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[VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Re: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Re: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
[VAL] Trailer wanted to photograph
[VAL] Fw: airstream trailer in Rio Grande Valley?
Re: [VAL] fresh water pump
Re: [VAL] fresh water pump
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:18:08 -0600
From: Kurt Anderson <kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Hello list:
I am wondering if anyone has a resource for installation instructions or
how-to websites or books on how to install black, gray and water tanks. I am
really good at plumbing, but I have no idea how you go about making the pipe
connections to these types of tanks. Any an all help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Kurt
2004 28' International
1957 22' Flying Cloud
And a newly acquired 1948 Spartainette 24'
Kurt Anderson
Arketype Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI 54301
920-437-3700
Fax 920-437-3701
On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
http://www.arketypeinc.com
Evolutionaries in design communications.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:33:46 -0500
From: "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant" <william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Just guessing here...I have a 1972 Globetrotter with no gray-water tank. The
gray-water line is attached to the discharge line below the black water valve
so that it doesn't go into the black-water tank, it simply drains onto the
landscape below. I believe one could disconnect this line from the discharge
piping assembly and install the gray-water tank between the last fixture drain
and the existing gray-water outlet and then reconnect the outflow of the
gray-water tank back to the original gray-water line outlet. Hope this makes
sense... and of course all piping must be slopped to assure gravity drain so
it may be a challenge to make this happen. Let me know how difficult it is...I
may benefit from your lessons learned when I decide to do my own.
Bill Ketchum
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Anderson
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:18
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Hello list:
I am wondering if anyone has a resource for installation instructions or
how-to websites or books on how to install black, gray and water tanks. I am
really good at plumbing, but I have no idea how you go about making the pipe
connections to these types of tanks. Any an all help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Kurt
2004 28' International
1957 22' Flying Cloud
And a newly acquired 1948 Spartainette 24'
Kurt Anderson
Arketype Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI 54301
920-437-3700
Fax 920-437-3701
On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
http://www.arketypeinc.com
Evolutionaries in design communications.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:36:16 -0500
From: "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant" <william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
See attached sketch, it is a pdf file. If you don't have Adobe Acrobat you
can find it on the web, download it and view the sketch. Hope it helps
Bill Ketchum
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Anderson
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:18
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Hello list:
I am wondering if anyone has a resource for installation instructions or
how-to websites or books on how to install black, gray and water tanks. I am
really good at plumbing, but I have no idea how you go about making the pipe
connections to these types of tanks. Any an all help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Kurt
2004 28' International
1957 22' Flying Cloud
And a newly acquired 1948 Spartainette 24'
Kurt Anderson
Arketype Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI 54301
920-437-3700
Fax 920-437-3701
On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
http://www.arketypeinc.com
Evolutionaries in design communications.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:39:20 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Sorry Bill,
All attachments are automtically removed from messages, so that viruses
cannot be transmitted through the list.
If you will mail the sketch to me, I will upload it to the site separately.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant" <william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
> See attached sketch, it is a pdf file. If you don't have Adobe Acrobat
> you
> can find it on the web, download it and view the sketch. Hope it helps
> Bill Ketchum
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:40:44 -0500
From: "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant" <william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
No problem and don't blame you for doing so.
Bill Ketchum
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Tom Patterson
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:39
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Sorry Bill,
All attachments are automtically removed from messages, so that viruses
cannot be transmitted through the list.
If you will mail the sketch to me, I will upload it to the site separately.
- -Tom
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From: "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant" <william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
> See attached sketch, it is a pdf file. If you don't have Adobe Acrobat
> you
> can find it on the web, download it and view the sketch. Hope it helps
> Bill Ketchum
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:14:34 -0600
From: Kurt Anderson <kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Bill and list:
Thanks for the info. But I am looking to start from scratch. I need to buy
and install tanks in a trailer that has none now. I am not certain how the
pipe connections are made to the tanks. What in kind of fitting to purchase,
do they glue on, bolt on, use a special application process, how do monitors
install and work, etc? That is what I am looking for. Once I have the tank
installed and the connectors attached to the tanks I am fine. Its that first
step I have never done before and I have not been able to see any existing
applications.
Thanks
Kurt
On 3/31/05 9:33 AM, "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant"
<william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil> wrote:
> Just guessing here...I have a 1972 Globetrotter with no gray-water tank. The
> gray-water line is attached to the discharge line below the black water valve
> so that it doesn't go into the black-water tank, it simply drains onto the
> landscape below. I believe one could disconnect this line from the discharge
> piping assembly and install the gray-water tank between the last fixture drain
> and the existing gray-water outlet and then reconnect the outflow of the
> gray-water tank back to the original gray-water line outlet. Hope this makes
> sense... and of course all piping must be slopped to assure gravity drain so
> it may be a challenge to make this happen. Let me know how difficult it
> is...I may benefit from your lessons learned when I decide to do my own.
> Bill Ketchum
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:18
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
>
>
> Hello list:
>
> I am wondering if anyone has a resource for installation instructions or
> how-to websites or books on how to install black, gray and water tanks. I am
> really good at plumbing, but I have no idea how you go about making the pipe
> connections to these types of tanks. Any an all help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kurt
> 2004 28' International
> 1957 22' Flying Cloud
> And a newly acquired 1948 Spartainette 24'
> Kurt Anderson
> Arketype Inc
> 126 Pine St., Suite 301
> Green Bay, WI 54301
> 920-437-3700
> Fax 920-437-3701
>
> On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
> http://www.arketypeinc.com
>
> Evolutionaries in design communications.
>
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Kurt Anderson
Arketype Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI 54301
920-437-3700
Fax 920-437-3701
On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
http://www.arketypeinc.com
Evolutionaries in design communications.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:27:27 -0500
From: "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant" <william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Kurt,
Sorry, there are owner's manuals available for download on the Airstream
site. You might try to find one to suit your needs. They do a fine job of
showing the systems inside the trailer.
Bill K
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Anderson
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 13:15
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
Bill and list:
Thanks for the info. But I am looking to start from scratch. I need to buy
and install tanks in a trailer that has none now. I am not certain how the
pipe connections are made to the tanks. What in kind of fitting to purchase,
do they glue on, bolt on, use a special application process, how do monitors
install and work, etc? That is what I am looking for. Once I have the tank
installed and the connectors attached to the tanks I am fine. Its that first
step I have never done before and I have not been able to see any existing
applications.
Thanks
Kurt
On 3/31/05 9:33 AM, "Ketchum, William T CIV NAVFAC Lant"
<william.ketchum@xxxxxxxxxx.mil> wrote:
> Just guessing here...I have a 1972 Globetrotter with no gray-water tank. The
> gray-water line is attached to the discharge line below the black water valve
> so that it doesn't go into the black-water tank, it simply drains onto the
> landscape below. I believe one could disconnect this line from the discharge
> piping assembly and install the gray-water tank between the last fixture drain
> and the existing gray-water outlet and then reconnect the outflow of the
> gray-water tank back to the original gray-water line outlet. Hope this makes
> sense... and of course all piping must be slopped to assure gravity drain so
> it may be a challenge to make this happen. Let me know how difficult it
> is...I may benefit from your lessons learned when I decide to do my own.
> Bill Ketchum
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:18
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
>
>
> Hello list:
>
> I am wondering if anyone has a resource for installation instructions or
> how-to websites or books on how to install black, gray and water tanks. I am
> really good at plumbing, but I have no idea how you go about making the pipe
> connections to these types of tanks. Any an all help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kurt
> 2004 28' International
> 1957 22' Flying Cloud
> And a newly acquired 1948 Spartainette 24'
> Kurt Anderson
> Arketype Inc
> 126 Pine St., Suite 301
> Green Bay, WI 54301
> 920-437-3700
> Fax 920-437-3701
>
> On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
> http://www.arketypeinc.com
>
> Evolutionaries in design communications.
>
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Kurt Anderson
Arketype Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI 54301
920-437-3700
Fax 920-437-3701
On the brink of the undiscovered. Arketype Inc
http://www.arketypeinc.com
Evolutionaries in design communications.
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 20:55:05 -0000
From: "Tom Williams" <tcwilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
- ------------- Original message follows -------------
But I am looking to start from scratch. I need to buy
and install tanks in a trailer that has none now. I am not certain how the
pipe connections are made to the tanks. What in kind of fitting to purchase,
do they glue on, bolt on, use a special application process...
- -----------------------------------------------------
Most of those questions will be determined by what tank(s) you buy for your
application. I know of at least one Airstream dealer who sells exact
replacement tanks, and believe they are made of ABS plastic. The types of
fittings you will need will also be largely determined by the tank you buy.
Do you plan to buy a replacement tank from Airstream? It would be the
easiest route, but not necessarily the least expensive.
Also, if you add a gray water tank, there is another world of worries about
deadweight on the axles, and weight distribution. I am not aware of a book
like you are hoping to find. Your best bet is probably to get a service
manual from Helen Davis Secretarial Services, and study how Airstream did
it.
Good luck,
Tom
'67 Overlander
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 20:55:30 -0000
From: "Tom Williams" <tcwilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Black & Gray Water Tank Install
- ------------- Original message follows -------------
But I am looking to start from scratch. I need to buy
and install tanks in a trailer that has none now. I am not certain how the
pipe connections are made to the tanks. What in kind of fitting to purchase,
do they glue on, bolt on, use a special application process...
- -----------------------------------------------------
Most of those questions will be determined by what tank(s) you buy for your
application. I know of at least one Airstream dealer who sells exact
replacement tanks, and believe they are made of ABS plastic. The types of
fittings you will need will also be largely determined by the tank you buy.
Do you plan to buy a replacement tank from Airstream? It would be the
easiest route, but not necessarily the least expensive.
Also, if you add a gray water tank, there is another world of worries about
deadweight on the axles, and weight distribution. I am not aware of a book
like you are hoping to find. Your best bet is probably to get a service
manual from Helen Davis Secretarial Services, and study how Airstream did
it.
Good luck,
Tom
'67 Overlander
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:06:41 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Trailer wanted to photograph
I received the following message. Anyone interested can contact van Overbeek
directly.
- -Tom
___________________________________________
Hello,
I am working on a project for a magazine cover.
We are looking for an Airstream trailer parked near a palm tree to
photograph.
Would you have any Idea of where to find on in the Rio Grande valley in
Texas?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Will van Overbeek
Photographer
2412 Ridgeview
Austin, TX 78704
(512) 707-2900 studio
www.willvano.com
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:49:55 -0700
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Fw: airstream trailer in Rio Grande Valley?
Here is a request from a photographer in the Rio Grande Valley looking to
photo opt w/ an Airstream. Anyone down there interested?
Randy Unter
VAC Region 11 Rep
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Will van Overbeek
To: runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: airstream trailer in Rio Grande Valley?
Hello,
I am working on a project for a magazine cover.
We are looking for an Airstream trailer parked near a palm tree to
photograph.
Would you have any Idea of where to find one in the Rio Grande valley in
Texas?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Will van Overbeek
Photographer
2412 Ridgeview
Austin, TX 78704
(512) 707-2900 studio
www.willvano.com
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:49:54 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fresh water pump
Streamer's
I am still working on a fresh water pump. Have been instructed to look
for a Shurflo. No what gpm should I be looking for? I have a 69 18 ft
Caravel. Have bath/shower and kitchen. They list from 1 gpm to 5.7 gpm.
Is noise a problem? What about the Whisper King at 2 gpm?
Thanks
Dan
14148
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:42:44 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] fresh water pump
> Streamer's
>
> I am still working on a fresh water pump. Have been instructed to
look
> for a Shurflo. No what gpm should I be looking for? I have a 69 18 ft
> Caravel. Have bath/shower and kitchen. They list from 1 gpm to 5.7 gpm.
> Is noise a problem? What about the Whisper King at 2 gpm?
>
> Thanks
> Dan
> 14148
Hi Dan:
I bought a SHURflo pump a while ago for a separate water system I carry in
the back of my truck. I initially took the pump from inside the trailer
(also a SHURflo) and played around with that for a while. It was a little
over 2 gpm as I recall. Besides supplying water to the trailer while
boondocking, I also wanted to be able to wash down the trailer at the
storage place, where there is no water. Also to fill the water system
before going out (water heater & plumbing).
So I ended up buying a SHURflo washdown pump that is intended to be used for
spraying off boats. It is 3.5 gpm. I put the original pump back in the
trailer. The tank and pump work fine but I don't use them anymore. I have
a 26 gallon flexible bladder tank mounted to a plywood frame that keeps it
from rolling around. The pump is called a Blaster and is very durable and
sealed for outdoor use. It develops enough head to provide a pretty good
spray at the top of the trailer. I plug it into either the cigarette
lighter or the aux 12 port on my pickup.
When using it for trailer water, I just run a hose from the pump to the
normal water inlet at the rear of the trailer. The beauty of this system is
that when the 26 gallons runs out (~2 showers +) I can go get some more
without moving the trailer.
When home, I hang the tank and frame on the garage wall. Works good for me.
Was about $100 for the pump at West Marine. Is pretty quiet, just a little
b-r-r-r-r-t every time it pressures up (to 45 psi).
If you want to see this arrangement looks like, lemme know and I'll email
you a pic or two.
GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA
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