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VACList DigestVACList-Digest       Tuesday, June 4, 2002      Issue 324
  
Today's Topics:
  
        1. Re: Fw: Generators
        2. Re: New cabinet doors for 70's A/S
        3. Re: Fw: Generators
        4. Re: California Room Wanted!
        5. Re: Fw: Generators
        6. Re: Fw: Generators
        7. Re: Dometic Frig Questions
        8. Re: Fw: Generators
        9. Re: California Room Wanted!
       10. Door Lock Cylinder
       11. Cost of Manuals and what's this white thing
       12. Re: Cost of Manuals and what's this white thing
       13. Re: Door Lock Cylinder
       14. Re: Door Lock Cylinder
       15. Re: New cabinet doors for 70's A/S
       16. Re: Fw: Generators
       17. Re: Fw: Generators
       18. Re: Door Lock Cylinder
       19. Re: Cost of Manuals and what's this white thing
       20. Re: Dometic Frig Questions
       21. Re: Dometic Frig Questions
       22. Re: 
       23. compact folding aluminum handtruck
       24. Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
       25. Re: Tankless Water Heaters?
       26. Link 10 battery monitor
       27. Air Conditioner Installation Question
       28. Climbing on the roof
       29. Re: Air Conditioner Installation Question
       30. Belly aluminum
       31. Advice please - Travels, Flags, Fuel and Caravans




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Message Number: 1
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:23:48 -0700
From: James Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

Blair is right... the 13.5 amps corresponds to a 1600 watt run value.. 
similar to the 2800 watt run value (23 amps ) for the 3000... 2000 watts is 
the max value and has a corresponding 16 amp current spec... ( see 
http://www.mayberrys.com/honda/generator/html/invertgenerator.htm     )  It 
may run on a 15 amp fuse and still be a bit much for the 2000...  If the AC 
has an 8.5 amp current for a run current though, I think the start should 
be within the 2000's capacity...Bottom line, check it with a dealer if you 
can before buying...turn off the electric idle before giving up on the 
generator....

Jim Clark



At 02:48 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim - I use the 2000i it will pull 13.3 Amps and 2000 watts (2400 for a 
>short time.)  Not enough for the A/C (91) on my limited which requires 
>14.4 AMPS to run, but enough for the rest and then some.
>
>I suggest you visit a Honda dealer with trailer in tow and ask for a demo 
>on your trailer.   It worked for me.  Also check prices on the net before 
>you go and see what you can negotiate with the dealer.   I saved 40.00 
>over the internet price at a dealer and now have a real person who knows 
>the product.  Hopefully you'll be able to gwet a deal as well.  Call me f 
>youd like to discuss the generator I'm using.
>
>Blair Prestin
>64  25' Tradewind Twin (for Sale)
>91  34' Limited (NOW FULL TIMMING)
>
>Earn While You Travel
>336.263.9032
>
>
>
>
>At 12:12 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:ow c call a person for help if needed.
>
>
>>       Does anyone know the generator size which would be required
>>      to power a Coleman Mini Mach airconditioner?The unit requires
>>      8.2 amps, 1000 watts and generates 7100 btu's. I have not been
>>      able to locate startup electrical surge requirement. Interior
>>      lights, tv, etc. would operate off the battery while the
>>      generator was in use, so sizing the generator would be
>>      determined just by the startup requirements of the
>>      airconditioner. I like the features of the Honda EU2000i but
>>      don't know if 2000 watts max. will start my unit.
>>      Thankyou.Jim'61 Bambi
>>
>>
>>
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Message Number: 2
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:50:12 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: New cabinet doors for 70's A/S

I think I paid about $85 for a 4 x 8 sheet, all rolled up.

go to:
http://www.winonamanufacturing.com/d_woodtone.shtml

You have to order through a local distributor, but mine sent it right
along promptly.

It is not an exact match to the "walnut" in my '73, but no one will
notice unless you tell them.  I cut mine to size with a saber saw, I
think I left 1/8 shy so it wouldn't bind. (measure 3 times..) 

There isn't much there to attach hinges to, and the tambours are a light
weight solution that I can't brain myself with. I don't have handles for
the overhead ones and they work just fine.

Daisy

You want the vinyl stuff, 

Tim Shephard wrote:
> 
> Thanks Terry & Daisy,
> 
> I just assumed they were no longer available.  Any idea how much they cost?
> 
> -Tim
> tim@telecom-pros.com
> http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
> eFax (508) 590-0302
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Tyler" <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 8:07 PM
> Subject: [VAC] New cabinet doors for 70's A/S
> 
> > Hey Tim,
> >
> > If you've ever seen a serviceman replace them, you know it's one of the
> > easiest jobs going. You're like me - a glutton for punishment - even when
> > it's not necessary.  It's a good thing I never pay myself an hourly wage
> per
> > job.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > ++++++++++++
> >
> > on 06/02/02 10:24 PM, jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> > >
> > > As many of you know, I have a '71 Safari.
> > >
> > > The tambour doors are non existant except for the upper ones.  I have no
> > > interest in trying to replace the tambour.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message Number: 3
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 20:53:19 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

I think the Honda's have a sort of surge immunity that will take it a
little bit over the rating for a few seconds, but the load has to be
pretty close. My Honda dealer had a chart by BTU of a/c's. BTW, I love
mine, it starts very easily.

Daisy

"Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" wrote:
> 
> Generally the common types of AC motors take 5 to 6 times running
> current for starting. So 120 volts 8.2 amps running means 120 volts 49.2
> amps starting. 6 KVA surge. Often the starting current for A/C is listed
> as "locked rotor" current.
> 
> It is possible to make Ac motors that start on no more current than
> running but those aren't generally compatible with being hermetically
> sealed in refrigerant.
> 
> Gerald J.
> --
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Message Number: 4
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:00:06 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: California Room Wanted!

But, but, we all want to hear about it...

Daisy

"Thomas, George C (N-YOH)" wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I heve been off the list for a few days and I don't know if you have gotten
> your answer to your California room yet. I was in Everett, Wa about 10 years
> ago in a RV park and there was a gentlemen that had a room that was next to
> his Airstream. It was an alumimum screen room that he had He modified
> himself. The ends were molded to the curvature of his Airstream with a soft
> rubber bulb seal on the curved sides and top of his structure. The rear had
> about a 2ft high peice along the bottom which served as skirting and added
> for strength. On the bottom he had a seal much like you see on garage doors
> and wheels that would raised up and down with a foot peddle. They raised the
> whole room up about 2 inches and then he simply moved it away from his
> trailer when he went camping. When he returned he just moved it back against
> his trailer and the bulb seal kept the rain out. The room was about 12ft
> long and about 10ft wide. He had the whole thing attached with bolts and
> wing-nut because he went to Ca during the Winter and he could take it with
> him. It was really easy to move. This gentleman was in his late 60's to
> early 70's and he moved it all by himself and even showed me how he did it
> If you need more info or I can be of anymore hepl e-mail me off list.
> 
> George
> 66' Safari
> George.C.Thomas@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> 
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Message Number: 5
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:59:11 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

Unless the motors in the A/C are really special soft start motors they
are going to demand 5 to 6 times running current and that demand is
beyond the capability of the prime mover of most small generators and
beyond the current limiting of the generator's regulator. I don't think
a 2000 watt generator will start a 1000 watt A/C because the 2000 watt
rating on the Honda electronic is surge, not continuous.

The only way to be sure is to try it and to run it long enough for the
A/C to start and stop on its own a few times.

Gerald J.
-- 
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Message Number: 6
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 19:01:43 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

I went searching for information on the Honda's motor starting capacity
and found essentially nothing from sellers on the internet. The topic
was ignored by vendors, though thoroughly discussed on multiple RV and
travel trailer lists, including this one with references to Tom
Patterson's archives.

Gerald J.
-- 
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permission only.


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Message Number: 7
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:09:40 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Dometic Frig Questions

Hi Jeff. 

The fridge takes about 24 hours to get cold.  I dunno about the
thermostat.  One problem may be that the heat that builds up in the area
behind the fridge where the coils are can build up so you lose your
cool.... some folks put a tiny fan back there to keep the heat moving on
up and out the vent. Is the vent clean ? Is the chimney thing above the
flame clean ?

Daisy's first fix it rule; Clean it.

Any RV place that is halfway decent at repairs can give it a going over.
Just be sure they know you will NOT buy a new one...

Go see:
http://www.rvmobile.com/

They have tons of information.

Daisy

Jeff Griffin wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
> The frig in my 1968 Caravel is acting up.


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Message Number: 8
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:27:40 -0400
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

Thanyou all,  I'm believe the Honda EU2000 would work fine, but be right on
the edge. I finally found a web page from manufacturer suggesting a 2500
watt or higher generator for the Mini Mach. So I've decided to play it super
safe and go with the Yamaha YG2800i. Its a little heavier, 64 lbs., and a
little nosier 65 dbs., but I'll  have a little reserve which I understand is
needed under some conditions.
Jim
'61 Bambi
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Clark" <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Fw: Generators


> Blair is right... the 13.5 amps corresponds to a 1600 watt run value..
> similar to the 2800 watt run value (23 amps ) for the 3000... 2000 watts
is
> the max value and has a corresponding 16 amp current spec... ( see
> http://www.mayberrys.com/honda/generator/html/invertgenerator.htm     )
It
> may run on a 15 amp fuse and still be a bit much for the 2000...  If the
AC
> has an 8.5 amp current for a run current though, I think the start should
> be within the 2000's capacity...Bottom line, check it with a dealer if you
> can before buying...turn off the electric idle before giving up on the
> generator....
>
> Jim Clark
>
>
>
> At 02:48 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Jim - I use the 2000i it will pull 13.3 Amps and 2000 watts (2400 for a
> >short time.)  Not enough for the A/C (91) on my limited which requires
> >14.4 AMPS to run, but enough for the rest and then some.
> >
> >I suggest you visit a Honda dealer with trailer in tow and ask for a demo
> >on your trailer.   It worked for me.  Also check prices on the net before
> >you go and see what you can negotiate with the dealer.   I saved 40.00
> >over the internet price at a dealer and now have a real person who knows
> >the product.  Hopefully you'll be able to gwet a deal as well.  Call me f
> >youd like to discuss the generator I'm using.
> >
> >Blair Prestin
> >64  25' Tradewind Twin (for Sale)
> >91  34' Limited (NOW FULL TIMMING)
> >
> >Earn While You Travel
> >336.263.9032
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:12 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:ow c call a person for help if
needed.
> >
> >
> >>       Does anyone know the generator size which would be required
> >>      to power a Coleman Mini Mach airconditioner?The unit requires
> >>      8.2 amps, 1000 watts and generates 7100 btu's. I have not been
> >>      able to locate startup electrical surge requirement. Interior
> >>      lights, tv, etc. would operate off the battery while the
> >>      generator was in use, so sizing the generator would be
> >>      determined just by the startup requirements of the
> >>      airconditioner. I like the features of the Honda EU2000i but
> >>      don't know if 2000 watts max. will start my unit.
> >>      Thankyou.Jim'61 Bambi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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Message Number: 9
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:05:29 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: California Room Wanted!

> But, but, we all want to hear about it...

Daisy Dear,
    George sent me this website as a starter.
http://www.screen-house.com/Patio_Canopy.htm
It's a really interesting site but I am looking for a hard roof and hard
wall structure.  I feel really confident that a blending of design
technologies will yield a permanent structure that can be docked against.
The only thing that really has to move is the curved insulation that snugs
up against the fuselage of the Airstream Coach.  I see the overhead awning
track as vital for attachment of the roof but I'm open to all other
approaches.

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA



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Message Number: 10
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:46:10 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Door Lock Cylinder

Does anyone know a source for the door lock cylinder and keys for a 1972
Trade Wind. I emailed Colaw RV Salvage and Inland RV last Thursday and
neither have responded so I need another source.

Thank you.

Mel and Sheila
1972 Trade Wind


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Message Number: 11
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:54:48 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Cost of Manuals and what's this white thing

Hello everyone,

I thought I read somewhere that a photocopied owner's manual was $25 and
the service manual was $35, this was from secretarial services. When my
wife called today she was quoted $110, does this sound correct?

I have 2 white plastic plates in my trailer and of course no manual.
What are they for? They both have a silver recessed socket, a little
like a cigarette lighter socket. One of them has two very small holes
below the silver socket. I found some flat wire with a plug that goes
into these small holes. Is this the TV antenna? If so, it currently
terminates with two bare wires. How do I convert this to the coax
terminator that goes into the back of my TV.

I guess I won't have as many "obvious" questions when I buy the manual.

Thank you in advance.

Mel and Sheila
1972 Trade Wind


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Message Number: 12
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:03:10 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Cost of Manuals and what's this white thing

To go from twinlead (flat TV line) to the coaxial input you need a
balanced to unbalanced transformer (balun).

Gerald J.
-- 
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson. Reproduction by
permission only.


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Message Number: 13
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:34:09 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Re: Door Lock Cylinder

I got one for my '71 Safari at Oasis RV. 

www.oasisrv.com


-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: [VAC] Door Lock Cylinder


> Does anyone know a source for the door lock cylinder and keys for a 1972
> Trade Wind. I emailed Colaw RV Salvage and Inland RV last Thursday and
> neither have responded so I need another source.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Mel and Sheila
> 1972 Trade Wind
> 
> 
> 
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> 



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Message Number: 14
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:43:03 -0600
From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Door Lock Cylinder

Our '64 GlobeTrotter has a Weslock passage set with a 2" backset. I 
called all the major finish hardware manufacturers I could think of. 
Only a couple specialty manufacturers make 2" backsets any more and 
Weslock is no longer one of them. Due to disabled access laws, most 
manufacturers are phasing out simple knobs in favor of levers. We found 
it easier to repair and replate our unit and best of all, it's still stock.

Rob & Shari Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter, #1824
Denver, CO



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Message Number: 15
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:47:11 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <tim@telecom-pros.com>
Subject: Re: New cabinet doors for 70's A/S

Well, thanks for the input Daisy, and Terry again.

I went 'against the grain' ;-) and made some regular cabinet doors today.
Actually my woodworking cousin made them for me.

When I get them done,  I'll post some pictures.

-Tim
tim@telecom-pros.com
http://www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daisy Welch" <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: New cabinet doors for 70's A/S


> I think I paid about $85 for a 4 x 8 sheet, all rolled up.
>
> go to:
> http://www.winonamanufacturing.com/d_woodtone.shtml




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Message Number: 16
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:43:37 -0700
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

The "new" Argosy that I'm getting has a dead generator, and I've been looking
for something to run the A/C on the way home (SC to CA) so my wife and dog will
be happy. So this thread about generators is VERY timely for me.

Many thanks for mentioning Mayberry, Chris!!  http://www.mayberrys.com/

The gentleman on the phone at Mayberry tells me that the EU2000i works fine for
a 13,500 BTU A/Cs. (This is significantly larger than the Mini Mach). Said they
have hundreds of customers using them for this purpose.. IMHO, Honda is
unbeatable. This unit is 46 pounds, and (until 6-7) $859 INCLUDING domestic
delivery! Amazing!!

Best regards,

Rik


Jim Stewart wrote:

> Thanyou all,  I'm believe the Honda EU2000 would work fine, but be right on
> the edge. I finally found a web page from manufacturer suggesting a 2500
> watt or higher generator for the Mini Mach. So I've decided to play it super
> safe and go with the Yamaha YG2800i. Its a little heavier, 64 lbs., and a
> little nosier 65 dbs., but I'll  have a little reserve which I understand is
> needed under some conditions.
> Jim
> '61 Bambi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Clark" <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:23 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Fw: Generators
>
> > Blair is right... the 13.5 amps corresponds to a 1600 watt run value..
> > similar to the 2800 watt run value (23 amps ) for the 3000... 2000 watts
> is
> > the max value and has a corresponding 16 amp current spec... ( see
> > http://www.mayberrys.com/honda/generator/html/invertgenerator.htm     )
> It
> > may run on a 15 amp fuse and still be a bit much for the 2000...  If the
> AC
> > has an 8.5 amp current for a run current though, I think the start should
> > be within the 2000's capacity...Bottom line, check it with a dealer if you
> > can before buying...turn off the electric idle before giving up on the
> > generator....
> >
> > Jim Clark
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:48 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Jim - I use the 2000i it will pull 13.3 Amps and 2000 watts (2400 for a
> > >short time.)  Not enough for the A/C (91) on my limited which requires
> > >14.4 AMPS to run, but enough for the rest and then some.
> > >
> > >I suggest you visit a Honda dealer with trailer in tow and ask for a demo
> > >on your trailer.   It worked for me.  Also check prices on the net before
> > >you go and see what you can negotiate with the dealer.   I saved 40.00
> > >over the internet price at a dealer and now have a real person who knows
> > >the product.  Hopefully you'll be able to gwet a deal as well.  Call me f
> > >youd like to discuss the generator I'm using.
> > >
> > >Blair Prestin
> > >64  25' Tradewind Twin (for Sale)
> > >91  34' Limited (NOW FULL TIMMING)
> > >
> > >Earn While You Travel
> > >336.263.9032
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 12:12 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:ow c call a person for help if
> needed.
> > >
> > >
> > >>       Does anyone know the generator size which would be required
> > >>      to power a Coleman Mini Mach airconditioner?The unit requires
> > >>      8.2 amps, 1000 watts and generates 7100 btu's. I have not been
> > >>      able to locate startup electrical surge requirement. Interior
> > >>      lights, tv, etc. would operate off the battery while the
> > >>      generator was in use, so sizing the generator would be
> > >>      determined just by the startup requirements of the
> > >>      airconditioner. I like the features of the Honda EU2000i but
> > >>      don't know if 2000 watts max. will start my unit.
> > >>      Thankyou.Jim'61 Bambi
>



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Message Number: 17
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:57:54 -0400
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Generators

I like the specs. on the Honda 2000i too, however, I felt
didn't want to go against the advice of the Airconditioner manufacturer.
Jim
'61 Bambi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik & Susan Beeson" <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:43 AM
Subject: [VAC] Re: Fw: Generators


> The "new" Argosy that I'm getting has a dead generator, and I've been
looking
> for something to run the A/C on the way home (SC to CA) so my wife and dog
will
> be happy. So this thread about generators is VERY timely for me.
>
> Many thanks for mentioning Mayberry, Chris!!  http://www.mayberrys.com/
>
> The gentleman on the phone at Mayberry tells me that the EU2000i works
fine for
> a 13,500 BTU A/Cs. (This is significantly larger than the Mini Mach). Said
they
> have hundreds of customers using them for this purpose.. IMHO, Honda is
> unbeatable. This unit is 46 pounds, and (until 6-7) $859 INCLUDING
domestic
> delivery! Amazing!!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rik
>
>
> Jim Stewart wrote:
>
> > Thanyou all,  I'm believe the Honda EU2000 would work fine, but be right
on
> > the edge. I finally found a web page from manufacturer suggesting a 2500
> > watt or higher generator for the Mini Mach. So I've decided to play it
super
> > safe and go with the Yamaha YG2800i. Its a little heavier, 64 lbs., and
a
> > little nosier 65 dbs., but I'll  have a little reserve which I
understand is
> > needed under some conditions.
> > Jim
> > '61 Bambi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Clark" <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 10:23 PM
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Fw: Generators
> >
> > > Blair is right... the 13.5 amps corresponds to a 1600 watt run value..
> > > similar to the 2800 watt run value (23 amps ) for the 3000... 2000
watts
> > is
> > > the max value and has a corresponding 16 amp current spec... ( see
> > >
://www.mayberrys.com/honda/generator/html/invertgenerator.htm     )
> > It
> > > may run on a 15 amp fuse and still be a bit much for the 2000...  If
the
> > AC
> > > has an 8.5 amp current for a run current though, I think the start
should
> > > be within the 2000's capacity...Bottom line, check it with a dealer if
you
> > > can before buying...turn off the electric idle before giving up on the
> > > generator....
> > >
> > > Jim Clark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:48 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Jim - I use the 2000i it will pull 13.3 Amps and 2000 watts (2400 for
a
> > > >short time.)  Not enough for the A/C (91) on my limited which
requires
> > > >14.4 AMPS to run, but enough for the rest and then some.
> > > >
> > > >I suggest you visit a Honda dealer with trailer in tow and ask for a
demo
> > > >on your trailer.   It worked for me.  Also check prices on the net
before
> > > >you go and see what you can negotiate with the dealer.   I saved
40.00
> > > >over the internet price at a dealer and now have a real person who
knows
> > > >the product.  Hopefully you'll be able to gwet a deal as well.  Call
me f
> > > >youd like to discuss the generator I'm using.
> > > >
> > > >Blair Prestin
> > > >64  25' Tradewind Twin (for Sale)
> > > >91  34' Limited (NOW FULL TIMMING)
> > > >
> > > >Earn While You Travel
> > > >336.263.9032
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 12:12 AM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:ow c call a person for help if
> > needed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>       Does anyone know the generator size which would be required
> > > >>      to power a Coleman Mini Mach airconditioner?The unit requires
> > > >>      8.2 amps, 1000 watts and generates 7100 btu's. I have not been
> > > >>      able to locate startup electrical surge requirement. Interior
> > > >>      lights, tv, etc. would operate off the battery while the
> > > >>      generator was in use, so sizing the generator would be
> > > >>      determined just by the startup requirements of the
> > > >>      airconditioner. I like the features of the Honda EU2000i but
> > > >>      don't know if 2000 watts max. will start my unit.
> > > >>      Thankyou.Jim'61 Bambi
> >
>
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Message Number: 18
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregory Paulsen <gregpaulsen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Door Lock Cylinder

You have a KT lock, the cylinder is available from any
Airstream dealer. We stock them, sorry no one has
emailed you back, but if you call we can quote you a
price. Greg Paulsen Inland RV 1-800-877-7311

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Message Number: 19
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:43:58 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Cost of Manuals and what's this white thing

At 11:54 PM 6/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:


>I have 2 white plastic plates in my trailer and of course no manual.
>What are they for? They both have a silver recessed socket, a little
>like a cigarette lighter socket. One of them has two very small holes
>below the silver socket. I found some flat wire with a plug that goes
>into these small holes. Is this the TV antenna? If so, it currently
>terminates with two bare wires. How do I convert this to the coax
>terminator that goes into the back of my TV.

Yes, thats the TV antenna and power connectors.

The antenna plug was made for a two pronged plug that connects to "flat" 75 
ohm (I believe) twin lead antenna wire.

To hook it up to coax, you will need a matching transformer. You can get 
those at any Radio Shack or home center that sells TV antennas. They are 
very inexpensive. You may even find the plug there.

Dave


_________________________________________________________________
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WBCCI: 5074

1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio




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Message Number: 20
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:47:53 -0500
From: "Jeff Griffin" <mrfurious007@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Dometic Frig Questions

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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [VAC] Re: Dometic Frig Questions 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 21:09:40 -0400 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hi Jeff. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The fridge takes about 24 hours to get cold. I dunno about the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;thermostat. One problem may be that the heat that builds up in the area 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;behind the fridge where the coils are can build up so you lose your 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;cool.... some folks put a tiny fan back there to keep the heat moving on 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;up and out the vent. Is the vent clean ? Is the chimney thing above the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;flame clean ? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Daisy's first fix it rule; Clean it. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Any RV place that is halfway decent at repairs can give it a going over. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Just be sure they know you will NOT buy a new one... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Go see: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.rvmobile.com/ 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;They have tons of information. 
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Message Number: 21
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:22:45 EDT
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: Dometic Frig Questions

Jeff. 24 hours on gas or electric? If it's on gas, then the burner and 
orifice needs cleaning, badly. Also have the LPG pressure checked. It should 
be between 11 to 13 inches of water column pressure.

Andy


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Message Number: 22
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:11:57 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <dkparins@ez-net.com>
Subject: Re: 



Terry wrote:
> My two deep cycle marine batteries are in standard plastic battery cases.
> There was a "punch out" hole in each cover which I used for a hose of  the
> same size as the punch out (about 1/4 inch). I used hose clamps on the
> inside of each cover to keep the ends in the battery cases. Both short hoses
> from each battery were routed over the battery case covers and plugged into
> a plastic "T" with tapered ends (again about 1/4 or 3/8 inch).
> 
> On the single end of the "T", I connected another hose and ran it to the
> sidewall of the trailer where I had drilled a hole and slipped in (tight
> fit) a piece of copper tubing from my spare parts stash box. I had also
> coated the copper tubing with blue lock tite (probably overkill) before
> inserting it into the side wall. I then attached the hose to the copper
> tubing where it protruded inside the wall and used another hose clamp.

Thanks for the suggestion Terry.  When you say "standard plastic battery
boxes"  do you mean the kind they sell for boats with openings on the side
of the cover for the cables to exit?  If so did you plug those holes and the
little louvred vents on the top?  One boat guy told me that they worry about
trapped battery gases because they cause aluminum to corrode so now I'm
really concerned about getting this right.  Is a 1/4 inch vent big enough?

Dick
'62 Bambi




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Message Number: 23
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: compact folding aluminum handtruck

I thought this might of of general interest to fellow
Airstreamers:

My local Home Depot has marked their collapsible
aluminum handtrucks down to $49 (from $79).  I suspect
they will be marked down at other locations.

I have been wanting one for some time because it
stores so neatly (it folds to about 2 inches thick). 
I don't recommend moving anything truly heavy (e.g.
fridges or washing machines) with it, but it is just
the thing for coolers, boxes and small portable grey
water tanks. 

Jon in SC
68 Overlander

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Message Number: 24
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 02 09:43:25 -0600
From: Roy Lashway <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Tankless Water Heaters?

>Roy Lashway wrote:
>
>> You should call Airstream as they at one time offered the tankless heater
>> as an option. A friend got a new 34ft unit three years ago and he had
>> specified one.
=========
The unit in my friends trailer was a Precision model. 

Roy Lashway
'78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
WBCCI 1610     VAC
rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com
web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway
   (polishing report included)  



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Message Number: 25
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:12:16 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <myairstream@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Tankless Water Heaters?

> >Roy Lashway wrote:
> The unit in my friends trailer was a Precision model.

A great deal of interest in the Precision Temp RV-500 has been shown
throughout this thread.  I have specified this unit in my upcoming grant.
Any happy or unhappy users out there?

Bob Kiger  http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA




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Message Number: 26
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:43:25 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <n7kt@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Link 10 battery monitor

I was in Camping World today and saw that the Link 10 is on sale.  $149.95,
down from $224.95.

Roger Hightower, N7KT
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 27
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:46:43 EDT
From: Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Air Conditioner Installation Question

Hell Folks-

I am getting ready to install an Air Conditioner on my 1966 22' Safari. About 
two years ago, I had the interior skin down and found the factory placed 
wire, as described, and I installed a condensate line through the walls. Then 
I buttoned the whole business up without marking anything! I plan on a 
through the roof installation as I don't want to lose a vent, and need the 
following information which was posted here a while back:

How far back from the first rib do you install an Air Conditioner on a 1966 
Safari?
I believe it was like 122" but I'd feel better knowing for certain. 

Thanks in Advance 
Alex in hot and humid Indiana
66 Safari 


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Message Number: 28
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:06:23 -0400
From: "Melvin Mudgett-Price" <mprice@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Climbing on the roof

I recently saw a post about where on the roof it is safe to stand but as
I am new to Airstreams I didn't really understand it. It mentioned where
to stand in relation to the ribs. Do I locate the ribs based on rows of
rivets. I'm looking at a picture of my '72 Trade Wind now and I only see
a seam to the right of the door and another one way at the back. What I
really need to do is get on the roof and investigate why the handle to
raise the antenna is frozen solid.

Thank you in advance

Mel and Sheila
'72 Trade Wind
Cleveland, OH 


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Message Number: 29
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:01:00 -0700
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: Air Conditioner Installation Question

> How far back from the first rib do you install an Air Conditioner on a
1966
> Safari?
> I believe it was like 122" but I'd feel better knowing for certain.
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Alex in hot and humid Indiana
> 66 Safari

Hi Alex:

How far back to install it is the center vent.  122" is not a good number.
The entire straight section of shell is 144" and there is a rear vent in
that last 22".  Using the center vent for the A/C will leave you with
another vent less than 4 feet fore and aft.  IMHO, I would consider
carefully before chopping another hole in the roof.

Good luck,

GQ '67 Safari



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Message Number: 30
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:18:04 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <dkparins@ez-net.com>
Subject: Belly aluminum




> 
> Will wrote:
> 
>> The belly skins were totally shot so I need to replace them. Anyone have any
>> advice here? What kind of aluminum is best to replace it with?


Will

I went back and compared the 6061 T6 to the original aluminum.  The original
is considerably more flexible and has less spring when bent.  This could be
important in replacing the entire belly so I would think 6061 T6 may not be
your best choice.  You may want to ask if 6061 T4  which also comes in .025
thickness is more flexible than T6.  



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Message Number: 31
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:18:45 -0500
From: "Nicholas Sowter" <nicholas.sowter@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Advice please - Travels, Flags, Fuel and Caravans

Hi there, 

After 18 months of planning and dreaming, I am finally on my way to the states in July from the UK to pick up and use my 69 Overlander.
I am using a  tonne suburban to tow and will be travelling between Albany New York, and Spokane Washington to pick it up. Once the long haul is over I plan to take it easy around say a 300 mile radius
of Albany for two weeks, before a reluctant return to the work in the UK.
 
I have been in the States only twice before on short trips only and without an Airstream! It would be great to get some advice on where to stay on both the trip out to Spokane with just the suburban.
And also where we can stay for the night when on the way back with the Airstream.  It is business like trip, as my young family will be awaiting my
return.  I will have a mechanic with me, courtesy of his desire to hit the road, and a very helpful relative back in Albany.
Some advice on places to stay once I get back to Albany and travel with my family would be great.

Also I have seen flagstaffs placed at the rear or front of Airstreams and would like to get two or three of these - the stars and stripes, the union jack, and an Airstream flag.	I also have
an idea that it would be great to fly smaller flags on the wings or front bumper or as you folks say fender of the suburban as you sometimes see
on limos.  Can anyone offer advice on where to get
these.
Can anyone offer advice on fuel consumption for the burb, I am figuring on 10 miles per gallon as an average with or without the airstream in tow; is this about right - My trip each way is 2700 miles!

It looks as if I will miss the rallies this year, but I will be back in 2003 and we aim to go then.

One more thing - International Caravans - in around 2010 or 2015 my wife and I will be ready to travel the world with our Airstream, does anyone have plans to re-create the caravans of the 50s and 60s. I
imagine a group of 10 or 20 of us, with sponsership, making our way around the world.
 
All the best and regards
 
Nick & Jackie
 
nicholas.sowter@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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