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VAL Digest Thursday, March 17 2005 Volume 02 : Number 189
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] David Pfeffer/Beaverton/IBM is out of the office.
Re: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
[VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
[VAL] If you were wondering
Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
[VAL] Wally's original plans built trailers
Re: [VAL] satellite TV questions
RE: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
RE: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream trailers
Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
RE: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
Re: [VAL] Wally's original plans built trailers
Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream trailers
Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Re: [VAL] satellite TV questions
Re: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
Re: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
[VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
RE: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
[VAL] aerodynamic fuel savings
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
RE: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
[VAL] satellite TV questions
Re: [VAL] satellite TV questions
Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream trailers
[VAL] Bambi wheel clearance
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:32:43 -0700
From: David Pfeffer <pfefferd@xxxxxxxxxx.ibm.com>
Subject: [VAL] David Pfeffer/Beaverton/IBM is out of the office.
I will be out of the office starting 03/15/2005 and will not return until
03/21/2005.
I will be out of the office starting 12/20 returning on 01/03/05.
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:45:25 -0500 (EST)
From: <crankster@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Hello Silver Twinkie Enthusiasts!
I'm still here.... I've been away for an extended weekend and I'm
just now catching up on my e-mail. To all who have responded to my
enquiry...., Thank You Very Much ! ! ! I'll be checking all suggested
websites and hope to find someone qualified and within a reasonable
distance to check furnace and water heater. Any other info and
suggestions are still very welcome. Thanks again.
On the Net,
Brock Shields
- -----------------------------
> Welcome to the list. Best source for running lights is Airstream Dreams.
> http://www.airstreamdreams.com/
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:54:14 EST
From: AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
In a message dated 3/15/2005 11:00:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
My daughter is considering buying a 1985 Ford 250 diesel truck to tow
an airstream from Texas to Washington on the premise that the cost of
the truck is around $900.00, which is cheaper than the one way charge
for a u-haul truck rental, which was her other choice in getting the
trailer there. So if it only makes it to Washington, she still saves
money :) What questions should she ask about the truck? Never having
had a diesel, we don't really know what to ask about them. Any
suggestions
I had an 86 w/4speed man trans.
It had 160k when I sold it and the only issues I had with it was the
Injection pump gave me problems and that engine is notorous for a week head gasket
in the area just above the starter!....there would be a small drip of coolant
coming from that area if that's an issue!
If it has say only 100k onit the gasket should be fine but the pump shoulda
been rebuilt at least once by 100k. Other then those two things it was a
great tower~~~NON turbo so they are not burning rubber but it's a decent long
haul truck!
If the glow plugs and inj. pump are in good shape it will start on the 1st
try...if it's cranky to get started (COLD OR WARM) It may have issues with one
or both systems!
AlanT
Phx AZ
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:36:09 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] If you were wondering
In case anyone was wondering, Bob Kiger was removed from this list after his
comments last night.
- -Tom
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:37:24 -0600
From: "Chaplain Kent" <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
Your comment about the popped up roof sparked a question I have always had.
Why don't they design a sun roof into a trailer or motor home?
Chaplain Kent
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:38:38 -0500
From: Judy Langer <farreach@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Wally's original plans built trailers
Mary,
You make a good point and if I might add;
The Holman's exclusivity could disappear over night if someone comes up
with another set of plans and makes them available to the public. It seems
prudent for them to share the plans (for a price) and to encourage people to
build copies. After all they still have the original and all new ones would
be considered reproductions.
This is the kind of issue where the WBCCI could add value to it's
membership by negotiating a solution, but that probably won't happen.
One last point, if all else fails, one could build a very accurate copy
of this trailer by taking the lines and dimensions off the many pictures
that exist. Like the way boat builders loft lines from existing boats and
then build exact copies. I have not done this, but I know boat builders who
have and I don't think it's illegal.
Rick Langer
'66 GT #3847, VAC
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:37:16 EST
> From: MaryDotson@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Wally's original plans built trailers
>
> I think there are more ways to skin this cat than stealing images of the
> plans...
>
> It seems that the Holmans have a valuable stock of paper, that they own
and
> control--and that is disintegrating. They probably realize that the
paper
> needs stabilization to stop it from falling completely apart. This can be
> rationalized by pointing out that the documentation is a big part of the
trailer's
> value. The family also wants exclusivity. That is perhaps, a tougher
> problem.
>
>
> So, achieving document preservation and making the plans available for
study
> and use are the objectives. Maybe they can be mutually supportive. Why
not
> suggest a deal where the VAC (?) pays for preservation in exchange for
the
> image. Alternatively, what about making the image only available for a
> (perhaps high?) license cost, with proceeds returning to the family.
> Alternatively, make a deal where it's only available for study use for a
certain length of
> time. Or negotiate terms for image release as a bequeathment. Just
> remember, there are many options--and probably one the family could
accept. The
> most important priority now has to be preserving the plans, though.
>
> Anyhoo, that's my 10 cents--good luck!
> Mary
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:54:38 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] satellite TV questions
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] satellite TV questions
>
> I'd be very interested to know what *you* have installed in your RV and
what
> works for you.
Iinstalled the Winegard AS_2003 Satellite installation at the 1st of the
year.
It works great
Here are some links where you can get some more details on the Winegard
AS-2003 automatic satellite system and their other products.
www.Winegard.com
www.talcoelectronics.com
The Winegard support staff are great and very responsive to questions. I
bought the unit from Talco Electronics after doing a lot of cost comparison,
which vary widely. Talco have very good prices and are were very helpful as
well. The new As-2003 has just been up graded with some new electronics and
a sofware update is forthcoming to improve the speed of the satellite
search.
Don
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:11:29 -0600
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
Airstream, does offer an optional sundeck on its largest motorhome (the
Skydeck). The large interior space of the motorhome allowed Airstream to
build a permanent stairway inside the rig. It is quite a system, that
mechanically lowers down flush when traveling yet when up, has bench seating
all the way around the perimeter, a builtin gas grill and an large umbrella.
Airstream got the technology when parent Thor, bought the Skydeck Corp lock
stock and barrel. As SkyDeck offered both a 5th wheel and conventional
travel trailer with the same capability, Thor continues to offer those as
well http://www.skydeckrv.com/fifthwheels.html
david
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Chaplain Kent
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:37 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
Your comment about the popped up roof sparked a question I have always
had.
Why don't they design a sun roof into a trailer or motor home?
Chaplain Kent
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:21:44 -0500
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
3/15/2005 9:39:15 AM, "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>While we're at it, why does Hunter waste 3 lines of precious space on every
>post with this link (which I for one find offensive) and the saying, which I
>find to be quite simply "over the top".
The lady asked you (politely) to crop -- as she repeatedly has done for the list
as a whole. It would be polite/courteous to grant her request
- -- the more so because she is the list owner. Becoming personal, acrimonious,
and argumentative is neither polite nor courteous.
-- Lew #4239
'72 Safari
Stuck in Ohio -- again
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:27:26 -0500
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream trailers
3/15/2005 3:57:49 PM, "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>What
>I'd love to see in production would be a 34' classic aluminum "bullet" where
>the entire side "slides out" to make loads of extra space! I would call this
>the Airstream Double-wide Slide.
>What do you think?
This is sarcasm... isn't it???
-- Lew #4239
'72 Safari
Stuck in Ohio -- again
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:50:27 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
Brian
What year trailer?
I have a manual for my 1973 that shows the wiring diagram.
If it will help let me know and I'll scan it in and send it to you.
Can also send diagram that's pretty much standard now so any tow vehicle with
seven way can hook up to it.
Bobby
Wrom: GDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWW
I am needing a wiring diagrahm of the quick disconnect cord that goes from
the Tow Vehicle to the Trailer. 7 Pin connection
I have seen it , but can't find it.. HELP..
thanks
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:07:39 -0600
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
Opening up the top of an A/S would pose many issues with structural
integrity. While there are ribs installed between the exterior and interior
aluminum skins, the ribs acts only as the framework that holds the inner and
outer skins together, they don't actually carry the forces. It is skin
itself that is the structural framework of the A/S body. Small openings can
be accommodated such as skylights and roofvents as the opening area is so
much smaller than the remaining skin.
Another fun idea would be to see an older Airstream that would have it's top
"popped" up to allow the feel of an atrium inside like in grand hotel
lobbies. Would this be called a top slider? ;)
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:11:26 -0500
From: balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wally's original plans built trailers
If its so important to someone,
I would think some "mid-night" engineering would work.
At the International rally, in the middle of the night,
go out and measure the thing. It would not be hard. The
thing I don't understand is "why"? It's not an Airstream!
Did Wally Byam make it, yes. Are we trying to know/keep
the history of Wally Byam or the Airstream trailer? If
one is doing it for "Airstream" history, I would think
you'd want to go back and do reseach on the guy/company
that Wally "purchased".
Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:32:12 -0500
From: "Brian Brown" <BBrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
got it already , thanks Bobby
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
> Brian
> What year trailer?
> I have a manual for my 1973 that shows the wiring diagram.
> If it will help let me know and I'll scan it in and send it to you.
> Can also send diagram that's pretty much standard now so any tow vehicle
with
> seven way can hook up to it.
>
> Bobby
> Wrom: GDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWW
>
> I am needing a wiring diagrahm of the quick disconnect cord that goes
from
> the Tow Vehicle to the Trailer. 7 Pin connection
>
> I have seen it , but can't find it.. HELP..
>
> thanks
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:43:34 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
> -- the more so because she is the list owner.
>
> -- Lew #4239
>
> '72 Safari
> Stuck in Ohio -- again
Er...Hey Lew:
Tom Patterson may take exception to this statement.
GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:08:36 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
In a message dated 3/16/2005 10:21:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com writes:
> -- the more so because she is the list owner. Becoming personal,
> acrimonious, and argumentative is neither polite nor courteous.
Actually, Tom would be most surprised to hear that I own this list too. <g>
Thanks for the back up though...
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:27:36 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream motorhomes
I have given thought to your points and you would certainly need extra
support. In fact, making a pop-top Airstream would require quite a bit of
extra reinforcement, maybe to the extent of making the ribs out of
extrusions rather than "formed" aluminum done in a stamping process.
I would love to see an Airstream trailer made that did *not* require the use
of an interior skin that today helps the integrity of the unit as a whole as
we know it. It really would be possible to use extruded ribs, the type used
on aircraft today, to bear the load along with one gauge thicker aluminum
skin like the older trailers were made of in years gone by.
While we are at it I'd also like to see Airstream go BACK to using "clad
aluminum" so that the owners of newer trailers could also have them highly
polished as are lots of the vintage trailers we see now and then. Airstream
isn't using a "clad aluminum" today, too bad for us who have to "settle" for
a dull finish compared to the shiny, mirror-like look of the older vintage
trailers.
Anyone hear have Airstream's ear so we can put a bug in there to beg, plead,
etc. with them so they go BACK to using "clad aluminum"? The clad aluminum
does more than look good, it also provides corrosion resistance if you
decide not to polish it with a very thin coating of oxidation which in turn
protects the metal from the environment.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Opening up the top of an A/S would pose many issues with structural
> integrity. While there are ribs installed between the exterior and
> interior
> aluminum skins, the ribs acts only as the framework that holds the inner
> and
> outer skins together, they don't actually carry the forces. It is skin
> itself that is the structural framework of the A/S body. Small openings
> can
> be accommodated such as skylights and roofvents as the opening area is so
> much smaller than the remaining skin.
I wrote:
> Another fun idea would be to see an older Airstream that would have it's
> top
> "popped" up to allow the feel of an atrium inside like in grand hotel
> lobbies. Would this be called a top slider? ;)
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:29:01 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream trailers
Actually Lew, I'm dead serious. Sorry about you being stuck up there. Will
you be unstuck by July 4th?
Tom
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
> 3/15/2005 3:57:49 PM, "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>What
>>I'd love to see in production would be a 34' classic aluminum "bullet"
>>where
>>the entire side "slides out" to make loads of extra space! I would call
>>this
>>the Airstream Double-wide Slide.
>
>>What do you think?
>
> This is sarcasm... isn't it???
>
> -- Lew #4239
>
> '72 Safari
> Stuck in Ohio -- again
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:31:14 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Lew, did you post to the *wrong* owner's list? Just wondering. ;)
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
"Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com> wrote:
>>While we're at it, why does Hunter waste 3 lines of precious space on
>>every
>>post with this link (which I for one find offensive) and the saying, which
>>I
>>find to be quite simply "over the top".
> The lady asked you (politely) to crop -- as she repeatedly has done for
> the list as a whole. It would be polite/courteous to grant her request
> -- the more so because she is the list owner. Becoming personal,
> acrimonious, and argumentative is neither polite nor courteous.
>
> -- Lew #4239
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:35:11 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] satellite TV questions
Thank you for the links, Don. Talco was the site I was visiting yesterday
and I thought their prices were very reasonable. One catch which isn't a
big deal is that to get the wholesale price you *must* sign up as a new
dealer, they give you specific instructions on how to do this.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Iinstalled the Winegard AS_2003 Satellite installation at the 1st of the
> year.
> It works great
>
> Here are some links where you can get some more details on the Winegard
> AS-2003 automatic satellite system and their other products.
>
> www.Winegard.com
> www.talcoelectronics.com
>
> The Winegard support staff are great and very responsive to questions. I
> bought the unit from Talco Electronics after doing a lot of cost
> comparison,
> which vary widely. Talco have very good prices and are were very helpful
> as
> well. The new As-2003 has just been up graded with some new electronics
> and
> a sofware update is forthcoming to improve the speed of the satellite
> search.
>
> Don
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:46:21 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
I'm not aware of any diesel truck made by Ford in 1985 but I trust you are.
She may be in for a big surprise if she ends up "on the side" on the way out
to WA.
Wouldn't she be better to find someone to take the trailer TO her instead?
How many miles is it from here to there?
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:54 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
> In a message dated 3/15/2005 11:00:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
>
> My daughter is considering buying a 1985 Ford 250 diesel truck to tow
> an airstream from Texas to Washington on the premise that the cost of
> the truck is around $900.00, which is cheaper than the one way charge
> for a u-haul truck rental, which was her other choice in getting the
> trailer there. So if it only makes it to Washington, she still saves
> money :) What questions should she ask about the truck? Never having
> had a diesel, we don't really know what to ask about them. Any
> suggestions
>
>
> I had an 86 w/4speed man trans.
> It had 160k when I sold it and the only issues I had with it was the
> Injection pump gave me problems and that engine is notorous for a week
> head gasket
> in the area just above the starter!....there would be a small drip of
> coolant
> coming from that area if that's an issue!
> If it has say only 100k onit the gasket should be fine but the pump
> shoulda
> been rebuilt at least once by 100k. Other then those two things it was a
> great tower~~~NON turbo so they are not burning rubber but it's a decent
> long
> haul truck!
> If the glow plugs and inj. pump are in good shape it will start on the
> 1st
> try...if it's cranky to get started (COLD OR WARM) It may have issues with
> one
> or both systems!
>
> AlanT
> Phx AZ
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:20:46 -0700
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
Tom,
Without being able to pin it any closer, streets and trips pegs the trip
from Houston to Seattle at just about 2450 miles. At a buck a mile
(about the going rate for delivery) that makes an $850 truck
attractive. Even if the trip is from up in the panhandle (Stratford,
TX) to the first town on I84 in WA (Kennewick) its still over 1400
miles. At two bucks a gallon and 10 mpg figure 280 bucks for gas,
couple of hundred for meals and hotels you still break about even, and
have the truck for future use.
As for reliability of the vehicle, that's a crap shoot. But then so is
the purchase of a new tugger to one extent or another.
Just my QDA (quick and dirty arithmetic) take.
FWIW,
Matt
Tom wrote:
> I'm not aware of any diesel truck made by Ford in 1985 but I trust you
> are. She may be in for a big surprise if she ends up "on the side" on
> the way out to WA.
>
> Wouldn't she be better to find someone to take the trailer TO her
> instead? How many miles is it from here to there?
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:54 AM
> Subject: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
>
>
>> In a message dated 3/15/2005 11:00:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
>>
>> My daughter is considering buying a 1985 Ford 250 diesel truck to tow
>> an airstream from Texas to Washington on the premise that the cost of
>> the truck is around $900.00, which is cheaper than the one way charge
>> for a u-haul truck rental, which was her other choice in getting the
>> trailer there. So if it only makes it to Washington, she still saves
>> money :) What questions should she ask about the truck? Never having
>> had a diesel, we don't really know what to ask about them. Any
>> suggestions
>>
>>
>> I had an 86 w/4speed man trans.
>> It had 160k when I sold it and the only issues I had with it was the
>> Injection pump gave me problems and that engine is notorous for a
>> week head gasket
>> in the area just above the starter!....there would be a small drip of
>> coolant
>> coming from that area if that's an issue!
>> If it has say only 100k onit the gasket should be fine but the pump
>> shoulda
>> been rebuilt at least once by 100k. Other then those two things it was a
>> great tower~~~NON turbo so they are not burning rubber but it's a
>> decent long
>> haul truck!
>> If the glow plugs and inj. pump are in good shape it will start on
>> the 1st
>> try...if it's cranky to get started (COLD OR WARM) It may have issues
>> with one
>> or both systems!
>>
>> AlanT
>> Phx AZ
>>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:30:19 EST
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Hello all: I asked this question last week and someone was good enough to
answer but I still need help. I asked where the drain line for the AC comes
out on a 1969 25ft Tradewind. The answer was in the wheel well on the street
side. I can't find it. What does it look like (plastic tube?) and where
about in the wheel well does it come out. This is a tandem axle unit...is it
between the tires, toward the front or rear? If anyone has one of these units,
let me know where your drain line comes out and what it looks
like.....Thanks again.
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:01:53 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Tom,
Sadly I can't help you but am as just puzzled about that tube on my
single axle '69 Caravel. I'm beginning to think that all not Airstreams
were so fitted at the factory. That said, mine never has had an air
conditioner so maybe it was shop practice in the California plant, where
mine was built, to only install the tube in units slated for air
conditioning.
I just came back from the back yard specifically looking for any sign of
that tube, both in the wheel well, in front of and behind it. I couldn't
see even the slightest trace of any tube or hole that might have had it
there at one time.
Hints anyone for Tom & me as to where to look next? Curbside maybe? I
haven't looked there yet.
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:30:19 EST
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
>
> Hello all: I asked this question last week and someone was good enough to
> answer but I still need help. I asked where the drain line for the AC comes
> out on a 1969 25ft Tradewind. The answer was in the wheel well on the street
> side. I can't find it. What does it look like (plastic tube?) and where
> about in the wheel well does it come out. This is a tandem axle unit...is it
> between the tires, toward the front or rear? If anyone has one of these
> units,
> let me know where your drain line comes out and what it looks
> like.....Thanks again.
>
> Tom Fairbank
> 1969 Tradewind
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:15:49 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Glyn,
In our 1969 29' International Ambassador with the original Armstrong a/c the
drain tube comes down through the forward bulkhead on the curbside where the
bedroom (twins) meets the galley.
As you enter our vintage trailer the galley is to the left, then the
bulkhead made of walnut veneer, then the curbside twin bed, then the aft
bulkhead which is also the shower wall on the backside of that same
bulkhead.
As I recall there is a small drain tube that extends *through* the belly
skin, inside of the tires on the curbside. I know it's in the area in front
of or just about in front of the forward axle.
Does this help?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
> Tom,
>
> Sadly I can't help you but am as just puzzled about that tube on my
> single axle '69 Caravel. I'm beginning to think that all not Airstreams
> were so fitted at the factory. That said, mine never has had an air
> conditioner so maybe it was shop practice in the California plant, where
> mine was built, to only install the tube in units slated for air
> conditioning.
>
> I just came back from the back yard specifically looking for any sign
> of
> that tube, both in the wheel well, in front of and behind it. I couldn't
> see even the slightest trace of any tube or hole that might have had it
> there at one time.
>
> Hints anyone for Tom & me as to where to look next? Curbside maybe? I
> haven't looked there yet.
>
> Glyn Judson
> 1969 Caravel #508
> Santa Monica CA
>
>
>> From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:30:19 EST
>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Subject: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
>>
>> Hello all: I asked this question last week and someone was good enough
>> to
>> answer but I still need help. I asked where the drain line for the AC
>> comes
>> out on a 1969 25ft Tradewind. The answer was in the wheel well on the
>> street
>> side. I can't find it. What does it look like (plastic tube?) and
>> where
>> about in the wheel well does it come out. This is a tandem axle
>> unit...is it
>> between the tires, toward the front or rear? If anyone has one of these
>> units,
>> let me know where your drain line comes out and what it looks
>> like.....Thanks again.
>>
>> Tom Fairbank
>> 1969 Tradewind
>>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:17:20 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
I believe that the drain tube is *copper* tubing. I remember running a
12-gauge wire up that tube to unclog the drain one time years ago.
See my post to Glyn for more info.
Tom Meeker
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
> Hello all: I asked this question last week and someone was good enough
> to
> answer but I still need help. I asked where the drain line for the AC
> comes
> out on a 1969 25ft Tradewind. The answer was in the wheel well on the
> street
> side. I can't find it. What does it look like (plastic tube?) and where
> about in the wheel well does it come out. This is a tandem axle
> unit...is it
> between the tires, toward the front or rear? If anyone has one of these
> units,
> let me know where your drain line comes out and what it looks
> like.....Thanks again.
>
> Tom Fairbank
> 1969 Tradewind
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:20:39 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: 85 ford diesel
An $850 truck can easily turn into a $2850 truck by the time the hitch is
repaired or added, brake controller is fixed, tires are replaced to survive
a 2000 mile trip, and its repaired enough to pass the inspection needed
for licensing. Things like windshields are hard to find for that vintage and
older that aren't cracked. Bearings and brakes can run up a big bill
whether at the start or after towing off a mountain top midway through
the trip. A water pump failure is a pain to fix on the road, and if not fixed
can lead to scrapping the engine. Old rubber parts fail without much
further abuse and can be instantly damaging.
Based on my friend's experience with bigger gasoline trucks, the fuel
mileage might not get up to 10 mph, loaded it might be more like 6 or 7.
I started out a trip with mom and their trailer once having spent half a
week inspecting their (98,000 mile) tow vehicle from top to bottom and
replacing suspect parts. The first 100 miles out, I replaced the water
pump, and the next day I replaced the thermostat when it stuck closed.
A couple thousand miles later it had a distinctive 5 chugs and a chuff as
if rings or a valve in one cylinder had been damaged by the cooling
system failures. It did run another 40 thousand before the floor boards
rusted out even with that 5 cylinder power.
I'd want to drive that truck for a week, hard and gentle and see what
else might break on the road. It could take nearly that long to get the
details taken care of anyway. I picked up a '65 F350 years ago planning
to use it for hauling home bargain building materials. It did that some
times, but other times it wasn't enough truck to haul them home. And
driving it a hundred miles turned into work (to say nothing of the tire,
brake, radiator, cab, bed, axle, alternator, water pump, fuel pump, and
wiring problems). It is sitting dejected these days because my 1/2 ton with
a good flat bed trailer will haul more and is more easily loaded (but not
more easily unloaded, the 350 having a hoist on its flat bed). I've only had
to tow the 350 twice when I couldn't fix what went wrong on the side of
the road. It got 9 mpg unloaded so long as I kept it down to 50. At 65 it
lost 1 mpg.
Gerald J.
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:52:58 EST
From: Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Tom,
I have a 69 Overlander and it came out just below the bulk head on the
curb side. The tube was plastic and extended thru the floor and belly pan.
Our unit has a curb side galley, as you stand facing the sink the drain is to
our immediate right.
I replace my Armstrong A/C 2 years ago, but I never removed the hose or
the elbow that connected from it to the bottom of the old unit.
If it will help I can send you a picture of the location. Mine is hidden
behind the draw curtain at the beginning of the hall way. Again because it
is so well hidden, I simply left it in place.
Martin and Rachel Hughey
WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
1969 International and 1961 Bambi
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:17:30 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
Before I bought my old Airstream, I looked at Alaskan truck campers.
They had a really nifty "cassette toilet" that they used in one of
their models. It was a sort of Porta Potty that snapped onto one of the
blue tanks. The blue tank could then be removed from the outside of the
camper and wheeled to the restroom or dump site. I'm not sure if
there's a picture of it at the Alaskan website but it was a clever
solution for having a toilet in a small space without a black tank per
se.
Jo Ann
On Mar 2005, at 9:03 PM, Jim Stewart wrote:
> Those old toilets are usually easy to remove. Perhaps a porta pottie
> could be temporarialy put in its place when hook ups are not
> available.... just a thought. The toilet in my Bambi comes out with 2
> bolts.
>
> Jim
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:38:21 -0700
From: "Forrest McClure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Tom,
Everyone who is telling you where their drain tube is has or had an original
Armstrong A/C installed at the factory. That is why they have a built in
drain tube. For rigs that were not equipped with an A/C at the factory, when
they were built, there will be no drain tube pre-installed until 1970. So,
your Tradewind is, unfortunately, one year short of when Airstream began
preinstalling drain tubes. Sorry, but I am in the same boat as you with my
'66 GT and '66 Overlander, neither one had a factory installed A/C, and so
neither has a pre-installed drain tube.
Forrest
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:50:56 -0600
From: Dean L <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
Sorry, Thought you were talking about the "Break away"
Did you see the post from "Overlander64 " on the 14th ?? That will show
you what you want...
Dean
On Mar 14, 2005, at 8:31 PM, Brian Brown wrote:
> Dean.
>
> I need the wiring diagrahm that shows all the wires into the adapter
> that plugs into the trailer from the truck. Encluding all the lights,
> and brake controller power lines.
>
> It's the circular picture/diagrahm.
>
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean L" <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] need wiring diagrahm..
>
>
>> It is simple... Just run it from the "Battery Charge Line" in your
>> connecter through the emergency cord to pin 7 .. When you pull the
>> pin if your hitch breaks it will apply 12 VDC from your trailer
>> battery to the breaks.. Full Stop... So do't ever pull the pin out
>> or your breaks may burn out and your battery will die.. Put the pin
>> back in to reset and make normal.
>> Dean
>> On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Brian Brown wrote:
>>
>>> I am needing a wiring diagrahm of the quick disconnect cord that
>>> goes from the Tow Vehicle to the Trailer. 7 Pin connection
>>>
>>> I have seen it , but can't find it.. HELP..
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:53:30 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Tom,
Thanks for the help but I can now tell you for certain that this boy's
Caravel has no such tube, copper, vinyl or otherwise. Again I just came in
from climbing around under the curbside too and it just ain't there. I even
examined the wheel well on both sides too.
Thanks anyway but I'm now convinced that they weren't fitted to every
Airstream.
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:15:49 -0500
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
>
> Glyn,
>
> In our 1969 29' International Ambassador with the original Armstrong a/c the
> drain tube comes down through the forward bulkhead on the curbside where the
> bedroom (twins) meets the galley.
>
> As you enter our vintage trailer the galley is to the left, then the
> bulkhead made of walnut veneer, then the curbside twin bed, then the aft
> bulkhead which is also the shower wall on the backside of that same
> bulkhead.
>
> As I recall there is a small drain tube that extends *through* the belly
> skin, inside of the tires on the curbside. I know it's in the area in front
> of or just about in front of the forward axle.
>
> Does this help?
>
> Tom
> WBCCI 5303
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glyn Judson" <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
>
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Sadly I can't help you but am as just puzzled about that tube on my
>> single axle '69 Caravel. I'm beginning to think that all not Airstreams
>> were so fitted at the factory. That said, mine never has had an air
>> conditioner so maybe it was shop practice in the California plant, where
>> mine was built, to only install the tube in units slated for air
>> conditioning.
>>
>> I just came back from the back yard specifically looking for any sign
>> of
>> that tube, both in the wheel well, in front of and behind it. I couldn't
>> see even the slightest trace of any tube or hole that might have had it
>> there at one time.
>>
>> Hints anyone for Tom & me as to where to look next? Curbside maybe? I
>> haven't looked there yet.
>>
>> Glyn Judson
>> 1969 Caravel #508
>> Santa Monica CA
>>
>>
>>> From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:30:19 EST
>>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>> Subject: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
>>>
>>> Hello all: I asked this question last week and someone was good enough
>>> to
>>> answer but I still need help. I asked where the drain line for the AC
>>> comes
>>> out on a 1969 25ft Tradewind. The answer was in the wheel well on the
>>> street
>>> side. I can't find it. What does it look like (plastic tube?) and
>>> where
>>> about in the wheel well does it come out. This is a tandem axle
>>> unit...is it
>>> between the tires, toward the front or rear? If anyone has one of these
>>> units,
>>> let me know where your drain line comes out and what it looks
>>> like.....Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Tom Fairbank
>>> 1969 Tradewind
>>>
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:55:34 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Forrest,
You 'da man, thanks for clearing away the fog. That's why mine has none
either, given that mine never had air conditioning.
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: "Forrest McClure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:38:21 -0700
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: RE: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
>
> Tom,
>
> Everyone who is telling you where their drain tube is has or had an original
> Armstrong A/C installed at the factory. That is why they have a built in
> drain tube. For rigs that were not equipped with an A/C at the factory, when
> they were built, there will be no drain tube pre-installed until 1970. So,
> your Tradewind is, unfortunately, one year short of when Airstream began
> preinstalling drain tubes. Sorry, but I am in the same boat as you with my
> '66 GT and '66 Overlander, neither one had a factory installed A/C, and so
> neither has a pre-installed drain tube.
>
> Forrest
>
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:22:27 -0800 (PST)
From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] aerodynamic fuel savings
Engineers at Georgia Tech studied methods for
improving the fuel efficiencly of full-size
tractor-trailers. They concluded that rounded corners
could indeed be helpful in this regard:
"The aerodynamic improvements produced by geometry
changes, which generate fuel savings of as much as
6-7%, involve rounding aft trailer corners, installing
fairings, and making other changes that smooth air
flow over the boxy trailers."
"The improvements could also enhance braking and
directional stability."
Now I know that most of you are probably saying "duh!"
right about now. But, the next time you want to
debate the point with the owner of SOB, you'll have
the science to back it up. ;)
Here's a link to the article for the technology-minded
among us.
http://www.isa.org/Content/ContentGroups/News/20051/January23/Trucks_get_fuel_efficiency_boost.htm
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:43:39 EST
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Thanks for all the information. I am at work so I can't get out and look at
the trailer. When I get home tonight I will check out the curb side looking
for a copper tube. As far as I know, I bought this trailer from the second
owner. The original owner did not add AC and the manual (I believe)
describes this unit with factory Armstrong AC. I will have to check the manual
again to make sure this is the case. If there is no factory installed drain for
the AC....where does the water from the drain pan go? If the AC was
installed by someone other than the factory, don't they include a drain line? I
guess if they do...it could be anywhere. Aren't these trailers fun!
Thanks again for the help
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind (with AC drain directly on the carpet in the middle of the
trailer)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:46:19 EST
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Martin: A picture would help. Please send to _tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com_
(mailto:tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com) and thanks for going to the trouble.
Tom
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:56:05 -0500
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Tom,
I have a '68 with an armstrong AC installed but it didn't have a drain
installed between the skins. The PO ran a copper tube from the side of the
pan in the interior of the trailer to the street side wall between the
kitchen and the bedroom. It then goes down the wall through the floor to
the outside of the trailer. Doesn't look original, but doesn't really look
bad either. Since I had the line going across the trailer just aft of the
kitchen walls, I added a 1x2 across the opening which hides the line and
gave me a way to install a folding door. I also hid the drain line in the
kitchen inside a piece of wood trim I cut out to accept the drain line. Let
me know if you want some pictures.
Pete
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:44 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Drain tube from AC
Thanks for all the information. I am at work so I can't get out and look
at
the trailer. When I get home tonight I will check out the curb side
looking
for a copper tube. As far as I know, I bought this trailer from the
second
owner. The original owner did not add AC and the manual (I believe)
describes this unit with factory Armstrong AC. I will have to check the
manual
again to make sure this is the case. If there is no factory installed
drain for
the AC....where does the water from the drain pan go? If the AC was
installed by someone other than the factory, don't they include a drain
line? I
guess if they do...it could be anywhere. Aren't these trailers fun!
Thanks again for the help
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind (with AC drain directly on the carpet in the middle of the
trailer)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:09:02 -0700
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] satellite TV questions
Tom, the answer to these questions is actually quite easy. I'm a satellite
buff with multiple systems at home and on my Overlander. I take my satellite
programming with me wherever my Airstream goes and enjoy my back home locals
and
distant programming. Here are your options:
1. Either Dish Network or DirecTV are good solutions for your need. It
sounds like you have cable at home. If you call either of the providers
above, they will offer you nearly free or free equipment and installation at
home to replace your cable programming. Either of the satellite services
provide all cable programming with the possible exception of small,
community local networks. In that case either use antenna or retain basic
cable services.
2. Once you have satellite installed at home, take your RV to one of the RV
shops that install sat dish systems. Camping World does so, as do others. If
you are handy, you can DIY, as I did. The self tuning systems are pretty
slick but complex, so you'll want a pro to install that system.. I like to
fiddle, so manually tune my dish from inside. Doesn't take long but not for
the technically challenged.
For cable, use RG-6 cable, not RG-59 which is for TV. Pull new cable; your
a/s won't have RG-6.
3. Now the fun part. Because you have an RV with Sat dish installed on the
roof, you are eligible from either of the Sat providers to obtain an RV
Exemption which allows one to receive network stations from distant cities.
Go their web sites for the form.
Thanks to our Congress who were heavily lobbied by the major networks and
passed the Satellite Home Viewers Act a few years ago, the home based
satellite viewer can only view local network programming. Local Nets have
the power to deny citizens the right to view other distant nets.
I have the RV exemption through DishNetwork so receive networks from New
York, LA and Denver, my home town. I could have also received distant Nets
from Chicago or Atlanta, but only two. I chose NYC and LA for time shifting.
Those five city Nets above can be received throughout the 48 states and
parts of Canada and Mexico.
If you have an HDTV, you can also receive HD programming from the two Sat
services, so the right flat panel display will allow viewing this stunning
programming while on the road or home. I would recommend with the Free
install to take the upgraded HDTV receiver which is usually free. It will
also display on a standard TV, so you'll be set either way. More and more
programming is being offered in HDTV with the Networks offering the most. I
currently can view over 40 HDTV channels from satellite and off the air.
I haven't installed a HDTV display in my Overlander, but the solution would
be simple. Prices for LCD displays that can display HDTV, have come down
dramatically so they are now affordable. It's on my to do list.
I'd be happy to answer any other questions you might have.
Randy Unter
'66 Overlander
'73 Sovereign
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:23:34 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] satellite TV questions
After returning home from almost 4 weeks on the road with our Airstream we
have decided that we really _did_ miss having our daily fix of cable news,
educational programs, etc.
So, I am now in the market and trying to do a very thorough job of searching
out all the possible options so that our next trip will be more complete
with
a satellite TV connection which makes us feel like we are at home but our
"living room" changes on a frequent basis by changing the location where we
park the Airstream.
I'd be very interested to know what *you* have installed in your RV and what
works for you. I recently found a website which I will post about later
into
this discussion. It seems that anyone can sign up and become a "partner"
and
be eligible for "wholesale prices" for satellite TV products like antennas,
signal finders, etc.
I'm leaning towards installing a motor-driven satellite dish that will also
be
able to receive local TV programming along with satellite programming from
the
same antenna which is made by Winguard (sp?). I've also done lots of
reading
about the *necessary* satellite TV cable that needs to be installed in your
RV
which is *not the same* as the cable that comes with the RV for simple
"cable
TV and local TV programs". Seems that the real cable needed for satellite
signals MUST be installed in the RV lest you chance losing the satellite
signals whenever conditions are not "ideal".
So, what do you have and would you do it all over again if you had to? If
not, why not?
Thanks!
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:34:49 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] satellite TV questions
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> 3. Now the fun part. Because you have an RV with Sat dish installed on the
> roof, you are eligible from either of the Sat providers to obtain an RV
> Exemption which allows one to receive network stations from distant
cities.
> Go their web sites for the form.
Randy, do you pay extra for the network stations?
Thanks
Don Hardman
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:09:04 -0500
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: WBCCI acceptance of other trailers
3/16/2005 1:43:34 AM, "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>Tom Patterson may take exception to this statement.
Sorry, wrong list -- I wrote without looking at the header -- so my apologies to Tom.
But that doesn't change the main point.
-- Lew #4239
'72 Safari
Stuck in Ohio -- again.
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:12:29 -0500
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] plans for new Airstream trailers
3/16/2005 8:29:01 AM, "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>Sorry about you being stuck up there. Will
>you be unstuck by July 4th?
If so, I will be on my way to the UP.
-- Lew #4239
'72 Safari
Stuck in Ohio -- again.
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:52:40 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Bambi wheel clearance
I'm planning on putting 14" wheels on my '61 Bambi, but I'm concerned about
wheel clearance. What should the mininum be from the top of the tire to the
wheel well?
thank you,
Jim
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