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Today's Topics:
1. parts for rebuilding water pump
2. Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
3. Wheel bearing grease caps
4. Re: Air Conditioner Installation Question
5. Re: Climbing on the roof
6. Re: parts for rebuilding water pump
7. Re: California room wanted
8. Battery ventilation
9. Cabinet doors for 70's A/S
10. Door Lock Cylinder
11. Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
12. California room wanted
13. Re: Climbing on the roof
14. Re: parts for rebuilding water pump
15. Re: Battery ventilation
16. Re: Climbing on the roof
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:53:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: parts for rebuilding water pump
Does anyone know where I can get parts to rebuild my
water pump? It's a peters and russell model 6800. I
need two small disc shaped check valves and the gasket
for the pressure chambers. I wouldn't mind a new
diaphram, either, although this is OK for now. There
are no parts listed in my RV "master catalog."
Many thanks.
Jon in SC
68 Overlander
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:43:36 -0400
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
Hey Tuna,
What's up with that Trail Wind??
I haven't seen anything on it since you took the shell off!
Linda and I have had flawless operation of our Precision Temp unit
for the past two years. At the flick of a 12 volt switch, the auto ignition
switch is ready to fire up the gas burner at the slightest flow of water
through the system. If we have water hook- ups we can have endless hot water
for showers, cooking and even washing the trailer. Its great and I will not
buy another type unit for any of the restorations I'm doing.
There is a downside, as you may have guessed,
the price.
$1000 and climbing!
Get 'em while there hot!
WAM
>
> Message Number: 11
> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 05:10:27 -0700
> From: Tuna <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
>
> "Reliant" - I think they were called. One came up on E*bay some time ago,
> advertised as an 'Airstream original'... It looked pretty dinky to me. I'm
> going for the Precision Temp, myself, when the time comes... anyone know
what
> they go for?
> Tuna
>
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:23:44 -0600
From: Jere Potter <potterjrp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Wheel bearing grease caps
I lost a wheel bearing grease cap while bringing my'64 Safari down out of
the mountains. It aint a good feeling when things fall off your trailer. I
am having trouble finding a replacement for it because it is unusual. It is
a Threaded cap, not a press-fit cap. Outside has a large hex-head, threads
are fine, female/internal on the inboard side. It unscrews using slip-joint
pliers. Anybody have a source for finding a new one? I have been around
town to all kinds of places and have had no luck. Even checked with a
machine shop about fabricating one. I will be hitting the road next week and
need to find a solution in the next few days. One good thing is, I just got
new baby moons from NAPA, which can cover for the time being. I'm about to
try just jamming a plastic cap from anything on to protect from dirt&
moisture while on this trip, 3000 miles.
Any Ideas from the list???????
Jere Potter #1877
'64 Safari, limping along
'64 Globetrotter
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:36:05 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Air Conditioner Installation Question
Alex,
The factory notes show a location of 95" back from the #1 rib. From the inside
that is the joint between the front endliner and the ceiling sheet metal.
Charlie
Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Hell Folks-
>
> I am getting ready to install an Air Conditioner on my 1966 22' Safari. About
> two years ago, I had the interior skin down and found the factory placed
> wire, as described, and I installed a condensate line through the walls. Then
> I buttoned the whole business up without marking anything! I plan on a
> through the roof installation as I don't want to lose a vent, and need the
> following information which was posted here a while back:
>
> How far back from the first rib do you install an Air Conditioner on a 1966
> Safari?
> I believe it was like 122" but I'd feel better knowing for certain.
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Alex in hot and humid Indiana
> 66 Safari
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:43:20 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Climbing on the roof
Mel,
The rib lines you should look for are the ones on the roof. They are not the
same as the ones you see on the sides. If you have a patio awning already on
the coach it makes a very good step over platform for getting on the top of
your coach. I use a step ladder set very close to the curbside.
The one weak point in the Braund Skyliner antenna is the plastic gearset.
The black gearset deteriorates from the sun and breaks down. The gearsets
are still available in white plastic for around $7-8.
Charlie
Melvin Mudgett-Price wrote:
> I recently saw a post about where on the roof it is safe to stand but as
> I am new to Airstreams I didn't really understand it. It mentioned where
> to stand in relation to the ribs. Do I locate the ribs based on rows of
> rivets. I'm looking at a picture of my '72 Trade Wind now and I only see
> a seam to the right of the door and another one way at the back. What I
> really need to do is get on the roof and investigate why the handle to
> raise the antenna is frozen solid.
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> Mel and Sheila
> '72 Trade Wind
> Cleveland, OH
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:47:35 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: parts for rebuilding water pump
Jon,
Your pump still has some parts available for it. It is generally referred
to as a PAR pump these days. Depending on the distributor your local RV
accessory store uses the parts should be available through them.
Charlie
jon fitz wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get parts to rebuild my
> water pump? It's a peters and russell model 6800. I
> need two small disc shaped check valves and the gasket
> for the pressure chambers. I wouldn't mind a new
> diaphram, either, although this is OK for now. There
> are no parts listed in my RV "master catalog."
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Jon in SC
> 68 Overlander
>
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:43:27 -0700
From: daiv <millbrae@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: California room wanted
since your building the room you should have your contractor design a
airplane ramp type docking system using retractable walls & roof to slide
against your Airstream.
At 11:20 AM 5/31/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Oh I wish that I would get even one answer as to how I might build my
>permanent room and dock it with the Airstream. Please be reminded that the
>only reason that Zip Dee came up was that I was led to their website for the
>"Add-a-room" feature, which turned out to be a temporary structure and not a
>California room.
>
>We now know that most of the browsers, but not all, handle Zip Dee's website
>just fine. We know that the program known as "Drumbeat" which was used to
>produce the Zip Dee site was sold to Macromedia who then phased it out more
>than a year ago. Those who are Google members can look up Drumbeat and see
>the history of this program and perhaps . . . why it no longer is sold. I
>could speak to the technicalities of this HTML all day but it's not an
>Airstream related issue. The subject of "California Rooms" is quite
>relevant to the comfort and culture of the Airstream community in my
>opinion.
>
>Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
>66 Airstream Safari
>Mira Mar Mobile Park
>Oceanside, CA
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dick and Kris Parins" <dkparins@ez-net.com>
>To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 8:40 AM
>Subject: [VAC] California room wanted
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob K wrote:
> > >
> > > I went to the Zip Dee website to see a picture of the unit and got a
> > > lot of "smearing and overlaping type". At points it was illegible.
> >
> >
> > We use a Mac and the site worked for me.
> >
> > Dick
> > '62 Bambi
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 8
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:01:32 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Battery ventilation
on 06/04/02 10:11 AM, dkparins@ez-net.com wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion Terry. When you say "standard plastic battery
> boxes" do you mean the kind they sell for boats with openings on the side of
> the cover for the cables to exit? If so did you plug those holes and the
> little louvred vents on the top? One boat guy told me that they worry about
> trapped battery gases because they cause aluminum to corrode so now I'm really
> concerned about getting this right. Is a 1/4 inch vent big enough?
>
Hi Dick,
Yes, the battery boxes can be purchased at Boat Liveries or Sears or Auto
Zone or similar type stores.
Yes, there are protrusions on the side of the cover for the cables to exit.
My battery cables route up over the box lip, then down and out through
protrusions on the sides of the covers.
No, the protursions are not sealed in any way. Rightly or wrongly, I figured
any battery vapors would continue to rise rather than spill over the lip
edge of the box and fall out in a downward direction. With that in mind, I
saw no reason to seal the area where battery cables exit the boxes.
Yes, I covered the little louvred vents on the top of each cover with
electrical tape. Ordinary packing or duct tape could be used as well.
You wrote:
> One boat guy told me that they worry about trapped battery gases
> because they cause aluminum to corrode
With the way I've set up my battery boxes, there is no trapping involved,
nor is there any aluminum directly involved. It's an open system with a hole
in the high point on the cover which facilitates vapor travel for following
the hose and exiting my Airstream.
Yes, 1/4 inch seems reasonable to me. We're not talking about very much
vapor. For those with a penchant for nit picking logic, I think any
buffeting which occurs along the outside of my Airstream merely contributes
to movement of those vapors.
Granted, there could be an argument made for suggesting the buffeting is
pushing air into the hole (of the 1/4" tube) and causing an accumulation of
vapor, but my gut feeling is that during an equal number of times, buffeting
is reducing the air pressure along the side - and thereby causing air to
flow out of the hole. In the bigger scheme of things, I suspect this is all
academic and not a significant factor to consider.
It's your call - it's your Airstream - the only decisions worth a hoot are
those you make. Keep cogitating until you're satisfied with the concepts
involved, then make it happen and keep on trucking.
Terry
mailto:tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Message Number: 9
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:01:33 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Cabinet doors for 70's A/S
on 06/04/02 1:47 AM, tim@telecom-pros.com wrote:
> Well, thanks for the input Daisy, and Terry again.
>
> I went 'against the grain' ;-) and made some regular cabinet doors today.
> Actually my woodworking cousin made them for me.
>
> When I get them done, I'll post some pictures.
Hey Tim,
You're on the success trail. That's the way it should be done. The only
grain that counts is the one that sparks your enthusiasm.
When any of us on this list share our perspectives, we hope they'll
contribute to solid decisions. Sometimes it's not evident there are several
very valid choices in the circle of decision options.
VAC needs people who do their homework and choose a path based on their own
insights, resources, skills and interests. Pictures? Great. Take your time
and post when you're ready. All of us learn from pictures.
One of these days, I'm going to have to carve out a chunk of time and learn
how to do pictures. But right now, my new Macintosh iBook and new
Handspring Visor Edge are getting most of my playtime attention.
Terry
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Message Number: 10
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:01:33 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Door Lock Cylinder
on 06/03/02 11:46 PM, mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Does anyone know a source for the door lock cylinder and keys for a 1972
> Trade Wind. I emailed Colaw RV Salvage and Inland RV last Thursday and
> neither have responded so I need another source.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mel and Sheila
> 1972 Trade Wind
>
Mel and Sheila,
Mark this down in your Airstream address book:
Oasis RV - Airstream Dealer
2111 E. Benson Highway
Tucson, Arizona 85714
1.800.658.5863 Ask for Jay
Jay's supply box of door lock cylinders is located directly above the
counter where you stand while asking for parts. The door lock cylinders are
in a cardboard box with sections specifically labeled for various locks used
in Airstreams. Tell Jay you heard about his "Airstream lock stash" from
"some guy" in the Vintage Airstream Club.
If you're looking for parts in the eastern part of USA, call him after none
of the dealers have the part you want or after the dealers have just
closed. He'll still be open because Tucson is three time zones earlier in
the day. He'll fed-ex the part to you and it'll arrive before you've had
your mid morning snack the next day.
If you happen to be passing through Tucson and DON'T need any parts or
service, pull into the parking lot at Oasis and tell Jay that you have a
bone to pick with him. He makes it too easy for owners of Vintage Airstreams
to find parts for their old rigs. Then, buy him a cup of coffee and shake
his hand.
Terry
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Message Number: 11
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:16:16 -0700
From: Tuna <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
The Trailwind is still but a shell of its former self, up on sawhorses...
Starvin' Marvin - my 'welding guru' - had a stroke last fall, but has since
made a nearly full recovery... So, when i get two weeks to rub together, i
plan on laying out and heliarcing an aluminum ladder-frame with a
bed/channel for the original 'pipe', attach the brand-new Henschen axle, and
install the experimental distributed fresh-, black, and graywater piping (4"
and 6" ABS pipe-sections, instead of conventional 'tanks').
I'm still looking around for a lightweight composite/sandwich floor
material... but i'm also considering making my own 'sandwich' using sheet
metal, thin plywood and the thinset mortar underlayment for the
radiant-floor heating...
(see http://www.warmlyyours.com/homeowners/index.asp ), and then a layer of
cork on top of that...
For those who haven't heard about this project, i'm installing a 4,000W
propane-fired genset under one side of the front cafe seating/sleeping area,
and a formerly roof-mounted coleman A/C under the other side... and i'm
trying to keep the dry-weight of this thing around 2,000 lbs. Using the
original Marvel refrigerator, the original Coleman 3-burner range and oven,
and the original enamelled-steel tub... as well as a 'period' Monomatic
recirculating toilet...
Making a little progress on the FrankenJeepster though - got the beefed-up
frame out back right now - i've been wire-brushing and cleaning it in
preparation for the POR-15 treatment, which i'm also applying to the
Trailwind's 'pipe', and the frame, when it's done...
Tuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
> Hey Tuna,
>
> What's up with that Trail Wind??
> I haven't seen anything on it since you took the shell off!
>
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Message Number: 12
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:37:18 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: California room wanted
From: "daiv" <millbrae@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAC] Re: California room wanted
>
> since your building the room you should have your contractor design a
> airplane ramp type docking system using retractable walls & roof to slide
> against your Airstream.
Moving in that direction but costs are a major factor.
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 13
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:46:17 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Climbing on the roof
Thanks for the reply Charlie. When you say the awning makes a good step
over platform do you mean the roof is safe along the area where the
awning attaches?
If so, I don't have an awning but I have the channel where one
was/should be. Can I get on the roof anywhere along there?
Are the gears accessible from the roof?
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Message Number: 14
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:49:44 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: parts for rebuilding water pump
I remember trying to rebuild the original water pump in my 66 Safari. It
looked like a small oil well. I was at a friends RV yard and he had two
other pumps I could cannibalize. Darn it, I could not get the thing to
work. So I went down to the marine shop in Oceanside and bought a modern 12
v. pump. I installed it and had it running in less than a half hour. Saved
some weight too :)
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
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Message Number: 15
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:15:35 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Battery ventilation
You may think battery ventilation is academic, but remember that the
fumes from the battery when charging (or under heavy discharge) are 2
parts hydrogen to one part oxygen, the optimum mixture for the biggest
bang. However, in air hydrogen will burn from 4% to 75% hydrogen
concentration by volume. That wide range of combustible mixtures means a
lot of ventilation is necessary to reduce the hydrogen concentration in
any closed spaces to something below combustible.
Several years ago, I saw the results of overcharging (time only) a
sulfated golf cart battery in a room full of golf carts with inadequate
forced ventilation. All it took was the slight spark when the timer
contacts opened. Depending on random drafts through a 1/4" diameter tube
isn't adequate ventilation.
Another property of hydrogen is that its the smallest molecule and will
go through cracks that stop everything else. Its important to be sure
hydrogen gets OUTSIDE, doesn't stay inside the battery chamber or the
Airstream. That's easiest by putting the battery out on the tongue,
OUTSIDE the Airstream shell.
Gerald J.
--
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson. Reproduction by
permission only.
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Message Number: 16
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:38:00 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Climbing on the roof
Mel,
Without the awning you have to be much more careful. Leaning a ladder
against the coach with lots of padding is a possibility. I still prefer to
step over on to the coach. Yes, the area along the awning rail is safe.
The antenna gears are only accessible from the roof. You will need needle
nose pliers and a small punch to remove pins. There is an illustration on
the back of the package the gears come in to help you.
Charlie
Melvin Mudgett-Price wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Charlie. When you say the awning makes a good step
> over platform do you mean the roof is safe along the area where the
> awning attaches?
>
> If so, I don't have an awning but I have the channel where one
> was/should be. Can I get on the roof anywhere along there?
>
> Are the gears accessible from the roof?
>
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