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VAL Digest Thursday, November 18 2004 Volume 02 : Number 070
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
RE: [VAL] Removing Ghost Numbers
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts and valve stems
[VAL] Re: Carlson heater and Bowen water heater
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
[VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
Re: [VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
RE: [VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts and valve stems
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
[VAL] Moving trailer from TX to Washington
Re: [VAL] Moving trailer from TX to Washington
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:46:29 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
John,
That is the "same" thing that happen to me. Though I had three go bad.
I "always" check air pressure, wheel bearing, etc.... I had one blowout
on I-81 in Virginia. It ws at night and by the time I knew what happen all I
had left of the
one tire was about 3 inches of sidewall.
Like I say, I've ran the Carisle "Sure Trail" load range "D" all over the
north and south east (PA/NY roads REAL bad, loose a car in the potholes)
and have never (not on wood) had a problem. Leaving on Thurs. for
a run from VA to Macon, GA onto Boca Raton, FL and back.
Paul
>
> Beware of Goodyear Marathons
>
> I bought an enclosed car hauler two years ago with Goodyear Marathon D
rated
> tires. Goodyear told me that my tires were not subject to recall, but two
orf
> the 4 have blown out within 100 miles, a 3rd had been replaced due to a
nail
> picked up. I wasnt going to chance the 4th, so I now have Titan tires on
the
> trailer and will never go back to Goodyear. The tires blowing out were
less
> than two years old and had maybe a little over 5000 miles on them.
>
> John -- Atlanta
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:18:14 EST
From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
In a message dated 11/17/2004 12:36:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com writes:
> What recall? When was that?
>
> Tom
>
Goodyear has had a recall on Marathons. I do niot know what sizes and years
were involved. I had searched online to get info about the recall and a phone
number. I called and had to provide tire serial number, but was told my
tires were fine. Two blowouts later, I beg to differ.
John
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:47:26 -0500
From: "Brian Brown" <BBrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
I have been in the Auto industry for over 20 years.Constantly, the tire
manufactures refuse to warranty defective tires. We just write them off and
figure it is part of the cost of doing business. luckily there's not alot of
them.
Brian B
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Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
> In a message dated 11/17/2004 12:36:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com writes:
>
> > What recall? When was that?
> >
> > Tom
> >
>
> Goodyear has had a recall on Marathons. I do niot know what sizes and
years
> were involved. I had searched online to get info about the recall and a
phone
> number. I called and had to provide tire serial number, but was told my
> tires were fine. Two blowouts later, I beg to differ.
>
> John
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:00:18 -0500
From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Removing Ghost Numbers
Jim; WD40 has been suggested as a means of removing the "shadow" of the
old numbers, also compounding with automotive polish compound will also
get rid of the shadow. Bob Cornute WBCCI & VAC '77 31' International
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 7:04 PM
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Subject: [VAL] Removing Ghost Numbers
How short of sanding do you remove the ghost numbers after the numbers
have
been removed I want to put on my new Old English numbers and want to get
rid of
all traces of the old.
Jim Smith
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:34:51 EST
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I called
the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in Akron,
Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:29:43 -0500
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Hi All,
I've had Goodyear's on my Argosy for 2 years and put about 8K miles on them.
Always keep the pressure between 50 and 60 pounds. Never a problem! I tow
between 55 and 70 mph when necessary. The Firestone tires on my Ford truck
are sound as I keep the pressure as recommended by the manufacturer. If I
towed much at night, I'd opt for air pressure sensors in the tires.
I tried Carlisle's and the 4 new tires are on a shelf in my garage. The
Carlisle are a full inch larger in diameter than the Goodyear. Meaning that
the Carlisle drag against the wheel well! :( For either brand, I read the
manufacture code and assured myself that the tires were less than 3 months
from manufacture.
I know that some haul the trailer with low tire pressure to soften the ride.
Seems like the Ford Explorer low pressure tires all over again. Experienced
service persons might set the tires up with low pressure and send the owner
on his way. Best to recheck the tire pressure on your own.
If tires fail within 100 miles, it seems that something is drastically
wrong. Wrong air pressure, over weight in the trailer, combined with
excessive speed?
Might be all wet, but these are my experiences and I'm happy with Goodyear
Marathons!
'74 Argosy 22, Joy
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:31:10 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Thank you. I will check the tires on my 34' Excella FK.
Also, is everyone *aware* that above certain tire pressures you NEED to have
METAL tire stems rather than rubber ones?
I believe that somewhere I read something like IF your tire pressures are
above 65 PSI you need metal tire stems. Seems that the rubber tire stems
max out at 65 PSI and could actually blow out of the wheel causing a rapid
loss of air pressure.
Anyone know about this issue?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: <JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
>I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I
>called
> the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in
> Akron,
> Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
> rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
> jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:18:38 -0600
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts and valve stems
This is exactly what I encountered and reported back about a year ago.
Since this time several others have had the same type of failure (ie
catastrophic, sudden valve stem failure). After a blowout, few people would
think to investigate if the stem or tire was at fault as the end result is
the same (and the tire typically gets blamed). The "D" rated Marathons for
instance are recommended by AIRSTREAM to be run at 65PSI on the 19' Bambi
and the larger tandem setups (interestingly, the recent model, 19' Bambi has
the highest per tire wheel loading of any A/S). But Airstream continues to
use rubber stems rated at 65PSI. Having installed tire pressure monitors on
our A/S after the valve stem failure, I can tell you that with a cold
pressure inflation of 65PSI, the tire pressure increases to 71 to 72 PSI at
highway temps. If you run tires at 50PSI or so, the rubber stems are
adequate but at 65PSI, it does not take a rocket scientist to see the
problem. After the valve stem failure, I had the remaining tire pulled and
sure enough, the same wear pattern on the stem was present (flexing where it
enters the rim). It was only a matter of time until the other stem would
have failed as well. As reported the "D" rated Marathons did have a recall
due to sidewall failure. The new, totally redesigned Marathons have a
circle S on the sidewall to indicate the new design. The sidewalls are now
4 full plys and the tread is 6 full plys as well as other improvement. The
fact that many "D" rated Marathons have been reported to fail is interesting
in that ONLY the "D" rated version supports or recommends 65PSI running
pressures, so the "C" rated version with rubber stem would most likely never
see this type of failure, nor would "D" rated tires running with a lighter
load not requiring 65PSI.
Everyone should know the ACTUAL weight of their loaded A/S and ensure that
the tires on the trailer are inflated to a pressure recommended by the
manufacturer as adequate to carry the per tire loading (pressure vs loading
charts are available at manufacturers websites). Running a tire
underinflated causes it to run hot and will ultimately cause premature tire
failure, typically in the sidewall.
It is interesting that Airstream actually assured a good friend prior to the
delivery of his new '05 28CCD that the larger Airstreams all came with metal
stems and that would include his model, but when it arrived, it had the same
65PSI rubber stems, same tires/wheels and recommended cold inflation
recommendation as our 19' Bambi. He contacted A/S and they indicated to
have the stems switched to metal and they would reimburse. When the
Airstream dealer did the switch to metal stems, A/S then refused to
reimburse. I suspect some lawyer in A/S advised against reimbursement after
the fact as it was an admission of neglect. Metal stems only cost $2 a
piece and the in the case of my friend, the entire cost of removal,
refitting metal stems, rebalancing and remounting was around $25, so a small
cost and inexpensive insurance. BTW, my friend also installed tire pressure
monitors on his 28CCD after having the metal stem installed and he too is
finding the operating pressures increase to just over 70 PSI at highway
speeds.
Regardless of the cost of tires, stems, etc, just remember that the tires
are a fraction of the value of trailer riding on them not to mention the
potential for an accident involving the people in the tow vehicle or in
vehicles that might be near the trailer under tow.
David Tidmore
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Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Thank you. I will check the tires on my 34' Excella FK.
Also, is everyone *aware* that above certain tire pressures you NEED to have
METAL tire stems rather than rubber ones?
I believe that somewhere I read something like IF your tire pressures are
above 65 PSI you need metal tire stems. Seems that the rubber tire stems
max out at 65 PSI and could actually blow out of the wheel causing a rapid
loss of air pressure.
Anyone know about this issue?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: <JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
>I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I
>called
> the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in
> Akron,
> Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
> rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
> jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:04:14 -0800
From: RJ Dial <radiodial@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Carlson heater and Bowen water heater
For the Bowen, that is likely the pilot thermocouple. Here is a picture -
these things are available from almost anywhere, from RV dealers, to
commercial parts houses (like Grainger), or a small appliance parts dealers.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611760728
l
For the Carlson, if the pilot is staying lit, and it is the main burner
turning off, that narrows it down to the temp regulation section, usually a
hydraulic (bulb) thermocouple or an external thermostat problem. An
external control thermostat may be of the milli-volt style or can be
electrically controlled. I didn't think any of the Carlson's were external
- - they were all self-contained, self-regulating, but someone may have
modified it too. Troubleshooting a 'turning off' problem is easier than a
'not turning on' or 'won't shut off' problem.
You've done the right thing, removing it and getting it on the bench. While
there give it a thorough cleaning and inspection. Look for rusted burner
cans & flues, leaking or damaged lines, and LPG goo in the intake, lines or
mixing chamber of the regulator, Check the pilot filter too. If residue is
found in any, then disassembly and a cleaning of the regulator is in order.
Carb cleaner works the best. Be very careful of any gaskets and little
parts. You lose or damage them, you're out'a luck.
It is wise to make it work first on the bench, using a propane tank and a
barbecue regulator and hose. They come with a standard 5/8" flared female
fitting that will mate up to most RV LPG appliances.
In your case, I'd look for a set of screw terminals on the gas control
(besides the 2 for the pilot, if used). If you have them, then you have an
external thermostat control if you don't have a tiny tube that goes to an
external copper bulb. Another way to tell is if the temp control knob on
the regulator is marked for some kind of temperature control increments. If
you have thermocouple bulb type regulation, then it's just a matter of
making sure the tube to it is not blocked with goo, and that the fitting is
tight. It works by increasing air pressure against a diaphragm in the
control body as it warms up.
Back to your possible electrical type. Without anything connected to it,
the burner will just burn forever. A little solenoid in the control body is
activated by the external thermostat. I you have a Robertshaw style
milli-volt control, an external thermostat will just have two wires coming
out of it, and they attach to the gas control valve terminals. If you have
a more conventional system, much like a house thermostat, then there will 2
additional wires supplying low-voltage to the thermostat. You are on your
own figuring out which you have - make sure before proceeding to any other
troubleshooting other than simply replacing the thermostat with a like kind,
or isolating it down to the thermostat with the wide open test mentioned
above. You can wreck a milli-volt solenoid by applying voltage to the
terminals.
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
'65 Caravel
'56 Flying Cloud
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:15:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re-joining after a long absence...need advice! - Carlson
> heater and Bowen water heater
>
> Thanks for the replies and advice guys.
>
> I checked the flu on the Carlson. It's clean as a whistle. I decided to do
> what I do best: dismantle.
>
> With much swearing, I finally pried the furnace from the place it had occupied
> since 1963. I had to cut the gas line so I could slide the unit out. Once I
> had the thing apart out in the sunshine, everything looked pretty good. I was
> going to bring it home and try to test it on my workbench...then I checked my
> email.
>
> Herb, I wish you had replied sooner. I was running the furnace with the pilot
> door open. Could that really be the culprit? When this thing shut off I heard
> a distinct click. It seemed to me to be a mechanical shut off, not just the
> pilot blowing out.
>
> Should I fiddle with it now that it's out. or re-install it (with more
> swearing) and try it with the pilot door closed?
>
> Also, where can I get a thermo-coupler for the Bowen? Is it that skinny copper
> wire that goes from the gas control box into where you light the pilot?
>
> Thanks again...I'm not going to touch the water heater until I read my email
> tomorrow!
>
> Courtney
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:16:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
- --- Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> John,
>
> That is the "same" thing that happen to me. Though I
> had three go bad.
> I "always" check air pressure, wheel bearing,
> etc.... I had one blowout
> on I-81 in Virginia. It ws at night and by the time
> I knew what happen all I
> had left of the
> one tire was about 3 inches of sidewall.
>
> Like I say, I've ran the Carisle "Sure Trail" load
> range "D" all over the
> north and south east (PA/NY roads REAL bad, loose a
> car in the potholes)
> and have never (not on wood) had a problem. Leaving
> on Thurs. for
> a run from VA to Macon, GA onto Boca Raton, FL and
> back.
>
> Paul
>
> >
> > Beware of Goodyear Marathons
> >
> > I bought an enclosed car hauler two years ago with
> Goodyear Marathon D
> rated
> > tires. Goodyear told me that my tires were not
> subject to recall, but two
> orf
> > the 4 have blown out within 100 miles, a 3rd had
> been replaced due to a
> nail
> > picked up. I wasnt going to chance the 4th, so I
> now have Titan tires on
> the
> > trailer and will never go back to Goodyear. The
> tires blowing out were
> less
> > than two years old and had maybe a little over
> 5000 miles on them.
> >
> > John -- Atlanta
I own both - GoodYear Marathons on my 1971 Tradewind,
and Carlisle Sure Trails on my 1963 Overlander. I have
worked extensively on the running gear of trailers to
get wheels/drums balanced and to replace axles and
brakes. My findings: Carlisles are close to impossible
to balance. The tires are made with very little care ,
so no matter what you do, it takes over 8 ounces on
each rim ( tried original steel rims as well as light
weight alloy wheels) to get the tire/wheel to be in
balance. Add another 8 to balance the brake drum.
The Goodyears, although not perfect, balanced with
appr. 1-2 oz, on the same rims. I happen to believe
strongly in having a closely balanced rotating
assembly. ( Drum/hub, tire/rim)
It is always difficult to tell what destroyed a
trailer tire. At the end, you pull over and have
shreds. What caused it? Hard to tell if it's tire
failure, valve stem failure, puncture or just simply a
poorly made tire. Look around at campgrounds - I
believe that a large portion of tire failures is
operator negligence.
I have taken reasonable care of my tires, and never
had a problem yet, not even towing on gravel roads in
Mexico, or even worse, concrete freeways around Los
Angeles. One of the patricipants in the last Baja
California caravan lost a tire on his Excella on the
way back, due to separation. Those were not Marathons,
but an Asian brand that slipped my mind right now.
My experiance with Goodyear tires has been a favorable
one so far. I would buy them again.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:13:17 EST
From: Imp67cc64@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
In a message dated 11/17/2004 9:44:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
> If tires fail within 100 miles, it seems that something is drastically
> wrong. Wrong air pressure, over weight in the trailer, combined with
> excessive speed?
>
Joy,
I think you misunderstood my prior text. My marathons had approx 5000 miles
on them and two tires, front and rear on opposite sides, totally blew out
within 100 miles of each other. The first tire went about 30 miles from home
coming in from a trip, and the next went about a month later going out on the
next trip, approx 70 miles out.
John
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:16:29 -0800
From: "MK / JS" <sn2244@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
Just had a look at the vintage Airstream on Arlen and Shirley Manning's
website. http://home.att.net/~globetrotter64/index.htm
Fabulous photos, gorgeous trailer. Fantastic website, too.
Wow - what a beautiful polishing job.
QUESTION - were the trailers as shiney from the factory as the way this one
appears now?
(Note - I am not intending to discredit the Manning's lovely restoration, I
am simply curious about vintage Airstreams)
Thx.
Marg
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:16:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
- --- MK / JS <sn2244@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
> Just had a look at the vintage Airstream on Arlen
> and Shirley Manning's
> website.
> http://home.att.net/~globetrotter64/index.htm
>
> Fabulous photos, gorgeous trailer. Fantastic
> website, too.
>
> Wow - what a beautiful polishing job.
>
> QUESTION - were the trailers as shiney from the
> factory as the way this one
> appears now?
>
> (Note - I am not intending to discredit the
> Manning's lovely restoration, I
> am simply curious about vintage Airstreams)
>
> Thx.
> Marg
Marg,
The skin was not polished to a high gloss, but had a
look similar to that found on nice stainless steel
appliances. Perhaps with a bit more of a reflective
quality than stainless steel.
you can see yourself in the reflection, but the shine
is not deep, like on a highly polished trailer.
Actually, look at a brand new Airstream, and you will
get a pretty good idea of what the old ones looked
like when they were new. The material is almost
identical. ( Alclad Aluminum)
Uwe Salwender
Orange CA
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:15:27 -0600
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
Greetings Marg!
I have posted some photos of my '64 Overlander with an OEM style polish
job with new Plasticoat. P and S Trailer Service of Helena, Ohio
polished and Platsticoated the coach, and my request was for a degree of
shine approximating the original '64 finish. I was not disappointed as
the coach appears today much as it did the first time that I saw it back
in 1964 when it was new and I was five years old getting ready for my
first camping trip with friends of my family who owned the coach. You
can see these photos as well as the before photos at:
http://www.airstreamforums.com/photos/showgallery.php/cat/500/page/6/sor
t/1/perpage/12/ppuser/827
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of MK / JS
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:16 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] how shiney were the vintage trailers originally
QUESTION - were the trailers as shiney from the factory as the way this
one
appears now?
Thx.
Marg
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:18:23 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts and valve stems
David,
Thank you for this report. I do seem to recall seeing the 'S' inside of a
circle on the sidewalls of the tires on our 34' Excella FK.
However, I also seem to recall that ALL 6 tires have the RUBBER stems -- and
that the tires ARE inflated to 65 PSI.
I WILL be replacing those rubber tire stems with metal ones before the
trailer ever sees the highway again.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts and valve stems
> This is exactly what I encountered and reported back about a year ago.
> Since this time several others have had the same type of failure (ie
> catastrophic, sudden valve stem failure). After a blowout, few people
> would
> think to investigate if the stem or tire was at fault as the end result is
> the same (and the tire typically gets blamed). The "D" rated Marathons
> for
> instance are recommended by AIRSTREAM to be run at 65PSI on the 19' Bambi
> and the larger tandem setups (interestingly, the recent model, 19' Bambi
> has
> the highest per tire wheel loading of any A/S). But Airstream continues
> to
> use rubber stems rated at 65PSI. Having installed tire pressure monitors
> on
> our A/S after the valve stem failure, I can tell you that with a cold
> pressure inflation of 65PSI, the tire pressure increases to 71 to 72 PSI
> at
> highway temps. If you run tires at 50PSI or so, the rubber stems are
> adequate but at 65PSI, it does not take a rocket scientist to see the
> problem. After the valve stem failure, I had the remaining tire pulled
> and
> sure enough, the same wear pattern on the stem was present (flexing where
> it
> enters the rim). It was only a matter of time until the other stem would
> have failed as well. As reported the "D" rated Marathons did have a
> recall
> due to sidewall failure. The new, totally redesigned Marathons have a
> circle S on the sidewall to indicate the new design. The sidewalls are
> now
> 4 full plys and the tread is 6 full plys as well as other improvement.
> The
> fact that many "D" rated Marathons have been reported to fail is
> interesting
> in that ONLY the "D" rated version supports or recommends 65PSI running
> pressures, so the "C" rated version with rubber stem would most likely
> never
> see this type of failure, nor would "D" rated tires running with a lighter
> load not requiring 65PSI.
>
> Everyone should know the ACTUAL weight of their loaded A/S and ensure that
> the tires on the trailer are inflated to a pressure recommended by the
> manufacturer as adequate to carry the per tire loading (pressure vs
> loading
> charts are available at manufacturers websites). Running a tire
> underinflated causes it to run hot and will ultimately cause premature
> tire
> failure, typically in the sidewall.
>
> It is interesting that Airstream actually assured a good friend prior to
> the
> delivery of his new '05 28CCD that the larger Airstreams all came with
> metal
> stems and that would include his model, but when it arrived, it had the
> same
> 65PSI rubber stems, same tires/wheels and recommended cold inflation
> recommendation as our 19' Bambi. He contacted A/S and they indicated to
> have the stems switched to metal and they would reimburse. When the
> Airstream dealer did the switch to metal stems, A/S then refused to
> reimburse. I suspect some lawyer in A/S advised against reimbursement
> after
> the fact as it was an admission of neglect. Metal stems only cost $2 a
> piece and the in the case of my friend, the entire cost of removal,
> refitting metal stems, rebalancing and remounting was around $25, so a
> small
> cost and inexpensive insurance. BTW, my friend also installed tire
> pressure
> monitors on his 28CCD after having the metal stem installed and he too is
> finding the operating pressures increase to just over 70 PSI at highway
> speeds.
>
> Regardless of the cost of tires, stems, etc, just remember that the tires
> are a fraction of the value of trailer riding on them not to mention the
> potential for an accident involving the people in the tow vehicle or in
> vehicles that might be near the trailer under tow.
>
> David Tidmore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:31 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
>
> Thank you. I will check the tires on my 34' Excella FK.
>
> Also, is everyone *aware* that above certain tire pressures you NEED to
> have
>
> METAL tire stems rather than rubber ones?
>
> I believe that somewhere I read something like IF your tire pressures are
> above 65 PSI you need metal tire stems. Seems that the rubber tire stems
> max out at 65 PSI and could actually blow out of the wheel causing a rapid
> loss of air pressure.
>
> Anyone know about this issue?
>
> Tom
> WBCCI 5303
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
>
>
>>I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I
>>called
>> the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in
>> Akron,
>> Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
>> rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
>> jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:40:19 -0600
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Do lyou have any details on the recall?? When, what series of tire and
which range of serial #s??
I and others may have tires that meet the spec of the recall....
Jim
At 08:34 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote:
>I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I called
>the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in Akron,
>Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
>rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
>jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:31:05 -0600
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
If you have Marathons that LACK a circle S raised marking on the sidewall,
then you should contact Goodyear. If you have the circle S, then your tires
are the newer design and NOT part of the recall.
David
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:40 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Do lyou have any details on the recall?? When, what series of tire and
which range of serial #s??
I and others may have tires that meet the spec of the recall....
Jim
At 08:34 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote:
>I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I
called
>the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in
Akron,
>Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
>rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
>jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:41:39 -0600
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Thanks....
I think the time frame of this recall was about 4 years ago... I seem to
recal a lot of discussion on the list about it at the time... I was
concerned that another recall was in process...
Jim
At 05:31 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote:
>If you have Marathons that LACK a circle S raised marking on the sidewall,
>then you should contact Goodyear. If you have the circle S, then your tires
>are the newer design and NOT part of the recall.
>
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
>On Behalf Of Jim Clark
>Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:40 PM
>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
>
>Do lyou have any details on the recall?? When, what series of tire and
>which range of serial #s??
>
>I and others may have tires that meet the spec of the recall....
>
>Jim
>
>
>At 08:34 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote:
> >I went into a local Goodyear Store and was told there was no recall. I
>called
> >the public relations department at Goodyears National headquarters in
>Akron,
> >Ohio. I was informed there was a recall on the "D" rated tires. I had "C"
> >rated on my 34' trailer and did not get them replaced by Goodyear.
> >jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:54:02 -0600
From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon blowouts
Does anyone know a way I can get my Airstream from Texas to Washington
state without it costing a fortune? I have no tow vehicle, and I have
checked with moving companies like Ryder, U-Haul, and Penske, which are
waaay high, to me. Is there any company that rents pickup trucks
capable of pulling a 23 foot airstream? thanks in advance for your
help.
Cheyanne
swimming in Galveston, Tx. right now
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:06:12 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Moving trailer from TX to Washington
Washington the State -- or -- Washington the Capitol?
When I thought of towing a car with a tow hitch all the rental companies I
contacted insisted that the ONLY trailer I could pull with their truck had
to be one of THEIR own trailers.
In fact, the only company where I could find and rent a tow-dolly from was
U-Haul but their equipment leaves a lot to be desired since all their
"dealers" do their own maintenance or at least are supposed to. I walked
when I saw wires just twisted together and where they were "spliced" or
joined by twisting the wires they didn't even use wire nuts but instead just
wrapped the crappy joint with black electrical tape. Their maintenance
reminded me of something a 10 year old who didn't know what he was doing
would do.
A big part of the reason rental companies don't want you towing anything but
their trailers is two-fold I think. They know their plugs and brake
controllers will work with their trailer and truck, and they know the size
and weights of the trailers they rent and hope to keep down liability claims
as they know you won't be pulling a 40' commercial utility trailer, etc.
There are some people who make a living towing "your" trailer with "their"
trucks, and there are also others who load up your trailer on a flat-bed or
roll-back tow truck. Are these the ones you referred to as costing a
fortune?
How old is your trailer? I know it's a stretch but have you considered as a
last resort selling your trailer in TX and buying another in Washington?
This time of year people would be going South, not North so you will have
more trouble this time of year but you've probably already ran into that.
Tom
From: "Cheyanne & Randy" <bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Does anyone know a way I can get my Airstream from Texas to Washington
> state without it costing a fortune? I have no tow vehicle, and I have
> checked with moving companies like Ryder, U-Haul, and Penske, which are
> waaay high, to me. Is there any company that rents pickup trucks capable
> of pulling a 23 foot airstream? thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Cheyanne
> swimming in Galveston, Tx. right now
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:24:55 +0000
From: C-L@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Moving trailer from TX to Washington
Try this link, it has some transporters listed,
http://www.airstreamtrailers.com/index.htm
Also if you go to Vintage Trailers Plus, He list transporters, and if you write to
him in Washington State, he can let you know his experiences with shipping trailers.
He has always been very helpful to us.
http://www.vintagetrailersplus.com/
Good luck,
Cuck & Lynn
1965 Overlander
1960 Tradewind Int.
1949 Airstream
- -------------- Original message --------------
> Washington the State -- or -- Washington the Capitol?
>
> When I thought of towing a car with a tow hitch all the rental companies I
> contacted insisted that the ONLY trailer I could pull with their truck had
> to be one of THEIR own trailers.
>
> In fact, the only company where I could find and rent a tow-dolly from was
> U-Haul but their equipment leaves a lot to be desired since all their
> "dealers" do their own maintenance or at least are supposed to. I walked
> when I saw wires just twisted together and where they were "spliced" or
> joined by twisting the wires they didn't even use wire nuts but instead just
> wrapped the crappy joint with black electrical tape. Their maintenance
> reminded me of something a 10 year old who didn't know what he was doing
> would do.
>
> A big part of the reason rental companies don't want you towing anything but
> their trailers is two-fold I think. They know their plugs and brake
> controllers will work with their trailer and truck, and they know the size
> and weights of the trailers they rent and hope to keep down liability claims
> as they know you won't be pulling a 40' commercial utility trailer, etc.
>
> There are some people who make a living towing "your" trailer with "their"
> trucks, and there are also others who load up your trailer on a flat-bed or
> roll-back tow truck. Are these the ones you referred to as costing a
> fortune?
>
> How old is your trailer? I know it's a stretch but have you considered as a
> last resort selling your trailer in TX and buying another in Washington?
>
> This time of year people would be going South, not North so you will have
> more trouble this time of year but you've probably already ran into that.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> From: "Cheyanne & Randy"
>
>
> > Does anyone know a way I can get my Airstream from Texas to Washington
> > state without it costing a fortune? I have no tow vehicle, and I have
> > checked with moving companies like Ryder, U-Haul, and Penske, which are
> > waaay high, to me. Is there any company that rents pickup trucks capable
> > of pulling a 23 foot airstream? thanks in advance for your help.
> >
> > Cheyanne
> > swimming in Galveston, Tx. right now
>
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