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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Re: toilet gasket
[VAL] Re: Hum
Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
[VAL] Cargo shifting: Shell Oil Map
Re: [VAL] Cargo shifting: Stove grate clips
Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
Re: [VAL] Re: Hum
[VAL] 1951 Silver Streak toilet
Re: [VAL] 1951 Silver Streak toilet
[VAL] Awning Question
[VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
Re: [VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
Re: [VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:09:39 -0800
From: RJ Dial <radiodial@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: toilet gasket
I think what confuses most is that an RV toilet is very similar to its
housebound cousins, but different in some aspects.
See the images here:
http://www.vintageairstream.com/rr_topics_toilet.html
You can see the old toilets used a big honkin' seal and the newer ones come
with a smaller seal that mimics a wax ring seal. I guess the idea is that
an RV toilet is subjected to a wide range of temperature extremes that could
affect the paraffin wax seal. As you can see in the pictures, nothing would
prevent you from sticking a wax ring seal on the toilet pipe - it would mate
right down onto the flange.
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
'65 Caravel
'56 Flying Cloud
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>
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:30:28 -0600
> From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] toilet gasket
>
> In the 2001 RV catalog here by the computer I see three gaskets in the
> same column. One foam rubber, two wax. The wax come with and
> without a center polyethylene sleeve.
>
> The rubber is listed as CP Products, 9/16" thick foam rubber. CP #02125. In
> this Byerely RV catalog its their catalog number 20676 and they ask $2.99.
> 800-876-2627 From catalog edition #0157. Whether they actually have it, I
> don't know and they are 400 miles from here so I can't handily drop in and
> check. They also have other gaskets for specific toilets that may not
> connect to the standard closet flange.
>
> I have no interest in the place, just picked up a catalog three years ago,
> it find useful things in it at times.
>
> Gerald J.
>
> - --
> Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
> Reproduction by permission only.
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:17:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Duane Middlebrook <middledn@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Hum
"Most battery chargers add some AC ripple depending on the battery to
clean it up enough for most uses. Radios are most sensitive to that
ripple.
The classic Univolt also has an acoustical hum that annoys many,
especially when its under their bed at night."
Thanks, Dr. J.! this must be the problem. The coach doesn't have a battery!
Having read about potential bad interactions between the Univolt and batteries,
I wasn't in a hurry to fix this and put it on the spring fix-up projects list.
The ground wire doesn't have a terminal post connector, and the slide-out
battery tray is broken.
The Univolt acoustical hum doesn't bother me. The Univolt is in the bottom of
the bathroom closet, so I keep the sliding bathroom door closed.
Are there any additional ill effects of operating the Univolt without a battery?
Does anyone know what battery group size fits in the Argosy battery compartment?
Duane Middlebrook
76 Argosy 24
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:02:31 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
All,
To all who kindly responded to my call for toilet gasket help, a great
big thanks.
The item, a Closet Flange Seal, is ordered and winging its way to me as
I type this. With that last critical part, I can at last reinstall my
Thetford toilet and come out of the closet once and for all. ; - )
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:47:36 -0700
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
>
> You can get a replacement at Marksrv.com - don't use a household ring - not
> needed and it will make a mess.
>
> Ken
>
> At 02:41 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I have my vintage Thetford Aqua-Magic Model #70 on the workbench and am
>> going through it.
>>
>> The 35-year old rubber seal that joins the bottom of it to the hole in
>> the floor is pretty much shot. It appears to be a form of black, closed
>> cell foam, 7" in diameter with a 3 3/4" hole in the center and two 1/4"
>> holes for the bronze mounting bolts. A call to Thetford resulted in zip.
>> The woman there didn't even know what I was talking about.
>>
>> Is this a standard item that I might find at a large RV supplier or am I
>> going to have to improvise? All ideas and suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Glyn
>>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:12:20 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Cargo shifting: Shell Oil Map
All,
Today I have a silly little item to pass on to others. It's a well
loved 1969 Eastern United States road map in passable condition with a trip
marked by the original owner from Sudbury, Ontario, Canada to Fort
Lauderdale, Florida. Or is it from Fort Lauderdale to Sudbury?
In any event, if you think this would be a nice addition to your vintage
Airstream, it's yours just for the asking IF you're the first to ask. This
is such a small item, I'll even cover the postage.
Respond and I'll email you back for your postal address, that's it!
Good luck,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:17:27 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo shifting: Stove grate clips
All,
I have a set of six used (I wire brushed them clean) stove grate clips
for someone who might need them for their Airstream.
If you're the first to respond, I'll send them your way and even cover
the postage.
Good luck,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:35:08 EST
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
Glyn: I haven't been following this whole thread. Where did you end up
getting your part and what was the specific part #. I will need the same
part...soon I think.
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:42:51 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
Tom.
I took the numbers that Gerald supplied shown below.
The rubber is listed as CP Products, 9/16" thick foam rubber. CP #02125.
In this Byerely RV catalog its their catalog number 20676 and they ask
$2.99. 800-876-2627 From catalog edition #0157. Whether they actually have
it, I don't know and they are 400 miles from here so I can't handily drop in
and check. They also have other gaskets for specific toilets that may not
connect to the standard closet flange.
The translation is: P/N 20676, shoe'nuf 9/16" thick, priced at $2.99 by
calling 800.876.2627. They took my Visa card and charged me $7.75 to ship
from Visalia CA but have warehouses all over the country.
Glyn
> From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:35:08 EST
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet gasket.
>
> Glyn: I haven't been following this whole thread. Where did you end up
> getting your part and what was the specific part #. I will need the same
> part...soon I think.
>
> Tom Fairbank
> 1969 Tradewind
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:10:31 -0800
From: "JimW" <jjw@ttc-cmc.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Hum
You might be getting some radio frequency harmonics off that old Univolt.
It's a lot of history. The other week I was looking at a power transformer
that was driving some halogen lights in the kitchen. My wife unplugged it
and the wall wart fell apart causing it to blow a fuse. I really never
thought much about it before, but that little box was putting out 5 amps at
12 volts. The usuall big wart maxes out at about .5 amps. I got on the net
to find out how they do this. The new technology is a switching power
supply that opperates at a frequency above human hearing. I think most run
at 30000 Hz. The high frequency makes them small and very efficient. Might
be time to look at an upgrade.
You did not say if you are on AM or FM. I ripped the ferrite cores out of
about 6 AM radios, and made an antenna that is very selective. It filters
out a lot of the dirty electricity we have around here. I just used the
right amount of windings with a tuning capacitor.
I don't have any answers for you, but this new tchnology (at least for me)
is very interesting. I'm trying to filter one to run a motorola bag phone,
but I have not had much luck. There is a soft start circuitry that seems to
make it not work with a 3W phone. Just guessing. Most of the new laptops
are using the new transformers. These transformers are capable of many more
amps.
Jim
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Duane Middlebrook" <middledn@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "VAL" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re: Hum
> "Most battery chargers add some AC ripple depending on the battery to
> clean it up enough for most uses. Radios are most sensitive to that
> ripple.
> The classic Univolt also has an acoustical hum that annoys many,
> especially when its under their bed at night."
>
> Thanks, Dr. J.! this must be the problem. The coach doesn't have a
battery! Having read about potential bad interactions between the Univolt
and batteries, I wasn't in a hurry to fix this and put it on the spring
fix-up projects list. The ground wire doesn't have a terminal post
connector, and the slide-out battery tray is broken.
>
> The Univolt acoustical hum doesn't bother me. The Univolt is in the
bottom of the bathroom closet, so I keep the sliding bathroom door closed.
>
> Are there any additional ill effects of operating the Univolt without a
battery? Does anyone know what battery group size fits in the Argosy
battery compartment?
>
> Duane Middlebrook
> 76 Argosy 24
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:47:28 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] 1951 Silver Streak toilet
I had a question as to what the original toilet in a 1951 Silver Streak might
have looked like.
There is a picture of a folding toilet in a 1951 Silver Streak Clipper at :
http://www.airstream.dk/1951%20Silver%20Streak%2022%20-%20toalet.jpg.
Does anyone know if this was original?
- -Tom
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:01:45 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1951 Silver Streak toilet
This doesn't answer the question, however, there is a toilet from a '51
Spartan Manor on Ebay now. #2287556157
Jim
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Vintage Airstream List" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: [VAL] 1951 Silver Streak toilet
>I had a question as to what the original toilet in a 1951 Silver Streak
>might
> have looked like.
>
> There is a picture of a folding toilet in a 1951 Silver Streak Clipper at
> :
> http://www.airstream.dk/1951%20Silver%20Streak%2022%20-%20toalet.jpg.
>
> Does anyone know if this was original?
>
> -Tom
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:03:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Awning Question
Hello All,
I was thinking how nice my 63 Globetrotter would look with a nice Zip Dee
awning. Then I started thinking how many days I'd be eating tuna fish until
it was paid for.
How much does one of those things cost anyway? Is there a source for a used
one?
Thanks!
Courtney
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:03:04 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
All,
I'd love to access the space beneath and aft of my curbside pullout
berth more easily and to that end, it occurred to me to find a used access
door and install it. The problem is that it would have to be located right
on the rib at the end cap, what I understand to be a no-no. There's not
enough room to move forward without hitting the wheel well or I'd do that.
Hey, these Caravels are tiny.
Then I was cruising the Vintage Airstream Photo Archives and ran across
this 1971 Caravel.
http://www.vintageairstream.com/archives2/71Caravel/1971Caravel%202/index.ht
ml
Note the outside access door.....right on the end cap seam. Isn't there
a rib there? Did these models have gussets added for strength? Couldn't I
do the same thing on my '69? Also note the next two larger models. They
also have a access doors in the same place.
Thoughts anyone?
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:31:20 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
Hi Glyn:'
When I redid Bubbles, which already had a rear hatch that opened
into the dead space under the then-existing rear bed - I walled off
that area to product a outside access only storage space. Since it was
walled off completely from the interior, I can stow sticky stuff like
fishing waders & boots, utility items like jack stands and hoses and I
even have a small ladder in there. And a nifty little florescent light.
I'll send you some pics. Perhaps you can do something similar?
Jo Ann
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:51:00 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
If the rib ends at the frame for the door, the frame takes the load and
passes it down to the floor level. Actually, the door frame is probably
stronger than the rib by itself.
You'd need to see what you wanted to cut out of the skin, where or what
you'd need to cut out of the rib if not remove the end of the rib all
together, then build in the door frame so it takes the downward load from
the rib. The entire opening will then be stronger once the door itself is
installed.
To paint you a better picture, it's like installing a window in a solid wall
that has studs placed every 16" on center and your window opening is 24"
wide, therefore you'd be cutting into 2 studs and building the strength back
into the original design.
See?
Easy! ;))
By the way, of course you'd NEVER drive the Airstream with a hole in the
side so that the rib end flexes in the breeze! You'd need to complete this
job once you began cutting out material.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: [VAL] Weakening a rib for want of a door.
> All,
>
> I'd love to access the space beneath and aft of my curbside pullout
> berth more easily and to that end, it occurred to me to find a used access
> door and install it. The problem is that it would have to be located
> right
> on the rib at the end cap, what I understand to be a no-no. There's not
> enough room to move forward without hitting the wheel well or I'd do that.
> Hey, these Caravels are tiny.
>
> Then I was cruising the Vintage Airstream Photo Archives and ran across
> this 1971 Caravel.
> http://www.vintageairstream.com/archives2/71Caravel/1971Caravel%202/index.ht
> ml
>
> Note the outside access door.....right on the end cap seam. Isn't
> there
> a rib there? Did these models have gussets added for strength? Couldn't
> I
> do the same thing on my '69? Also note the next two larger models. They
> also have a access doors in the same place.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> Glyn Judson
> 1969 Caravel #508
> Santa Monica CA
>
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