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VAL Digest V2 #61
VAL Digest Tuesday, November 9 2004 Volume 02 : Number 061
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] Re: Extensive Work
[VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
[VAL] Transport needed
[VAL] airstream plant? (Patti's post - VAL Digest V2 #60)
[VAL] RE: Nightmare at Inland RV
Re: [VAL] Nigtmare at Inland RV
Re: [VAL] Nigtmare at Inland RV
RE: [VAL] airstream plant? (Patti's post - VAL Digest V2 #60)
[VAL] 49 Airstream Liner Available
Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
[VAL] Re: Hitches
RE: [VAL] RE: Nightmare at Inland RV
[VAL] Cargo Shifting: 1963-69 California trailer plate
[VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
[VAL] Question on AC
Re: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
Re: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
Re: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:01:27 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Extensive Work
Very interesting to hear this... thanks for sharing, Patti!
I have a 1983 310 Motorhome that a tow truck dropped. I took it to the
factory for an estimate, but didn't have time then to get the work done.
I have been to a number of other places between Ohio and California
(including Inland RV, where Andy charged me $50 for an estimate he never
provided). I have about decided that a trip back to Ohio will be the
best way to get my many dents fixed.
Best regards,
Rik
Patricia V. Raimondo wrote:
> After having taken two trailers to the A/S plant for major work I
> maintain that the only place to go to be sure the work is done
> correctly is the plant. It may not be the cheapest option but you get
> questions answered right away, an estimate of the work to be done and
> the best mechanics in the business to do the work.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:23:17 -0500
From: Chris Koehn <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
Hi Daisy et al:
The charger is only running when I am plugged in to shore power (that's
how a charger works..). And I had the battery tested (as this was my
first thought as well..) It's fine. Anyone?
Thanks,
Chris K.
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:33:43 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] living with a charge wizard
Hi Chris,
I don't see how it can be in boost mode if you are not hooked up to
shore power.
At any rate, I have never had that problem with my set up, I wonder if
your charge wizard is being cranky because your battery is tired. The
only sound I hear is the fan coming on when I'm using a fair amount of
power.
Daisy
Chris Koehn wrote:
> Hello all-
>
> This summer I replaced the Univolt in our '79 Int'l Sovereign with an
> Inellicharger with charge wizard. I'm curious about the experience of
> others with this funny little fellow. It seems as though when the
> wizard
> is in boost mode (light is on without blinking) It audibly cycles on
> and
> off roughly every 30 seconds. When it cycles on, the lights grow
> brighter; when off, they get dimmer.
>
> The charge wizard performs admirably when it's in "normal" mode-
> indicated by fast flashing. No variation in light level. But after
> we've
> boondocked for a few hours and the battery needs a bit of a charge, it
> goes back in to boost mode.
>
> Wondering if this is normal and I just need to learn to live with it,
> or...?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris K.
> #8638
> In eastern PA, headin' south soon..
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:43:24 -0800
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
First you said:
> The charge wizard performs admirably when it's in >"normal" mode-
> indicated by fast flashing. No variation >in light level. But after we've
> boondocked for a few >hours and the battery needs a bit of a charge, it
> goes >back in to boost mode.
Then you said:
>The charger is only running when I am plugged in to >shore power (that's
>how a charger works..). And I had >the battery tested (as this was my first
>thought as well..) >It's fine. Anyone?
When boondocking, and your battery gets low, the Charge Wizard will sense
that and shift into boost mode. After all, the Wizard is sensing the
_battery_ state, not the InteliPower state. Since the InteliPower is not
receiving any AC power, the Wizard will stay in boost mode until you plug in
to shore power.
The Charge Wizard's internal circuitry senses the battery state and when
necessary, switches the InteliPower's mode. No AC necessary, but if the
InteliPower isn't plugged in, the Wizard tries again. That's why the light
cycles.
Nothing wrong with the unit. It just won't work when you are boondocking.
Roger
Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:55:46 -0500
From: "Deborah Bede" <stillwaterstudio@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Transport needed
Hi Everyone:
I need help getting a very small trailer from Delaware to New Hampshire in
the next couple of weeks - does anyone have any suggestions? It's not
towable, so needs to be trailered, just 12' long and probably only about 500
lbs. I've been trying to locate someone who could pick it up for me but no
luck so far - I can go down with a trailer but would much rather pay someone
else to do it.
Please reply off list to stillwaterstudio@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Any leads would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Deborah
1955 Bubble
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:13:00 -0800
From: "MK / JS" <sn2244@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] airstream plant? (Patti's post - VAL Digest V2 #60)
Patti refers to having work done at the "Airstream plant" -- is that in
California or ...?
Please explain for the newbies out here.
thx.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:43:50 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] RE: Nightmare at Inland RV
I'd also send the story to Airstream (contact info on their website).
Only after enough people do that will Airstream wake up and break Inland
RV's monopoly on Henschen replacement axles.
On a better note, there are two California RV places that are
recommended.
Nor Cal
Chavez R-V in Salinas
So Cal
C & G Trailer in Bellflower
Other places in the country noted here:
http://vintageairstream.com/rr_topics_suppliers.html#dealers
BTW, Pearl Main did win her Small Claims case....
Best of luck,
RJ
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 15:19:26 -00
From: "John Schubert" <flynya@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] RE: Nightmare at Inland RV
>From: "Ross, Wyn" <WRoss@xxxxxxxxxx.co.washoe.nv.us>
>Subject: RE: [VAL] Nightmare at Inland RV
It may not be much consolation but there are many other AS owners who
Andy and Inland has "stuck it to" over the years, it is good that you
posted your experience here with him so others who may consider using
his "service's" will reconsider and go to a more reputable AS dealer.
You should also send your experience to the pres. of AS and let him
know what kind of dealer they have in him, also post it on
www.airstream.com forum to let even more owners know what kind of
person and place they are. We put alot of time and money in our AS's
and we dont need that kind of dealer to give our hard earned time and
money to.
John
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:46:53 EST
From: Pemayeux@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Nigtmare at Inland RV
Wow - I'm glad to see I'm not the only unhappy person. I recently ordered a
refrigerator vent scoop for my Caravel. The price on line was $337 - which in
itself is pretty steep for a piece of fiberglass, but hey it does have to do
with an RV. Well I get the scoop with the bill in the box and they had
allowed themselves an extra $25 crating charge to put the scoop in the cardboard
box with two pieces of bubble wrap and tape it up. Then they charged $60 to
ship it. I wish this were the worst part - the scoop is 6" shorter than the old
one so therefore it, when installed to meet the curvature of the trailer
ends 2" above the counter. The stories go on and on. The replacement light
fixture covers are junk. They don't fit without trimming the jagged edges. They
look like Andy baked them in the oven from some plastic kit. They don't bother
telling you when you order them that you would have to buy the $16.00 switch
to make them work. I think I'll take the warnings and steer clear myself.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:00:04 -0500
From: "Brian Brown" <BBrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Nigtmare at Inland RV
I hope someones is forwarding all these emails to Airstream Corp... so they
can see the dissatifaction of Many Airstream customers doing business with
INLAND RV
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Pemayeux@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Nigtmare at Inland RV
> Wow - I'm glad to see I'm not the only unhappy person. I recently ordered
a
> refrigerator vent scoop for my Caravel. The price on line was $337 - which
in
> itself is pretty steep for a piece of fiberglass, but hey it does have to
do
> with an RV. Well I get the scoop with the bill in the box and they had
> allowed themselves an extra $25 crating charge to put the scoop in the
cardboard
> box with two pieces of bubble wrap and tape it up. Then they charged $60
to
> ship it. I wish this were the worst part - the scoop is 6" shorter than
the old
> one so therefore it, when installed to meet the curvature of the trailer
> ends 2" above the counter. The stories go on and on. The replacement
light
> fixture covers are junk. They don't fit without trimming the jagged
edges. They
> look like Andy baked them in the oven from some plastic kit. They don't
bother
> telling you when you order them that you would have to buy the $16.00
switch
> to make them work. I think I'll take the warnings and steer clear myself.
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:03:59 -0500
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] airstream plant? (Patti's post - VAL Digest V2 #60)
The plant is in Jackson Center, OH. I have my '68 up there right now. I'm
picking it up on Wed after having the frame straightened and stiffened as
well as the rear coach reattached to the frame. Pretty expensive, but from
what I've heard it should fix the drooping problem and the work was done by
the AS professionals. Chris is the service manager. Their number is
937-596-6111. Don't expect to be able to have any work done in a week or
two, they are always busy. I'll let you know how the repair looks etc when
I return next month. I can tell you that I got an estimate before
authorizing any work. Final bill was within a few dollars of the estimate.
Pete
Subject: [VAL] airstream plant? (Patti's post - VAL Digest V2 #60)
Patti refers to having work done at the "Airstream plant" -- is that in
California or ...?
Please explain for the newbies out here.
thx.
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:27:36 +0000
From: c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] 49 Airstream Liner Available
If anyone is interested in a winter project of a 49 Liner, I have one available.
Contact me off list, and I can send photos and details. The trailer is in Northern
California, clear title new tires, bearings packed and current registration.
Thanks,
Chuck
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:52:11 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
Chris:
My charge wizard also runs when the solar is outside and also when
the trailer is being towed. Maybe yours isn't hooked up properly?
Jo Ann
On Nov 2004, at 4:23 AM, Chris Koehn wrote:
> Hi Daisy et al:
>
> The charger is only running when I am plugged in to shore power
> (that's how a charger works..). And I had the battery tested (as this
> was my first thought as well..) It's fine. Anyone?
> Thanks,
> Chris K.
>
> -
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:43:24 -0800
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
In Joann's case, there is charging voltage to the battery, either from the
solar panels or the tow vehicle charge line. The Wizard senses that.
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: living with a charge wizard
> Chris:
> My charge wizard also runs when the solar is outside and also when the
> trailer is being towed. Maybe yours isn't hooked up properly?
> Jo Ann
> On Nov 2004, at 4:23 AM, Chris Koehn wrote:
>
>> Hi Daisy et al:
>>
>> The charger is only running when I am plugged in to shore power (that's
>> how a charger works..). And I had the battery tested (as this was my
>> first thought as well..) It's fine. Anyone?
>> Thanks,
>> Chris K.
>>
>> -
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:39 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Hitches
Jim,
You are incorrect, the friction sway bars can be used in conjunction with
the dual cams. From a Reese pamphlet, "Use our Friction Sway Control alone,
or with our Dual Cam for maximum control." It also says elsewhere to use
only 1 friction bar, not 2, if using the dual cams.
Scott Scheuermann
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:12:07 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Hitches???
I didn't think that friction sway controls were suppose to be used with with
dual cam sway control hitches. I'd be interested in finding out if this is
not correct.
Jim
PS I love the dual cam on my SOB. Its a great old system.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:48:23 -0600
From: "Tom C. Williams" <tcwilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] RE: Nightmare at Inland RV
- -----Original Message-----
...Only after enough people do that will Airstream wake up and break Inland
RV's monopoly on Henschen replacement axles.
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It was my impression that Henschen axles can be purchased from any Airstream
dealer.
It was also my impression that Henschen sells to many other businesses
(perhaps even private individuals) in addition to InlandRV. The problem is
that Henschen has no idea of which of their products fits a '67 Airstream
Overlander. They sell product based on length, width, capacity etc. data.
Andy took the time to match specs with trailers in order to sell product.
For Airstream Inc. to "break InlandRV's monopoly" would require them to
educate their dealers to make up for Andy being shut down. Since I do not
think Airstream Inc. cares that much about their vintage products, I doubt
they will do much about Andy.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:29:57 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: 1963-69 California trailer plate
All,
Today I'm offering a license plate that would add authenticity to your
vintage Airstream. It's one of two I bought on eBay for myself and have
decided to keep the other. This one has seen a few miles, has less than
perfect yellow letters (VE 6744) on a black field and what remains of a
1973 on the left and a 1974 tag on the left and right upper corners
respectively, but is relatively straight with a few not too bad battle
scars. It also has the 63 embossed in the metal in the upper right tag
space.
I'll attach an eBay link for it that may or may not work. I've tried
doing this in the past with mixed results. If it does, you can see what it
looks like.
This item can be viewed for up to 90 days at:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6125816081&ssPageName=A
DME:B:EOAB:US:6
<http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6125816081&ssP
ageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6>
The bottom line is: If you think you can use this plate for your own
use and don't just want it to resell (I could do that), it's yours if you're
the first to respond, haven't had cargo shifted your way before (give
somebody else a crack at this one) and a are willing to pay the postage,
it's yours.
I'm no expert on the subject of plate registration but am told by those
wiser than I on the subject, that these plates cannot be used with today's
current California DMV rules. That said, I have heard that there's some
talk to include this plate along with 1962 and before plates that can be
registered if not already assigned.
That brings up another thought. I have no idea if this plate is
currently assigned. My only need is for a black and yellow one to go over
my present California (reflective white with blue lettering) plate that I'll
keep up to date. My Caravel is in the rear of our property with no plans to
tow her until the day way into the future when she sells. So I only want an
old one for the authentic period look.
Good luck,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:36:49 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
Hello All:
We're having our house tented for fumigation (termites - the CA
state bird) next week. Right now my '56 Bubble AS is in the carport and
if we don't move it, it will be fumigated too. Think it's ok where it
is or should I move it out?
Jo Ann
p.s. There's no original wiring or seals - thisis a rebuild not
restoration.
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:53:19 -0500
From: Jerry Jarrell <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Question on AC
To the Guy ------ that told me about the <Compressor locked amps>
Thanks. I figured that must be the answer when I went to their site and
that was the only thing they listed that would fit into that scheme of
things. Sorry I don't have your name --- the reason being I had a low
back epi-dural (sp?) today and lost feeling in my legs for about four
hours. Everything fine now - home and checking my emails and loaded on
something to keep the pain at bay -- I deleted (somehow) the whole
digest !!!!
Anyway thanks -- think I'll go to bed and see if things work out better
tomorrow. :) Keep on smiling, especially when you do it into the
aluminum tin can called an Airstream you are polishing!!!!
Jerry
4899 WBCCI VAC
P.S - I made a VAC clock - the face has the VAC logo on it. Looks great
as you enter my door!
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:28:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
- --- Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu> wrote:
Joann,
ask the guys that do it if there's residue. If not,
then why not kill all the hidden litle critters in teh
Airstream as well?
Best,
Uwe
Right now my '56 Bubble AS is
> in the carport and
> if we don't move it, it will be fumigated too. Think
> it's ok where it
> is or should I move it out?
> Jo Ann
> p.s. There's no original wiring or seals - thisis a
> rebuild not
> restoration.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:29:35 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
Why not sleep in the Bubble out front the night they fumigate the house?
Your belongings would be a lot safer if you slept with one eye open! Will
your house be TOTALLY locked up (gas tanks inside of house with fans blowing
it around) OR will they run the gas from tanks outside the house, windows
open so the gas goes everywhere under the tent?
Not to shake your confidence or anything but fumigation progress at homes
invites thieves during the night.
Want to know more?
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
> Hello All:
> We're having our house tented for fumigation (termites - the CA state
> bird) next week. Right now my '56 Bubble AS is in the carport and if we
> don't move it, it will be fumigated too. Think it's ok where it is or
> should I move it out?
> Jo Ann
> p.s. There's no original wiring or seals - thisis a rebuild not
> restoration.
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:56:51 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fumigation for a VAS?
>Why expose your baby. They will tell you that there is nothing to
>worry about. It has not hurt me just because I have no hair and
>three ears there is nothing to worry about. When in doubt move it
>out. Dan 14148
>--- Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu> wrote:
>Joann,
>ask the guys that do it if there's residue. If not,
>then why not kill all the hidden litle critters in teh
>Airstream as well?
>Best,
>Uwe
>
>
>
> Right now my '56 Bubble AS is
>> in the carport and
>> if we don't move it, it will be fumigated too. Think
>> it's ok where it
>> is or should I move it out?
>> Jo Ann
>> p.s. There's no original wiring or seals - thisis a
>> rebuild not
>> restoration.
>>
>>
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