect floor and replace plumbing with pex and coat frame with
por 15 or someother rust treatment-the step into the trailer is broken due
to rust but in general the rust does not seem too bad. at this point i am
signing off-i am sure i will have more soon-thanks chuck mclaughlin
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Message Number: 11
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:42:34 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Ammonia
They just tried it at the Rocky Mountain Rally with mixed results:
http://www.airstream.org/rallies/02-RM/index-RM.html
RJ
On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 08:20 PM, Tuna wrote:
> has anyone tried ammonia to remove clearcoat? wasn't it charlie burke
> who
> suggested it?
>
> tuna
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Message Number: 12
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:49:00 -0400
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: free vintage tow vehicle
Hello,
If this is a true Travelall it will almost be bigger than a Suburban,
with a wheelbase of 198 inches like my 75 Travelall. It seems wider but
I have not put a tape measure to it. With the 392 in it mine should pull
better than my Suburban.
Ed
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
75 Travelall
-----Original Message-----
From: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net] On Behalf Of
RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:46 PM
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
Yeah, I had decided if it was a 1960's Travelall I could be there in 20
minutes.
Susan, what I can't figure out is how such a short wheelbased,
underpowered and lightweight vehicle could pull such a large trailer?
Anyway, thanks for offering it to the List - I'm sure it'll find a good
appreciative home.
RJ
VAC Webmaster
> -----Original Message-----
> From: balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu [mailto:balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu]
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:57 PM
> To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
>
>
> First one to the house WINS!!
>
> Wish I could be in the race. If anyone knows where a 1966/67
> International
> Travelall in mint shape on the east coast let me know. I have the tow
> car for the 1970 Airstream, Ford Country Squire Station Wagon, need
> something
> for the 66 Overlander.
>
> Paul Waddell
> WBCCI/VAC
> 66 Overlander
> 70 23' LY single
>
> Susan Altstatt wrote:
> >
> > Hi All;
> >
> > I'm trying to give away a vintage puller, 1976 International
> > Scout Traveler,set up for trailer towing. The charities won't
> > take it, saying it's "too old". Used to tow a 4600# SOB for years.
>
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Message Number: 13
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:50:27 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Blonde wood finish
Reflow the existing finish with Formby's Wood Finish Restorer. It
pretty much dissolves whatever is left of the finish and then re-applies
it. Then hit the cabinets with another coat of lacquer. The result is
amazing. I've used it on everything from antiques to trailers to old
radios. Make sure you practice the technique in a hidden area, as it is
a skill to wipe just long enough to reflow the finish without removing
or destroying it.
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 07:40 PM, Okydokey@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Anyone have any idea how to repair or refinish the blonde or pickled
> look wood finish (real light) from a '58 A/S? It just has chips and
> scratches.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
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Message Number: 14
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:04:14 -0500
From: John Anderson <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: free vintage tow vehicle
There is a distinction. The Scout Traveller (free vintage tow vehicle) is
a mildly stretched Scout, while the Travelall is equivalent to the full
sized 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickup design. I own 3 Travelalls, 1972 1973 and
1975, one of which is operable, all of which are projects. My brother has
a Scout Traveller, they are different vehicles indeed. Nice find, Ed, to
get a near-mint Travelall in Wisconsin. Most that I see are serious rust
buckets here in the Midwest. I'm with Pearl. They were the ultimate in
their day.
Edward Emerick wrote:
> Hello All,
> Wow, another one, I picked up a 1975 International Travelall that is a
> close to mint as you can get. I can't wait to tow with it. What's cool
> is I have people pull up next to me and say "Hey, What is that thing?"
> Ed
> WBCCI/VAC 4425
> 68 Sovereign
> 59 Traveler (to be worked on for the first time in 7 weeks tomorrow!)
> 75 IHC Travelall
>
> -
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Message Number: 15
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:05:47 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
Go to any rally, and 2-3 out of 5 old trailers will have a new axle.
It's more common than you think.
On pre 1961 trailers there were 5 different axle manufacturers. Don't
get fixated on just one. Shoot, even my favorite axle maker Dexter
makes a Dura-torque equivalent, the Torflex.
http://www.dexteraxle.com/product_literature/
Replacing and an axle is not a homeowners type job and is best saved for
the professionals unless you've been down that street before. Specing
out an axle takes understanding as to what you are doing.
Here in the Bay area, I send people over to Oakland Rim & Wheel, a
Dexter dealer. There are many places like this all over the US.
RJ
On Thursday, September 12, 2002, at 08:11 PM, Phil wrote:
> I would like to change our thread on axles. I would like to hear ideas
> about
> ways to adapt other axles to an Airstream. I have a 61 Tradewind with
> solid
> axle and leaf springs. It looks like standard stuff that should be
> available
> at trailer supply places. There are only 2 small brackets welded to the
> frame and the shock mount. It tows very well, I have not been able to
> tell
> any difference with the newer axle trailers. (73 GT, 74 Argosy) Now to
> my
> ideas, Ford has available an air suspension for the rear of the newer
> F250
> type trucks, A great idea that should be in all trucks so they can work
> when
> needed but ride nicely unloaded. It's a simple setup with a minimal
> amount
> of leaf springs to keep the axle in place, the airbags are mounted
> between
> the axle and frame, they take most of the load. It seems like a similar
> system might be easily adapted to an airstream with leaf springs and
> maybe
> retrofitted to newer ones for replacing axles and easing the ride of the
> trailer. There are different kinds of airbags and controllers on the
> market. What are other ideas on this.
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Message Number: 16
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:12:45 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: single to double
Hi,
I don't think anyone replied because they didn't think you were
serious. The logistics of doing that would pretty much entail
rebuilding the trailer from the ground up, and would entail trashing the
interior cabinets, removing the shell and belly skin, modifying the
frame, installing a new floor and wheelwell housings and new lower skin
panels and belly skin panels.
Better bet would be to get one of the dual axle 24 or 26 footers (unless
you find a 22' WorldTraveler :>)
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 02:52 PM, Sharon Chaytor wrote:
>
> Looking back at my last message, I can see that I was not very clear!
> We would like to know if anyone has made their single axle trailer into
> a double axle, and raised the trailer up, to boot, on our prospective
> 62 safari.
>
> Also, speaking of axles, what is the difference between a RV axle and
> an airstream axle, if they are both dura whatevers?
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Message Number: 17
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:15:34 -0700
From: dsa@xxxxxxxxxx.com (Susan Altstatt)
Subject: Re:
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message Number: 38
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:45:46 -0700
> From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: free vintage tow vehicle
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> Yeah, I had decided if it was a 1960's Travelall I could be there in 20
> minutes.
>
> Susan, what I can't figure out is how such a short wheelbased,
> underpowered and lightweight vehicle could pull such a large trailer?
> Anyway, thanks for offering it to the List - I'm sure it'll find a good
> appreciative home.
>
> RJ
> VAC Webmaster
RJ;
This thing is NOT a Scout II.
The GVWR is 6200. (from Door post name plate)
It has a shorter wheelbase than the TravelAll, for sure.
We had a Int. pickup of the same vintage at one time, and would guess that that chassis
was used on the TraveAll wagon (actually, more like a Suburban).
Acording to the shop manual, the 345 cu V8 it has seems to be the largest these came with.
-Susan
www.altstatt.com
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Message Number: 18
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:19:58 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: New project!
Hi guys,
This is a Byam Burner:
http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/50Clipper/50Clipper10.jpg
Some of the porcelain heaters used in trailers weren't vented to the
outside, so if that's the case with yours, keep it for show & tell and
use a portable heater. I don't really think an old heater can be
converted to propane without a lot of risks.
I think Fred Coldwell has one of those porcelain heaters, maybe he can
shed some light.
Either way - go for it!
RJ
On Friday, September 13, 2002, at 05:52 PM, Ken & Molly Reed wrote:
>
> We're looking at purchasing a late '40s Airstream, and see that it has a
> stove with oven, a Marvel refrigerator (110 only), and a heater that is
> probably what was called a "Byam Burner," a porcelain-fronted oil
> heater.
> My questions would be, has anyone converted one of these oil heaters to
> propane? Is the oil burner smelly, or would some refer to this as a
> nostalgic glow and odor? As far as the Marvel refrigerator, is it
> possible
> to upgrade the mechanicals to include propane and/or 12 volt? Any
> opinions
> would be welcome!
>
> Ken & Molly Reed
> '57 Bubble, bitten again by the aluminum bug.....
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Message Number: 19
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:29:44 -0700
From: Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: World Traveler update - Frame Photos
Remember the guy who took a rare 1959 World Traveler and emptied its
interior into a burn pile? I have stayed in communication with him, and
he just sent some photos of what it took to replace the entire floor in
the trailer - with the body and belly pan still on!
The photos are great aids to see what the frame, wheelwells, belly pan
and u channels look like without all the stuff in the way. He also sent
some pictures of the original twin spare tires mounted on the rear
bumper. Spares on then rear bumper was a common practice on the shorter
(22 foot & less) pre 1969 trailers.
http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/59WorldTraveler/59WorldTraveler.html
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
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Message Number: 20
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:20:12 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Re: Sureflo water pumps
Thanks
I think I'll do the same.
-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:35 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Sureflo water pumps
> Hi Tim,
>
> I went ahead and installed the backflow valve even though the pump has
one.
> I'd rather keep shore pressure off the pump. Doesn't seem to have any
> effect on the water volume delivered.
>
> '74 Argosy, Joy
>
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Message Number: 21
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:56:12 -0400
From: "Robin Leigh" <rgleigh@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: 2" heater duct
Jim,
I found some expandable aluminum duct in my local auto parts store. It
was 50mm id, but easily squeezed down to be clamped on to the 1 3/4" stub on
the main duct. The part was sold for air intake use (eg. warm air intake off
the manifold) length about 10" expandable to twice that, $2.99.
Robin Leigh, 65TW.
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Message Number: 22
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:42:01 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
RJ wrote:" On pre 1961 trailers there were 5 different axle manufacturers.
Don't
get fixated on just one. Shoot, even my favorite axle maker Dexter
makes a Dura-torque equivalent, the Torflex.
http://www.dexteraxle.com/product_literature/ . . . . Here in the Bay
area, I send people over to Oakland Rim & Wheel, a
Dexter dealer. There are many places like this all over the US.
Hi RJ,
As you noted, my present communication with a Dexter plant was a bit
frustrating. The representative wanted to talk about a carload of axles.
:( The dexteraxle website explains a lot about the Torflex and the
available brackets. Unfortunately, the bracket kit for the Torflex requires
welding. This preliminary discussion also leaned toward the unavailability
of 6 stud/5.5 inch stud pattern.
Seems to me that Airstream would use nearly identical mounting brackets for
many of the vintage dura torque axles. I mentioned to the Dexter
representative that there would be a huge market for their axles if the cost
were more in line with those used for horse trailers, boat trailers, etc. I
still have additional measurements to provide to Dexter in order to get an
estimate of the cost of such a replacement. Even if it requires welding of
a new bracket and the associated removal of part of the belly -
floor/furniture, etc. I can weld with TIG, MIG, and Stick; however, with
something as critical as a bracket assembly for the axles . . .
The Dexter "Applications Manual" can be downloaded and shows their standard
installation bracket kits. What would be helpful to all of us is a VAClist
data base with the
specifications for the axles. Something that anyone could access, compare
the cost of an alternate axle assembly, and finally make the choice of the
manufacturer/supplier. If there are enough similarities among the
fasteners, possibly there could be a Torflex bracket specifically for
Airstream and Argosy replacement axles. Possibly the engineers/design
experts among VAClist participants can help with engineering drawings, etc.
For example, the frame channel over the axles for my Argosy is 5 inches.
The axle bracket is welded to the outside of the frame channel and the dura
torque center of axle is 2-3/4 inches below the frame. The axle mounting
brackets are 61 - 5/16 inches from the inside-inside of the frame mounting
bracket. The arch of the axle is 1.5 inches. No toe-in that I can measure.
The 20 degree negative angle, load range, and 42.5 degree max travel stop
are specifications easily met. Lots of other measurements to get yet to be
sure that the replacement axles will replicate the dura torque. May even
remove an axle to be sure I get the "exact" measurements. Even the strength
and size of the mounting bolts are important criteria.
Cost, fit, and ease of installation (not necessarily in order of preference)
will be the determining factors.
Sure appreciate help with measurements from any and all VAClist
participants. Possibly RJ, you could get information from the Oakland Rim
& Wheel that could help other Dexter dealers fit axles to vintage trailers?
If my reading is correct, Dexter has 30 plus years proven torque axle
experience and should be with us for many years to come.
Regards, '74 (tired axles) Argosy 22
'69 (suspected tired axle) Safari 23
Joy
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Message Number: 23
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:35:32 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Campgrounds along my route from VA to Baton Rouge?
Hi All,
I leave in the morning from Scottsburg, VA enroute to Baton Rouge,
Louisiana. I plan to make near 500 miles by driving all day on Sunday.
However, I might be fatigued long before 500 miles as 300 is about my normal
limit. I plan to pick up I-85 near Charlotte, NC and hopefully get passed
Atlanta. Any ideas on campgrounds before/beyond Atlanta, GA? Possibly
around Mobile, AL on I-65? Or Biloxi, MS?
It's an ambiscious itenary a rainy week, but got to be in Baton rouge by
evening of Sept. 17.
Any information is greatly appreciated,
Regards, (first real tow) '74 Argosy,
Joy
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Message Number: 24
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:48:01 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: World Traveler update - Frame Photos
RJ, did he say how in the h--- he managed to get the floor out from under
the U channel with the belly pan still on? The only thing that occurs to me
is to have cut out and removed the center floor leaving a 2-3 inch perimeter
around the outside and then sawed through the bolts (and screws) holding the
U channel to the edge of the floor. I don't know what that buys you as an
advantage over a body off floor replacement however. But then I wouldn't
understand anybody stripping and burning the interior of a World Traveler
anyway.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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From: "Webmaster" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 22:29
Subject: [VAC] World Traveler update - Frame Photos
> Remember the guy who took a rare 1959 World Traveler and emptied its
> interior into a burn pile? I have stayed in communication with him, and
> he just sent some photos of what it took to replace the entire floor in
> the trailer - with the body and belly pan still on!
>
> The photos are great aids to see what the frame, wheelwells, belly pan
> and u channels look like without all the stuff in the way. He also sent
> some pictures of the original twin spare tires mounted on the rear
> bumper. Spares on then rear bumper was a common practice on the shorter
> (22 foot & less) pre 1969 trailers.
>
> http://VintageAirstream.com/archives1/59WorldTraveler/59WorldTraveler.html
>
> RJ
> VintageAirstream.com
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Message Number: 25
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:24:21 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
For mounting bolts, use the same size as the original in grade 5. Grade
8 and 12 are stronger, but tend to be a little more brittle when
impacted by shock loads. Grade 5 has the best combination of strength
and impact resistance. Buy bolts from a fastener shop that certifies
their source. There have been many imported substandard bolts marked
grade 5 but made of inferior steel.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 26
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: 1960 Tradewind
Anybody have pictures of the large dome light that
came standard in a 1960 tradewind?
I'm sure it was used in other models too, but by the
size of the light frame I have in mine, it looks to be
about a foot in diameter, and sits directly behind the
larger 14x26 vent.
Thanks.
Toby
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Message Number: 27
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:05:40 -0700
From: James Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Buying Axles
A suggestion on any welding done on the frame channel.... Only weld in the
long direction of the frame channel... Experience with a machinery
construction company indicated that welding done "across" the channel
caused cracks in the channel to develop after use and when the welding was
confined to the "long direction" the cracks did not develop... This
experience goes back to the time when the frame channels were manufactured
and should be relevant...Current metallurgy may have changed the need to
confine the welding to the "long" dimension...
Jim
At 09:24 AM 9/14/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>For mounting bolts, use the same size as the original in grade 5. Grade
>8 and 12 are stronger, but tend to be a little more brittle when
>impacted by shock loads. Grade 5 has the best combination of strength
>and impact resistance. Buy bolts from a fastener shop that certifies
>their source. There have been many imported substandard bolts marked
>grade 5 but made of inferior steel.
>
>Gerald J.
>--
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Message Number: 28
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:02:05 -0400
From: Bruce Waters <BWaters@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
hello everyone. is there a preferred method for cleaning out
the bagrman 7 pin connector? sometimes my right directional/brake
light won't work until i un-plug and re-plug the umbilical cord several
times. other times it works the first time so i'm assuming there's some
crud in there.
thanks for the help.
bruce waters 5915
65 safari
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Message Number: 29
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:10:23 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Feevah
Well all and sundry, the Whacky Worners have done it again. Rolled in
from work to find Pam dancing in the driveway like she hadn't tinkled in
a week. "There's a 57 Bubble on ebay, in Maryland, with buy it now".
Would we? Would you? Speak for yourself, we did it. Pickup next
Saturday. Let the games begin!
See folder at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/wornmatt
--
Pam, Matt and Darrell Worner
WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign, (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
Hensley Arrow
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Message Number: 30
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:26:15 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: 1960 Tradewind
Toby,
I'm going over to friend's house who has a '60 TradeWind with that very
light. I'll take some pic's for you. His Airstream is actually listed in the
VAC photo archives as a '59. You can see it there for the time being.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
> Anybody have pictures of the large dome light that
> came standard in a 1960 tradewind?
>
> I'm sure it was used in other models too, but by the
> size of the light frame I have in mine, it looks to be
> about a foot in diameter, and sits directly behind the
> larger 14x26 vent.
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Message Number: 31
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:33:45 -0400
From: "chyde" <brownhyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: 1960 Tradewind
Toby,
I have a 59 Ambassador International and a 57 Sovereign of the Road. Both
have what I believe to be original ceiling fixtures. The fixtures themselves
are identical however the shades are different. The 59 has a thermoformed
plastic dish that is smooth on the inside and bubbly white/gold on the
outside. Kinda like an old Christmas decoration. The mounting is the
standard center threaded post and is approx 12" dia. It's very 50's looking.
The 57 is also a dish however it is fiber glass and has gold strands
swirling around on the outside. There are photos in RJ's archives of my 57.
I'll take a photo of the 59 this week and send it to you.
Colin Hyde
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Folwick" <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: [VAC] 1960 Tradewind
> Anybody have pictures of the large dome light that
> came standard in a 1960 tradewind?
>
> I'm sure it was used in other models too, but by the
> size of the light frame I have in mine, it looks to be
> about a foot in diameter, and sits directly behind the
> larger 14x26 vent.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Toby
>
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Message Number: 32
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:33:25 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
Bruce, there is a electrical contact spray cleaner. NAPA stores, Radio Shack
probably Home Depot and Lowes will have it. I spray mine every time I hook
up and always have good connections.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Waters" <BWaters@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 12:02
Subject: [VAC] cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
> hello everyone. is there a preferred method for cleaning out
> the bagrman 7 pin connector? sometimes my right directional/brake
> light won't work until i un-plug and re-plug the umbilical cord several
> times. other times it works the first time so i'm assuming there's some
> crud in there.
>
> thanks for the help.
>
> bruce waters 5915
> 65 safari
>
>
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Message Number: 33
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:43:30 -0400
From: "James Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Hensley Hitch
There's a Hensley hitch for sale on the VAC classifieds by Dorothy Driskill
in Naples, FL for $1200. ddriskill@xxxxxxxxxx.net phone (239) 348-1744. She
bought a motorhome.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
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Message Number: 34
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:58:35 -0700
From: "Richard McFarland" <estatewagons@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: International Scouts/Travelers/Travelalls
As I remember the "Traveler" was an in between model. It was smaller than
a Travelall and probably did not share a lot in common with the Travelall
except for some of the drivetrain. It was basically a 2-door Scout - with
an extended wheelbase . Replacement sheetmetal would probably be hard
to come by for the rear half of the body. I doubt that the Traveler came
with a choice of weight rated suspensions - but I believe the Travelall did.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Also - the Chrysler Torqueflite was thought by many (in it's day) to be
the best transmission out there). Again...a subjective topic...
I was at an estate auction about a year ago - and there was a derelict
Traveller offered. No one wanted it...probably because it was fairly rusty
in the rocker panel area. It probably should have been bought just for the
rarity of it's unique parts. But then...my barns are full of similar"
potential" that I never seem to get around to dealing with.
As to the running gear - I believe the 345 V-8 was in fact an undersized
International 392 V-8. (not to be confused with the old 392 Chrysler
Hemi...)
You'll also see 304 V-8's offered in the International line - and further
back in the line there are smaller V-8's and of course 6 cylinders and I
seem to remember reading a review of a short box International pick up that
was offered with a 4 cylinder. As I remember - the original Scouts came
with a 4 cylinder, eventually they worked up to a V-8 and for a while there
was a diesel option. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
I spent summers (very late 60's to mid 70's) driving wheat trucks in
and out of the fields during wheat harvest. The cousin I worked for swore
by his International Loadstar medium duty farm trucks. He always tried to
buy them with 392's with 5-speeds and 2-speed rear ends.
Now I am not trying to confuse things here...as these were not pick-ups...
but medium duty farm sized flatbeds with bulk tanks mounted to their
flatbeds. We hauled a lot of weight on them.
My point is that those 392's were always very - very strong and dependable.
(sort of like a boat anchor...)
I seem to remember that once in awhile you'd see a Loadstar with a 345 in
it.
In fact...there is lots of info out there on Internationals. You'll find a
picture of a Traveller at the top of the page of
http://members.aol.com/suprscout/ .
Probably the rarest one to watch out for is the International Travelall
model with an open cargo bed - just like the current Chevrolet Avalanche or
Cadillac Escalade. (not to be confused with the conventional style crew-cab
pick-up....those were also available)
Happy International Spotting. RL
> ------------------------------
>
> Message Number: 53
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:08:13 -0400
> From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: free vintage tow vehicle
>
> I believe the Travelall was longer than the Scout and was made in both 1/2
> ton and 3/4 ton models.
> I've heard it compared to today's Tohoe.
> Jim
> (Past owner of a '74 Scout II)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:45 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
>
>
> > Yeah, I had decided if it was a 1960's Travelall I could be there in 20
> > minutes.
> >
> > Susan, what I can't figure out is how such a short wheelbased,
> > underpowered and lightweight vehicle could pull such a large trailer?
> > Anyway, thanks for offering it to the List - I'm sure it'll find a good
> > appreciative home.
> >
> > RJ
> > VAC Webmaster
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu [mailto:balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.edu]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:57 PM
> > > To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> > > Subject: [VAC] Re: free vintage tow vehicle
> > >
> > >
> > > First one to the house WINS!!
> > >
> > > Wish I could be in the race. If anyone knows where a 1966/67
> > > International
> > > Travelall in mint shape on the east coast let me know. I have the tow
> > > car for the 1970 Airstream, Ford Country Squire Station Wagon, need
> > > something
> > > for the 66 Overlander.
> > >
> > > Paul Waddell
> > > WBCCI/VAC
> > > 66 Overlander
> > > 70 23' LY single
> > >
> > > Susan Altstatt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All;
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to give away a vintage puller, 1976 International
> > > > Scout Traveler,set up for trailer towing. The charities won't
> > > > take it, saying it's "too old". Used to tow a 4600# SOB for years.
> > >
> >
>
>
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Message Number: 35
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:07:27 -0700
From: "Richard McFarland" <estatewagons@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: More International Scouts/Travelers/Travelalls
In my last post I talked about Scouts and offered an web address
to go to for a picture of a "Traveler" model.
Just to be clear - since there are a number of Scouts in this picture -
I believe the Traveler is the Red model with the White stripe. RL
> In fact...there is lots of info out there on Internationals. You'll find
a
> picture of a Traveller at the top of the page of
> http://members.aol.com/suprscout/ .
>
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Message Number: 36
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:56:20 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
For $7.95 at Walmart, a new connector is easier than cleaning the old.
What it should take to clean is a small brass wire brush. I looked at
that two or three years ago, attacked the connector with a pointed
pocket knife as a scraper, made little progress. Spent the $7.95 and
changed the whole connector faster than cleaning the old one (about a
half hour). Then to keep it clean I applied silicone dielectric grease,
as used for modern ignition systems. I also picked up a hitch ball cover
and try to park the connector pins up covered by the hitch ball cover. I
also found a cover specific to the Bargman connector, but it covers so
little I keep using the hitch ball cover. Since then EVERY connection
has been perfect the first try (I also did extensive work on the lights
that year to get them grounded well and doused them in silicone
dielectric grease to keep them from corroding).
My tube of silicone grease has a Ford part number because I was happy
with not having any corroded lamp bases in my '86 F-150 through the end
of 1999 though I suspect common ordinary NAPA ignition dielectric grease
may work as well.
Gerald J.
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Message Number: 37
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:51:37 -0700
From: "Frank Sekeras" <olevia49@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: Campgrounds along my route from VA to Baton Rouge?
Joy -- Last year while traveling across country, my husband and I stayed at
Juliet Dames Ferry State Park just south of Atlanta. It is a beautiful
campground on a quiet lake with water and electric for $14.00.
Bea
'73 Globetrotter
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Message Number: 38
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:24:05 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Vintage lighting
After I watch a few episodes of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in a row, I
get turned on by those yellow parking lights at Walmart. Ever looked at
your partner under that light. They look positively demonic. Why?
Because those silly lights lack most of the color values that are needed
to constitute a skin tone. Fluorescent lights do the same thing but to
a lesser degree as do Halogen. Incandescent lighting does a fair job of
reproducing the spectrum but even with Thomas Edison's best efforts, it
fails to deliver all the colors of shaded sunlight (northlight).
Since my degree was in photography from RIT the least that I can do
is keep my coach as a decent photographic environment. I am going to
follow up the lead from Stephan on full spectral fluorescents and
meantime am getting the aftermarket covers for my stock lights from Andy
at InlandRV. It's nice to have a place to go for aftermarket parts. I
hope they thrive and make many more parts for us.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Bernasconi
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:42 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
Hey guys. Just thought you might be interested in some new
fluorescents now available. They come in compact sizes and long strips.
They are called "Full Spectrun Fluorescents". There are 2 companies
that make them. One is called Chromalux and the other company is called
Verilux. They are both Scandinavian companies. The products are sold
in various catalogs. I saw them in one called Real Goods. There are
other places that sell them too. Try searching the web. This would
solve the "too cool" or "too warm" color problems with the others.
Full spectrum lighting is the closest thing to sunlight that can be
produced electrically and everything gets a more flattering
appearance(people included!) under this kind of Fluro lighting.
Personally, I like Halogen the best but unless its low voltage, it
really eats up the energy. Hope this is helpful. Steve
>From: "John R. Kleven"
>Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>To: Multiple recipients of VACList
>Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0500
>
>Bob,
>I do see your point and conversion is probably not practical for you.
I for
>one though have never been sensitive to lighting and wouldn't know
the
>difference in soft, color quality, or any other type of lighting if
it shone
>on me, as long as it shone. My 76 had florescent in the bath and I
got a
>better shave then I do at home, because I could see! When I turn on a
light
>it's because I want to see something, LOL. Good luck and I always
watch
>your posts because I am considering a year in my 68 when I return
from
>overseas and then it will probably hit me like a ton of bricks what I
should
>have done.
>Randy
>
> > Dear John,
> > I think the fluro conversion is very practical but as Dr. G has
stated
> > the color quality of most fluorescents leaves out a lot of the
color
> > spectrum. I am particularly interested in the compact fluorecents
which
>MAY
> > have a better color quality.
> >
> > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > 66 Airstream Safari
> > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > Oceanside, CA
> >
> > From: "John R. Kleven"
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Three way light switch
> >
> >
> > > Bob,
> > > I took all of my four bulb fixtures down and replace them with
>florescent.
> > > They are much brighter and efficient.
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 39
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:36:08 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Full spectral fluorescents
Hello again,
I just got a review of a few websites featuring these full spectral
light bulbs. They look great except I don't see any that would fit in a
compact flurescent fixture like the ones we have at Camping World and in
most RV's. They have standard light bulbs which work with 110 fixtures
and they have mini bulbs and standard long 48" fluorescent bulbs. Am I
missing something? Has anybody found or used these bulbs in their
Airstream.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Bernasconi
To: Multiple recipients of VACList
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:42 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
Hey guys. Just thought you might be interested in some new
fluorescents now available. They come in compact sizes and long strips.
They are called "Full Spectrun Fluorescents". There are 2 companies
that make them. One is called Chromalux and the other company is called
Verilux. They are both Scandinavian companies. The products are sold
in various catalogs. I saw them in one called Real Goods. There are
other places that sell them too. Try searching the web. This would
solve the "too cool" or "too warm" color problems with the others.
Full spectrum lighting is the closest thing to sunlight that can be
produced electrically and everything gets a more flattering
appearance(people included!) under this kind of Fluro lighting.
Personally, I like Halogen the best but unless its low voltage, it
really eats up the energy. Hope this is helpful. Steve
>From: "John R. Kleven"
>Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>To: Multiple recipients of VACList
>Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
>Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0500
>
>Bob,
>I do see your point and conversion is probably not practical for you.
I for
>one though have never been sensitive to lighting and wouldn't know
the
>difference in soft, color quality, or any other type of lighting if
it shone
>on me, as long as it shone. My 76 had florescent in the bath and I
got a
>better shave then I do at home, because I could see! When I turn on a
light
>it's because I want to see something, LOL. Good luck and I always
watch
>your posts because I am considering a year in my 68 when I return
from
>overseas and then it will probably hit me like a ton of bricks what I
should
>have done.
>Randy
>
> > Dear John,
> > I think the fluro conversion is very practical but as Dr. G has
stated
> > the color quality of most fluorescents leaves out a lot of the
color
> > spectrum. I am particularly interested in the compact fluorecents
which
>MAY
> > have a better color quality.
> >
> > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > 66 Airstream Safari
> > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > Oceanside, CA
> >
> > From: "John R. Kleven"
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Three way light switch
> >
> >
> > > Bob,
> > > I took all of my four bulb fixtures down and replace them with
>florescent.
> > > They are much brighter and efficient.
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 40
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:55:47 -0400
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Full spectral fluorescents
Bob,
Do a web search for "Ott Light" flourescent lamps. I got my desk lamp
at an office supply (Office Depot) and they stock replacement lamps.
Thirteen watt, folded tube (all four pins on one end). They are
supposed to be the closest thing to daylight available. I'll check them
out with one of my Harrison wheels tomorrow, but I doubt that a Harrison
wheel will give a true spectrum analysis. Of course a Harrison wheel
doesn't cost a couple of thousand bucks, either. LOL
Matt
My Airstream wrote:
> Hello again, I just got a review of a few websites featuring these
> full spectral light bulbs. They look great except I don't see any
> that would fit in a compact flurescent fixture like the ones we have
> at Camping World and in most RV's. They have standard light bulbs
> which work with 110 fixtures and they have mini bulbs and standard
> long 48" fluorescent bulbs. Am I missing something? Has anybody
> found or used these bulbs in their Airstream. Bob Kiger
> http://cruiserbob.com
> 66 Airstream Safari
> Mira Mar Mobile Park
> Oceanside, CA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephen Bernasconi
> To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:42 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
> Hey guys. Just thought you might be interested in some new
> fluorescents now available. They come in compact sizes and
> long strips. They are called "Full Spectrun Fluorescents".
> There are 2 companies that make them. One is called
> Chromalux and the other company is called Verilux. They are
> both Scandinavian companies. The products are sold in
> various catalogs. I saw them in one called Real Goods.
> There are other places that sell them too. Try searching the
> web. This would solve the "too cool" or "too warm" color
> problems with the others. Full spectrum lighting is the
> closest thing to sunlight that can be produced electrically
> and everything gets a more flattering appearance(people
> included!) under this kind of Fluro lighting. Personally, I
> like Halogen the best but unless its low voltage, it really
> eats up the energy. Hope this is helpful. Steve
> >From: "John R. Kleven"
> >Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> >To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> >Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
> >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0500
> >
> >Bob,
> >I do see your point and conversion is probably not
> practical for you. I for
> >one though have never been sensitive to lighting and
> wouldn't know the
> >difference in soft, color quality, or any other type of
> lighting if it shone
> >on me, as long as it shone. My 76 had florescent in the
> bath and I got a
> >better shave then I do at home, because I could see! When I
> turn on a light
> >it's because I want to see something, LOL. Good luck and I
> always watch
> >your posts because I am considering a year in my 68 when I
> return from
> >overseas and then it will probably hit me like a ton of
> bricks what I should
> >have done.
> >Randy
> >
> > > Dear John,
> > > I think the fluro conversion is very practical but as
> Dr. G has stated
> > > the color quality of most fluorescents leaves out a lot
> of the color
> > > spectrum. I am particularly interested in the compact
> fluorecents which
> >MAY
> > > have a better color quality.
> > >
> > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > > 66 Airstream Safari
> > > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > > Oceanside, CA
> > >
> > > From: "John R. Kleven"
> > > Subject: [VAC] Re: Three way light switch
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bob,
> > > > I took all of my four bulb fixtures down and replace
> them with
> >florescent.
> > > > They are much brighter and efficient.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
2000 F-350 PSD
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Message Number: 41
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:03:57 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Full spectral fluorescents
Thanks Matt,
I'm glad that I learned about these fixtures B4 buying new fixtures.
Other issues will be finding 12 volt fixtures and the bulbs to match.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Worner" <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Full spectral fluorescents
> Bob,
>
> Do a web search for "Ott Light" flourescent lamps. I got my desk lamp
> at an office supply (Office Depot) and they stock replacement lamps.
> Thirteen watt, folded tube (all four pins on one end). They are
> supposed to be the closest thing to daylight available. I'll check them
> out with one of my Harrison wheels tomorrow, but I doubt that a Harrison
> wheel will give a true spectrum analysis. Of course a Harrison wheel
> doesn't cost a couple of thousand bucks, either. LOL
>
> Matt
>
> My Airstream wrote:
>
> > Hello again, I just got a review of a few websites featuring these
> > full spectral light bulbs. They look great except I don't see any
> > that would fit in a compact flurescent fixture like the ones we have
> > at Camping World and in most RV's. They have standard light bulbs
> > which work with 110 fixtures and they have mini bulbs and standard
> > long 48" fluorescent bulbs. Am I missing something? Has anybody
> > found or used these bulbs in their Airstream. Bob Kiger
> > http://cruiserbob.com
> > 66 Airstream Safari
> > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > Oceanside, CA
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stephen Bernasconi
> > To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:42 PM
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
> > Hey guys. Just thought you might be interested in some new
> > fluorescents now available. They come in compact sizes and
> > long strips. They are called "Full Spectrun Fluorescents".
> > There are 2 companies that make them. One is called
> > Chromalux and the other company is called Verilux. They are
> > both Scandinavian companies. The products are sold in
> > various catalogs. I saw them in one called Real Goods.
> > There are other places that sell them too. Try searching the
> > web. This would solve the "too cool" or "too warm" color
> > problems with the others. Full spectrum lighting is the
> > closest thing to sunlight that can be produced electrically
> > and everything gets a more flattering appearance(people
> > included!) under this kind of Fluro lighting. Personally, I
> > like Halogen the best but unless its low voltage, it really
> > eats up the energy. Hope this is helpful. Steve
> > >From: "John R. Kleven"
> > >Reply-To: VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> > >To: Multiple recipients of VACList
> > >Subject: [VAC] Re: Vintage lighting
> > >Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:05:33 -0500
> > >
> > >Bob,
> > >I do see your point and conversion is probably not
> > practical for you. I for
> > >one though have never been sensitive to lighting and
> > wouldn't know the
> > >difference in soft, color quality, or any other type of
> > lighting if it shone
> > >on me, as long as it shone. My 76 had florescent in the
> > bath and I got a
> > >better shave then I do at home, because I could see! When I
> > turn on a light
> > >it's because I want to see something, LOL. Good luck and I
> > always watch
> > >your posts because I am considering a year in my 68 when I
> > return from
> > >overseas and then it will probably hit me like a ton of
> > bricks what I should
> > >have done.
> > >Randy
> > >
> > > > Dear John,
> > > > I think the fluro conversion is very practical but as
> > Dr. G has stated
> > > > the color quality of most fluorescents leaves out a lot
> > of the color
> > > > spectrum. I am particularly interested in the compact
> > fluorecents which
> > >MAY
> > > > have a better color quality.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > > > 66 Airstream Safari
> > > > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > > > Oceanside, CA
> > > >
> > > > From: "John R. Kleven"
> > > > Subject: [VAC] Re: Three way light switch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bob,
> > > > > I took all of my four bulb fixtures down and replace
> > them with
> > >florescent.
> > > > > They are much brighter and efficient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > please go to
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> > >
> > >
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> WBCCI, VAC, WNJU & WDCU #4971
> 1975 31' Sovereign (The Tinsel Tubesteak)
> 1976 24' Argosy rear door (The Bun Metallica)
> 1957 16' Bubble (The Tin 'Tater Tot)
> 2000 F-350 PSD
> Hensley Arrow
>
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Message Number: 42
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:58:54 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: cleaning bargman 7 pin connector
Hi Jim,
In your response to Jim, I wouldn't forget about the dielectric grease.
Chances are, that the cleaner won't prevent oxidation as the dielectric
grease will. :)
Also, I find that infrequently I've failed to secure the lock on the flip
cover on the umbilical plug. Without the secure connection, the weight of
the umbilical, etc. will partially unplug its self!
'74 Argosy, Joy
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