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VAL Digest V2 #183
VAL Digest Friday, March 11 2005 Volume 02 : Number 183
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] Tonights While you were out
Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
Re: [VAL] Tonights While you were out
[VAL] Wheel & tie question
[VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon- not for me, Thanks
[VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Re: [VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
RE: [VAL] '63 Overlander New Axle with Disc Brakes
Re: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Re: [VAL] Wheel & tire question
Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
Re: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Re: [VAL] Wheel & tie question
RE: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
[VAL] Argosy Minuet
RE: [VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
RE: [VAL] Re: antenna crank
Re: [VAL] Wheel & tie question
Re: [VAL] Argosy Minuet
[VAL] "Favorites" list
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Re: [VAL] Argosy Minuet
[VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
RE: [VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
Re: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
RE: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Re: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Re: [VAL] "Favorites" list
RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
[VAL] lamp
Re: [VAL] lamp
Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Re: [VAL] lamp
RE: [VAL] lamp
Re: [VAL] lamp
Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
RE: [VAL] "Favorites" list
RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Re: [VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
RE: [VAL] lamp
RE: [VAL] lamp
RE: [VAL] lamp
Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
RE: [VAL] lamp
RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
RE: [VAL] lamp
Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
RE: [VAL] lamp
RE: [VAL] lamp
RE: [VAL] lamp
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:57:15 -0500
From: "Wally" <maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tonights While you were out
Jim,
I agree. I couldn't believe I sat through it. I think the look on the
husband's face when he saw it spoke volumes. He didn't seem all that
impressed and neither was I. I like how the ebay description claims " A
new subfloor...". I saw one new piece of plywood by the entry door. They
turned this Airstream into nothing more than a guest house.
Wally
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [VAL] Tonights While you were out
> To night I sat through the While You were out Program and watched a group
> of
> idiots who were neither craftsman or comedians Realy screw up a perfactly
> good
> Airstream. Meby I am too critical.
> Jim Smith
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:38:09 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
William Kerfoot wrote:
> Dr. Gerald,
>
> So therefore, my batteries are not being charged. How do I determine
> what is at fault? ie, bad connection or faulty univolt?
>
> Inept in electrical, ept in mechanical.
Bill,
I see by your vehicles that you are a man of taste and
distinction. Perhaps this will help. The Univolt is kind of
like a Dodge Powerwagon: Gutsy and strong, but notabley
lacking in subtly and finesse. I hear the newer Univolts
are a little more obliging but basically they exaust the
batteries like the way the Dodge will destroy your back
after an hour on bad roads. The Intellipower
charger/converter would be more like the Cadillac, babying
the batteries with "gourmet" charging that will keep them
happy for years.
If you think this messing and worrying with batteries is
tiresome, then get the Intellipower and Charge Wizard, get
yourself Ultima 's sealed batteries and be done with it. Did
that three years ago and have totally ignored that system.
Now, let me see if I can get some LED's into the back of my
pantry shelves....
Daisy
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:43:30 EST
From: Dillonvdill@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tonights While you were out
I too thought it was a disgrace. They tore up pefectly good cabinets and
appliances that I'm sure some of us could have used and wasted our time with a
shallow cast of airheads doing highschool highjinx most of the time. And the
poor husband looked shocked rather than happily suprised after they were
through. I'm sure he wondered what he's going to do now with out a bathroom or
kitchen in his Airstream. I don't think these two impulsive newlyweds will be wed
much longer.
Vanessa
1958 Overlander 26'
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:51:03 +0000
From: c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Wheel & tie question
We are purchasing a 1960 Airstream Tradewind. It will need new tires for the trip home.
Our question is do all the 60's Airstreams use the six lug, 51/2 center ,"0" offset,
2600 # rated rims?
Thanks,
Chuck & Lynn
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:02:13 -0500 (EST)
From: <crankster@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Hello Airstream Enthusiasts,
My name is Brock Shields from Wagoner, OK (Somewhat N.E. corner of OK,
30 mi. E. of Tulsa and 18 mi. N of Muskogee.
An Okie almost from Muskogee... :-) .
I've had for about a week now, a 1973 Excella 500. In my surfing the
Net, I've come across the name of Helen Davis. A self-appointed
national archivist for Airstream Owner & Shop Manuals (She very much
chuckled when I referred to her as such). I hope to have those manuals
tomorrow. What I've not found on the Internet is a source of NOS or
authentic reproduction parts, specifically for the '73 Excella 500.
There is nothing major wrong with the camper but there are a lot of
little things. One item that is suspect is the burner unit on the water
heater. Any help from the list for all parts to all components both
cosmetic and mechanical will be most appreciated. The camper also needs
a few running light lenses and a new front awning, etc. etc....
On the Net,
(and hopefully soon running down the road in the Silver Twinkie),
Brock Shields
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:10:47 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Goodyear Marathon- not for me, Thanks
I've heard good things about Coopers as well
Ken
At 08:54 PM 03/09/05 -0800, you wrote:
>I just found the link.
>http://www.coopertires.com/us/en/
>ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=SUV&id=220#sizesAndSpecs
>Looks like a nice tire. Does anyone have any experience with Cooper's
>trailer tires?
>
>
>On Wednesday, March 9, 2005, at 08:20 PM, JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>
>>I have had excellent luck with Cooper tires FDont know if they are
>>made in
>>all sizes.
>>Jim Smith
>>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:27:59 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
The little round light outside the front door on my 1966 Safari finally gave
up the ghost. The bulb, of course, is blown . . . but now there is hole
burned in the plastic fixture itself.
I recall that these used to be available as stock replacement. Does anyone
know the source? Also, has anywone had luck putting a smaller watt bulb
that won't heat up the fixture so much.
The housiing is round chrome with Signal-stat E-36 printed on it.
Thanks
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean L [mailto:dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:17 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
>
>
> If you are only running 2000 watt inverter then get with someone that
> can wire a second fuse box and just use the inverter and its fuse box
> to feed you low wattage load. Also you can use a single pole / double
> throw 20 amp switch to change between the inverter and shore power.
> You can buy that switch very cheep at most any hardware store. It is
> called a 3 way switch and is use to control the lights from both ends
> of your hallway.
> Dean
>
> On Mar 9, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Dan Childress wrote:
>
> > Bob
> > I am over engineering. My caravel is all electric. I believe that
> > I will settle in the 2000 watt area. Wiring question. When using an
> > inverter must the inverter's power go thru an inverter only circuit?
> > Or is there a switching whereby all 110 can be run through the main
> > 110 breaker box? Sure would be nice if when the shore power was
> > disconnected that the entire camper would switch over to the inverter.
> > I understand that the inverter could not carry everything at once but
> > it would make wiring easier.
> >
> > Dan
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:38:54 EST
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:09:39 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
Univolts tend to overcharge batteries, much worse when the trailer is
stored but powered. When the water level gets below the tops of the
plates, the exposed area if it gets dry it overheats and may never work
again.
The solid state "UNIVOLTS" DO NOT OVERCHARGE, as some owners state.
They reference the "OLD" style univolts when they make that comment.
It's interesting how some people "damn" a product from many years ago, and
compare it to another current brand of charger. Fair, I don't think so.
Lets compare like with like, always, as a matter of fairness, especially to
the new comers.
I have yet to see on any Airstream site, where someone has a specific gripe
about the current Airstream univolt that has been in use for many years.
Granted, the old univolts had problems, but the new univolts do not. The old
one's also had a hum, the new do not.
Andy
Inland RV Center, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:58:35 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
Greetings Bob!
> The little round light outside the front door on my 1966
> Safari finally gave up the ghost. The bulb, of course, is
> blown . . . but now there is hole burned in the plastic
> fixture itself.
>
> I recall that these used to be available as stock
> replacement. Does anyone know the source? Also, has
> anywone had luck putting a smaller watt bulb that won't
> heat up the fixture so much.
>
> The housiing is round chrome with Signal-stat E-36 printed
> on it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Kiger
>
The last time I was at my favorite Airstream dealer (October
2004), the lense or the entire fixture was readily
available. I purchased a pair of spare lenses as well as
one entire fixture - - the prices were quite reasonable.
You might try contacting either Florence or Christy in the
Parts Department at the link below:
http://www.acefogdallrv.com/contact.html
The part is not listed in their on-line catalog, but it has
been available in their parts department/accessory store
each time I have visited the dealership.
Good luck with your search!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:06:09 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] '63 Overlander New Axle with Disc Brakes
Greetings Uwe!
> Dear Kevin,
>
> I finished my axle installation last week, and I must say
that I am very pleased with the way everything turned out. I
am still waiting for Dexter's new electro-hydraulic
actuator, but it should be here within 2 weeks time. I am
waiting for the new model, as it is more flexible as to
which brake controller it accepts. The new one supposedly
works with 90% of the controllers on teh market, including
the prodigy. The brakes are massive, with 4-piston calipers
and as far as I can tell, near perfect balance.>
> Please let meknow if you want teh specs for these axles.
They are a specialty item, not in Dexter's regular catalog.
I would be happy to help you save MUCH money by giving you
this information, or ordering the axles for yo and having
them shipped right to Ace Fogdall. The savings might make it
possible for you to do your axle repalcement much sooner.
Feel free to call me at 714-538-1285 during Cal bus hours if
you want to explore this option further.>
> Best wishes! Camping season is starting agin. i can't
wait!
>
> Uwe
>
> =====
> Uwe Salwender
> Orange, CA.
>
Thanks for the update!
I am still on-track for 2006 timeframe as graduate school is
taking most of my available dsicretionary resources this
year. It sounds like the Dexter option may be a possibility
and I'll keep your generous offer in mind.
Again, thanks for the update!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:12:16 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Running light lenses are standard Grote parts should be available at any
auto parts store (or truck stop).
Awnings may be standard RV parts also as are the little bits of the
appliances. Though one company is better than the rest for Airstream
awnings because they recognize the curve of the sides. Others will have
to supply their name. I have no awnings.
Some of the RV stores specializing in Airstreams carry NOS and
reproduction parts, though at least one thinks they are made of gold
instead of zinc.
I've been through Wagoner many times, on my trips from Allen Texas to St.
Louis up and down US 69. But not in the past 30 years. I'd probably not
recognize a foot of that old 2 lane road.
Gerald J.
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:12:23 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wheel & tire question
My '68 Caravel uses a 5" wide rim, 4-1/4" bolt circle, 2-5/8" pilot hole, 3/4"
offset wheel.
Airstream was never generous with the size of the wheel wells.
That lack of generous wheel well often means that a modern tire and
wheel won't fit even though the tire exchange list says they should. Many
of us or our ancestors have made multiple trips with rims and tires to the
tire store to find a set that fit. Its best to tow gently to the nearest tire
store and let them fit a tire. Or go with a radial that doesn't swell so
much. I gained an inch of wheel well clearance (from virtually none,
rubbing sometimes) by making that change from bias ply to radial.
Rim load rating is a serious consideration. Many car rims won't hold up to
a load range D or E tire.
Gerald J.
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:12:29 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
If the Univolt runs the lamps on shore power and the battery runs those
same lights after its charged by the tow vehicle or a separate battery
charger there's not likely a bad connection.
It seems more of a problem of low voltage from the Univolt. To check
that you need a reasonably good voltmeter. 12 volts from the Univolt will
hardly charge the battery, charging needs more than 13.5 volts, and
preferably 14.2 volts. The Univolt tends to provide higher voltage to over
charge the battery. When it doesn't its broken. And Univolts do break.
The wiring should have the same voltage at the Univolt and the battery.
That's another check for an open circuit but so long as either Univolt or
battery runs the lamps, there's not such an open circuit.
Another check for an open is to check the voltage between the Univolt
and the battery positive terminal.
One item of regular battery care is post cleaning. The fumes carry some
acid and that corrodes the connections. Auto stores and departments
carry battery post cleaning brushes with internal and external wire
brushes. Its good to apply these a couple times a year until the lead
shines, then coat the connection with Vaseline or spray with battery post
protection paint.
I check other wire connections by a tug test. Its not a good electrical
connection if its not solid mechanically, so I just tug. If the wire moves, its
a bad connection, then its open.
Gerald J.
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:24:57 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New Member With Many Questions:
Greetings Brock!
Welcome to the List and the world of Vintage Airstreaming!
> Hello Airstream Enthusiasts,
> My name is Brock Shields from Wagoner, OK (Somewhat
N.E. corner of OK, 30 mi. E. of Tulsa and 18 mi. N of
Muskogee.
> An Okie almost from Muskogee... :-) .
> I've had for about a week now, a 1973 Excella 500. In
my surfing the Net, I've come across the name of Helen
Davis. A self-appointed national archivist for Airstream
Owner & Shop Manuals (She very much chuckled when I referred
to her as such). I hope to have those manuals tomorrow. What
I've not found on the Internet is a source of NOS or
authentic reproduction parts, specifically for the '73
Excella 500. There is nothing major wrong with the camper
but there are a lot of little things. One item that is
suspect is the burner unit on the water heater. Any help
from the list for all parts to all components both cosmetic
and mechanical will be most appreciated. The camper also
needs a few running light lenses and a new front awning,
etc. etc....
>
> On the Net,
> (and hopefully soon running down the road in the
Silver Twinkie),
>
> Brock Shields
>
Many of the parts that you mention are still regular stock
at most Vintage Friendly Airstream dealers. The lenses are
tyically readily available - - I found replacement lenses
for all of the exterior lights on my Minuet the last time I
was at my regular Airstream dealer (October 2004). The
front rock guard ("awning") is readily available from
regular stock via your nearest Airstream dealer or Airstream
Service Center - - if your current guard is clear the new
ones are only available in a more durable deep-tinted
material. For items that are no longer available from your
nearest Vintage Friendly Airstream dealer, you can often
find them through one of the two specialists in the links
below:
http://www.airstreamdreams.com/
http://www.inlandrv.com/
The furnace and water heater, for safety reasons, may need
replacement with their modern equivalents - - about the only
was to know is to have an experienced RV LP appliance
technician check them out - - I know that both the furnace
and water heater on my Overlander failed their initial
safety inspections (replacements were required) while only
the water failed its initial safety inspection on the Minuet
and required replacement.
I am not familiar with the Vintage Friendly Airstream
dealer(s) in you immediate vicinity, but you might find
either of the following to be helpful and a bit closer than
either of the links above:
Ace Fogdall RV in Cedar Falls, Iowa (the Vintage Friendly
dealer who has done all of my maintenance and chassis
repairs for the past 10 years):
http://www.acefogdallrv.com/index.html
Bill Thomas Camper Sales, Wentzville, MO (acquaintances have
spoken highly of their Vintage Friendly assistance):
http://www.btcamper.com/
Good luck with your coach!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:31:04 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wheel & tie question
Greetings Chuck and Lynn!
Welcome to the world of Vintage Tradewind ownership!
> We are purchasing a 1960 Airstream Tradewind. It will
need new tires for the trip home. Our question is do all the
60's Airstreams use the six lug, 51/2 center ,"0" offset,
2600 # rated rims?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck & Lynn
>
While it may not be the easiest solution, the safest
approach for a pre-Henschen axle coach is to have new wheels
matched to the specifications of an existing wheel-tire
combination that is known to fit the coach. The 1960s
single axle coaches are noted for tight wheelwell clearances
so actual measurements of the coach involved can become
critical. The wheels and tires can both be critical in
these circumstances - - with both of my coaches, I had my
Good Year dealer measure for the new tires and wheels on the
Overlander and the new tires on the Minuet prior to special
ordering the needed parts so that if they didn't fit upon
delivery it would be the responsibility of his personnel
rather than mine.
Good luck with your investigation!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:36:58 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Of all the problems I have seen concerning the Univolt on my 1966 Safari
"cooking batteries", I have never heard the hum that so many others have
reported. Mine works quietly and "keeps on tickin" like a champ. "If it
ain't broke . . . don't fix it!"
The fault of "cooking" batteries is my own neglect. I suspect that a lot of
others, like me, don't give these coaches the exercise that Wally intended
for them. They were travel trailers using up their charge by night so that
the next day the automobile generator replenished the charge back up and
life was beautiful.
Now, in my case, the unit is parked in a mobile home park and plugged in all
the time. So naturally the Univolt just does it's job all the time. So if
I have to buy a marine deep cycle battery every two years at Wal-Mart it
costs $80??
That's $40 bucks a year for reliable DC power. Until my Univolt starts
humming "Amazing Grace" or doing something else problematic, I will continue
my practice of limited exercise by turning on fans and fluorescents when I
am gone out for the day. I might even try to unplugging the coach while I'm
out, and doing the same exercise to see how far down the batts can be
discharged.
I've got the power and the time.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:39 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
>
>
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:09:39 -0600
> From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
>
> Univolts tend to overcharge batteries, much worse when the trailer is
> stored but powered. When the water level gets below the tops of the
> plates, the exposed area if it gets dry it overheats and may never work
> again.
>
>
> The solid state "UNIVOLTS" DO NOT OVERCHARGE, as some owners state.
>
> They reference the "OLD" style univolts when they make that comment.
>
> It's interesting how some people "damn" a product from many years
> ago, and
> compare it to another current brand of charger. Fair, I don't think so.
>
> Lets compare like with like, always, as a matter of fairness,
> especially to
> the new comers.
>
> I have yet to see on any Airstream site, where someone has a
> specific gripe
> about the current Airstream univolt that has been in use for many years.
>
> Granted, the old univolts had problems, but the new univolts do
> not. The old
> one's also had a hum, the new do not.
>
> Andy
> Inland RV Center, Inc.
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:40:37 EST
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Argosy Minuet
Hello all: Anyone out there have a Argosy Minuet, 1977 20ft model that can
tell me how much they paid for it? If everything works but the unit needs
tires and some paint touch up...what would be an appropriate offer? When I
search I find anywhere from $1,000 to $2,500 for units that have not been
restored or had any work done on them. Is this about right? I know there are many
things to consider but I would like a general idea before I go look at the
unit on Monday. Its been sitting for a couple of years and the owner "may"
consider selling....he hasn't made up his mind yet. Thanks for any suggestions.
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:44:36 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
Just ordered the part and six lower wattage bulbs from Ricky @ OasisRV.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cruiserbob [mailto:bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:28 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Signal - Stat E-36
>
>
> The little round light outside the front door on my 1966 Safari
> finally gave
> up the ghost. The bulb, of course, is blown . . . but now there is hole
> burned in the plastic fixture itself.
>
> I recall that these used to be available as stock replacement.
> Does anyone
> know the source? Also, has anywone had luck putting a smaller watt bulb
> that won't heat up the fixture so much.
>
> The housiing is round chrome with Signal-stat E-36 printed on it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Kiger
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dean L [mailto:dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:17 AM
> > To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
> >
> >
> > If you are only running 2000 watt inverter then get with someone that
> > can wire a second fuse box and just use the inverter and its fuse box
> > to feed you low wattage load. Also you can use a single pole / double
> > throw 20 amp switch to change between the inverter and shore power.
> > You can buy that switch very cheep at most any hardware store. It is
> > called a 3 way switch and is use to control the lights from both ends
> > of your hallway.
> > Dean
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Dan Childress wrote:
> >
> > > Bob
> > > I am over engineering. My caravel is all electric. I believe that
> > > I will settle in the 2000 watt area. Wiring question. When using an
> > > inverter must the inverter's power go thru an inverter only circuit?
> > > Or is there a switching whereby all 110 can be run through the main
> > > 110 breaker box? Sure would be nice if when the shore power was
> > > disconnected that the entire camper would switch over to the inverter.
> > > I understand that the inverter could not carry everything at once but
> > > it would make wiring easier.
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:44:36 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: antenna crank
Talked with Ricky at OasisRV. It would appear that I cracked the housing
that holds all these gears in place and that part costs $150. So I guess
I'll be doing some housing repair. I just reordered cable & internet so
it's importance is limited to my experiments with High Definition
Transmission.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Koehn [mailto:timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:17 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: antenna crank
>
>
> Hi Bob-
> Here's what the invoice says:
>
> CODE: 11-2037
> DESCRIPTION: Antenna gear kit Skyliner, Braund
> P.O.: 11901
> AMOUNT: $7.15
>
> The package says "BRAUND Worm and Worm Gear Kit". I purchased the
> "11901 Round Leg" kit. Braund also offers a "13877 Square Leg" kit;
> However the parts manager- Ricky- (very knowledgeable and helpful) said
> that the round leg kit is the one I need for our 1979 31' Int'l Sov. I
> have yet to tear in to this project, as the antenna needs to be removed
> from above and we're still on the road.
>
> By the way Bob thanks for the heads up on the WiFi here at San Elijo
> State Beach! This has been a great place to hang out for a few days.
> Surf's up and the surfers are out in force. Great fun to watch. I'm
> trying to work up the nerve to give it a go.. Took the boys out whale
> watching yesterday and saw 8 California Greys.
> Heading up to Ventura and on to San Luis Obispo via Joshua Tree this
> week.
>
> Best
>
> Chris Koehn
>
> ==Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:29:47 -0800
> From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: RE: [VAL] re: antenna crank
>
> Chris,
>
> Oasis RV wrote me back saying that, if you have an invoice with a part
> number it would help a lot. Do you have it?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob==
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:49:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Wheel & tie question
- --- c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> We are purchasing a 1960 Airstream Tradewind. It
> will need new tires for the trip home. Our question
> is do all the 60's Airstreams use the six lug,
> 51/2 center ,"0" offset, 2600 # rated rims?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck & Lynn
Hello,
When I picked up my 1963 Overlander, it had split rims
on it. The split rims had a positive offset of appr.
1.5in.
After i mounted my spare wheel set to tow it home, i
noticed immediately that teh 0-offset rims were much
closer to the inside, meaning 3in narrower overall. It
looked a bit cheesy, but it worked fine for 1200miles
or so. There were no clearance problems, neither
inside, nor outside the tire.
I am not sure if the 1960 Tradewind is the same, but i
thought I'd share my findings anyway.
I believe the 1960 Airstreams had leaf spring axles,
which might be totally different dimensions than the
later torsion axles.
Best,
Uwe
Uwe Salwender
Orange, CA.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:08:23 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Argosy Minuet
Greetings Tom!
> Hello all: Anyone out there have a Argosy Minuet, 1977
20ft model that can tell me how much they paid for it? If
everything works but the unit needs tires and some paint
touch up...what would be an appropriate offer? When I
search I find anywhere from $1,000 to $2,500 for units that
have not been restored or had any work done on them. Is
this about right? I know there are many things to
consider but I would like a general idea before I go look
at the unit on Monday. Its been sitting for a couple of
years and the owner "may" consider selling....he hasn't
made up his mind yet. Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Tom Fairbank
> 1969 Tradewind
>
The figures that you quote are in the ballpark according to
what I paid for my '78 Minuet a little more than two years
ago - - in fact, mine was toward the lower end of the range.
Mine needed new tires, bearing service, new water heater,
new/rebuilt water pump, and new Univolt. The Minuets have
been building quite a following - - they are easy to tow and
even when fully loaded for an extended trip, mine tips the
scales at 3,100 to 3,125 pounds with a gross hitch weight of
525 pounds.
If you haven't been researching the Minuets, you may be
surprised to learn that the following about these unique
little coaches:
1. They are 8" narrower than the standard Argosy line at
7'. The only complication that can arise as a result of
this is that the only way to protect the deep-wrap wing
windows is to modify the current three-piece rock guard (the
center section must be narrowed by about 8").
2. Many 6.0 Metre (20') and some 6.7 Metre (22') Minuets
came from the factory with Composite Aluminum floors
resulting in no worry about wood rot - - the downside is
that the composite material can develop sag and become
"springy" with age - - the solution that has worked with
mine was to install Armstrong Laminate flooring over
Armstrong Quiet Step underlayment (pad).
3. All of the interior cabinetry is vinyl-clad aluminum
with laminate tambours.
One thing to be cautious about with the 1977 models is that
not all 20' Argosy coaches were Minuets. The Minuet was
introduced during the 1977 model year so there are some
Argosy 20 (standard width) coaches as well as Argosy Minuet
6.0 Metre coaches. The best means of telling which you are
looking at is to check the badging (should be Minuet 6.0
Metre), and check the measurement at the floor level (should
be 7'). Another tip-off if the coach has the front lounge
is the presence or absence of an armrest on the lounge - -
if there is an armrest, it is almost always an Argosy 20'
while if there isn't and armrest it is almost always a
Minuet.
You can find a scan of the '78 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre sales
literature at:
http://www.airstreamforums.com/attachments/gallery/files/8/2/7/argosy_minuet_6_metre_1978.jpg
The 1977 literature does not show the Minuet, only the
Argosy 20 a scan of the 1976 sales literature (same data as
1977) page can be found at:
http://www.airstreamforums.com/attachments/gallery/files/8/2/7/argosy_20_22_24_1976.jpg
Good luck with your investigation!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1974 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:42:45 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the lead. That Iowa dealership looks very buttoned up. I have
saved them in my "Favorites" list in Internet Explorer. We are all
privileged at Airstream.net to have such a brain trust to tap into.
I have spent hours recently editing all the old junk out of my Internet
Explorer "Favorites" list and organizing it. Then it occurred to me that in
times past, for one reason or another, I lost my favorites list. A computer
can crash or a new browser comes in and we switch or whatever reason . . .
gone are our old favorites.
My question: "Is there a way to back up Internet Explorer Favorites list so
if some problem besets your computer you can have your Favorites?
Thanks (I could not help but notice that you were with the Free
Wheelers/Computer Club :)
> The last time I was at my favorite Airstream dealer (October
> 2004), the lense or the entire fixture was readily
> available. I purchased a pair of spare lenses as well as
> one entire fixture - - the prices were quite reasonable.
> You might try contacting either Florence or Christy in the
> Parts Department at the link below:
>
> http://www.acefogdallrv.com/contact.html
>
> Kevin D. Allen
> WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:43:41 -0500
From: Roger T McClelland <kc8cix1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Hi is the solid state Univolt a 2 stage charger? If so what is the float
voltage?
Roger
> Univolts tend to overcharge batteries, much worse when the trailer is
> stored but powered. When the water level gets below the tops of the
> plates, the exposed area if it gets dry it overheats and may never work
> again.
>
>
> The solid state "UNIVOLTS" DO NOT OVERCHARGE, as some owners state.
>
> They reference the "OLD" style univolts when they make that comment.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:05:57 EST
From: Tombhs@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Argosy Minuet
Kevin: Just what I needed! Thank you. I have been doing some research but
your info is much more than I had found. I will look at the unit on Monday
and hopefully can see if everything is working. thanks again.
Tom Fairbank
1969 Tradewind
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:14:16 -0800
From: "MK / JS" <sn2244@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
Could not agree more - I was "surfing" the channels and found "Wow, here's a
somewhat vintage Airstream getting a makeover." Holy cow -- what was worse,
the before or the after? What a MESS. Glueing that ridiculous carpet all
over the interior? Please, will an official rep of the Vintage Airstream
group please email TLC and tell them how to really make a vintage Airstream
look "cool" (as that seemed to be their goal)
Marg in Pac NW
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:09 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
I have not been following this thread except at a glance. What is the
original URL that we are talking about. I ask because there is an idiot
here in Oceanside, CA who has been snapping up vintage Airstream coaches and
stripping them into a lounge cars with camouflage netting and other gaudy
stuff.
He uses them to tout his beer, which shall remained unmentioned, at Golf
Tournaments. I walked through his workshop and it was like the Airstream
"House of Horrors". Please tell me that this is the same guy, so I can
sleep a little better knowing there is only one such vermin in the
neighborhood.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MK / JS [mailto:sn2244@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:14 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
>
>
> Could not agree more - I was "surfing" the channels and found
> "Wow, here's a
> somewhat vintage Airstream getting a makeover." Holy cow -- what
> was worse,
> the before or the after? What a MESS. Glueing that ridiculous carpet all
> over the interior? Please, will an official rep of the Vintage Airstream
> group please email TLC and tell them how to really make a vintage
> Airstream
> look "cool" (as that seemed to be their goal)
>
> Marg in Pac NW
>
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Date: 10 Mar 2005 20:50:13 -0000
From: "Tom Williams" <tcwilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] "Favorites" list
- ------------- Original message follows -------------
My question: "Is there a way to back up Internet Explorer Favorites list so
if some problem besets your computer you can have your Favorites?
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Click on "My Documents"
There will be another folder named "Favorites". That folder contains the
links to everything you have bookmarked.
Copy the folder to another media (floppy disk, CD-R, etc.).
Tom
'67 Overlander
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:52:27 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Dan,
What on earth are you going to do with an inverter of that capacity? Unless
you plan on putting in a large bank of batteries, that's way overkill. It
will suck one or two batteries dry in a very short time.
I have two AGM cells kept charged by solar panels, and a 300 watt inverter,
and it works fine. I can't fun a microwave or the A/C, but don't need them
if I'm boondocking.
Have I missed one of your posts regarding your system?
Roger
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:54:10 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] "Favorites" list
I had to search my laptop a while. IE keeps a separate file for each
"favorite" entry. Its in the c:\windows\favorites directory. To save it for
recovery, just copy that entire directory to floppy or CD-ROM. Then to
restore, just copy it back. Copy the subdirectories off that directory too
to catch the folders structure of the favorites list.
My old netscape keeps them in one file called bookmark.htm that is in
HTML format like a web page and when I copy that file to my laptop
that uses IE, it shows up the old book marks as a local web page and so I
can use the same one for both. I don't yet know what Foxfire does, but I
will find that out in a few days.
Gerald J,. WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:55:12 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Greetings Bob!
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for the lead. That Iowa dealership looks very
buttoned up. I have saved them in my "Favorites" list in
Internet Explorer. We are all privileged at Airstream.net
to have such a brain trust to tap into.
>
> I have spent hours recently editing all the old junk out
of my Internet Explorer "Favorites" list and organizing it.
Then it occurred to me that in times past, for one reason or
another, I lost my favorites list. A computer can crash or
a new browser comes in and we switch or whatever reason . .
gone are our old favorites.
>
> My question: "Is there a way to back up Internet Explorer
Favorites list so if some problem besets your computer you
can have your Favorites?
>
> Thanks (I could not help but notice that you were with the
Free Wheelers/Computer Club :)
With Windows 98 or later, the Favorites file can be found in
a folder off of the "C:\" route directory called "Documents
and Settings" - - there will be a folder with your "user
name" for the system, and when this folder is opened, you
should find the folder labeled "Favorites" - - click on the
folder to select, then choose copy from the file menu - -
paste to either a floppy disk or a writable CD to make a
backup copy.
The route for my Favorites folder is as follows:
C:\Documents and Settings\Kevin\Favorites
The route for yours will likely be similar with "Kevin"
being replaced with your user id.
The process is likely similar with Macintosh, but I have
very limited experience with their more recent operating
systems.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:35:17 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Remember folks,
This is the Vintage Airstream list, not a computer "how-to" e-mail list.
Lets drop this thread now.
- -Tom
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:36:00 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Hey Guys,
It gets even more interesting. At least one top level adventure RV
http://www.earthroamer.com/index.html is now divorcing itself completely
from LP gas for "safety reasons". They are running several 42volt batteries
being charged by roof solar panels and two 130 amp alternators weighing on
their 6.0 Cummins Turbo Diesel.
I believe that Wally Byam had more up his sleeve 60 years ago than all the
geniuses that are now designing RVs, toy haulers, 5th wheelers etc.
Moderation in all things and use every tool in your tool box and they won't
get rusty.
Bob Kiger
www.cruiserbob.com
See:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Hightower [mailto:rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:52 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
>
>
> Dan,
>
> What on earth are you going to do with an inverter of that
> capacity? Unless
> you plan on putting in a large bank of batteries, that's way
> overkill. It
> will suck one or two batteries dry in a very short time.
>
> I have two AGM cells kept charged by solar panels, and a 300 watt
> inverter,
> and it works fine. I can't fun a microwave or the A/C, but don't
> need them
> if I'm boondocking.
>
> Have I missed one of your posts regarding your system?
>
> Roger
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:54:02 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Roger,
I plan on being able to be out 5-7 days without shore power. Looking
for 6 6volt batteries ( at least 4). Will want to supply power to a
microwave and other 110 appliances. I understand that most microwaves need
1000-1500 watts. There for the proposal for at least 2000 watt inverter.
We will be total electric, no lp. I tend to add larger margin for error
than some. Planning on having 2-120 watt solar panels and one 80 watt panel
for a total of 320 watts. In the winter I anticipate that the panels will
not be able to supply all that is needed. But will supply 75%. In the
summer should supply all.
Dan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
> Dan,
>
> What on earth are you going to do with an inverter of that capacity?
> Unless you plan on putting in a large bank of batteries, that's way
> overkill. It will suck one or two batteries dry in a very short time.
>
> I have two AGM cells kept charged by solar panels, and a 300 watt
> inverter, and it works fine. I can't fun a microwave or the A/C, but
> don't need them if I'm boondocking.
>
> Have I missed one of your posts regarding your system?
>
> Roger
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:59:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Tony Grange <tgrange73@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
I've been following the thread for a couple of days about marathon (Goodyear) tires. I
have had three Airstreams since 1985, a 1968 Caravel (single axle), a 74 25'
Tradewind Land Yacht, and currently a 77 31' Sovereign. Over the years I have probably
towed these units about 50,000 miles. I have always used Michelin radial ply tires and
have never had even a flat. It is important to check your tires often, visually several
times a day, and with a good tire gauge every morning while they are still cold and
inflate them to the proper pressure.
Tony Grange WBCCI 4935
1977 31 Sovereign
2001 F150
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:13:48 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
There's more clean heat energy in any particular volume or weight of
propane (in liquid form) than in lead acid batteries. And the safety isn't all
that much different. Batteries vent oxygen and hydrogen in the optimum
mixture for an explosion when nearly fully charged, rapidly charged, or
rapidly discharged. The acid in them will remove clothes in seconds when
splashed and continue to burn skin just like the skin had been exposed to
flame. Hydrogen in air burns from about 4% H to about 90% H. Propane
has a much narrower combustible mixture range. Splashed battery acid
can blind.
Accidentally shorting a battery with a ring or metal watch band can cost
the finger or the hand more rapidly than from those (useful) appendages
being exposed to a controlled flame like that of a cook stove.
And when the RV is stationary, running a 400 HP Cummins to produce 11
KW electrical energy (42 volts at 260 amps) which should take maybe 20
shaft hp, is horribly fuel inefficient.
There's more heat energy in Bunker C oil but its smelly and it often has to
be heated to move it through pipes and it won't burn nearly as cleanly as
propane.
Propane is one of the useful tools for RV enjoyment, just like solar panels,
and batteries, not one to be tossed aside unless there is a proven allergy
to its combustion products. Then one may have problems with the
effluent of gasoline and diesel engines as well and the whole RV and
traveling experience may prove to be uncomfortable.
Gerald J. WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:14:24 +0000
From: safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Tim S)
Subject: [VAL] lamp
Bob,
Do you know the wattage of the lamp you purchases from Oasis was?
I'm talking about the 12 lamp that goes in the outside 'scare' round white lense cover.
I need to pick one up and I hope to find one local.
Thanks
- -Tim
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:35:01 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] lamp
If this is the 3 3/4 inch outside light, I just checked with Airstream and
they priced the complete light for under $20.00
Dan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim S" <safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: [VAL] lamp
> Bob,
> Do you know the wattage of the lamp you purchases from Oasis was?
> I'm talking about the 12 lamp that goes in the outside 'scare' round white
> lense cover.
> I need to pick one up and I hope to find one local.
> Thanks
> -Tim
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:37:49 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
All,
I plan on putting the batteries in a large box on the tongue of my
Caravel. Also looking into placing the charger/converter and inverter in a
separate compartment in front of the batteries. Understand that I will have
to allow for ventlation. Any suggestion or comments?
Dan
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:40:36 +0000
From: safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Tim S)
Subject: Re: [VAL] lamp
Thanks. I think I just need the light bulb.
I noticed it was out the other day. Although I have never had the cover off.
- --
- -Tim
www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
- -------------- Original message --------------
> If this is the 3 3/4 inch outside light, I just checked with Airstream and
> they priced the complete light for under $20.00
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim S"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:14 PM
> Subject: [VAL] lamp
>
>
> > Bob,
> > Do you know the wattage of the lamp you purchases from Oasis was?
> > I'm talking about the 12 lamp that goes in the outside 'scare' round white
> > lense cover.
> > I need to pick one up and I hope to find one local.
> > Thanks
> > -Tim
> >
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:03:58 -0600
From: "Tom Williams" <TCWilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
Tim,
My '67 owner's manual lists that bulb as a number 1034.
Incidentally, it is the same bulb that is used for the Stop & Turn signals,
i.e. it has a dual element. Both elements burn when used for the scare
light.
The candlepower is 32-4 (hi dash lo).
Tom
'67 Overlander
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Subject: Re: [VAL] lamp
Thanks. I think I just need the light bulb.
I noticed it was out the other day. Although I have never had the cover
off.
- --
- -Tim
www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
- -------------- Original message --------------
> If this is the 3 3/4 inch outside light, I just checked with Airstream and
> they priced the complete light for under $20.00
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim S"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:14 PM
> Subject: [VAL] lamp
>
>
> > Bob,
> > Do you know the wattage of the lamp you purchases from Oasis was?
> > I'm talking about the 12 lamp that goes in the outside 'scare' round
white
> > lense cover.
> > I need to pick one up and I hope to find one local.
> > Thanks
> > -Tim
> >
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:09:44 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] lamp
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] lamp
> If this is the 3 3/4 inch outside light, I just checked with Airstream and
> they priced the complete light for under $20.00
> Dan
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:09:51 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Dan,
Now I see what you're trying to do. I didn't get the part about using the
inverter as part of a solar charging/storage system.
Good luck,
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
> Roger,
>
> I plan on being able to be out 5-7 days without shore power. Looking
> for 6 6volt batteries ( at least 4). Will want to supply power to a
> microwave and other 110 appliances. I understand that most microwaves
> need 1000-1500 watts. There for the proposal for at least 2000 watt
> inverter. We will be total electric, no lp. I tend to add larger margin
> for error than some. Planning on having 2-120 watt solar panels and one
> 80 watt panel for a total of 320 watts. In the winter I anticipate that
> the panels will not be able to supply all that is needed. But will supply
> 75%. In the summer should supply all.
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
>
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> What on earth are you going to do with an inverter of that capacity?
>> Unless you plan on putting in a large bank of batteries, that's way
>> overkill. It will suck one or two batteries dry in a very short time.
>>
>> I have two AGM cells kept charged by solar panels, and a 300 watt
>> inverter, and it works fine. I can't fun a microwave or the A/C, but
>> don't need them if I'm boondocking.
>>
>> Have I missed one of your posts regarding your system?
>>
>> Roger
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:12:57 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Hi Doc,
Once again, we're on exactly the same page. It's nice to hear from you on
this subject. I thought I was behind the times when I started hearing the
schpiel about LP Gas being unsafe for RVs. That "gorilla marketing" in the
worst sense of the term.
Bob Kiger
www.cruiserbob.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Gerald Johnson [mailto:geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:14 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
>
>
> There's more clean heat energy in any particular volume or weight of
> propane (in liquid form) than in lead acid batteries. And the
> safety isn't all
> that much different. Batteries vent oxygen and hydrogen in the optimum
> mixture for an explosion when nearly fully charged, rapidly charged, or
> rapidly discharged. The acid in them will remove clothes in seconds when
> splashed and continue to burn skin just like the skin had been exposed to
> flame. Hydrogen in air burns from about 4% H to about 90% H. Propane
> has a much narrower combustible mixture range. Splashed battery acid
> can blind.
>
> Accidentally shorting a battery with a ring or metal watch band can cost
> the finger or the hand more rapidly than from those (useful) appendages
> being exposed to a controlled flame like that of a cook stove.
>
> And when the RV is stationary, running a 400 HP Cummins to produce 11
> KW electrical energy (42 volts at 260 amps) which should take maybe 20
> shaft hp, is horribly fuel inefficient.
>
> There's more heat energy in Bunker C oil but its smelly and it
> often has to
> be heated to move it through pipes and it won't burn nearly as cleanly as
> propane.
>
> Propane is one of the useful tools for RV enjoyment, just like
> solar panels,
> and batteries, not one to be tossed aside unless there is a
> proven allergy
> to its combustion products. Then one may have problems with the
> effluent of gasoline and diesel engines as well and the whole RV and
> traveling experience may prove to be uncomfortable.
>
> Gerald J. WBCCI #5623, VAC
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:12:57 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] "Favorites" list
Dr G.
Please drop me your email address off list. My old computer that had it on
the hard drive died two years ago.
Thanks,
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Gerald Johnson [mailto:geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:54 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] "Favorites" list
>
>
> I had to search my laptop a while. IE keeps a separate file for each
> "favorite" entry. Its in the c:\windows\favorites directory. To
> save it for
> recovery, just copy that entire directory to floppy or CD-ROM. Then to
> restore, just copy it back. Copy the subdirectories off that
> directory too
> to catch the folders structure of the favorites list.
>
> My old netscape keeps them in one file called bookmark.htm that is in
> HTML format like a web page and when I copy that file to my laptop
> that uses IE, it shows up the old book marks as a local web page and so I
> can use the same one for both. I don't yet know what Foxfire does, but I
> will find that out in a few days.
>
> Gerald J,. WBCCI #5623, VAC
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:29:56 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
There are some really simple small Microwaves in the 600-700 watt range.
The classic Dirt Devil vacuums do a great job at 600 watts. The Tornado
that I saw at Bed Bath and Beyond is a 700 watt high tech bagless vacuum at
700 watts. My desktop with workstation and film and flat paper scanner and
printer and external SATA 400GB hard drive will run easlly on my existing
700 watt invertor. I back it up with two deep cycle marine batts that cost
about $80 apiece and I got power for a week if I don't overdue.
On my system all batts are charged with a 90 amp alternator while driving.
It's a rare beach front site that holds my attention for so long that I
don't want to get up and drive for a few hours. I would like to have some
flexible solar panels on top of my van, even if they are not as efficient as
hard panels. I like the idea of grommeting down solar panels and getting
extra juice for free.
But as a minimalist I have a hand pump on my sink, and an ice box. If I do
finally get a full reefer I will get a 3 way no matter what they say at that
goof ball website. I'm balancing my load with a healthy dose of LP Gas,
which BTW is sooooo much more efficient for heating and cooking. Can't even
imagine an all electric kitchen OUT THERE!
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Hightower [mailto:rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:10 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Now I see what you're trying to do. I didn't get the part about
> using the
> inverter as part of a solar charging/storage system.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Roger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
>
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > I plan on being able to be out 5-7 days without shore power.
> Looking
> > for 6 6volt batteries ( at least 4). Will want to supply power to a
> > microwave and other 110 appliances. I understand that most microwaves
> > need 1000-1500 watts. There for the proposal for at least 2000 watt
> > inverter. We will be total electric, no lp. I tend to add
> larger margin
> > for error than some. Planning on having 2-120 watt solar
> panels and one
> > 80 watt panel for a total of 320 watts. In the winter I
> anticipate that
> > the panels will not be able to supply all that is needed. But
> will supply
> > 75%. In the summer should supply all.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> > To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
> >
> >
> >> Dan,
> >>
> >> What on earth are you going to do with an inverter of that capacity?
> >> Unless you plan on putting in a large bank of batteries, that's way
> >> overkill. It will suck one or two batteries dry in a very short time.
> >>
> >> I have two AGM cells kept charged by solar panels, and a 300 watt
> >> inverter, and it works fine. I can't fun a microwave or the A/C, but
> >> don't need them if I'm boondocking.
> >>
> >> Have I missed one of your posts regarding your system?
> >>
> >> Roger
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:37:55 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Agree with Jim Smith -- While You Were Out was WAY out.
Bob I am sorry to disappoint you but the group you mentioned is not the only
desiccators of Airstreams. fourtuntaly I think this is a one time shot. To
think I have been critized for trying to make my tradewin intrior look like a
high class yacth. Each to his oen (afterall it was his cow)
Jim Smith
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:44:17 +0000
From: safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Tim S)
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
Thanks Tom. That's what I needed.
So... why do they call it a scare light anyway? ....
- --
- -Tim
www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
- -------------- Original message --------------
> Tim,
>
> My '67 owner's manual lists that bulb as a number 1034.
>
> Incidentally, it is the same bulb that is used for the Stop & Turn signals,
> i.e. it has a dual element. Both elements burn when used for the scare
> light.
>
> The candlepower is 32-4 (hi dash lo).
>
> Tom
> '67 Overlander
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:16:20 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
What do we mean by "scare" light? Do I have such a feature on my 1966
Safari? The fixture I have is a Signal Stat E-36 and it is turned on by a
standard interior light switch.
Thanks for info.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Williams [mailto:TCWilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:04 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
>
>
> Tim,
>
> My '67 owner's manual lists that bulb as a number 1034.
>
> Incidentally, it is the same bulb that is used for the Stop &
> Turn signals,
> i.e. it has a dual element. Both elements burn when used for the scare
> light.
>
> The candlepower is 32-4 (hi dash lo).
>
> Tom
> '67 Overlander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Tim S
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] lamp
>
>
> Thanks. I think I just need the light bulb.
>
> I noticed it was out the other day. Although I have never had the cover
> off.
>
> --
> -Tim
> www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > If this is the 3 3/4 inch outside light, I just checked with
> Airstream and
> > they priced the complete light for under $20.00
> > Dan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim S"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:14 PM
> > Subject: [VAL] lamp
> >
> >
> > > Bob,
> > > Do you know the wattage of the lamp you purchases from Oasis was?
> > > I'm talking about the 12 lamp that goes in the outside 'scare' round
> white
> > > lense cover.
> > > I need to pick one up and I hope to find one local.
> > > Thanks
> > > -Tim
> > >
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:50:12 -0600
From: "Tom Williams" <TCWilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Tim S
So... why do they call it a scare light anyway? ....
- --
- -Tim
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Funny you should ask because when I was looking the bulb up in my owners
manual, it was listed as a "flood light" in 1967.
I suspect that people started complaining about replacing melted lenses. To
counter this, Airstream changed the terminology to "scare light", and
probably advised salesmen to stress the importance of only leaving the light
on for the short amount of time necessary to scare off whatever the owner
perceived as a "situation".
If I am not mistaken, I believe Signal-Stat originally developed the fixture
for use as a backup light, i.e. an application that does not stay
illuminated for hours on end.
To speculate further, a light fixture change was probably not made because
the Signal-Stat's presentation goes extremely well with the overall look of
an Airstream. A more suitable fixture would have to be vented to dissipate
the heat generated by a bulb capable of producing enough light to warrant
installing any sort of exterior light fixture.
But the above is just my reverse engineering. :-)
Tom
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:16:03 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
Ventilate the battery box to the outside, not to the electronics box.
Be careful that you don't raise the tongue weight beyond reason with the
gaggle of batteries.
Most marine battery boxes are ventilated well enough for that outdoor
application, but you probably can't get one to hold half a dozen
batteries. Look at similar venting.
Plan on the fumes having some acid content and wanting to keep them
away from sparks.
Gerald J., WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:16:11 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
If the two filaments for the scare lamp make it too strong (it is kind of
blinding right in to the eyes of someone just front of the door and it
doesn't light the nearby vicinity at all, just shoots a beam out into the
woods, hence the name to scare off villains) one might go with a lower
power lamp, or just prevent the high current filament contact from
making a connection with the socket. Probably by covering it with a
sturdy epoxy, or at the outside by unhooking the wire from that side of the
socket. There's a chance that there might be two wires from the lamp
socket running all the way to the interior light switch. One for the high
power filament, one for the low power filament.
I've thought about designing a lens to deflect the light down towards the
door and the step to make it more useful, but work, farming, and house
building has prevented anything serious that way.
Gerald J., WBCCI #5623, VAC
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:11:47 -0500
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
I'd recommend forgoing all of the batteries and associated problems and get
a nice quiet generator. The Honda EU2000 provides me with more than enough
power for weeks on end with a single 12 volt battery. I bought an optima
and it keeps on providing all the power I need with a short charge in the AM
and the PM. It won't support A/C though, but if you really need A/C I doubt
the inverter will do the job. While dry camping I get up in the AM and
start the gen and let it run during my morning shower and breakfast. Then I
turn it off until I return to the rig in the PM. I run it for about an hour
during dinner and it provides power for the computer, microwave, lights and
charges the battery. It is only on for maybe an hour. It is very quiet and
doesn't bother me or the neighbors and it is very lightweight. The power is
clean enough to run the computer direct if necessary. I've stayed over 7
days with this setup in the Utah mountains and never lost power to my heater
during the night - even when the temps got down around 18 degrees.
Pete
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:18:21 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
Sure sounds plausible to me. I will take a picture of my mangled holy
"Scare Light" lens. Hopefully with a smaller bulb it can provide a soft but
not intimidating light source that can be left on for more than a few
minutes before self destructing.
Bob Kiger
www.cruiserbob.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Williams [mailto:TCWilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:50 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Tim S
> So... why do they call it a scare light anyway? ....
>
> --
> -Tim
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Funny you should ask because when I was looking the bulb up in my owners
> manual, it was listed as a "flood light" in 1967.
>
> I suspect that people started complaining about replacing melted
> lenses. To
> counter this, Airstream changed the terminology to "scare light", and
> probably advised salesmen to stress the importance of only
> leaving the light
> on for the short amount of time necessary to scare off whatever the owner
> perceived as a "situation".
>
> If I am not mistaken, I believe Signal-Stat originally developed
> the fixture
> for use as a backup light, i.e. an application that does not stay
> illuminated for hours on end.
>
> To speculate further, a light fixture change was probably not made because
> the Signal-Stat's presentation goes extremely well with the
> overall look of
> an Airstream. A more suitable fixture would have to be vented to
> dissipate
> the heat generated by a bulb capable of producing enough light to warrant
> installing any sort of exterior light fixture.
>
> But the above is just my reverse engineering. :-)
>
> Tom
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:43:09 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
Daisy,
Boy are you correct on the Dodge PowerWagon. Stiff as can be, I can
carry 2,000 to 3,000 lbs in the bed and barely move the suspension. If
you want to see a picture go to:
http://imageevent.com/brigand/athsshow2004;jsessionid=jrwqz8o7x1.buffalo_s?n=0&z=2&c=4&x=0&m=24&w=0&p=0
Pictures 36 and 37.
You shouldn't use a Cadillac as a comparison, didn't you notice my other
vehicle.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Daisy Welch wrote:
> I see by your vehicles that you are a man of taste and distinction.
> Perhaps this will help. The Univolt is kind of like a Dodge
> Powerwagon: Gutsy and strong, but notabley lacking in subtly and
> finesse. I hear the newer Univolts are a little more obliging but
> basically they exaust the batteries like the way the Dodge will
> destroy your back after an hour on bad roads. The Intellipower
> charger/converter would be more like the Cadillac, babying the
> batteries with "gourmet" charging that will keep them happy for years.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:45:29 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #182
Andy,
When did the univolt style change? How do you tell if you have a solid
state univolt?
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>The solid state "UNIVOLTS" DO NOT OVERCHARGE, as some owners state.
>
>They reference the "OLD" style univolts when they make that comment.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:48:10 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re Battery charging and testing
> You shouldn't use a Cadillac as a comparison, didn't you notice my other
> vehicle.
>
> Bill Kerfoot
> WBCCI/VAC #5223
> 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
> 1977 Lincoln Continental
> 1979 23' Airstream Safari
> Orange, CA
OOOOPs, brain leaked again, I of COURSE meant a Lincoln....
Daisy
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:59:20 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Inverter/Charger
I failed to indicate that the use of a "gas" generator also is not a
option. Cannot haul gas in van or truck or inside or outside the
caravel. It is a medical problem. It is either without lp or gas or
without my wife. I choose to do only without lp and gas. I do not
consider boondocking or dry camping much fun by myself.
Dan
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:03:13 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
Bob
I am adding a light over the door of my caravel. It is the
same light that is used on the new ccd's. As I am in a complete
rebuild and have access to the interior walls. Please be kind as
this is not a original refurbish.
Dan
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:16:04 -0600
From: overlander64 <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
Greetings Dan!
> Bob
>
> I am adding a light over the door of my caravel. It
is the same light that is used on the new ccd's. As I am
in a complete rebuild and have access to the interior
walls. Please be kind as this is not a original refurbish.
Dan
>
There is another alternative that Airstream utilized in
through the mid-1960s. My '64 Overlander International was
equipped with both the standard "scare light" as well as the
optional porch light - - quite similar to household
fixtures, but it attaches to an outlet on the side of the
coach with a threaded device. You can see photos of the
fixture on my coach (it is easily removed for travel and
there is a threaded cover that covers the outlet):
http://www.airstreamforums.com/attachments/gallery/files/8/2/7/porch_light_close_up.jpg
http://www.airstreamforums.com/attachments/gallery/files/8/2/7/porch_light_wide_view-med.jpg
It is controlled by a switch mounted beside the window over
the kitchen sink as well as a toggle switch on the fixture.
From what I have been able to learn, this option disappeared
sometime in the mid-1960s.
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI/VAC/Free Wheelers/Computer Club #6359
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400
VORTEC/4.10 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado
Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:37:43 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] lamp
Bob
Looks neat. I have an outside 110 outlet but I don't believe that
there is a switch. Maybe a lamp with a switch on the light would
work.
Dan
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