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VAL Digest Monday, March 28 2005 Volume 02 : Number 200
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Airstream Model Typography
[VAL] Re: VAC Logo
[VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
Re: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
[VAL] newsletter??
Re: [VAL] newsletter??
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Re: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
Re: [VAL] newsletter??
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
[VAL] Patti R Re: Tankless Water Heater
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
[VAL] good story here -- not long at all
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:54:15 -0600
From: "Brian Jenkins" <jenkins1924@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Airstream Model Typography
If you watch Ebay, a complete logo will come up eventually. I've seen
several over the past few months. Also check under the salvage yards on the
Airstream links page here:
http://www.airstreamtrailers.com/
Brian
Our 1962 Globetrotter logo is made of a plastic sort of material and
is painted gold. The writing slants upward and it appears to have
been written together (GlobeTrotter). However, on a '64 I saw a
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:57:44 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimondo@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAC Logo
Hey Wayne,
Will you be bringing some of those VAC window stickers to the WDCU CB
Rally? I need one for the new truck.
Thanks,
Patti
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:13:10 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimondo@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
Hi Tom,
You've gotten a lot of responses on how they work in trailers so I
thought I'd add how one I observed worked installed in a house. A
previous friend of mine had the tankless in his Airstream and liked it
so much he put one in his new house. I thought it worked GREAT in the
trailer, constant how water. In his house I observed that it took a
long time for hot water to reach areas of the house away from the
heater. One had to run the water a long time to wait for it to turn
warm. I'm not sure if the problem was resolved. Wasting water can be
important in areas where water is scarce.
Patti
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:45:38 -0600
From: root <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
Plumbing codes (and plumbers) can be a bit obtuse. Often to keep the
pressure up on a long hot water run they will go for a 3/4" pipe and
then put a flow restrictor faucet and shower head at the end.
43.5 feet of 3/4 pipe holds a gallon of water and when you want hot, it
all is wasted, then that gallon gets to cool before you need hot water
again.
Ideally (if the power company or the gas meter can stand the possible
peak loads) one needs a tankless heater for each point that uses hot
water. The closer to the faucet or tub the better.
I'll be using a conventional tank type heater in my new place to avoid
the peak loads and it will be located next to the laundry equipment, 8'
from the bathroom. The kitchen sink will be maybe 25 feet of pipe away.
I figure on a 5 or 6 gallon heater under the kitchen sink to provide
near instant hot water. I'll put an extra insulation jacket on it so it
doesn't loose all that much energy to the surroundings. The small
"mobile home" heater is 1/5 the cost of a tankless heater and won't have
cooled much before hot water from the main heater (in insulated copper
pipes) arrives.
They do sell water circulation pumps to constantly move warm water to
the distant bathroom. One I saw on a TV show used the cold water pipe as
the tepid water return line. An energy waster if there ever was one
because it moves hot water out into the pipe to cool. Then what if you
want COLD water. The cold pipe is full of tepid water... A double
looser.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:54:41 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] newsletter??
>>> Hello All:
>>> I'm trying to locate a copy of the Third Quarter(Qi) 2003 issue
>>> (Vol.1= 10, Issue #3) of the Vintage Advantage Newsletter. It
>>> contains
>>> the second article on the 1954-1957 Airstreams. I didn't get the
>>> newsletter back
>>> then and want to read about the 1954-57 Airstreams and especially
>>> about
>>> the Bubble. I would be happy to pay for a good Xerox copy or
>>> whatever -
>>> I would even "borrow" one, do the Xeroxing and then return to sender.
>>> You can contact me on or off the VAL - jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jo Ann
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:55:44 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] newsletter??
Joann...
Go here and it's in PDF format.
http://www.airstream.net/members/van/v10i3.pdf
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: [VAL] newsletter??
>>>> Hello All:
>>>> I'm trying to locate a copy of the Third Quarter(Qi) 2003 issue
>>>> (Vol.1= 10, Issue #3) of the Vintage Advantage Newsletter. It
>>>> contains
>>>> the second article on the 1954-1957 Airstreams. I didn't get the
>>>> newsletter back
>>>> then and want to read about the 1954-57 Airstreams and especially
>>>> about
>>>> the Bubble. I would be happy to pay for a good Xerox copy or
>>>> whatever -
>>>> I would even "borrow" one, do the Xeroxing and then return to sender.
>>>> You can contact me on or off the VAL - jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jo Ann
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:53:51 -0800
From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Hello Glyn,
Does this pan have a lid with it? I have a couple of extra Revereware
lids, and if one is right for your pan (if it doesn't already have one),
it can go to wherever the pan goes, and they can live happily ever after.
Best regards,
Rik
Glyn Judson wrote:
> All,
>
> Today I'm offering up a 1 1/2 quart Revere Ware sauce pan that I got a
>short while ago and have replaced with another. It's in good usable
>condition and appearance but for a partial crack in the right half of the
>handle. It doesn't compromise the strength or use of it. I have buffed the
>stainless of the pan and the lid to a mirror finish and also hit the copper
>with the wheel too. This pan although used, looks just great.
>
> If you think that you could use this fine pan in your Airstream, let me
>know and I'll send it your way just for the postage.
>
> Normally I pass cargo on to list members if they're the first to
>respond. Let's have a bit of fun this time, I'll send it to the third
>person to email me back. Watch now, no one will want this pan and I'll have
>to spend the rest of the weekend scraping egg off my face. ; - )
>
> Good luck to all,
>
> Glyn Judson
> 1969 Caravel #508
> Santa Monica CA
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:11:42 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Ric,
Thanks for the kind thought but I'm offering the pan and lid together to
whomever steps up to ask for it. So far no one has. This is a lovely 1 1/2
quart pan in darned good shape that would make any Airstream owner proud to
use onboard.
So let me take this opportunity to offer the pan again to the first
person to respond. Surely there's someone out there that would like to give
this pan and lid a new home. If I don't get any takers, it'll go out into
the alley for someone there to take and use.
Remember, the deal is that it's free to the responder. All I ask is that
they agree to cover the modest postage involved in getting it to them. I do
all the work of packaging and running it down to the Post Office.
Only after it arrives on your door and only if your happy with my
offering, do I ask the receiver to look at the postage on the box and to
send me that amount only to my home address that will be clearly marked the
box too.
I have two spare Revere Ware lids too. One fits a 6" diameter pan and
the other fits a 7" pan. Takers anyone?
I also have a bunch of perfectly fine Melamine cereal/soup bowls that
are available. Someone could make a clean sweep of all of it if they need
these items.
C'mon folks, somebody adopt these fine pieces OK? Hey, they're free!
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: Rik & Susan Beeson <rik@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:53:51 -0800
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
>
> Hello Glyn,
>
> Does this pan have a lid with it? I have a couple of extra Revereware
> lids, and if one is right for your pan (if it doesn't already have one),
> it can go to wherever the pan goes, and they can live happily ever after.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rik
>
> Glyn Judson wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Today I'm offering up a 1 1/2 quart Revere Ware sauce pan that I got a
>> short while ago and have replaced with another. It's in good usable
>> condition and appearance but for a partial crack in the right half of the
>> handle. It doesn't compromise the strength or use of it. I have buffed the
>> stainless of the pan and the lid to a mirror finish and also hit the copper
>> with the wheel too. This pan although used, looks just great.
>>
>> If you think that you could use this fine pan in your Airstream, let me
>> know and I'll send it your way just for the postage.
>>
>> Normally I pass cargo on to list members if they're the first to
>> respond. Let's have a bit of fun this time, I'll send it to the third
>> person to email me back. Watch now, no one will want this pan and I'll have
>> to spend the rest of the weekend scraping egg off my face. ; - )
>>
>> Good luck to all,
>>
>> Glyn Judson
>> 1969 Caravel #508
>> Santa Monica CA
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:15:06 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
In a message dated 3/27/2005 8:12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
> Remember, the deal is that it's free to the responder. All I ask is
> that
> they agree to cover the modest postage involved in getting it to them.
I think no one is responding because practically every thrift shop in the
country is full of Revereware pots and pans which are cheaper than the
postage.... and the handles aren't broken.
As you can tell I spend entirely too much time in thrift shops <g>
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:26:21 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
Dr G,
I agree with your thoughts you posted below.
My home plumbing is all copper pipe, no insulation around any of them. My
home is built of 2" x 6" framing so it's pretty warm in the winter and cool
in the summer. We have a 2-story house with an attached 2-car garage. The
lower story has a bigger 'foot print' than the upper level. We have 4
bedrooms and 3 baths, the kitchen and laundry room both have sinks and of
course there is a dishwasher.
I don't have any really long runs of pipe to get hot water to any point in
my home since the piping goes up and down through the centerline of the
house. I won't have any additional problems getting hot water TO an outlet
like a sink or shower, kitchen, etc. I really don't see any problem for me
personally with this new type (to me) of hot water system.
I've talked to others who lived in upstate NY and they had the tankless
heaters and loved them. I have friends in TN who want to know how mine does
because they have the Jacuzzi type of bathtubs that "take forever" to get
enough hot water in, etc.
For me, this will be a great system that is guaranteed for life - my
lifetime I hope! ;) The entire system can be rebuilt onsite, parts can be
FedEx'd overnight as promised, etc.
I am paying no more money for this new tankless system than I would for a
lifetime Whirlpool 50-gallon water heater from Lowe's.
I will be paying LESS money for electricity due the fact that I'm not
keeping a big tank of water 'hot' when there's only 2 of us and our dogs at
home.
I do look forward to about a $25.00 per month or more in savings on my
electric bill.
What's NOT to like -- for me ???
Tom
From: "root" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
> Plumbing codes (and plumbers) can be a bit obtuse. Often to keep the
> pressure up on a long hot water run they will go for a 3/4" pipe and
> then put a flow restrictor faucet and shower head at the end.
>
> 43.5 feet of 3/4 pipe holds a gallon of water and when you want hot, it
> all is wasted, then that gallon gets to cool before you need hot water
> again.
>
> Ideally (if the power company or the gas meter can stand the possible
> peak loads) one needs a tankless heater for each point that uses hot
> water. The closer to the faucet or tub the better.
>
> I'll be using a conventional tank type heater in my new place to avoid
> the peak loads and it will be located next to the laundry equipment, 8'
> from the bathroom. The kitchen sink will be maybe 25 feet of pipe away.
> I figure on a 5 or 6 gallon heater under the kitchen sink to provide
> near instant hot water. I'll put an extra insulation jacket on it so it
> doesn't loose all that much energy to the surroundings. The small
> "mobile home" heater is 1/5 the cost of a tankless heater and won't have
> cooled much before hot water from the main heater (in insulated copper
> pipes) arrives.
>
> They do sell water circulation pumps to constantly move warm water to
> the distant bathroom. One I saw on a TV show used the cold water pipe as
> the tepid water return line. An energy waster if there ever was one
> because it moves hot water out into the pipe to cool. Then what if you
> want COLD water. The cold pipe is full of tepid water... A double
> looser.
>
> Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:30:50 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] newsletter??
Roger - Thank you so much!
Jo Ann
On Mar 2005, at 3:55 PM, Roger Hightower wrote:
> Joann...
> Go here and it's in PDF format.
> http://www.airstream.net/members/van/v10i3.pdf
> Roger
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:30:58 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Hunter,
Maybe you're right but this pan and lid have been buffed by me to a
mirror finish. Now are there any takers? ; - )
Glyn
> From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:15:06 EST
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
>
> In a message dated 3/27/2005 8:12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
>
>
>> Remember, the deal is that it's free to the responder. All I ask is
>> that
>> they agree to cover the modest postage involved in getting it to them.
>
> I think no one is responding because practically every thrift shop in the
> country is full of Revereware pots and pans which are cheaper than the
> postage.... and the handles aren't broken.
>
> As you can tell I spend entirely too much time in thrift shops <g>
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
> http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
>
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
> shit...what a ride!"
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:44:10 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Patti R Re: Tankless Water Heater
Hi Patti,
As it is today my hot water takes just a bit of time to get to the upstairs
bathrooms and the lower story bathroom. The kitchen and laundry room is
near the water heater site and it's hot -- fast -- there.
We get our water from a well on our property, in fact I've got 2 wells but
only one of them is wired to the house. Our deep well is 500 feet deep, the
well pump puts out 21 gallons a minute and the water is only 34' below the
surface where the bedrock is. We can never run our well dry, we've got that
much water on our property and I have never worried about it. We actually
have a water column that measures 466' tall. We have the pump sitting in the
water column at 220', leaving us an additional 246' of depth to drop the
pump should the water table ever get low.
Our water, fresh out of the ground (and is it good tasting!) is at a
constant 62 degrees F, all year long. The fresh water is stored in a tank
that holds 88 useful gallons and it's out in the attached garage in a shop
area all by itself. The water tank stays cool, the water coming in is at 62
degrees F.
The tankless water heater I'm getting has the ability to heat water that is
"less than 50 degrees F" quickly, on their website you can see the charts on
how fast it heats so many gallons and at what temperature, etc. I don't
expect to EVER run out of hot water, we haven't even done that with our A.
O. Smith water heater which had a 10-year warranty but it finally blew out
at almost 16 years.
So, taking all this into consideration (2 people and animals, etc.) I am
very much looking forward to this new system.
One things I won't worry about again is -- a water tank LEAKING in my home.
I never gave it that much thought UNTIL we had this tank leak less than 2
weeks AFTER we returned home from 4 weeks on the road. I would have DIED if
this tank leaked for any part of those 4 weeks and we didn't know it! Can
you IMAGINE the mess I'd have on my hands? No more tanks IN my house for
me.
I am also considering a separate LP water heater for my unattached garage.
This would be a great way to get hot water where I need it, when I need it.
I want to build a dog grooming area for our dogs "out there" soon since I
have the room to do so. My dogs love warm water, cold water makes them and
me shiver. ;) My *portable LP gas hot water system* could be built on
something as simple as a hand-truck. Maybe I'll even give my Excursion the
luxury of a hot bath! ;))))
Tom
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimondo@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Tankless Water Heater
> Hi Tom,
>
> You've gotten a lot of responses on how they work in trailers so I thought
> I'd add how one I observed worked installed in a house. A previous friend
> of mine had the tankless in his Airstream and liked it so much he put one
> in his new house. I thought it worked GREAT in the trailer, constant how
> water. In his house I observed that it took a long time for hot water to
> reach areas of the house away from the heater. One had to run the water a
> long time to wait for it to turn warm. I'm not sure if the problem was
> resolved. Wasting water can be important in areas where water is scarce.
>
> Patti
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:46:18 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
Glyn,
Would it look OK in my 1969 vintage Airstream? Can you send me a picture on
the back channel?
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
> Hunter,
>
> Maybe you're right but this pan and lid have been buffed by me to a
> mirror finish. Now are there any takers? ; - )
>
> Glyn
>
>> From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:15:06 EST
>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
>>
>> In a message dated 3/27/2005 8:12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> Remember, the deal is that it's free to the responder. All I ask is
>>> that
>>> they agree to cover the modest postage involved in getting it to them.
>>
>> I think no one is responding because practically every thrift shop in the
>> country is full of Revereware pots and pans which are cheaper than the
>> postage.... and the handles aren't broken.
>>
>> As you can tell I spend entirely too much time in thrift shops <g>
>>
>> Hunter
>>
>>
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
>>
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
>> body,
>> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
>> shit...what a ride!"
>>
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:31:02 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Revere Ware pan
> Glyn ,
Pan and lid/lids sounds great! Have a small lidless
Revere copper bottom pan somewhere. And I will have Dan send your
outlet soon! P.O. Box #61, St. Elmo, ILLINOIS 62458. Thanks.
Janie Childress
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:35:42 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] good story here -- not long at all
http://www.maliasrv.com/Pages/longstory.html
I came across this link when reading what full-timers do on their voyages.
This really is an inspiration (the name of her rig) to read how to really
enjoy full-timing if you've ever wanted to but had doubts about it.
She does mention a good friend with an Airstream -- maybe he's on this list.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
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