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VAL Digest Friday, March 4 2005 Volume 02 : Number 176
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Topics in Today's Digest:
RE: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
[VAL] Re: Gas Oven
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
[VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
RE: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Re: [VAL] Sarasota
[VAL] Silver Streaks
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
RE: [VAL] Silver Streaks
Re: [VAL] Silver Streaks
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
[VAL] re: antenna crank
Re: [VAL] Sarasota
RE: [VAL] re: antenna crank
[VAL] Availability
[VAL] Plug for gas valve
Re: [VAL] Plug for gas valve
RE: [VAL] Plug for gas valve
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:28:35 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
Hi Forrest,
Your instructions are crystal clear. It is obvious that we have the same
unit. I went through all the ways that I could shut down gas to the oven
pilot without disrupting everything else in the coach. Your idea of making
sure it is completely closed is just right.
I assume that completely closed would mean that the valve screw would be
screwed downward in a clockwise direction. I can check this by trying to
light the pilot. If it doesn't light than no gas is getting through.
On the rare occasions when we are baking a cake or a roast turkey, we just
unscrew the pilot and 'light er up". I am very much an anal minimalist. I
want everything in my coach to work and I upgrade only when I find an after
market product that is superior to the Airstream technology.
Using the gas stove frees up our smaller Cuisinart Toaster Oven Broiler to
work on a separate dish using electricity. That's a nice balance of power.
We also have an Emerson microwave that is small and Stainless Steel like the
Cuisinart. I am trying to keep the SS or aluminum look throughout the
coach. Even got an old chrome Osterizer Blender with a real sculpted glass
beverage container / chopper.
I surely love my 1966 Safari Airstream
Bob Kiger
www.cruiserbob.com
Oceanside, CA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forrest McClure [mailto:forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:33 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I likely have the exact same Magic Chef range as you, since I also have a
> '66, but we use our range all the time. Lift the stove top open, under it,
> on the left (most likely) will be a valve, turn the handle so
> that it is 90
> degrees to the gas pipe and that will shut off all gas to the range, and
> will turn off your oven pilot light. That is the position it should always
> be in while traveling, on the move, or in storage since when the handle in
> down, parallel to the gas pipe there will be gas going to the stovetop's
> pilot light as well as the oven pilot light. Likewise there is a smaller
> handle valve near the front, under the stove top, that works the same way
> and it independently turns on the gas to and from the oven pilot
> light. The
> range is potentially dangerous because if you forget to close the valves,
> and don't shut off the gas at the LPG bottles then they will continuously
> leak gas into the interior of your coach, unless of course they are lit.
> Although it is unlikely that you would forget to turn off all three valves
> there is also the possibility that a pilot light might go out either from
> air in the line or from misadjustment. So, the best thing is to
> always lift
> the lid of the stovetop and shut off the main or larger valve
> there whenever
> you are finished using the range. The reason I've gone into this in detail
> is that you said you prefer to light the burners individually
> with a lighter
> instead of letting the pilot light do it, well if that is what you want to
> do, just be sure that the adjustment screw in the valve to the stovetop
> pilot light is screwed down all the way so as to shut off all gas to it.
> This is as clear as mud, isn't it? Perhaps this is something that
> should be
> demonstrated at our next Rocky Mt. VAC rally?
>
> Forrest
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
>
>
> > My oven temperature knob is a red, Harper - All Temp althought
> the unit is
> a
> > Magic Chef. There is an OFF position but nothing that says "Pilot Off".
> >
> > Thanks for helping,
> > Bob Kiger
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Hightower [mailto:rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:15 PM
> > > To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > > Subject: Re: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Check your oven temp control valve, and see if it has a "pilot off"
> > > position, far to the left. Mine does, and that's how I turn
> it all off.
> > >
> > > Roger
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > > To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
> > >
> > >
> > > > Daisy . . . Daisy . . . give me your answer, do!
> > > >
> > > > I did exactly as you said and it works perfectly. My stove
> looks like
> > > > brand
> > > > new. Not one stain in the oven. Probably because former
> owners didn't
> > > > know
> > > > how to start it:)
> > > >
> > > > I turned up the gas valve under the top burners, specifically the
> valve
> > > > that
> > > > determines pilot gas pressure. Got a good blue flame that
> > > turned yellow
> > > > and
> > > > then came forward, down the burner to the front of the oven.
> > > Let it run
> > > > for
> > > > a while and then turned it off.
> > > >
> > > > But the pilot wouldn't go off . . . it stayed lit, and the
> outside was
> > > > warm.
> > > > So I have to turn down the pilot gas pressure before lighting
> > > the pilot.
> > > > No
> > > > big deal. Today was the first time that I have tried it in
> > > almost 5 years.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kiger
> > > > Oceanside, CA
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Daisy Welch [mailto:jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:53 PM
> > > >> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: [VAL] Back to Magic Chef
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> First you have to get down on your knees with a flashlight
> > > >> and look in there. You can of course just turn it on and
> > > >> hope for the best, but that can get exciting.
> > > >>
> > > >> Under neath the main part of the oven you will see a big
> > > >> main burner. It may look like a sort of razor clam or paddle
> > > >> shaped thing, and it might have visible holes or they might
> > > >> be buried in a slit. This is what does the actual heating.
> > > >> On my '73 Magic chef, and nearly every other gas oven I have
> > > >> wrassled with, there is also another thin tube that comes in
> > > >> and ends in a metal contraption that has various fins. holes
> > > >> and stuff. This is the pilot light. On most ovens, this
> > > >> will stay lit. Mine as an indicator for OFF and then next to
> > > >> it PILOT OFF. The first just sends gas to the pilot light
> > > >> and the second kills the gas to the pilot light. If I leave
> > > >> the pilot light lit, when I want to use the oven, I just
> > > >> turn up the dial to the temp I want and soon there is a nice
> > > >> whoosh.
> > > >>
> > > >> In this pilot light contraption are thermal switches that
> > > >> turn the gas off if the pilot light blows out, and more to
> > > >> the point, one that must get hot before the gas will go to
> > > >> the main burner.
> > > >>
> > > >> If all goes well, you kneel, light the butane stick, hold it
> > > >> near the pilot light and turn the gas on. The tiny pilot
> > > >> light will burn blue for a while and then the thermal switch
> > > >> will allow the gas to go to the main burner, which the pilot
> > > >> light is waiting to ignite.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now then, if you have a horrid old stove, I would think it a
> > > >> good idea to get a gas stove guy to take a look at it. If,
> > > >> for example, the main burner is rusted away, you may get
> > > >> what sounds like a dragon in there. And if critters are
> > > >> living in any of the tubes it might be exciting too. You may
> > > >> also have a stove that doesn't have a pilot light and need
> > > >> to light the main burner directly.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you have your lighter lit before you turn the gas on, it
> > > >> is generally more of a dignified proceeding.
> > > >>
> > > >> As always, If I have mispoke, let's hear it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Daisy
> > > >>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:16:39 EST
From: AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: Gas Oven
I've been lucky that all 4 of my A/S units had "unused" ovens~ all were like
new!
I always use the oven for cooking BAKED CHICKEN M<M>M :) and sometimes for
heat when boon docking!
I just set it at about 200 and leave the door closed usually after the sun
goes down and it's getting dark!
At bedtime it's toasty warm inside and I shut off the oven but leave the
pilot on.
I've rented a few new RV's in past years and noticed they don't come with
ovens any longer!
So count your blessings all~ya'll!
AlanT
Phx AZ
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:31:49 -0700
From: "Forrest McClure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
On the other hand, I have been using a 6' Radio Shack antenna with a 30 mile
range (we also use a signal amplifier) to receive both UHF and VHF signals
for several years. Two months ago we purchased a HDTV and using the same
antenna now get broadcast High Definition and Digital channels quite well.
We are almost exactly 30 miles from the broadcast towers. The analog signals
for some channels have never been all that strong for us, even when I was
using a larger antenna designed to receive signals from 100 miles, but now I
see the advantage of Digital transmissions. The stations that came in poorly
with analog signals now come in crystal clear with Digital signals. With
Digital there are no shadows, no ghosts. The only disadvantage with the
Digital (this includes the High Definition signals) is that we either get
the transmission perfectly, or we don't get it at all. A few times in the
last two months we have not been able to get a Digital transmission on a
particular channel, and this has been because of a storm (snow most likely)
directly between us and the transmission tower. The big surprise for us with
Digital is that we have picked up additional channels to watch, since
several stations now broadcast different programs simultaneously in their
assigned bandwidth. We are very happy with the improvement in picture
quality, in fact the HD viewing shows more detail than I think I can see
unaided, if that makes any sense.
I think the mistake many people make, including us, is that we thought all
Digital transmissions were in High Definition, but that is not the case.
While the Digital transmissions are ghost and shadow free they are about the
same quality and format (dimension wise) as the old analog transmissions.
Randy, I'm puzzled that you had problems with your old antenna since you are
considerably closer to the transmission towers than I am. Our antenna has
just standard UHF capability, and my understanding is that the higher cost
antennas advertised as being "designed for digital and High Definition" have
no better reception ability than a good UHF antenna.
Forrest
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:11:51 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Hi Forrest,
I am not sure that some ghosting cannot be included in Digital Reception.
For example if a large mirrored building is in the path between your antenna
and the transmitter the secondary signal can produce the good old fashioned
mirror image.
I will check with the experts.
Thanks,
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forrest McClure [mailto:forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> While the Digital transmissions are ghost and shadow free they
> are about the same quality and format (dimension wise) as the old analog
transmissions.
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:23:04 -0600
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Bob,
With all due respect, you need to stick to what you know. Digital
broadcasts are absolutely free from ghosts from the end viewer's
perspective. Multipath interference (ie ghosting) has a totally different
effect on digital broadcast reception as compared to analog. In analog, the
result is a slightly offset, faded image (ie ghost) on the screen. In
digital, if the tuner can lock onto the signal, the multipath signal has NO
effect. What multipath CAN do is so screw up the main signal so much that
an ATSC tuner CAN'T lock onto the signal in which case you simply can't tune
to the station, period. The multipath reflection problem was a big issue
with some early ATSC receivers that could not handle the problem. Thanks to
Zenith continuing to work on the issue the past several generations of ATSC
tuners have gotten MUCH better at multipath rejection.
David
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Cruiserbob
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:12 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Hi Forrest,
I am not sure that some ghosting cannot be included in Digital Reception.
For example if a large mirrored building is in the path between your antenna
and the transmitter the secondary signal can produce the good old fashioned
mirror image.
I will check with the experts.
Thanks,
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forrest McClure [mailto:forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> While the Digital transmissions are ghost and shadow free they
> are about the same quality and format (dimension wise) as the old analog
transmissions.
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:23:04 -0600
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Bob,
With all due respect, you need to stick to what you know. Digital
broadcasts are absolutely free from ghosts from the end viewer's
perspective. Multipath interference (ie ghosting) has a totally different
effect on digital broadcast reception as compared to analog. In analog, the
result is a slightly offset, faded image (ie ghost) on the screen. In
digital, if the tuner can lock onto the signal, the multipath signal has NO
effect. What multipath CAN do is so screw up the main signal so much that
an ATSC tuner CAN'T lock onto the signal in which case you simply can't tune
to the station, period. The multipath reflection problem was a big issue
with some early ATSC receivers that could not handle the problem. Thanks to
Zenith continuing to work on the issue the past several generations of ATSC
tuners have gotten MUCH better at multipath rejection.
David
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Cruiserbob
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:12 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Hi Forrest,
I am not sure that some ghosting cannot be included in Digital Reception.
For example if a large mirrored building is in the path between your antenna
and the transmitter the secondary signal can produce the good old fashioned
mirror image.
I will check with the experts.
Thanks,
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forrest McClure [mailto:forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> While the Digital transmissions are ghost and shadow free they
> are about the same quality and format (dimension wise) as the old analog
transmissions.
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:35:17 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
As far as I am concerned, any anonymous expert doesn't exist. If they can't
be named, then they can't be quoted. I believe that I will have to agree
100 % with David and 0% with the "experts". David is an expert, and he is
not anonymous.
By the way Bob, if you are not familiar with the subject, you probably
shoudn't bother replying yourself. Leave it to someone who does know.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
> Dear David,
>
> Here is the first, but not the last response from my experts, who will
> have
> to remain unnamed "or else they'd have to kill me :)
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:43:09 -0700
From: "Forrest McClure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
David,
I wonder if Randy has one of the early ATSC tuners, and if that might not
have been the problem he was having instead of his old UHF antenna? Randy
mentioned that he gets "all local DTV channels indirectly bounced off a
water tower 10 miles away."
Forrest
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:26:40 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Not an Airstream, but for the vintage freaks...... I went up to New Waverly,
Texas on Tuesday and looked at the following trailer. It is a Clipper, and
not too far removed from the era when they were produced by Curtis Wright.
The Clipper was itself designed, I understand, by Wally Byam during the period
when he worked for Curtis Wright. I can't figure how I could get this one by
my wife, so am passing on it myself.
Penny Taylor has listed a 1953 22' Silver Streak in the free Classified Ads on
my site. Pictures of the unit are located at:
http://www.tompatterson.com/Silverstreak/Pictures/195322ftclipper/Clipper22.h
tml if anyone is interested.
The trailer looks promising for restoration. The floor appears solid and the
unit appears to be without leaks.
- -Tom
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Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:03:40 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Tom:
The most interesting feature on this SS Clipper is the two square
opening top hinged rear windows, which appear to be factory installed.
They are different from the typical fixed (unopenable) rear "D" shaped
plexiglas windows that matched those on the front of this trailer. The
use of opening windows in the rear suggests the company was addressing
customer complaints about lack of fresh air in the rear bedroom. I
think within a year, the SS end windows changed from fixed "D" shaped
plexiglas to combination units having smaller squarish fixed center
panes and vertically hinged operable outer windows at both ends, which
improved interior ventilation. Neat trailer!
Best regards,
Fred Coldwell
Tom Patterson wrote:
> Not an Airstream, but for the vintage freaks...... I went up to New Waverly,
> Texas on Tuesday and looked at the following trailer. It is a Clipper, and
> not too far removed from the era when they were produced by Curtis Wright.
> The Clipper was itself designed, I understand, by Wally Byam during the period
> when he worked for Curtis Wright. I can't figure how I could get this one by
> my wife, so am passing on it myself.
>
>
> Penny Taylor has listed a 1953 22' Silver Streak in the free Classified Ads on
> my site. Pictures of the unit are located at:
> http://www.tompatterson.com/Silverstreak/Pictures/195322ftclipper/Clipper22.h
> tml if anyone is interested.
>
> The trailer looks promising for restoration. The floor appears solid and the
> unit appears to be without leaks.
>
> -Tom
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:09:36 -0600
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Forrest,
That could be the problem. Randy did mention that he was an early adopter,
so his tuner may not be the best at handling multipath. The fact that he is
currently depending on signals bounced off a water tower could also be part
of the problem. Bounced signals can work, but they are typically weaker,
and they may have more multipath interference than even a direct line of
sight signal. If my memory serves me correct, Denver has all its TV
transmission towers up near Golden. Is Randy located such that he can't get
a clear line of sight to those towers? Another thing to know is that many
broadcasters are STILL not operating their ATSC transmitters at full power.
They whine about the cost of electricity and that no one is watching anyway
(they have pretty much dropped this line over the last year though). The
FCC has not taken kindly to this practice as low power status was intended
for testing and initial calibration, not actual operation, and has mandated
that the DTV transmitters be run a full legally authorized power. Can't
remember the deadline for full power as mandate, but I can look it up if
anyone is interested. If Randy has a combination of an older designed ATSC
tuner plus depending on signals bounced off a water tower, then he has a
good recipe for poor ATSC reception. It is not so much a matter of the
antenna as it is the quality of the signal arriving at the antenna. In NYC,
as part of a proof of concept, apartment dwellers were given basically
nothing more than rabbit-ear antennas along along with ATSC tuners and found
that they had no more and in many cases less problems with ATSC signals than
they did with NTSC. But the fact remains, that if there is a lot of
multipath interference and you can't go with highly directional antennas,
then you better have a fairly recent ATSC tuner.
David
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Forrest McClure
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:43 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
David,
I wonder if Randy has one of the early ATSC tuners, and if that might not
have been the problem he was having instead of his old UHF antenna? Randy
mentioned that he gets "all local DTV channels indirectly bounced off a
water tower 10 miles away."
Forrest
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:18:24 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Mrs. Taylor pointed out this difference. It does make this specific trailer
somewhat unique. As she said in one of her mailings, "For some reason,
maybe custom made for ventilation, mine only has 'alien-eyes' at front"
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
> Tom:
>
> The most interesting feature on this SS Clipper is the two square
> opening top hinged rear windows, which appear to be factory installed.
> They are different from the typical fixed (unopenable) rear "D" shaped
> plexiglas windows that matched those on the front of this trailer. The
> use of opening windows in the rear suggests the company was addressing
> customer complaints about lack of fresh air in the rear bedroom. I think
> within a year, the SS end windows changed from fixed "D" shaped plexiglas
> to combination units having smaller squarish fixed center panes and
> vertically hinged operable outer windows at both ends, which improved
> interior ventilation. Neat trailer!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fred Coldwell
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:28:35 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
I apologize and did say that my idea would have to be checked by experts.
Thanks for the catch.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Tidmore [mailto:dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:23 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> Bob,
> With all due respect, you need to stick to what you know. Digital
> broadcasts are absolutely free from ghosts from the end viewer's
> perspective. Multipath interference (ie ghosting) has a totally different
> effect on digital broadcast reception as compared to analog. In
> analog, the
> result is a slightly offset, faded image (ie ghost) on the screen. In
> digital, if the tuner can lock onto the signal, the multipath
> signal has NO
> effect. What multipath CAN do is so screw up the main signal so much that
> an ATSC tuner CAN'T lock onto the signal in which case you simply
> can't tune
> to the station, period. The multipath reflection problem was a big issue
> with some early ATSC receivers that could not handle the problem.
> Thanks to
> Zenith continuing to work on the issue the past several
> generations of ATSC
> tuners have gotten MUCH better at multipath rejection.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Cruiserbob
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:12 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
> Hi Forrest,
>
> I am not sure that some ghosting cannot be included in Digital Reception.
> For example if a large mirrored building is in the path between
> your antenna
> and the transmitter the secondary signal can produce the good old
> fashioned
> mirror image.
>
> I will check with the experts.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Forrest McClure [mailto:forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:32 AM
> > To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
> >
> >
> > While the Digital transmissions are ghost and shadow free they
> > are about the same quality and format (dimension wise) as the old analog
> transmissions.
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:32:43 -0600
From: "David Tidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Fred,
Okay, I am a bit confused on the Clipper story. I was unaware that they
carried a Silver Streak badging. Did all of them carry such branding? As
keeper of such information I thought you might enlighten me. Neat trailer.
A family whose kids I went to school with happened onto a Clipper back in
the early 60s. It actually had a name plate stating that it was made by
Curtis Wright. They had not idea what they had purchased at first. Lost
track of them and the trailer years ago, but the image of that trailer
really stuck in my mind.
david
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Fred Coldwell
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:04 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Tom:
The most interesting feature on this SS Clipper is the two square
opening top hinged rear windows, which appear to be factory installed.
They are different from the typical fixed (unopenable) rear "D" shaped
plexiglas windows that matched those on the front of this trailer. The
use of opening windows in the rear suggests the company was addressing
customer complaints about lack of fresh air in the rear bedroom. I
think within a year, the SS end windows changed from fixed "D" shaped
plexiglas to combination units having smaller squarish fixed center
panes and vertically hinged operable outer windows at both ends, which
improved interior ventilation. Neat trailer!
Best regards,
Fred Coldwell
Tom Patterson wrote:
> Not an Airstream, but for the vintage freaks...... I went up to New
Waverly,
> Texas on Tuesday and looked at the following trailer. It is a Clipper,
and
> not too far removed from the era when they were produced by Curtis Wright.
> The Clipper was itself designed, I understand, by Wally Byam during the
period
> when he worked for Curtis Wright. I can't figure how I could get this one
by
> my wife, so am passing on it myself.
>
>
> Penny Taylor has listed a 1953 22' Silver Streak in the free Classified
Ads on
> my site. Pictures of the unit are located at:
>
http://www.tompatterson.com/Silverstreak/Pictures/195322ftclipper/Clipper22.
h
> tml if anyone is interested.
>
> The trailer looks promising for restoration. The floor appears solid and
the
> unit appears to be without leaks.
>
> -Tom
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Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:52:25 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
Hi David:
Curtis Wright Industries, Inc., introduced their first all-aluminum
trailer, the 22' Clipper, in January 1947. It was designed by Wally
Byam when he worked for C-W just after WW II. Wally left C-W in the
Spring of 1947 and took a few people with him to restart Airstream.
C-W built and sold the 22' Clipper for just over 2 years. In the
Spring of 1949, C-W sold all rights to Silver Streak Trailer Company, El
Monte, Calif., a newly formed company which continued to build the 22'
Clipper. I have two old 1949 magazines ads, one month apart, showing
the identical trailer -- the early one by Curtis Wright and the later
one by Silver Streak. So, the 22' Clipper badging changed from Curtis
Wright Industries, Inc., to Silver Stream Trailer company in late
Spring, 1949.
Tom - here's a question for you. Are you related to Pat Patterson,
one of the three founders of Silver Streak and the later founder of
Streamline? I've noticed your fondness for a particular brand of
tailer. :)
Fred Coldwell
David Tidmore wrote:
> Fred,
> Okay, I am a bit confused on the Clipper story. I was unaware that they
> carried a Silver Streak badging. Did all of them carry such branding? As
> keeper of such information I thought you might enlighten me. Neat trailer.
> A family whose kids I went to school with happened onto a Clipper back in
> the early 60s. It actually had a name plate stating that it was made by
> Curtis Wright. They had not idea what they had purchased at first. Lost
> track of them and the trailer years ago, but the image of that trailer
> really stuck in my mind.
>
> david
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Fred Coldwell
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:04 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
>
> Tom:
>
> The most interesting feature on this SS Clipper is the two square
> opening top hinged rear windows, which appear to be factory installed.
> They are different from the typical fixed (unopenable) rear "D" shaped
> plexiglas windows that matched those on the front of this trailer. The
> use of opening windows in the rear suggests the company was addressing
> customer complaints about lack of fresh air in the rear bedroom. I
> think within a year, the SS end windows changed from fixed "D" shaped
> plexiglas to combination units having smaller squarish fixed center
> panes and vertically hinged operable outer windows at both ends, which
> improved interior ventilation. Neat trailer!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fred Coldwell
>
>
> Tom Patterson wrote:
>
>>Not an Airstream, but for the vintage freaks...... I went up to New
>
> Waverly,
>
>>Texas on Tuesday and looked at the following trailer. It is a Clipper,
>
> and
>
>>not too far removed from the era when they were produced by Curtis Wright.
>>The Clipper was itself designed, I understand, by Wally Byam during the
>
> period
>
>>when he worked for Curtis Wright. I can't figure how I could get this one
>
> by
>
>>my wife, so am passing on it myself.
>>
>>
>>Penny Taylor has listed a 1953 22' Silver Streak in the free Classified
>
> Ads on
>
>>my site. Pictures of the unit are located at:
>>
>
> http://www.tompatterson.com/Silverstreak/Pictures/195322ftclipper/Clipper22.
> h
>
>>tml if anyone is interested.
>>
>>The trailer looks promising for restoration. The floor appears solid and
>
> the
>
>>unit appears to be without leaks.
>>
>>-Tom
>>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:02:57 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
No relationship whatsoever to Pat Patterson (actually his name was James V.
Patterson). While he was building trailers in California, I was busy
growing up in western Canada.
- -Tom
>
> Tom - here's a question for you. Are you related to Pat Patterson, one
> of the three founders of Silver Streak and the later founder of
> Streamline? I've noticed your fondness for a particular brand of tailer.
> :)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:07:04 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1953 Silver Streak Clipper
David,
You can see copies of the two ads that Fred mentions at:
http://www.tompatterson.com/Silverstreak/Ads/Ads.html. The second ad
actually says "fomerly manufactured by Curtis Wright Industries" in the body
of the ad.
- -Tom
>
> C-W built and sold the 22' Clipper for just over 2 years. In the
> Spring of 1949, C-W sold all rights to Silver Streak Trailer Company, El
> Monte, Calif., a newly formed company which continued to build the 22'
> Clipper. I have two old 1949 magazines ads, one month apart, showing the
> identical trailer -- the early one by Curtis Wright and the later one by
> Silver Streak. So, the 22' Clipper badging changed from Curtis Wright
> Industries, Inc., to Silver Stream Trailer company in late Spring, 1949.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:32:08 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sarasota
Daisy,
It must be your efforts. We have had a bunch of new sign-ups for the e-mail
list lately. I was wondering why all of a sudden, and now I think I know.
- -Tom
>
> We had happy hour every afternoon, and Open House on Sat was a huge
> success. I signed up people for the club like mad.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:07:25 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Silver Streaks
Tom,
I'm no expert on Silver Streaks, confining my love to Airstreams, but with
all the posts recently about Silver Streaks, I went and photographed one
that is sitting here at Mira Mar.
It certainly is more of a house than an Airstream. More plush, bigger
closets but it's 29'+ and won't fit on my pad.
Anyway here it is for your review.
Bob Kiger
[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1975 Silver Streak.jpg]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:08:12 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Hi Tom,
I am bound by contractual agreements with one of the world's largest
software companies, not to divulge my participation in their special high
definition project. I have not submitted the latest rebuke from David, to
the experts, because I took him at face value. At issue was my assertion
that there can be ghosting or other "ghostlike" artifacts made visible on
digital transmissions.
Like David, I am an expert, but my field of expertise is videography not
transmission engineering. I think you are jumping to conclusions here and
should let things be. I have not flamed or caused anyone any difficulty and
have, praised and respected David's posts.
Now that I have been formally reprimanded, after voluntarily apologizing and
admitting that I was not an expert in that particular aspect of
transmission, I will get the re-action of my experts and will respond with
their names and credentials.
I think this is going much too far.
Bob Kiger
www.videography.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Patterson [mailto:pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:35 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> As far as I am concerned, any anonymous expert doesn't exist. If
> they can't
> be named, then they can't be quoted. I believe that I will have to agree
> 100 % with David and 0% with the "experts". David is an expert,
> and he is
> not anonymous.
>
> By the way Bob, if you are not familiar with the subject, you probably
> shoudn't bother replying yourself. Leave it to someone who does know.
>
> -Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> > Dear David,
> >
> > Here is the first, but not the last response from my experts, who will
> > have
> > to remain unnamed "or else they'd have to kill me :)
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:10:12 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Silver Streaks
I'm not going to post the Silver Streak on my website, so if anybody cares
to see it, contact me directly and I'll be happy to send a digital shot of
it.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cruiserbob [mailto:bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:07 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Silver Streaks
>
>
> Tom,
>
> I'm no expert on Silver Streaks, confining my love to Airstreams, but with
> all the posts recently about Silver Streaks, I went and photographed one
> that is sitting here at Mira Mar.
>
> It certainly is more of a house than an Airstream. More plush, bigger
> closets but it's 29'+ and won't fit on my pad.
>
> Anyway here it is for your review.
>
> Bob Kiger
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had
> a name of 1975 Silver Streak.jpg]
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:17:40 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Silver Streaks
Sorry Bob,
The list program is set up to strip all attachments from any messages sent
to the list. The reason is to protect us all by not allowing viruses to be
inadvertently or otherwise transmitted through the list.
List members do not see them, but you all would be surprised at just how
many viruses are sent to the list. They arrive addressed to the list but
from non-member addresses, so that they are automatically kicked back to me.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: [VAL] Silver Streaks
> Tom,
>
> I'm no expert on Silver Streaks, confining my love to Airstreams, but with
> all the posts recently about Silver Streaks, I went and photographed one
> that is sitting here at Mira Mar.
>
> It certainly is more of a house than an Airstream. More plush, bigger
> closets but it's 29'+ and won't fit on my pad.
>
> Anyway here it is for your review.
>
> Bob Kiger
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
> 1975 Silver Streak.jpg]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:23:38 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
I think we are going too far on this one too and need to see the end of the
thread, before we really start to see hurt feelings. My assertion was that
nameless experts mean squat as far as their expert value goes.
If you feel the need to delve further into the subject than is really
required, or desired by the list, I suggest that you take the topic off
list.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
> Hi Tom,
>
> I am bound by contractual agreements with one of the world's largest
> software companies, not to divulge my participation in their special high
> definition project. I have not submitted the latest rebuke from David, to
> the experts, because I took him at face value. At issue was my
> assertion
> that there can be ghosting or other "ghostlike" artifacts made visible on
> digital transmissions.
>
> Like David, I am an expert, but my field of expertise is videography not
> transmission engineering. I think you are jumping to conclusions here and
> should let things be. I have not flamed or caused anyone any difficulty
> and
> have, praised and respected David's posts.
>
> Now that I have been formally reprimanded, after voluntarily apologizing
> and
> admitting that I was not an expert in that particular aspect of
> transmission, I will get the re-action of my experts and will respond with
> their names and credentials.
>
> I think this is going much too far.
>
> Bob Kiger
> www.videography.org
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:41:05 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Tom
I am happy to leave it right where it is. My only fear is that there is
some confusion out there about what is needed to actually receive a High
Definition TV signal through an antenna into an Airstream.
Airstreamers (and other RVers) are actually kind of lucky. We can choose
locations that are serviced by High Definition transmitters and get the HD
signal for free. Home owners are stuck where they are, with no mobility.
Airstreamers don't need satellites or cable hookups to watch HD. All they
need is:
1. the right antenna
2. the right location
3. the right tuner/monitor.
I think ending the thread without finalizing these three concepts would be a
disservice to all list members. It's up to you.
Sincerely,
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Patterson [mailto:pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:24 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> I think we are going too far on this one too and need to see the
> end of the
> thread, before we really start to see hurt feelings. My
> assertion was that
> nameless experts mean squat as far as their expert value goes.
>
> If you feel the need to delve further into the subject than is really
> required, or desired by the list, I suggest that you take the topic off
> list.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I am bound by contractual agreements with one of the world's largest
> > software companies, not to divulge my participation in their
> special high
> > definition project. I have not submitted the latest rebuke
> from David, to
> > the experts, because I took him at face value. At issue was my
> > assertion
> > that there can be ghosting or other "ghostlike" artifacts made
> visible on
> > digital transmissions.
> >
> > Like David, I am an expert, but my field of expertise is videography not
> > transmission engineering. I think you are jumping to
> conclusions here and
> > should let things be. I have not flamed or caused anyone any
> difficulty
> > and
> > have, praised and respected David's posts.
> >
> > Now that I have been formally reprimanded, after voluntarily
> apologizing
> > and
> > admitting that I was not an expert in that particular aspect of
> > transmission, I will get the re-action of my experts and will
> respond with
> > their names and credentials.
> >
> > I think this is going much too far.
> >
> > Bob Kiger
> > www.videography.org
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:07:08 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Drop it for now. It can resume at some later date when civility rules.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
> Tom
>
> I am happy to leave it right where it is. My only fear is that there is
> some confusion out there about what is needed to actually receive a High
> Definition TV signal through an antenna into an Airstream.
>
> Airstreamers (and other RVers) are actually kind of lucky. We can choose
> locations that are serviced by High Definition transmitters and get the HD
> signal for free. Home owners are stuck where they are, with no mobility.
>
> Airstreamers don't need satellites or cable hookups to watch HD. All they
> need is:
>
> 1. the right antenna
> 2. the right location
> 3. the right tuner/monitor.
>
> I think ending the thread without finalizing these three concepts would be
> a
> disservice to all list members. It's up to you.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bob Kiger
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Patterson [mailto:pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:24 PM
>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>>
>>
>> I think we are going too far on this one too and need to see the
>> end of the
>> thread, before we really start to see hurt feelings. My
>> assertion was that
>> nameless experts mean squat as far as their expert value goes.
>>
>> If you feel the need to delve further into the subject than is really
>> required, or desired by the list, I suggest that you take the topic off
>> list.
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 5:08 PM
>> Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>>
>>
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> > I am bound by contractual agreements with one of the world's largest
>> > software companies, not to divulge my participation in their
>> special high
>> > definition project. I have not submitted the latest rebuke
>> from David, to
>> > the experts, because I took him at face value. At issue was my
>> > assertion
>> > that there can be ghosting or other "ghostlike" artifacts made
>> visible on
>> > digital transmissions.
>> >
>> > Like David, I am an expert, but my field of expertise is videography
>> > not
>> > transmission engineering. I think you are jumping to
>> conclusions here and
>> > should let things be. I have not flamed or caused anyone any
>> difficulty
>> > and
>> > have, praised and respected David's posts.
>> >
>> > Now that I have been formally reprimanded, after voluntarily
>> apologizing
>> > and
>> > admitting that I was not an expert in that particular aspect of
>> > transmission, I will get the re-action of my experts and will
>> respond with
>> > their names and credentials.
>> >
>> > I think this is going much too far.
>> >
>> > Bob Kiger
>> > www.videography.org
>>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:54:17 -0700
From: Chris Koehn <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] re: antenna crank
Bob-
I just picked up a new crank screw and gear while visiting Oasis RV in
Tucson. They are happy to mail order. Cost was $7.10 retail plus tax.
Google 'em.
Best,
Chris Koehn
at San Elijo State Beach, CA tonight..
<www.koehnjourney.blogspot.com>
"BTW, with all this talk about antennas, I broke the gear box that
turns the
exterior antenna with the inside crank. It is broken on the outside of
the
coach. The box cracked and, while it still holds up the antenna, will
not
turn it to get optimum HDTV reception.
Does anybody know where I can get a replacement.
Thanks,
Bob Kiger"
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:17:54 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Sarasota
That's great !
Hey out there ! Any questions ? It would be great to talk
about our Vintage Airstream *trailers*.......
Daisy
Tom Patterson wrote:
> Daisy,
>
> It must be your efforts. We have had a bunch of new sign-ups for the
> e-mail list lately. I was wondering why all of a sudden, and now I
> think I know.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:40:44 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] re: antenna crank
Hi Chris,
San Elijo is a very nice place. Matter of fact it is the first of 73
California State Parks to install a Hotspot for wireless access to broadband
internet. You just have to be withing 100 yards of the Park building and
have an SBC wireless account. It's about $10 per day.
I will contact Oasis RV to get the new crank screw and gear. That way I'll
be able to fine tune my reception without going out into the stormy
California weather :)
Thanks for the pointer,
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Koehn [mailto:timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:54 PM
> To: bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com; valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] re: antenna crank
>
>
> Bob-
> I just picked up a new crank screw and gear while visiting Oasis RV in
> Tucson. They are happy to mail order. Cost was $7.10 retail plus tax.
> Google 'em.
> Best,
> Chris Koehn
> at San Elijo State Beach, CA tonight..
> <www.koehnjourney.blogspot.com>
>
> "BTW, with all this talk about antennas, I broke the gear box that
> turns the
> exterior antenna with the inside crank. It is broken on the outside of
> the
> coach. The box cracked and, while it still holds up the antenna, will
> not
> turn it to get optimum HDTV reception.
>
> Does anybody know where I can get a replacement.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Kiger"
>
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:45:17 -0700
From: Roy Lashway <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Availability
I have learned of the following:
FOR SALE 1984 Airstream, 34 ft, rear twin, Emron coated trailer, (No
Acrylic Problems) New Tires 2002, New refrigerator 2002, two new
Batteries, November 2004. Fully equipped with Linens, kitchen utensils,
spare parts, hitch etc. Ready to role. For further information, call
915-566-7988 or E mail lesr81@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Roy
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:22:37 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Plug for gas valve
Two years ago I pulled out the Suburban heater that was located below the
kitchen cabinets on my 1966 Safari. I stopped demolition at a valve
attached to the gas pipe. This valve has an off/on lever, which I turned to
off.
Then the other day, I was cleaning underneath the counter, near the valve
and I noticed that I had neglected to install a plug in the output. So if I
accidentally brushed against the lever the gas could be open.
Does anybody know the right nomenclature for the plug an size need at this
valve? It is the original copper pipe.
Thanks,
Bob
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:55:44 -0600
From: Dean L <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Plug for gas valve
I think if you look under your unit you will find the main gas line.
It will have many "T's" in it and one of them will be the "T" that
feeds your old heater.. Under the unit would be the best place to cap
it off. I also think the size is a 3/8 th OD line and most any good
hardware shop should have a brass cap you could screw on then soap test
at the "T" connector under your camper.
Dean
On Mar 3, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Cruiserbob wrote:
> Two years ago I pulled out the Suburban heater that was located below
> the
> kitchen cabinets on my 1966 Safari. I stopped demolition at a valve
> attached to the gas pipe. This valve has an off/on lever, which I
> turned to
> off.
>
> Then the other day, I was cleaning underneath the counter, near the
> valve
> and I noticed that I had neglected to install a plug in the output.
> So if I
> accidentally brushed against the lever the gas could be open.
>
> Does anybody know the right nomenclature for the plug an size need at
> this
> valve? It is the original copper pipe.
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:16:51 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Plug for gas valve
Thanks Dean,
I'll get on it in the morning when True Value hardware is open.
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean L [mailto:dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 6:56 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Plug for gas valve
>
>
> I think if you look under your unit you will find the main gas line.
> It will have many "T's" in it and one of them will be the "T" that
> feeds your old heater.. Under the unit would be the best place to cap
> it off. I also think the size is a 3/8 th OD line and most any good
> hardware shop should have a brass cap you could screw on then soap test
> at the "T" connector under your camper.
> Dean
> On Mar 3, 2005, at 8:22 PM, Cruiserbob wrote:
>
> > Two years ago I pulled out the Suburban heater that was located below
> > the
> > kitchen cabinets on my 1966 Safari. I stopped demolition at a valve
> > attached to the gas pipe. This valve has an off/on lever, which I
> > turned to
> > off.
> >
> > Then the other day, I was cleaning underneath the counter, near the
> > valve
> > and I noticed that I had neglected to install a plug in the output.
> > So if I
> > accidentally brushed against the lever the gas could be open.
> >
> > Does anybody know the right nomenclature for the plug an size need at
> > this
> > valve? It is the original copper pipe.
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:14:49 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Bob
Some times things are better left alone.
Bobby G
----- Original Message -----
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I am happy to leave it right where it is. My only fear is that there is
some confusion out there about what is needed to actually receive a High
Definition TV signal through an antenna into an Airstream.
I think ending the thread without finalizing these three concepts would be
a
disservice to all list members. It's up to you.
Sincerely,
Bob Kiger
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