VAL Digest V2 #228

VAL Digest           Monday, April 25 2005           Volume 02 : Number 228




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Thank you, Hunter Re: [VAL] Wifi in Springfield. MO
[VAL] wi-fi hotspots at International
[VAL] '57 Overlander Frame For Sale
Re: [VAL] wi-fi hotspots at International
[VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?
Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?
Re: [VAL] wi-fi hotspots at International
Re: [VAL] Economical tow vehicle
RE: [VAL] Back to steel tire stems and the why's and what-for
Re: [VAL] Vent pipes
Re: [VAL] Vent pipes
Re: [VAL] Vent pipes
Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?
Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?
Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?
[VAL] Replacing wheels
Re: [VAL] Vent pipes

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:00:26 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Thank you, Hunter Re: [VAL] Wifi in Springfield. MO

This is great, Hunter.  Thanks for telling all of us about the hot spots in 
Springfield.  This is the very *first post* I've read about Wi-Fi being 
available at the Rally - although I have asked lots of people off the list 
if they knew of any that would be available.  Thanks again.

Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303


From: <HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Wifi in Springfield. MO


> Hi gang,
>
> I just got an email from a listie who lives in Springfield. He's made a
> website showing the wifi hotspots....here's the letter....
>
> Hunter:
>
> I live in Springfield, MO, which I hear will host the WBCCI International
> this summer.   I've made a web page this lists free open Wi-Fi Access 
> points
> in our town.
>
> http://rhoops.org/wifi
>
> The Park Central area is just a block west of the convention center that
> will host the event.   The Chamber of Commerce is one block east.
>
> Hunter
>
>
> http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
>
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved 
> body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
> shit...what a ride!" 

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:31:38 -0400
From: Rich Luhr <rich@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] wi-fi hotspots at International

Hello all,

I am now beta-testing a new wireless Internet system for Airstream.  
It's being considered as an option on the 2006 models.  Basically, this 
system collects a wireless Internet signal from the Sprint (or Verizon) 
cellular network, and re-distributes it as wi-fi throughout the trailer 
and in the immediate area.

In essence, it makes my trailer a moving Wi-Fi hotspot.  The 
performance is substantially better than you can get with a standard 
Verizon phone connected to your laptop (which is what I have used in 
the past).  I am getting 300 kbps up and downstream with this system, 
versus about 50 kbps with my Verizon phone.

The reason I mention this is that the OEM of the equipment has offered 
to give me a few extra systems for demonstration purposes at the 
International.  At the very least, I plan to bring Vintage Thunder (the 
project trailer in which this system is currently installed) to 
International.  So there will be at least one wireless hotspot located 
on the rally site!

All members of this list are welcome to drop by and check their email 
at any time during the rally.  All you'll need is a wi-fi equipped 
laptop, and it will be entirely free.   Look for the metallic blue 
Argosy.

We will also be at the Airstream Homecoming (May 31-June 5) with this 
system, in the Terra-Port.  Once I know more about the possibility of 
additional demonstration locations, I will let you know.  Or you can 
check the Vintage Thunder blog at 
http://www.airstreamlife.com/vintagethunder/vintagethunderblog.html

- -- Rich

Rich Luhr, Editor & Publisher
Airstream Life magazine
PO Box 74
Ferrisburg, VT 05456
802-877-2900
802-610-1013 fax

On Apr 24, 2005, at 2:00 AM, VAL Digest wrote:
>
> Hunter:
>
> I live in Springfield, MO, which I hear will host the WBCCI 
> International
> this summer.   I've made a web page this lists free open Wi-Fi Access 
> points
> in our town.
>
> http://rhoops.org/wifi

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:50:50 -0500
From: "Brian Jenkins" <jenkins1924@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] '57 Overlander Frame For Sale

Hello all,
If anyone is interested and would like to make me an offer, I have the frame 
for sale from the '57, 26-foot Overlander that I'm parting out. There are 
also various windows, cabinets, etc. Please contact me off the board at 
jenkins1924@hotmail or at (214) 535-1553. I'm in Dallas.
Thanks,
Brian Jenkins

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:32:48 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] wi-fi hotspots at International

Rich Luhr wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am now beta-testing a new wireless Internet system for Airstream.  
> It's being considered as an option on the 2006 models.  Basically, 
> this system collects a wireless Internet signal from the Sprint (or 
> Verizon) cellular network, and re-distributes it as wi-fi throughout 
> the trailer and in the immediate area.
>
>
Rich,

Have you checked the Sprint coverage map, as Verizon doesn't offer 
digital service in Springfield....

Dave


- -- 
- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
Dave & Ann Lowrey - WBCCI: 5074
dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com

1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:03:43 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?

Does anyone know what years Airstream used Aluminum wiring for the 110 
volt AC?

Thanks!

Dave

- -- 
- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
Dave & Ann Lowrey - WBCCI: 5074
dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com

1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:16:35 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?

Dave,

I think it was 66/67. My 66 Overlander has it.

Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Lowrey" <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "VAList" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?


> Does anyone know what years Airstream used Aluminum wiring for the 110
> volt AC?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
> -- 
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> Dave & Ann Lowrey - WBCCI: 5074
> dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:56:58 -0400
From: <buckpratt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] wi-fi hotspots at International

 Rich -- Nice to hear from you, even if you're just testing a new wireless system.  
Gail Buck

- ---- Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote: 
> Rich Luhr wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am now beta-testing a new wireless Internet system for Airstream.  
> > It's being considered as an option on the 2006 models.  Basically, 
> > this system collects a wireless Internet signal from the Sprint (or 
> > Verizon) cellular network, and re-distributes it as wi-fi throughout 
> > the trailer and in the immediate area.
> >
> >
> Rich,
> 
> Have you checked the Sprint coverage map, as Verizon doesn't offer 
> digital service in Springfield....
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> -- 
> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> Dave & Ann Lowrey - WBCCI: 5074
> dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> 
> 1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath
> 
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:27:17 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Economical tow vehicle

The Ford 302 is not a racing engine. I don't think it can stand a lot of
enhancement. The pistons are extraordinarily small with not much slipper
surface to hand the side thrust of the rods. 

When one creates a turbocharged engine, as the Volvos, one can make
those needed structural changes in the design, such as a stronger crank
shaft (forged instead of cast), larger bearings, sturdier pistons, and
strong connecting rods. When one adds a turbo to an existing engine one
hopes that the designer's slipped a digit on their slide rule and
accidentally made it stronger than needed for normal aspiration. These
days with computer simulation they can cut corners closer than ever and
be sure about the removal of nearly every ounce of extraneous metal. The
pushing more air and fuel into the modern engine can only result in
rapid wear to rod and main bearings and the occasional broken piston rod
or piston. Wear can be handled with better oil or higher oil pressure,
but the broken rod ends usually create a new access opening to the
crankcase.

Its common for tractor towing and drag racing to turbo charge to
extremes, but those engines need only last a few minutes under load as a
minimum. And some don't.

Gearing, both having a wide range of ratios available in the
transmission and having a high ratio in the rear axle to reduce the
torque needed at the transmission and engine (but trades off requiring a
higher engine speed for that total power, and engines often DO produce
more power at a faster engine speed).

The typical three speed automatic with torque converter will give a
variation of 6 or 7 to 1. Fords most recent pickup (1/2 ton) manual 5
speeds gives a ratio of 5.2 to 1. I don't know what the gear ratios in
their new 6 speed transmission is. I'm not shopping in that direction at
the moment. For pulling my Caravel, I'm using a 4.6 L Triton V-8 with
manual transmission and 4.10 rear axle gears. It was made in '98 and I
had to go to a hot rod shop for the gears. I believe that rear axle
ratio is an option in the 2005 model year from the factory. The way the
truck should have been built in the first place. By running the engine
faster, I make use of its high speed torque characteristics at the cost
of faster engine wear. I've been pleased that the gas mileage didn't
change when I change the axle gears.

With the original gears, Ford rated my truck for a gross combination
weight of about 6500 pounds, or 2100 pounds trailer. I rate it with the
new gears at a GCW of 9900 pounds or 4600 pounds trailer weight. Just
over a week ago I had my farm trailer behind it and weighed (with 325
gallons of liquid fertilizer in the tank) 9720 pounds. It was a load but
the truck moved it fine.

Rear axle ratio is that important. And the factories prefer to ship low
ratios to try for better gas mileage when lightly loaded as most
vehicles are run lightly loaded.


- -- 
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:59:29 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Back to steel tire stems and the why's and what-for

On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 14:56 -0500, David Tidmore wrote:
> Don,
> I am not sure what A/S originally installed on your rig.  I do know that on
> all the new 28 foot and greater models as well as the 19' Bambi, they use
> the ST225/75R15 D rated Goodyear Marathon.  These tires at 65PSI cold
> inflation pressure can carry a maximum load per tire of 2540#s.  At 60PSI,
> each can carry 2380, at 55PSI, each can carry 2270 and at 50PSI each can
> carry 2150.  As you can see, with your rig, you most likely would not
> require the full 65PSI, BUT it is interesting to note that A/S recommends
> 65PSI for on the current 19' and 28/31 ft models (not sure on the 34ft) even
> though the loads on the tandem rigs might indicate a lower pressure.  On the
> Bambi, at full load, the tires running at 65PSI only have a 250 pound per
> tire excess capacity over the actual load per tire, so if a tire should drop
> to 60PSI, the tire would still be within its load range (but just barely).
> I suspect that A/S is recommending 65PSI on the other rigs so that if you
> have a flat and have to tow for a distance on 3 wheels you will have the
> maximum load capacity of the remaining tire.
> 
> david
I've been on the road for a few days. And the first day out I was
thinking about these tire problems on multiple axle Airstreams. When I
camped, I wrote notes for a while.

I think that the suggestion that a 4 wheel Airstream carry maximum rated
tire pressure may come from the Airstream lack of suspension
equalization leads to poor load sharing. So that while the four tires
seemingly could carry the trailer with a lower air pressure that
presumes that the suspension splits the load perfectly equally.

When the four wheels (or 6 wheels on a triple axle trailer) have exactly
equal strength springs and the trailer frame is exactly parallel to the
road surface, one could expect equal load sharing of the four tires. But
in the vintage Airstream, the axles are often stiffened and set in some
position they have rested in for the majority of their life. If the
frame and the surface under the tires were not perfectly parallel, then
even when towed in that condition, the tire loading will not be even.
With the aged axle the travel of the spring (the elastomer torsion
scheme) is restricted and so much smaller changes in attitude can result
in large changes in tire load. I'm not quite ready to make a calculation
of these effects which are complicated by the compressibility of the
tires.

I did notice a SOB trailer in a campground yesterday that when hitched,
noticeably squashed the rear tires.

Long ago steam locomotives were built with independently sprung axles.
But they learned that the locomotive could pull better (with less wheel
slip) and the track laster better when they were sprung but with
equalization links between the spring ends. Some brands of tandem axle
trailers do that, some don't. Perhaps the Airstream independent
suspension design which has an elegant appearance isn't the best for
tire life.

At a country elevator scale with a flat approach to the end of the
scale, one could weigh one trailer axle, then two, then three to see how
the load was shared between the axles for the hitch height in use. I
suspect hitch height is critical for a relatively equal distribution of
tire loads.

And I worked out that there are other potential problems to lead to
poorer tire life.

Alignment is a big one. My friend has a SOB fifth wheel where the axle
mounts were not as strong as they should have been. Then he tagged a
concrete pylon with the wheel, bending spindle, axle, and mounts. With a
new axle the tires still wore rapidly. New mounts and great care may
have improved that situation. One can do an initial check for alignment
with a straight board. It should hit all the tires on a side equally. Or
should have equal spaces from rim to board. Then as critically (even on
a single axle trailer) boards on both sides should tend to come together
a little bit towards the front. So that when pulled the drag of the
tires pulls them straight. Toe-in its called. But too much toe-in leads
to scuffed, heated, and rapidly worn tires.

Its possible that the axle mount precision is not as good as it needs to
be for constant high speed towing. Its more likely that curbs and pylon
impacts have bent trailing arms, axles, mounts, and/or spindles to move
axles out of alignment.

Other than my friend's fifth wheel, I don't have evidence at the moment
that alignment is part of the tire failure problem, but I still don't
detect the radials on my single axle Caravel heating. Last Wednesday, I
checked them with my hands at 25, 90, and 225 miles. No significant
temperature rise. That day there wasn't much sun and it sure wasn't hot.

So, so far I see two potential causes for individual tire heating
(neglecting faulty tires), unequal load sharing and alignment. I have no
solution for the unequal load sharing except to run higher pressure
(even a class higher load rating if needed) and there are no adjustments
in the trailer structure for adjusting alignment, and probably no tools
made to adjust alignment with the precision done for the tow vehicle.
That is unfortunate because trailer tire alignment, I think, can be as
critical for tire life as it is on the tow vehicle. We wouldn't think of
running the tow vehicle without a periodic alignment, we should treat
the trailer as decently if we wish comparable tire life.

As for LT vs ST tires, might it be that that ST are such a slow mover,
that they are only made occasionally with second rate production
machinery, perhaps as a training tool for newly hired tire builders and
so sometimes are receiving second class construction? Might it be that
some ST are stored years? With the much larger number of LT tires made,
perhaps their quality might be better on the average and their time
stored in warehouse much shorter, LT where the tire of choice in 1968
because ST weren't made. Its still important to be sure the tire ply
rating and load rating are more than adequate for the trailer load they
will have to handle.

I have thoughts on pressure changes but I'll let them slip for now.

- -- 
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:47:03 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent pipes

   Empty the black tank daily (rinse
> occasionally). 

I'll just build an out house if I have to do that...

  Or, try to find some way to get oxygen into the black tank
> (????? maybe a fish-tank bubbler? ?????).

that's hysterical ;}  Maybe some koi in there too ?

Thanks,

Daisy

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:53:53 -0600
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent pipes

Daisy,

Very unlikely problems with vents or leaks. As Christopher said the 
tanks are designed to be dumped all at once when 3/4 or so full. By 
draining a small amount at a time you are removing liquid that is needed 
to flush the solids. The concentration of solids is increased 
significantly.
Also when you are using your coach full time it is important to rinse 
the tank every time or two to flush it more thoroughly. The lack of 
motion while moving allows things to settle and become more difficult to 
flush out. I suspect that were you to shine a flashlight down the "hole" 
you would see more than you would like.
Like it or not it is time to take trailer for a little drive and stop at 
the dump station on the way back in. You might over dose with the blue 
stuff and dump a bag of cubed ice in the tank before you take off. This 
will help knock things loose.
I know, but you really need to do this, right?

Charlie

Daisy Welch wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I've been living in my trailer here in Ocala for 6 months now, and 
> still love it. but.
>
> Getting my trailer out to drive to the dump site is a logistical 
> nightmare, so I have been dumping 5 gal at a time and flushing it down 
> the toilet. Using a COVER on the bucket, and being able to ventilate 
> the bathroom is vital to this project. This solved the problem. But.
>
> It is smelly in here.
>
> Maybe not completely emptying the tank has set up a "special 
> situation" that the blue powder cannot handle ?
>
> Maybe being very careful with water use has not diluted the liquid 
> enough ?
>
> Maybe my vents are not open enough ?
>
> Maybe there is a slight leak where the vent leaves the tank ?
>
> This is a '73 Ambassador, center bath.
>
> I welcome your suggestions.
>
> Daisy
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:10:31 -0700
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent pipes

http://tinyurl.com/84hle
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Daisy Welch
  To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent pipes


     Empty the black tank daily (rinse
  > occasionally).

  I'll just build an out house if I have to do that...

    Or, try to find some way to get oxygen into the black tank
  > (????? maybe a fish-tank bubbler? ?????).

  that's hysterical ;}  Maybe some koi in there too ?

  Thanks,

  Daisy

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:28:29 -0700
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?

My 1963 Overlander had a whole mess of copper wiring.

Uwe Salwender
Orange CA



On Sunday, April 24, 2005, at 03:16  PM, <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I think it was 66/67. My 66 Overlander has it.
>
> Paul Waddell
> WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Lowrey" <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: "VAList" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:03 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?
>
>
>> Does anyone know what years Airstream used Aluminum wiring for the 110
>> volt AC?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -- 
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>> dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>
>> 1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath
>>
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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:01:55 -0500
From: Gerald <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?

On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 17:03 -0400, Dave Lowrey wrote:
> Does anyone know what years Airstream used Aluminum wiring for the 110 
> volt AC?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dave
> 
My '68 Caravel has aluminum for the 110 volt AC and much of the 12 volt
DC, but the turn signals and marker lights appear to be in copper.


- -- 
Gerald J.
Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer
WBCCI #5623, VAC
All content copyright.

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:42:25 -0500
From: "J. Anderson" <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Aluminum Wiring - What Years?

To  muddy the waters a bit more, my 1966 Sovereign has all copper; I 
have found no aluminum wiring anywhere in it.  Does it depend on where 
it was built?  Mine was built in Jackson Ohio.

John Anderson

>
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I think it was 66/67. My 66 Overlander has it.
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know what years Airstream used Aluminum wiring for the 110
>>> volt AC?

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Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:57:00 -0700
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Replacing wheels

I am replacing the split rims on a 1954 Liner.  The existing drums have 
a locating pin for the wheels.  Does anyone know if this pin is just 
pressed into the drum or if I need to cut the pin off?  The new wheels 
do not have a hole for the locating pin.

Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
and soon a 1954 double door Liner
Orange, CA

http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari

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Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:34:55 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent pipes

Hysterical?  Nice touch.

And here I thought you wanted to know HOW to get rid of a stinky trailer 
smells.  Silly me.  Sorry I posted to your original request for help.

Adding oxygen to a septic system will stop the odors as the odor causing bad 
bacteria can't survive in that environment.  But, you knew that I suppose as 
you think it's hysterical for an answer.  Guess you are on your own next 
time around, eh?

Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303


>  From: Daisy Welch
>    Or, try to find some way to get oxygen into the black tank
>  > (????? maybe a fish-tank bubbler? ?????).
>
>  that's hysterical ;}  Maybe some koi in there too ?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Daisy 

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