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VAL Digest V2 #202
VAL Digest Wednesday, March 30 2005 Volume 02 : Number 202
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] test
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] test
Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
[VAL] Correction: re: 100 AMPs water heater - tankless
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] test
[VAL] Silver Streak trailers
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] repairs in Mexico
Re: [VAL] test
[VAL] Happy endings
Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
[VAL] Digest archives
Re: [VAL] Wheels and tires for 1960 Traveler
Re: [VAL] Happy endings
Re: [VAL] Digest archives
Re: [VAL] Digest archives
Re: [VAL] Wheels and tires for 1960 Traveler
[VAL] Digest Archives
Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Re: [VAL] Happy endings
Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] Happy endings
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] repairs in Mexico
Re: [VAL] Belize
Re: [VAL] test
Re: [VAL] test
[VAL] Rocker Switches
Re: [VAL] Rocker Switches
Re: [VAL] Happy endings
RE: [VAL] Rocker Switches
Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
[VAL] Bill Jacobs re:water heater - tankless
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:31:29 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] test
Thats Jim! Looking forward to reading all the info and opinions!
Pam in Savannah
JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
Hi pam welcome This is jim smith in Tampa Fl. not realy an expert on
anything but have openions on every thing. Hope your trailer has no real provlems and
you recieve much joy from onership
JIM SMITH
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:36:14 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
Sounds like an awesome trip! What happened in 2000 that went wrong?
Pam in Savannah
JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
With a little luck I am toying about taking (The Silver Abaltross)over land
to Belize my Oct I have a very detailed map left over from my failed trip in
200o
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:49:09 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] test
Thanks for the welcome John. Wellmy plans are to sweat alot and probably loose some
Skin here and there ( mine not the airstreams) and probably say so words Ill have to
later ask for givness for! he he. Well I could not aford an allready refurbished one
so I had to start at the botom with her. So you all will be hearing from me for a long
time!'''
Pam in Savannah
Curent project is stopping all the leaking windows!
"J. Anderson" <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
Hi Pam and Welcome! You will find a lot of help here, and make some
friends too. Tell us about your "new" Airstream and what kinds of
things you plan to do with it.
John Anderson
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:53:38 -0500
From: William Jacobs <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
Tom,
What is the input of the new water heater.
I used a 9 KW unit and it was not big enough.
bill
Tom wrote:
>Well, it was bound to happen after nearly 16 years. Our home water heater by
>A O Smith finally developed a leak as all tank type water heaters eventually
>will do. The A O Smith water heater was the best I could by back in 1989, it
>has a glass lined tank and super insulation which will keep water hot for days
>if you shut the power off.
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:59:53 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
22 KW
Comes in from a double pole, 100 watt circuit breaker off the main panel
Tom
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From: "William Jacobs" <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
> Tom,
> What is the input of the new water heater.
> I used a 9 KW unit and it was not big enough.
> bill
>
>
> Tom wrote:
>
>>Well, it was bound to happen after nearly 16 years. Our home water heater
>>by
>>A O Smith finally developed a leak as all tank type water heaters
>>eventually
>>will do. The A O Smith water heater was the best I could by back in 1989,
>>it
>>has a glass lined tank and super insulation which will keep water hot for
>>days
>>if you shut the power off.
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:20:03 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Correction: re: 100 AMPs water heater - tankless
Correction:
That should have said it's a 22 kw input coming in from the 100 AMP double
pole circuit breaker main panel.
Tom Meeker
> 22 KW
>
> Comes in from a double pole, 100 watt circuit breaker off the main panel
>
> Tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Jacobs" <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
>
>
>> Tom,
>> What is the input of the new water heater.
>> I used a 9 KW unit and it was not big enough.
>> bill
>>
>>
>> Tom wrote:
>>
>>>Well, it was bound to happen after nearly 16 years. Our home water
>>>heater by
>>>A O Smith finally developed a leak as all tank type water heaters
>>>eventually
>>>will do. The A O Smith water heater was the best I could by back in
>>>1989, it
>>>has a glass lined tank and super insulation which will keep water hot for
>>>days
>>>if you shut the power off.
>>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:00:18 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
Transmition gave up 80 miles into Mexico.The other nine made the trip ok
Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:17:50 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] test
Pam if you have to remove the floor tile check for rot if it is not too bad
it can be treated with pinitrating epoxy also at that time I jacked up each
side to tilt the trailer and pored the pinitrating epoxy all along the sider or
the floor so it would seap into yhe channel and seal the floor so it would be
less likely to rot if any further leaks occured check very closly around the
wheel wels there can be provlems there.
HAVE FUN
Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:34:18 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
The following message was posted on my site yesterday by Ben Harper:
___________________________________________________________________
Hello Everyone,
I am sorry for the long absence, but I have been traveling for business and
for pleasure and have just returned in the past few days.
I wanted to let everyone know that the website should be up and running in the
next week or so. I had everything inventoried and all of the Part # and SN #
Recorded to make the process of selling and shipping easier. The web developer
has informed that they will have all of the parts added into the database and
the online store ready for test by end-of-week.
I also want everyone to know that all of the Vintage Trailers have been sold.
A private party bought all of them lock, stock and barrel. All except two
which that I am planning on donating to the Museum of Science and Industry in
Chicago and to Smithsonian for the Americana Display. Both Museums have
accepted the trailers as donations and will build displays centered around
these travel travelers and their period of time in American History.
I will let everyone know when the site is up and running.
Benjamin
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:53:40 -0500
From: Rick Kunath <k9ao@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> With a little luck I am toying about taking (The Silver Abaltross)over land
> to Belize
Jim,
Did you have to do anything special to your trailer... raise the
suspension, or make any other changes to the tailer to handle the roads
down there?
How are the roads?
Rick Kunath
WBCCI #3060
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:53:06 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] repairs in Mexico
Jim, how did you handle getting your transmission repaired in mexico?
Pam in savannah
JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
Transmition gave up 80 miles into Mexico.The other nine made the trip ok
Jim Smith
Be more concerned with your character than your
reputation, because your
> character is what you really are, while your
reputation is merely what
> others think you are." --John Wooden
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:00:10 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] test
My first step was to pull up the carpet the previous owner had laid on top of
the plywood floor. I did not know at this time about the floors or the leaky
windows but suspected the carpet had been put down hastily to make the sell! I
was right. Both ends had holes big enough for my chihuahua to get through lol.
I filled them with the insulation that comes in a spray can and exspands. The
other windows that leak had not damaged the floor yet but defnitly on the way!
I had used clear silicone and sealed the ones I thought were leaking in december
then I was gone for two month and after the recent heavy rains I see I have much
more work to do yet.
Pam in Savannah
JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
Pam if you have to remove the floor tile check for rot if it is not too bad
it can be treated with pinitrating epoxy also at that time I jacked up each
side to tilt the trailer and pored the pinitrating epoxy all along the sider or
the floor so it would seap into yhe channel and seal the floor so it would be
less likely to rot if any further leaks occured check very closly around the
wheel wels there can be provlems there.
HAVE FUN
Jim Smith
Be more concerned with your character than your
reputation, because your
> character is what you really are, while your
reputation is merely what
> others think you are." --John Wooden
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:07:19 -0600
From: "Chaplain Kent" <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Happy endings
Leaves
Some time past I had posted about our Classic Motorhome having the engine fail
at the start of our Florida trip this year. My post mentioned a battle with
the insurance company and here are the results. The engine failure was due to
the wrong oil filter being used when I had the oil changed right before the
trip. The owner of the shop admitted fault and turned it over to his insured,
General Casualty. After four weeks of inaction they turned down the claim
stating the failure was due to a "sudden oil pressure surge." My insured,
American Family then took the case and determined in one week that indeed it
was the oil filter. They have since approved a new engine to be installed in
our motorhome. The adjuster stated that almost any manufacture of a 1982
motorhome other than Airstream would have been considered a total loss with a
$16,000 bill. He did his research and found how rare these Turbo Diesels are
and their value. Plus he is only depreciating the old engine 10% for the
50,000 miles it had on it.
Needless to say I am very happy with American Family Insurance. They stood by
when they really did not have to and now we will have our 1982 Classic on the
road again in short order.
Chaplain Kent
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:17:35 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
That is a happy ending! we dont to hear too many endings like that especially
with a classic rig! Thanks for the name of your ins. Company also. Do you know
or anyone know what companys will insure our classic travel trailers? I am aware
that the towing unit s insurance covers liability while towing but what about
total coverage while its setting still on the trailer itself and contents. Is
theis type of coverage available?
Pam in Savannah
Chaplain Kent <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
Leaves
Some time past I had posted about our Classic Motorhome having the engine fail
at the start of our Florida trip this year.
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:18:11 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Digest archives
The Digests that had been archived on my site have now been restored to the
site, and may be accessed at:
http://www.tompatterson.com/Digests/Digestlist.html, or from the home page of
http://www.tompatterson.com by clicking on trailers, then on Airstream
Trailers, and then on Vintage Airstream E-mail List Digests.
The Digests that now appear are complete and identical to those that were
earlier displayed, except that the e-mail addresses which are contained in
those digests have now been obscured, so that they are worthless to spammers
who might otherwise use them to harvest e-mail addresses.
As you may recall, the digests were removed several days ago, to preclude them
for being used to harvest e-mail addresses. That proved to be a good move, as
a former disgruntled member did in fact use addresses that he had harvested
while on the list to harass other members. He could only use addresses from
postings that he received while he was a member, and could not harvest further
addresses from the digests. Many of you were therefore spared from his spam.
Some of you have missed messages, possibly from full mailboxes. The archived
digests provide a source of past postings. AOL subscribers tend to miss
messages everytime that the AOL system hiccups. These missed messages are
also available in the digests.
In the past, others have complained about editing which I do on the regular
messages that I display on the website. The digests are totally unedited,
except for the obscuring of e-mail addresses, so that those interested in
viewing the complete original messages now have a source.
- -Tom
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:29:11 -0500
From: John Sellers <jsellers@spectra-research.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wheels and tires for 1960 Traveler
Cindy,
I think your 1960 Traveler used the same size wheels and tires as our 1960 Pacer
(16 foot). Our original wheels were in good shape but there was no spare, so
I bought an additional wheel and tire for that purpose.
The wheels are industry size 15X6JJ. Dexter makes (or sells) them and my local
Dexter distributor, Rim and Wheel Service, had them in stock. The counter man
at Rim and Wheel said it was a fairly common size, and was used on late 50s GM
pickup trucks. I wouldn't be surprised if your tire shop can get them for you.
Unfortunately, quality assurance in the aftermarket wheel business is not very
good. On the first wheel I bought the rim was welded to the hub cockeyed. (There
was a good inch of side-to-side runout at the tread diameter.) Rim and Wheel
Service exchanged it without any hassle. (They'd seen the problem before.) The
second wheel was a lot better.
In those days Airstreams used 7.00-15 LT light truck tires and that size is
still avalable, although no longer common. My local tire dealer had Firestone
Trans Rib 7.00-15 LT, Load Range D in stock, and that's what I had installed.
Radial tires are probably better, but I have had no problems with the Firestones
in two years now and about 8,000 miles. That tire is rated for 2040 pounds load
at 60 PSI inflation. Our Pacer probably weighs less than 2,500 pounds loaded so
that's darn near a two to one safety factor.
By all means have the tire dealer install the tires on the trailer, as Airstream
wheel wells are _tight_. (Smaller than the Tire and Rim Manufacturer's
Association standards.) For that matter, let them buy the wheels, if they are
willing to. That way they can handle the problem of getting decent wheels! It
took me several trips to the wheel distributor and the tire dealer to get the
job done.
Good luck! Great to see another "little" Airstream on the road!
John & Barb Sellers
WBCCI/VAC #1587
1960 Pacer
Dayton, Ohio USA
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> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:14:56 -0800
> From: Cindy Hale <chale@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
> Subject: [VAL] Wheels and tires for 1960 Traveler
>
> Hello all,
>
> When I first got my 1960 trailer it had the original split rim wheels
> and very old tires. I opted for used wheels and tires ($40 total) so
> that I could pull the trailer the 10 miles into town for any needed work
> and save the expense of new gear while I worked on the trailer itself.
> Although I've tracked the many varied posts about wheels and tires I'm
> still not clear about what I need. Would you please tell me what you
> suggest for a trailer this size and weight. I'd appreciate it.
>
> I have understood that it's prudent to let the tire person select a
> particular tire within my criteria because the tire business is then
> responsible for the fit in the wheel well... Is that correct?
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:31:20 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Happy endings
> Needless to say I am very happy with American Family Insurance. They stood by
> when they really did not have to and now we will have our 1982 Classic on the
> road again in short order.
> Chaplain Kent
Yipee ! I do LOVE a happy ending !
Daisy
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:35:21 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Digest archives
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Tom.
For all the work you do, and for your good humor when the
list drives over a pot hole !
Daisy
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:48:31 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Digest archives
Tom, a simple thank you is really not enough to express how much I am sure
everyone on the Vintage Airstream List feels about everything you do to
maintain the list. But on behalf on of myself, Thank You.
Don Hardman
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Subject: [VAL] Digest archives
> The Digests that had been archived on my site have now been restored
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:11:29 +0000
From: c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wheels and tires for 1960 Traveler
We just had the wheels and tires replaced on our 1960 Tradewind.It had thesplit rims,
so I just took one of the old wheels to the tire shop, I use a tire service that does
commerical tires as they are about the only ones willing to do split rims. I left the
wheel with them, they matched the wheels, installed the tires, balanced the tire on the
rim and installed them on the trailer for $363.00. That was for 3 rims and 2 tires. I
had a new tire for the spare, as we had a blowout bringing it home. Don't spare expense
when it comes to wheels, tires, brakes or running gear. Blow outs on a single axle are
no fun. Good luck and have fun, Hope to see you on the road.
Regards,
Chuck & Lynn
1965 Overlander
1960 Tradewind
1960 Traveler
- -------------- Original message --------------
> Cindy,
>
> I think your 1960 Traveler used the same size wheels and tires as our 1960 Pacer
> (16 foot). Our original wheels were in good shape but there was no spare, so
> I bought an additional wheel and tire for that purpose.
>
> The wheels are industry size 15X6JJ. Dexter makes (or sells) them and my local
> Dexter distributor, Rim and Wheel Service, had them in stock. The counter man
> at Rim and Wheel said it was a fairly common size, and was used on late 50s GM
> pickup trucks. I wouldn't be surprised if your tire shop can get them for you.
>
> Unfortunately, quality assurance in the aftermarket wheel business is not very
> good. On the first wheel I bought the rim was welded to the hub cockeyed. (There
> was a good inch of side-to-side runout at the tread diameter.) Rim and Wheel
> Service exchanged it without any hassle. (They'd seen the problem before.) The
> second wheel was a lot better.
>
> In those days Airstreams used 7.00-15 LT light truck tires and that size is
> still avalable, although no longer common. My local tire dealer had Firestone
> Trans Rib 7.00-15 LT, Load Range D in stock, and that's what I had installed.
> Radial tires are probably better, but I have had no problems with the Firestones
> in two years now and about 8,000 miles. That tire is rated for 2040 pounds load
> at 60 PSI inflation. Our Pacer probably weighs less than 2,500 pounds loaded so
> that's darn near a two to one safety factor.
>
> By all means have the tire dealer install the tires on the trailer, as Airstream
> wheel wells are _tight_. (Smaller than the Tire and Rim Manufacturer's
> Association standards.) For that matter, let them buy the wheels, if they are
> willing to. That way they can handle the problem of getting decent wheels! It
> took me several trips to the wheel distributor and the tire dealer to get the
> job done.
>
> Good luck! Great to see another "little" Airstream on the road!
>
> John & Barb Sellers
> WBCCI/VAC #1587
> 1960 Pacer
> Dayton, Ohio USA
>
>
> ===============================================
>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:14:56 -0800
> > From: Cindy Hale
> > Subject: [VAL] Wheels and tires for 1960 Traveler
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > When I first got my 1960 trailer it had the original split rim wheels
> > and very old tires. I opted for used wheels and tires ($40 total) so
> > that I could pull the trailer the 10 miles into town for any needed work
> > and save the expense of new gear while I worked on the trailer itself.
>
> > Although I've tracked the many varied posts about wheels and tires I'm
> > still not clear about what I need. Would you please tell me what you
> > suggest for a trailer this size and weight. I'd appreciate it.
> >
> > I have understood that it's prudent to let the tire person select a
> > particular tire within my criteria because the tire business is then
> > responsible for the fit in the wheel well... Is that correct?
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:20:21 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Digest Archives
Now that I have figured out how to obscure the e-mail addresses in the daily
digests, I am prepared to set up a separate search directory for these
digests, so that anyone looking for information in earlier postings will be
able to search the content of these digests. It would be a separate search
from all other information contained on the site, and ought to return much
faster search results.
For anyone who is not aware, there are several search options now available on
my site, which can be accessed by clicking on "Search Site" on the home page
at http://www.tompatterson.com. The databases which contain the information
are presently updated weekly, and are much more comprehensive and up-to-date
than information you will obtain through a search engine such as Google. I am
also considering updating these databases more frequently, perhaps
bi-weekly.
I may also add a separate archive of the old VAC list digests, along with a
separate search directory. I don't have copies of many of these old digests
however, and would appreciate receiving copies from those of you who may have
saved them. Addresses in these digests would also be obscured before posting
them on the site.
Let me know if there is interest in having this information available on the
website.
- -Tom
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:22:11 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Greetings Pam!
Welcome to the world of Vintage Airstream ownership!
_______________________________________________
>Do you know or anyone know what companys will insure our
classic travel trailers? I am aware that the towing unit s
insurance covers liability while towing but what about total
coverage while its setting still on the trailer itself and
contents. Is this type of coverage available? Pam in
> Savannah
- ------------------------------------------------
There are seveal insurance companies that offer "stated
value" or "agreed value" insurance policies for our Vintage
travel trailers. I have had a history with both American
Family (1994-2000 while I was a Wisconsin resident and for a
brief period after relocating to the Quad Cities in
Illinois) and Foremost (from 2000 to the present). In both
instances, my local agent was able to handle the transaction
- - - American Family sent in their own appraiser, and
Foremost asked that I provide an appraisal (my insurance
agent provided a list of acceptable appraisal sources).
There was really only one reason that I left American Family
- - - they evidently aggregate claims and after the third
claim in a three year period (one for wind storm damage on
house and one of my cars, one for an accident with my
Suburban, and one for minor accident damage on my Airstream)
they placed all of my insurance into a high-risk pool where
the premium was four times what I had been paying (needless
to say I immediately changed carriers).
I have been with Foremost for over five years now, and have
been favorably impressed with their operation. I can't
offer any opinioon as to claim handling as I have been claim
free on my travel trailer insurance and auto policies for
more than five years.
Probably the best place to start looking for insurance is
with the current carrier for your automobile coverage if you
have been satisfied with their coverage and responsiveness
to your needs. Ask your agent for details about "agreed
value" or "stated value" coverage for your Airstream -- the
answer to that question will be a first indicator of whether
you will need to expand your search.
Good luck with your investigation!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 07:41:42 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Thanks so much for that very usefull information Kevin! A good place to start
and a few good questions too ask also.
Thanks again
Pam in Savannah
1972 31 ft Airstream Soviern
1966 13 ft Shasta
1977 Chevy Impala Wagon
overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
Greetings Pam!
Welcome to the world of Vintage Airstream ownership!
_______________________________________________
>Do you know or anyone know what companys will insure our
classic travel trailers? I am aware that the towing unit s
insurance covers liability while towing but what about total
coverage while its setting still on the trailer itself and
contents. Is this type of coverage available? Pam in
> Savannah
- ------------------------------------------------
There are seveal insurance companies that offer "stated
value" or "agreed value" insurance policies for our Vintage
travel trailers. I have had a history with both American
Family (1994-2000 while I was a Wisconsin resident and for a
brief period after relocating to the Quad Cities in
Illinois) and Foremost (from 2000 to the present). In both
instances, my local agent was able to handle the transaction
- - - American Family sent in their own appraiser, and
Foremost asked that I provide an appraisal (my insurance
agent provided a list of acceptable appraisal sources).
There was really only one reason that I left American Family
- - - they evidently aggregate claims and after the third
claim in a three year period (one for wind storm damage on
house and one of my cars, one for an accident with my
Suburban, and one for minor accident damage on my Airstream)
they placed all of my insurance into a high-risk pool where
the premium was four times what I had been paying (needless
to say I immediately changed carriers).
I have been with Foremost for over five years now, and have
been favorably impressed with their operation. I can't
offer any opinioon as to claim handling as I have been claim
free on my travel trailer insurance and auto policies for
more than five years.
Probably the best place to start looking for insurance is
with the current carrier for your automobile coverage if you
have been satisfied with their coverage and responsiveness
to your needs. Ask your agent for details about "agreed
value" or "stated value" coverage for your Airstream -- the
answer to that question will be a first indicator of whether
you will need to expand your search.
Good luck with your investigation!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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reputation, because your
> character is what you really are, while your
reputation is merely what
> others think you are." --John Wooden
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:48:17 -0600
From: "Chaplain Kent" <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
----- Original Message -----
From: pamela
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Pam,
Happy to have you join the world of Airstream. I know you will find this
list very helpful, I always do.
We had our 1975 Tradewind insured by American Family. We worked with our
agent to establish a value and then added to to the coverage as we progressed
with the restoration work. The only reason you need an insurance company is if
something happens. My recent experience with the two companies taught me that
lowest rates are not always the best criteria. American Family has me for a
customer forever.
Chaplain Kent
Do you know or anyone know what companys will insure our classic travel
trailers? Pam in Savannah
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:02:39 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Happy endings
Well other than a (little?) stress, sounds like alls well and ends well -
congradulation.
Ken
At 08:07 AM 03/29/05 -0600, you wrote:
>Leaves
>
>Some time past I had posted about our Classic Motorhome having the engine fail
>at the start of our Florida trip this year. My post mentioned a battle with
>the insurance company and here are the results. The engine failure was due to
>the wrong oil filter being used when I had the oil changed right before the
>trip. The owner of the shop admitted fault and turned it over to his insured,
>General Casualty. After four weeks of inaction they turned down the claim
>stating the failure was due to a "sudden oil pressure surge." My insured,
>American Family then took the case and determined in one week that indeed it
>was the oil filter. They have since approved a new engine to be installed in
>our motorhome. The adjuster stated that almost any manufacture of a 1982
>motorhome other than Airstream would have been considered a total loss with a
>$16,000 bill. He did his research and found how rare these Turbo Diesels are
>and their value. Plus he is only depreciating the old engine 10% for the
>50,000 miles it had on it.
>Needless to say I am very happy with American Family Insurance. They stood by
>when they really did not have to and now we will have our 1982 Classic on the
>road again in short order.
>Chaplain Kent
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:04:45 -0500
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Chaplain Kent wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you know or anyone know what companys will insure our classic travel
>trailers? Pam in Savannah
>
>
>
State Farm insures mine.
Dave
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dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:00:21 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
Jim
I'm so pleased to hear you are considering this trip again - last I heard
you thought you would not be able to use the trailer much, so really glad
to hear your able to get out again
Ken Johansen
At 07:00 AM 03/29/05 -0500, you wrote:
>Transmition gave up 80 miles into Mexico.The other nine made the trip ok
>Jim Smith
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:38:20 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
The highways in Mexico for the most part are good in Belize The places that
one wount to pull the trailers are at the worse about like secondary roads in
the US. Haven said that I would not reccommend any thing longer than 30 ft on
my many trips there and staying at my friends place where parking is avalable I
have sseen a number of differnt rigs which have travled over most of Central
America and none have had any thing special done to them.
Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:38:51 EST
From: Dillonvdill@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
Jim,
Did you say you are going next October? I would love to go, I keep hearing
how wonderful Belize is and would rather go with some other people.
P.S. I took my trailer to a local RV repair shop to have some wiring work
done
two weeks ago and on the way home in a dip in an intersection it popped off
the
hitch and rear ended my truck, smashing in the front end of the trailer. I
am heart
broken but the RV shop owner has taken responsibility for not hooking up the
trailer
properly and says he will pay. I just hope he's not all talk and I hope the
trailer
is not totaled because it would be very hard to replace that certain model.
Wish
me luck guys!
Vanessa
1958 Overlander
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:39:57 -0600
From: root <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Happy endings
Its not over yet. Next you have to front for the insurance company when
they sue the shop to recover their coverage cost.
Gerald J. WBCCI #5623, VAC
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 09:02 -0700, Kenneth E. Johansen wrote:
> Well other than a (little?) stress, sounds like alls well and ends well -
> congratulations.
>
> Ken
>
> At 08:07 AM 03/29/05 -0600, you wrote:
> >Leaves
> >
> >Some time past I had posted about our Classic Motorhome having the engine fail
> >at the start of our Florida trip this year. My post mentioned a battle with
> >the insurance company and here are the results. The engine failure was due to
> >the wrong oil filter being used when I had the oil changed right before the
> >trip. The owner of the shop admitted fault and turned it over to his insured,
> >General Casualty. After four weeks of inaction they turned down the claim
> >stating the failure was due to a "sudden oil pressure surge." My insured,
> >American Family then took the case and determined in one week that indeed it
> >was the oil filter.t
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:41:32 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
Ht hs still up in the air depends what arrangements I can make for Mary's
care.I am trying to look at the bright side.
Jim Smith
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:57:15 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] repairs in Mexico
A Mexian mechanic removed the transmition and disambled it and when we saw it
was beyond repair I had both units towed back eo the Dodge dealer in Mc Allen
texas hag to wait 6 days for them to get a replacement in.They did their best
to try to sell me a new truck rather than repair my unit.The trans was out
of the truck and they charged me $1300.00 labor to install the new trans (it is
A manual 5 Speed)So much for being caught by the short hairs by a dealer. the
Mexian mechanic did his best and that only cost me about $75.00.
Jim Smith
1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:19:31 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Belize
Hi Jim:
Well, now that I think about it, I guess I don't want to be on the
road and away from my not-harmless, 73 yr old spouse and 2 goofy dogs
that long. I save that for fishing only, Jim.
On Mar 2005, at 9:03 PM, JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Jo Ann
> Is it the trip or me you are worried about?Rember I am 78 years old
> and
> quite harmless.
> Hoped you would go need some one to teach me how to use that fly rod .
> Jim Smith
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:30:10 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] test
Pam - are you going to replace the entire floor? It can be done without
removing the shell - it worked for me but I'm not sure if all of the
various models would lend themselves to it. One thing that does is
allow you to inspect the frame for rust and to reinforce it if you
decide to add holding tanks - if you don't have them.
Jo Ann
On Mar 2005, at 10:49 PM, pamela wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:31:54 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] test
Jim:
That's a clever idea - tilting the trailer.
jw
On Mar 2005, at 4:17 AM, JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Pam if you have to remove the floor tile check for rot if it is not
> too bad
> it can be treated with pinitrating epoxy also at that time I jacked up
> each
> side to tilt the trailer and pored the pinitrating epoxy all along the
> sider or
> the floor so it would seap into yhe channel and seal the floor
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:17:49 -0500
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Rocker Switches
Any suggestions on where I might find a replacement rocker switch? It is
the beige flush mount switch that is over the lamps over the twin beds.
in my '77 Sovereign.
I have found several that might work, but they are all black. I would
prefer either the original beige or white.
Any pointers or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Dave
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dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:31:18 -0500
From: Roger T McClelland <kc8cix1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Rocker Switches
Hi believe it or not they carry them in Lowes or Home Depot.
Roger
9171
> Any suggestions on where I might find a replacement rocker switch? It is
> the beige flush mount switch that is over the lamps over the twin beds.
> in my '77 Sovereign.
>
> I have found several that might work, but they are all black. I would
> prefer either the original beige or white.
>
> Any pointers or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:37:13 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Happy endings
Chap:
Thanks for getting back to us with the info. It sounds like General
Casualty wiggled out of it - seemed like if you hadn't had your own
insurance, you'd be in a real jam.
Jo Ann
On Mar 2005, at 6:07 AM, Chaplain Kent wrote:
> Some time past I had posted about our Classic Motorhome having the
> engine fail
> at the start of our Florida trip this year....
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:48:07 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <rhightower@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Rocker Switches
You can find them at Mouser Electronics www.mouser.com. Do a catalog search on
switches. I believe the switch is the mini switch size, and can be had in either
black or white. You will need the dimensions of the hole that the switch mounts
in to find the right one.
Bob Hightower
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Dave Lowrey
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:18 PM
> To: VAList
> Subject: [VAL] Rocker Switches
>
>
> Any suggestions on where I might find a replacement rocker
> switch? It is the beige flush mount switch that is over the
> lamps over the twin beds. in my '77 Sovereign.
>
> I have found several that might work, but they are all black.
> I would prefer either the original beige or white.
>
> Any pointers or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
>
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> dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International - Mid Bath
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:20:18 -0800 (PST)
From: pamela <gypsylady624@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Thanks for the welcome everyone! I can tell already I have come to the right place!
Hope to meet you all on the road someday and if you ever pass through Savannah Ill
have a 30 amp for ya and leave the light on!
Pam
Chaplain Kent <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
- ----- Original Message -----
From: pamela
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance coverage
Pam,
Happy to have you join the world of Airstream. I know you will find this
list very helpful, I always do.
We had our 1975 Tradewind insured by American Family. We worked with our
agent to establish a value and then added to to the coverage as we progressed
with the restoration work. The only reason you need an insurance company is if
something happens. My recent experience with the two companies taught me that
lowest rates are not always the best criteria. American Family has me for a
customer forever.
Chaplain Kent
Do you know or anyone know what companys will insure our classic travel
trailers? Pam in Savannah
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reputation, because your
> character is what you really are, while your
reputation is merely what
> others think you are." --John Wooden
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:45:57 -0500
From: William Jacobs <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
Tom,
This will be fine. I always thought my 9 KW was just 1.2 as big as it
should be. I have been using the instant water for about 20 years and
like them very much.
bill
Tom wrote:
> 22 KW
>
> Comes in from a double pole, 100 watt circuit breaker off the main panel
>
> Tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Jacobs"
> <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
>
>
>> Tom,
>> What is the input of the new water heater.
>> I used a 9 KW unit and it was not big enough.
>> bill
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:19:51 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Bill Jacobs re:water heater - tankless
Bill,
Hooked up the new tankless water heater today, have it running at less than
50% of "full speed" and the temp upstairs is almost 120 degrees F.
Downstairs the dishwasher machine will do a fine job at that temp. The
whole house hot water is now almost 120 degrees F.
I'm SO GLAD ! that I took that old water heater out -- it was STILL full of
water, some of it was rusty and I just emptied it the other day but it
back-filled out of all the hot water faucets and baths. What did I find
underneath? LOTS more water and stains on the linoleum floor -- this tank
had been leaking for a while BUT I never knew it until the water came out
from underneath where I could see it.
I would advise anyone to do this before you have an unpleasant surprise one
day -- replace your water heater BEFORE it leaks on your floor and is able
to cause untold thousands of dollars worth of damage. That didn't happen to
me -- I was lucky this time!
I really believe that water heaters should be viewed as needing replacement
at the end of their warranted life if not just before. ALL water tanks WILL
eventually leak and THAT is the time that people usually end up replacing
the tank AND any subsequent damage caused by all that water (which is why
you end up replacing it!). I will do this from now on as preventative
maintenance.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
From: "William Jacobs" <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] water heater - tankless
> Tom,
> This will be fine. I always thought my 9 KW was just 1.2 as big as it
> should be. I have been using the instant water for about 20 years and
> like them very much.
> bill
> Tom wrote:
>
>> 22 KW
>>
>> Comes in from a double pole, 100 watt circuit breaker off the main panel
>>
>> Tom
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