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VAL Digest Wednesday, April 27 2005 Volume 02 : Number 230
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
RE: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Bowen Water Heater
Re: [VAL] Vent pipes
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Metal toilet ring
Re: [VAL] Campers Choice Rumors of Demise?
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
[VAL] Is: It's done!, Was: Oddball tubing size.
Re: [VAL] Metal toilet ring
[VAL] Need contact info
[VAL] skirts
[VAL] I enjoyed spending the money on the "expensive" hose...
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:00:36 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Hi,
I thought I heard on this list that copper tubing that had
been subjected to freezing broke in some places and actually
stretched in others, resulting in alien tubing sizes. You
know my feelings in things that ain't broke, but copper
tubing that is stretched seems like it would be thinner and
soon break.
Did I dream this ?
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:57:18 -0400
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Daisy,
You are not dreaming, this is true. I've experienced this in several
trailers. The biggest problem I've had is not that the tubing will soon
break, rather that you can't find a fitting to properly fit the stretched
tubing. Some POs have resorted to using hose clamps to repair breaks which
will certainly leak at some point. I highly recommend complete tubing
replacement if you run into the problem. It will save many headaches later.
Pete
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Daisy Welch
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:01 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Hi,
I thought I heard on this list that copper tubing that had
been subjected to freezing broke in some places and actually
stretched in others, resulting in alien tubing sizes. You
know my feelings in things that ain't broke, but copper
tubing that is stretched seems like it would be thinner and
soon break.
Did I dream this ?
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:02:15 -0500
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
You may be dealing with 3/8" tubing that has expanded due to freezing.
My 64 Tradewind had that problem. Might be time to check for other weakened
areas of tubing to avoid future leaks.
Blair
91 limited
57 Silver Streak Rocket
www.prepaidlegal.com/idt/blair
At 09:47 PM 4/25/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 17:20 -0700, Glyn Judson wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Well, I've read about it but never experienced it until two days ago
> > when began to try to find what appears to be 7/16" copper tubing for a
> patch
> > in my hot water line.
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:16:39 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Blair" <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> You may be dealing with 3/8" tubing that has expanded due to freezing.
That's what I finally decided had happened to my 76. Try as I might I could
not find any fittings, sweat or compression, that would fit at the break
points to repair the existing tubing. In the end I replaced all of the
copper from the regulator with PEX.
Don
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:49:16 -0500
From: dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Are you talking about 7/16 OD ? Out side Diameter? or ID Inside
Diameter. If you are looking at 7/16 OD that is or may be about the
same as 1/4 inch ID a very common size.
Dean
>>>
>>> Well, I've read about it but never experienced it until two days
>>> ago
>>> when began to try to find what appears to be 7/16" copper tubing for
>>> a
>>> patch
>>> in my hot water line.
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:33:47 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Blair,
Indeed there might be more small leaks. In fact I know of another
already in the 1/2" line. Someone had replaced a section of it with a
combination of PVC, green garden hose and a black pipe threaded coupling
with a bunch of hose clamps thrown in for good measure. That obviously is
on the repair list. As a matter of fact I bought the 1/2" copper tubing and
fittings yesterday for just that task. That's where I need to remove the
holding tank to gain complete access to the run.
The fun part of all this is that once I repaired the one spot, I found
the second. I wonder how long this will go on? At least my Caravel is in a
climate where nothing will freeze over the winter again.
Thanks, it's all great fun,
Glyn
> From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:02:15 -0500
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
>
> You may be dealing with 3/8" tubing that has expanded due to freezing.
>
> My 64 Tradewind had that problem. Might be time to check for other weakened
> areas of tubing to avoid future leaks.
>
> Blair
>
> 91 limited
> 57 Silver Streak Rocket
>
> www.prepaidlegal.com/idt/blair
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 09:47 PM 4/25/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 17:20 -0700, Glyn Judson wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Well, I've read about it but never experienced it until two days ago
>>> when began to try to find what appears to be 7/16" copper tubing for a
>> patch
>>> in my hot water line.
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:38:19 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Dean,
Yes, I should have made that clear yesterday. My bad, sorry. I plan to
investigate the 1/2" L route today. I'll have to construct some heat
shields as the line in question and the patch are resting on the street side
plastic wheel well. I'm thinking cardboard followed by wet rags, followed
by a chunk of aluminum siding from another trailer project years ago.
Wish me luck and call 911 if you see smoke, ; - )
Glyn
> From: dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:49:16 -0500
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
>
> Are you talking about 7/16 OD ? Out side Diameter? or ID Inside
> Diameter. If you are looking at 7/16 OD that is or may be about the
> same as 1/4 inch ID a very common size.
> Dean
>>>>
>>>> Well, I've read about it but never experienced it until two days
>>>> ago
>>>> when began to try to find what appears to be 7/16" copper tubing for
>>>> a
>>>> patch
>>>> in my hot water line.
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:42:24 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Dean,
Wow, I still didn't answer your question. Yes 7'16" is the outside
diameter. Oddly enough I fond compression fittings yesterday that fit the
tubing perfectly so now I'm really wondering about the stretch theory as
opposed to 7/16" being an obsolete sized tubing no longer being made or
available.
Later,
Glyn
> From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:38:19 -0700
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
>
> Dean,
>
> Yes, I should have made that clear yesterday. My bad, sorry. I plan to
> investigate the 1/2" L route today. I'll have to construct some heat
> shields as the line in question and the patch are resting on the street side
> plastic wheel well. I'm thinking cardboard followed by wet rags, followed
> by a chunk of aluminum siding from another trailer project years ago.
>
> Wish me luck and call 911 if you see smoke, ; - )
>
> Glyn
>
>> From: dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:49:16 -0500
>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
>>
>> Are you talking about 7/16 OD ? Out side Diameter? or ID Inside
>> Diameter. If you are looking at 7/16 OD that is or may be about the
>> same as 1/4 inch ID a very common size.
>> Dean
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I've read about it but never experienced it until two days
>>>>> ago
>>>>> when began to try to find what appears to be 7/16" copper tubing for
>>>>> a
>>>>> patch
>>>>> in my hot water line.
>>
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:05:21 -0400
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
That's what I did too.
Out with the old copper and in with the new PEX. New regulator plus added a
whole house water filter system.
It was a lot easier than trying to track down all the leaks and soldering in
new sections.
Bobby
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From: Don Hardman<mailto:donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
In the end I replaced all of the
copper from the regulator with PEX.
Don
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:21:20 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> That's what I did too.
> Out with the old copper and in with the new PEX. New regulator plus added
a whole house water filter system.
What did you use for a new regulator. Also what type of water filter did you
install and where did you mount it.
Don
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:24:26 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bowen Water Heater
Bowen was purchased a number of years ago by Atwood. The model numbers
will translate, but ask for your part for an Atwood rather than Bowen.
Charlie
wwyatt wrote:
>--
>My 1965 Caravel has the original Bowen water heater. While camping this
>week, the plastic control knob broke. I need a replacement. Does anyone
>have an old heater with a knob I could purchase, or any other ideas. The
>water heater works fine and does not leak .
>Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:33:25 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent pipes
Daisy,
I've seen in the past where silicone was used around the base of a
toilet in an attempt to stabilize it. Usually just cutting it with a
sharp knife was enough to break it's hold.
Also, because of the age of your coach you should have copper lines to
the toilet. If you haven't worked with copper fittings before you need
to be aware that you CAN NOT loosen the fitting with just one wrench. If
you try it you are at high risk to twist the copper pipe. Always use two
wrenches when loosening/tightening copper fittings. Been there, done that.
Charlie
Forrest McClure wrote:
>You're welcome, Daisy. Hopefully, when you're ready to remove & replace the
>ring you won't run into what may be a common problem. In one of my postings
>a few months ago I noted that I couldn't get the toilet loose from the
>closet flange because I thought the PO had substituted silicone adhesive in
>place of the rubber & wax bowl ring. Yesterday, I was talking to one of our
>members who was having a similar problem removing his toilet, and now I
>wonder if the silicone adhesive was something either done at the factory or
>commonly done by service techs? I can visualize the factory doing this
>either because there was a shortage of bowl rings, or perhaps it was thought
>that the best way to prevent leaks and escaping sewer gas at the base of the
>toilet was to completely glue it in place.
>
>Daisy, if your toilet has been similarly glued down you may be faced with a
>dilemma. I was finally able to get the toilet loose only because the plywood
>floor was completely rotted away and could turn the entire toilet to unscrew
>the flange from the holding tank, but likely your floor is solid and if it
>is you will be stuck - literally. So, I'll put it to the list - does anyone
>have any suggestions on getting a toilet loose when it has been glued down
>with silicone adhesive, short of destroying either the toilet, the floor,
>and/or the holding tank to do so?
>
>Forrest
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:41:01 -0400
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
Don
I took my old regulator to our local plumbing supply store to match it
up.
Of course the shape size has since changed but they had one with the same
pressure rating.
As for the water filter I installed it under the street side bed just
where the water line enters the trailer. On my trailer I have a door that
allows access to this area from the outside so access to replacing the filter
is no problem. You can find them at Lowes or Home Depot for around $35.00.
Bobby
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> That's what I did too.
> Out with the old copper and in with the new PEX. New regulator plus added
a whole house water filter system.
What did you use for a new regulator. Also what type of water filter did
you
install and where did you mount it.
Don
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:14:16 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Metal toilet ring
On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 21:13 -0700, Glyn Judson wrote:
> Gerald,
>
> Thank you my friend. Do you know if these rings are readily available
> at RV supply outlets?
>
> Glyn
I don't see anything like what you describe in my catalogs. Probably its
part of the toilet itself not the plumbing where the closet flanges
typically have only four holes.
- --
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:24:21 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Campers Choice Rumors of Demise?
On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 01:03 -0400, kodiak66joe wrote:
> Say it isn't so. I need a new lamp assembly (the old one has rusted to
> pieces) for the sewer hookup area for our '85 Sovereign (yeah I know - not
> yet vintage, but this part may also have been used on "vintage" 70's
> Airstreams). The lamp has a white domed lens, half covered by a chrome
> cover, all mounted to a 2.5" x 1.75" mounting plate that ends up attached to
> the trailer by two screws. This same lamp is also used over/next to the
> steps on the Sovereign. The only place I found a lamp that appeared a close
> match was the Campers Choice Web Site, but I was waiting until the trailer
> came out of winter hibernation (soon, but not quite yet as we had several
> inches of snow this weekend in Michigan) to place the order in case I came
> up with any other parts needs.
Sounds a lot like the license plate lamp from Grote that I used on the
back of my Caravel in place of the rusted out original. Grote does offer
a replica Airstream license plate lamp, but I concluded the design was
to bad as to be totally rotten that I didn't want to replace it again
soon so I went with the Grote and made a suitable mounting plate.
In my 2001 Byerly RV catalog I see a fixture for license plate lighting
that seems to also meet your description. Chrome plated steel with a
mounting plate. Byerly catalog number 11308, manufacturer number C149,
its not clear who the maker is. A google search might turn up more
information and sources.
- --
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:39:46 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 08:49 -0500, dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Are you talking about 7/16 OD ? Out side Diameter? or ID Inside
> Diameter. If you are looking at 7/16 OD that is or may be about the
> same as 1/4 inch ID a very common size.
> Dean
1/8" pipe in copper, brass, or steel that is to be threaded has an
outside diameter of 0.405", Just a bit under 7/16". 1/4" threaded pipe
is 0.540" OD, nearly 9/16"
- --
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:09:55 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 07:38 -0700, Glyn Judson wrote:
> Dean,
>
> Yes, I should have made that clear yesterday. My bad, sorry. I plan to
> investigate the 1/2" L route today. I'll have to construct some heat
> shields as the line in question and the patch are resting on the street side
> plastic wheel well. I'm thinking cardboard followed by wet rags, followed
> by a chunk of aluminum siding from another trailer project years ago.
>
> Wish me luck and call 911 if you see smoke, ; - )
>
> Glyn
If you really have 7/16" pipe and fittings, they might not be swelled,
but if its swelled from freezing, its not going to be a consistent
diameter or even perfectly round anywhere.
If you have found a bin of 7/16" fittings, treat them as jewels. I don't
find reference to 7/16" OD as a standard size for copper in recent times
including my Marks Mechanical Engineer's Handbook that dates from 1978. I
do find that H. Channon in their 1916 catalog lists 7/16" OD copper tubing
if you were willing to buy 100 pounds. For that matter they will get it any
size you wish.
One way to make a fitting if your L tubing is a bit tight would be to make a
rounded end steel bar the full 7/16" diameter and pound it into the end of
tubing to expand it. Like a flaring tool, but swaging. I'm sure some oil or
grease on the swaging tool will make it work easier. Then between the swaging
tool for expanding and the tubing holding tool for shrinking you can begin
to make any size tubing you wish.
For your heat shield put a skin of aluminum or steel on top of the
cardboard to keep the flame from igniting the cardboard. In the old days
we'd have used asbestos paper. I see in my Home Depot Pro Book that
Oatey has a flame protector. 9 x 12". Oatey number 31400, Home Depot SKU
411396. Under $20. Go find one or more.
- --
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:54:36 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Is: It's done!, Was: Oddball tubing size.
Gerald and all,
OK, here's the real deal. It appears that all the while the tubing was
really 3/8" but the swelling from a prior freeze enlarged the piece I cut
off to 7/16". Had I more experience in these things, I'd have measured the
tubing farther away from the split but my sample was taken from the freeze
site.
So I went out to the hardware store with all your notes of last night
and ended up with a length of 1/2" soft copper tubing that almost fit the
7/16" sample I had with me. I say almost because it was a bad butt fit. I
bought a 3/8" tapered punch there (Proto tool) and did a test enlarging on
the heel of their bench vise. The 7/16" tube fit beautifully. I bought a
24" length of the 1/2" tubing, the punch and headed home. By the way, I was
able to control the size and depth of the enlargement by holding the tube in
my hand with the punch in it. I then slammed the back end of the punch down
vertically on my bench vise, checking for fit every few slams and proceeded
to the Caravel. For those of you with a '69 Caravel, the patch was on
either side of the bulkhead that separates the galley from the hanging
locker, right over the wheel well. It required temporary removal of the
stove, no big thing.
I prepped both ends of the existing tubing as well as the 9" patch at
both ends and sweated it on. The heat shield took the form of three
thicknesses of a cardboard bow under a soaked terrycloth towel under a piece
of thin, unplated sheet metal bent to deflect all heat away form any fire
fuel source.
Then came the pressure check. I left the city water on for 10-15
minutes and examined both joints the whole time, no leaks at all! Now on to
the 1/2" leak(s)
Thanks to all who graciously shared with me their experience and ideas,
Glyn
> From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:09:55 -0500
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Oddball tubing size.
>
> On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 07:38 -0700, Glyn Judson wrote:
>> Dean,
>>
>> Yes, I should have made that clear yesterday. My bad, sorry. I plan to
>> investigate the 1/2" L route today. I'll have to construct some heat
>> shields as the line in question and the patch are resting on the street side
>> plastic wheel well. I'm thinking cardboard followed by wet rags, followed
>> by a chunk of aluminum siding from another trailer project years ago.
>>
>> Wish me luck and call 911 if you see smoke, ; - )
>>
>> Glyn
> If you really have 7/16" pipe and fittings, they might not be swelled,
> but if its swelled from freezing, its not going to be a consistent
> diameter or even perfectly round anywhere.
>
> If you have found a bin of 7/16" fittings, treat them as jewels. I don't
> find reference to 7/16" OD as a standard size for copper in recent times
> including my Marks Mechanical Engineer's Handbook that dates from 1978. I
> do find that H. Channon in their 1916 catalog lists 7/16" OD copper tubing
> if you were willing to buy 100 pounds. For that matter they will get it any
> size you wish.
>
> One way to make a fitting if your L tubing is a bit tight would be to make a
> rounded end steel bar the full 7/16" diameter and pound it into the end of
> tubing to expand it. Like a flaring tool, but swaging. I'm sure some oil or
> grease on the swaging tool will make it work easier. Then between the swaging
> tool for expanding and the tubing holding tool for shrinking you can begin
> to make any size tubing you wish.
>
> For your heat shield put a skin of aluminum or steel on top of the
> cardboard to keep the flame from igniting the cardboard. In the old days
> we'd have used asbestos paper. I see in my Home Depot Pro Book that
> Oatey has a flame protector. 9 x 12". Oatey number 31400, Home Depot SKU
> 411396. Under $20. Go find one or more.
>
> --
> Gerald J.
> Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
> WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:11:16 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Metal toilet ring
The original toilet for that year was Thetford's Starlite/Galaxy series.
There was/is not metal flange that was part of the toilet. On the other
hand Airstream used a plastic floor flange that screwed into the neck
of the holding tank. So typically no metal flange there either. Sounds
like a PO has done or had done some repair work with a dose of creative
engineering.
The original floor flange was designed, as they are now, specifically
for an RV application. Because of the invariable flexing of the RV
environment the floor gasket is made of foam rather than the wax
commonly see in fixed installations. The metal flange may or may not be
designed to work with a foam gasket.
Charlie
Gerald wrote:
>On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 21:13 -0700, Glyn Judson wrote:
>
>
>> Gerald,
>>
>> Thank you my friend. Do you know if these rings are readily available
>>at RV supply outlets?
>>
>> Glyn
>>
>>
>I don't see anything like what you describe in my catalogs. Probably its
>part of the toilet itself not the plumbing where the closet flanges
>typically have only four holes.
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:54:50 -0400
From: "Wally" <maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Need contact info
Hi all,
Can anyone on the list put me in contact with David Hitchinson and/or Erika
Inglis? Here is a picture of them from the VAC Fall rally in 2003.
http://www.airstream.net/rallies/03-duncans_mills/hitchinson.htm
I'm just looking for an email address or phone number. Or, if you prefer,
just give them my contact info below.
Thanks,
Wally
email: wally@xxxxxxxxxx.com
www.vintageairstreamer.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:54:41 -0700
From: Sharon Chaytor <sharonbc@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] skirts
Not for me, but for the truck!
We need to get a rock guard for the window of our airstream, and we are
also looking at skirts that people have on their trucks. Some are big
mudflaps, and others are hula skirts. What are the pros/cons of both?
Sharon, in BC, where we went camping at Easter, and had a great time!
Pictures here:
http://community.webshots.com/album/213175014qoRJxJ/1
Under *Truck* there are a couple of pictures of my new truck!
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:02:43 +0000
From: estatewagons@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] I enjoyed spending the money on the "expensive" hose...
> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:57:24 -0700
> From: Glyn Judson
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Daisy - sanitation - hoses etc.
>
> RL every year there are those who
> give advise to others to use these expensive hoses, etc. and none of it's
> necessary but they persist in pouring good money after bad with all the odor
> masking ideas they can thing of. Well if it makes them happy I guess
> there's not harm, it's just that there's no need.
>
> Glyn
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Gee Whiz......and here I really enjoyed sharing my good experience with the use
of the "expensive" type of hose...not realizing it was good money for bad...!
In fact I think I had to buy all of about 15' of hose for my project...and it was
mounted exposed to the inside of the cabin and it looked beautiful in it's shiny
white finish...so...I really did not mind spending a few extra cents for the overall
product....
What ever floats our boats...or trailers! RL
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