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VAL Digest V2 #87
VAL Digest Sunday, December 5 2004 Volume 02 : Number 087
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] RE: VAL Digest V2 #86
Re: [VAL] Re: window question
Re: [VAL] Re: window question
[VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
RE: [VAL] Re: window question
Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
[VAL] Re:Mexican travel
Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
[VAL] Texas Ware on eBay
[VAL] VAL Photo Album
[VAL] Update-Thanks for the help & some travel questions...
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #86
Re: [VAL] Re:Mexican travel
Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
Re: [VAL] Re: window question
[VAL] Trailer brochure's
Re: [VAL] Trailer brochure's
Re: [VAL] Trailer brochure's
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:45:05 -0600
From: "Sherry" <sherryhayes@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] RE: VAL Digest V2 #86
Jon wrote:
>I have heard so many horror stories about travelling
>through Mexico that it never occured to me that one
>might drive to Belize
I've never been on a caravan through Mexico but I have traveled quite a bit,
both in Baja and on the mainland. I have a '63 Bambi and go by myself with
my dogs. And I've never had a problem - the friendliest, most helpful people
I have ever met. I wouldn't drive in Mexico City and I wouldn't travel
through any of the areas where drug trafficking is the primary industry, and
I don't drive at night or very fast, but it is a beautiful country with so
much to see that I wouldn't want to anyway! Thousands of people camp there
from the United States every year with very few problems. - Sherry
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 03:08:09 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: window question
Matt,
The windows on our 1969 Intl Ambassador are NOT tempered glass, they were
not tempered back then or farther back.
The BEST thing anyone can do is to ADD window tint to the inside of your
glass which will keep it in place for the most part if it ever breaks -- and
they do now and then.
Tom
> Scott Scheuermann wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>
>>Has no one else on this list had this problem except with the Vista Views?
>>Hopefully disassembly of the wing/wrap-around windows is similar.
>>
>>The inner window is labeled Herculite solid tempered. Does this mean
>>Plexiglas?
>>
>>Scott
>>
>
>><snip>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Scott,
>
> Never heard of tempered plexiglas, I'd bet the barn its tempered glass.
> Tempered breaks in to little round pieces, rather than shards. Actually
> all your windows should be tempered, but I can't be sure if that was a
> (safety) requirement that long ago. (IIRC yours is a '69?)
>
> Matt
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:19:50 -0700
From: MJ Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: window question
Tom,
I'll have to check out my '75 and '76 trailers and see if it had started
by then. I know when I needed a window in my '57 Bubble the repair shop
used Lexan to eliminate the time required to have a piece the proper
size tempered. Apparently that is now a requirement, even though it is
now illegal in most states to ride in the trailer. Surprisingly, back
in the '70s it was only illegal in 3 states, IIRC there is only 1 or 2
states now where it's legal.
Now that I think of it, my '75 Santa Fe had plate glass, our dog broke
her way out one time (presumably) rather than mess in the trailer.
The window tint film is a good idea.
By the way, I see you have a '73, Scott, not a '69. My bad.
Wonder when they switched to tempered...
Matt
Photos of the fleet at: http://community.webshots.com/user/wornmatt
Tom wrote:
> Matt,
>
> The windows on our 1969 Intl Ambassador are NOT tempered glass, they
> were not tempered back then or farther back.
>
> The BEST thing anyone can do is to ADD window tint to the inside of
> your glass which will keep it in place for the most part if it ever
> breaks -- and they do now and then.
>
<snip>
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 09:11:14 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
Thanks to Tom and all his help, I've put a few photo's of Pearl on his
site. Again with Tom's help, I'm trying to add some description along
with the pictures, should be up soon. It's hard to appreciate the work
done without seeing the before photo's so I'm going to try to have my
hard copy pictures made digital.
Patti
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 08:29:43 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: window question
Hello All,
Only John could come up with this great suggestion! Scott's wife is a
teacher she could take the terrarium to school! Scott, don't remove the
window, start a new trend Airstream classroom on wheels.
Ed
WBCCI/Vac 4425
68 Sovereign (no double panes to worry about)
59 Traveler (I'm just lucky that I has windows)
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of John Sellers
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 11:39 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: window question
Scott,
> So, on my '73 with double paned glass, the place to start on the front
> corner window, is to try to take out the interior pane? I can't begin
> to describe how much moss is living inside that window. YUCK!
Maybe you're approaching this from the wrong direction. Put a small
frog and some bugs in there and you can have the only Airstream in your
neighborhood with a built-in terrarium. . . ;-)
Best,
John Sellers
WBCCI/VAC #1587
1960 Pacer (with all single-pane glass)
Dayton, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:32:09 -0600
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
At 08:11 AM 12/4/2004, you wrote:
> I'm going to try to have my hard copy pictures made digital.
>
>Patti
The last time we had film developed at Sam's Club, they were able to give
us a CD as well as the photos printed... We X'd the box for the CD by
mistake and have one CD of pictures rattling around here someplace...
They may be able to send your negatives out for conversion to CD...
Actually anyone with a fairly modern scanner can scan photos....
Have fun....
Jim
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 08:35:09 -0600
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re:Mexican travel
At 12:45 AM 12/4/2004, you wrote:
>I wouldn't travel
>through any of the areas where drug trafficking is the primary industry
How do you tell which areas are to be avoided???
Jim
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:44:56 -0700
From: MJ Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
> Thanks to Tom and all his help, I've put a few photo's of Pearl on his
> site.
<snip>
Hi Patti,
Looks like you have been giving the Cyclo a good deal of exercise.
I want one of those marine fireplace heaters for my bubble. (Can I, Ma,
please, please!)
Hugs to the hunds,
Matt
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:59:44 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Texas Ware on eBay
All,
I was snooping around eBay a few minutes ago and ran into this two-toned
dishware set for sale.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13941&item=3293841847
&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
I have no economic interest in this item, I just thought that it might
work well for one of you who might be outfitting your vintage Airstream with
authentic appointments.
It doesn't show too well in the photo but the tops/inside of the items
are turquoise and the outside/bottoms are a cocoa brown.
I have a set just like these but mine are yellow instead of turquoise
and they're way cool.
Glyn
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:03:07 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] VAL Photo Album
We have run into a few problems uploading Patti's pictures into the album,
thus the delay in adding descriptions. I do hope to enable this function
for Patti later today.
There have been some difficulties in using the album. Some of them resulted
from the way in which I originally configured the program, but the program
version was an early one, and it came with multiple bugs. I have now
downloaded a later version (several upgrades later) and am going to go ahead
sometime in the next few days and replace the existing version on the site.
Hopefully the new version will be more user friendly, and enable more of you
to use it.
- -Tom
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From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
> Thanks to Tom and all his help, I've put a few photo's of Pearl on his
> site. Again with Tom's help, I'm trying to add some description along with
> the pictures, should be up soon. It's hard to appreciate the work done
> without seeing the before photo's so I'm going to try to have my hard copy
> pictures made digital.
>
> Patti
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 07:28:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Update-Thanks for the help & some travel questions...
Good Morning,
Thanks to all who responded with suggestions for fixing my poor aging appliances. I'm
pleased to announce that they are (almost) all working now.
I ripped the Carlson out, cleaned all the gas valves and ran it in my yard on a
barbecue tank for 24 hours. I re-installed it and it seems to work fine. It doesn't get
quite as hot in the trailer as I had hoped, but on a night when the outside temp was
in the 20's, the lowest it went inside was 46. According to my high-low thermometer.
I may add a supplementary ceramic AC unit later.
I took the gas valve apart on the Bowen as well, cleaned it all up and reinstalled it.
I was extremely careful with all the delicate springs and gaskets. (Unusual for one as
ham handed as I) When I went to light it I had a small scare however: the gas control
unit was not sealed properly and flames crept from the pilot back to the valve. I was
bug-eyed to say the least. Tightened everything up, gave it the soapy water test, and
it's good to go.
I also found a small drip from my old bronze dump valve. The smallest black drip is
unacceptable, as you know. I took the valve off, cleaned everything, polished the gate
surface, re-placed the O ring and shimmed it slightly. When I reinstalled everything, I
was so happy to see it bone dry.
Of course when I was re-installing the belly panels I drilled a 1/8th hole DIRECTLY into
the sink/tub PVC drain pipe. I was too lazy to fix it properly so I just hose clamped it.
After all the drama, I decided to turn all my systems on at once and gloat. Can you
believe that the only thing I couldn't get working was my BRAND NEW Norcold fridge? I put
it in two years ago and never used it, except to test it. I'm afraid to fiddle with
something so modern. I'll have the trailer place look at it before I go.
Oh yeah, I also re-upholstered, got new curtains, carpeting, halogen lighting, Bose sound
system and a 23" Toshiba LCD TV! All this in preparation for a trip cross-country for a
month or two. New York to LA.
I will be taking a southern route and would love some suggestions about campgrounds, sights
to see, tips & tricks etc. I have no traveling experience..only a few weekend trips
fishing near here with my old Caravel years ago..
Thanks!
Courtney
PS Where's Hunter these days?
PPS Will someone tell me how to turn the italics off?
RJ Dial <radiodial@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
You're almost there. The pilot valve should always be spring loaded up.
What you are doing is bypassing the thermocouple function with it sticking
down. Address the sticking function by cleaning the LPG goo from the valve
body ((usually held in place by a small plate and screws under the knob).
Then it's back to adjusting the pilot so it hits the thermocouple,
tightening up the thermocouple fittings, or replacing the thermocouple.
- --
Best of luck,
RJ
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>
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:43:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Courtney Gwyn
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Carlson heater and Bowen water heater
>
> ....
> I also took the burner and thermocouple off the Bowen. I cleaned it up as best
> I could and reinstalled it. I noticed that when I held the knob in the pilot
> position, against the spring loaded resistance with the pilot lit, eventually
> the spring resistance would dissappear and the knob would stay in that
> position without me holding it there. At this point the gas valve would open
> and the burner would light.
>
> Is this normal? Should I be happy that it works at all?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> C
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:31:07 GMT
From: "maych@xxxxxxxxxx.net" <maych@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #86
I had a 1970 model with the same problem, I solved mine by breaking out the inside window,
this must be done carefully, first I removed the plastic shroud around the glass, using an
electric drill I started drilling a 1/8" hole at the bottom corner of the inside glass,
drill at a low speed, the drill is used to weaken the glass at that spot, the drilling will
take some time because they are not made to drill glass, the drill will make an indentation
in the glass, using a center punch with a point smaller than the hole tap lightly until the
glass shatters, be careful of flying glass. after glass is cleaned up I used caulking to fill
the gap between the remaining glass and frame, after caulking dries replace the plastic shroud.
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:37:42 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:Mexican travel
The smell? Did I win?
Tom
From: "Jim Clark" <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re:Mexican travel
> At 12:45 AM 12/4/2004, you wrote:
>>I wouldn't travel
>>through any of the areas where drug trafficking is the primary industry
>
>
> How do you tell which areas are to be avoided???
>
> Jim
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Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 07:46:02 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
Patti,
Looks great, hope we can see it in person someday.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
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Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
> Thanks to Tom and all his help, I've put a few photo's of Pearl on his
> site. Again with Tom's help, I'm trying to add some description along
> with the pictures, should be up soon. It's hard to appreciate the work
> done without seeing the before photo's so I'm going to try to have my
> hard copy pictures made digital.
>
> Patti
>
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:58:29 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
Bill,
Believe me, Patti's vintage ?Airstream looks a lot "cooler" up close and
personal. It is all in the details and the vintage "stuff" Patti has been
able to get working again for her little slice of Heaven is really
appreciated in person.
Can you see that old toaster on the kitchen counter? That's from the 50's
and I think she rewired it and it works like or better than new, and
certainly IS better quality than the junk we buy today in comparison.
All I can say is: "Patti, I WANT your wheels" but I'll leave you the
trailer." (I wish)
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Pearl's Photo's
> Patti,
>
> Looks great, hope we can see it in person someday.
>
> Bill Kerfoot
> WBCCI/VAC #5223
> 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
> 1977 Lincoln Continental
> 1979 23' Airstream Safari
> Orange, CA
>
> http://www.tompatterson.com/VALgallery/index.php?action=displaycat&catid=21
>
> Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Tom and all his help, I've put a few photo's of Pearl on his
>> site. Again with Tom's help, I'm trying to add some description along
>> with the pictures, should be up soon. It's hard to appreciate the work
>> done without seeing the before photo's so I'm going to try to have my
>> hard copy pictures made digital.
>>
>> Patti
>>
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:11:40 -0700
From: "Forrest Mcclure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: window question
Hello everyone,
I took myself off list earlier this year, but being stranded at home by
winter thought I'd get back on.
I'm late getting into the window question, but can tell you for certain that
Airstream tempered glass windows were introduced with the 1966 models. From
'66 through '68 the glass was "Corning AS-2 solid 5H Chemically tempered m1
safety plate," and starting in 1969 Airstream began using safety laminate.
This doesn't mean that your trailers from the '70's all have tempered or
laminate safety glass because previous owners may have replaced them with
something less, and your front wrap around windows may be plastic. That I do
not know. Although I do not own a '70's model, I recently examined the
original windows on a 1970 Tradewind, and on each pane of glass, in the
lower left or right corner I could read that it was a safety laminated
glass. I wish I'd written down exactly what it said, but I am satisfied that
safety laminate is OEM. Also, being a safety laminate, the inner and outer
layers are tempered glass with a film of plastic inbetween.
This topic has come up on the list before, but the consensus seems to be
that prior to 1966 the glass used was a single strength (3/32" thick) flat
float glass, the same as you can get from nearly any hardware store. Repair
shops may well be reluctant to replace broken windows from that earlier era
with OEM because of Federal transpotation regulations. However, this may
just be an excuse - I doubt the regulations are retroactive. Instead, I bet
repair shops replace glass with plastic for liability reasons, and because
it is simply easier and safer to work with.
Forrest
WBCCI #2761
'66 Globetrotter & '66 Overlander
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From: "MJ Worner" <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: window question
> Tom,
>
> I'll have to check out my '75 and '76 trailers and see if it had started
> by then. I know when I needed a window in my '57 Bubble the repair shop
> used Lexan to eliminate the time required to have a piece the proper
> size tempered. Apparently that is now a requirement, even though it is
> now illegal in most states to ride in the trailer. Surprisingly, back
> in the '70s it was only illegal in 3 states, IIRC there is only 1 or 2
> states now where it's legal.
>
> Now that I think of it, my '75 Santa Fe had plate glass, our dog broke
> her way out one time (presumably) rather than mess in the trailer.
>
> The window tint film is a good idea.
>
> By the way, I see you have a '73, Scott, not a '69. My bad.
>
>
> Wonder when they switched to tempered...
>
>
> Matt
> Photos of the fleet at: http://community.webshots.com/user/wornmatt
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> > Matt,
> >
> > The windows on our 1969 Intl Ambassador are NOT tempered glass, they
> > were not tempered back then or farther back.
> >
> > The BEST thing anyone can do is to ADD window tint to the inside of
> > your glass which will keep it in place for the most part if it ever
> > breaks -- and they do now and then.
> >
> <snip>
>
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:56:24 -0500
From: "Jake" <jakeman2@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Trailer brochure's
Hi All: I'm trying to find a link to vintage floor plans & brochures for my 74
Argosy . I've been there once ,but can't find my way back I was sure it was a
link on the factory site . I can't seem to find it there anymore . If anyone
knows could you please send it to me . Thanks Jake
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Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:42:06 +0000
From: c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer brochure's
Is this what your looking for? good luck,
http://www.airstream.net/members/documents/
Regards,
Chuck & Lynn
1965 Overlander
1960 Tradwind Int.
1949 Airstream Liner
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> Hi All: I'm trying to find a link to vintage floor plans & brochures for my 74
> Argosy . I've been there once ,but can't find my way back I was sure it was a
> link on the factory site . I can't seem to find it there anymore . If anyone
> knows could you please send it to me . Thanks Jake
>
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:15:03 -0500
From: "Jake" <jakeman2@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Trailer brochure's
No It was a site that had all the info just like the year it was sold .It
was like looking at a brand new version of my exact trailer ,but thanks for
trying . Jake
> Is this what your looking for? good luck,
>
> http://www.airstream.net/members/documents/
> Regards,
> Chuck & Lynn
> 1965 Overlander
> 1960 Tradwind Int.
> 1949 Airstream Liner
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
>> Hi All: I'm trying to find a link to vintage floor plans & brochures for
>> my 74
>> Argosy . I've been there once ,but can't find my way back I was sure it
>> was a
>> link on the factory site . I can't seem to find it there anymore . If
>> anyone
>> knows could you please send it to me . Thanks Jake
>>
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