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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
Re: [VAL] Fans & electrostatic charges
[VAL] new valve
RE: [VAL] Fans & electrostatic charges
Re: [VAL] new valve
[VAL] Deleting old text on threads
Re: [VAL] new valve
Re: [VAL] new valve
Re: [VAL] new valve
Re: [VAL] new valve
[VAL] aluminum in Castaic CA
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Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:17:16 -0500
From: Rick Kunath <k9ao@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
(I'll continue in top-post format because of the original follow up.)
Bulls eye. Exactly right. An excellent post David.
(End of professional opinion.)
Rick Kunath
Cruiserbob wrote:
> Dear David,
>
> Did you just write this in response to my query OR did you have it stored up
> for the moment when some poor sucker would ask the question :)
>
> While I am not a high expert in this field, I know the people who are and I
> will pass your response to them and see if they feel that you have correctly
> synopsized the issue from the POV of an Airstreamer or RVer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> bob Kiger
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Tidmore [mailto:dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
>>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 1:30 PM
>>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>>
>>
>>Sorry about the dissertation that follows, but this thread has
>>opened up the
>>opportunity for a bit of education on a VERY murky subject.
>>
>>For the record, ANY antenna that will pick up the current
>>over-the-air (OTA)
>>NTSC (analog) TV signal (that includes any and all antennas that
>>mount on an
>>Airstream) will quite successfully pickup the new OTA digital ATSC format.
>>(don't confuse HDTV and ATSC...HDTV is part of ATSC, BUT ATSC does NOT
>>automatically mean HDTV). There is no such thing technically as an HDTV
>>antenna, just marketing hype to them to overcharge. Rabbit ears have been
>>shown to work just as well when the signal is sufficiently strong. At
>>present, a huge majority of ALL OTA broadcasters are currently
>>sending both
>>the old NTSC and the new ATSC signal out (even in many small towns). This
>>has been underway for over 5 years. The new digital ATSC signals
>>all reside
>>in the SAME frequency range as the old NTSC signals. The new digital ATSC
>>signals WILL, sometime over the next 5 years or so (Congress is still
>>debating a hard cutoff date) REPLACED the analog NTSC signals (ie NTSC is
>>going to DIE). The reason for the shutting off of NTSC is that
>>it requires
>>a guard channel (ie bandwidth) between each and every channel to prevent
>>interference, while the ATSC does not require those unused (ie
>>wasted) guard
>>channels. OTA broadcasters are currently using both their old NTSC
>>bandwidth and a temporary "loaned" allocation of bandwidth for ATSC (ATSC
>>uses the same 6MHz of bandwidth as NTSC). In authorizing ATSC, Congress
>>dictated that all TV was to go digital so that the unused and wasted guard
>>channels can be used for other purposes (ie sold at auction with an
>>estimated value of between $50 and 100 billion dollars). Also, the OTA TV
>>broadcasters WILL BE REQUIRED to give back either their original frequency
>>allocation or their loaned one (ie they can't keep both). There is a push
>>from the national security angle as well, as bandwidth is needed
>>to support
>>new communications systems needed within the police/fire and
>>public defense
>>authorities (there is only a finite bandwidth available, so this is all
>>about slicing up the pie). That means that at some point in the not too
>>distant future all the current NTSC tuners (that means all TVs with
>>integrated NTSC tuners...ie what you have NOW) will cease to receive
>>anything. As no politician is about to turn off grandma's TV, the
>>anticipated solution is to offer inexpensive ($50 is stated goal) set top
>>boxes that will receive the digital signals and convert them into
>>appropriate analog outputs that can be received on an older analog set.
>>There is also talk of Congress using some of the money from the
>>sale of the
>>unused bandwidth spectrum to actually subsidize the cost for low
>>income and
>>fixed income citizens. One last thing on the conversion, is that
>>even with
>>a conversion box, an old analog set will NEVER display HD quality. It may
>>display a representation of a received HD signal that has had the
>>resolution
>>downgraded to work on the old analog set, but the quality will be
>>no BETTER
>>than the current NTSC (btw, DVDs are NTSC but the quality is far
>>better due
>>to the fact that DVDs are actually digital and only at the last moment
>>converted into analog as the signal goes to the TV). DVDs just show that
>>NTSC could have always been a lot better in quality than what the US
>>population settled for years ago.
>>
>>The only way to see HighDefinition (HDTV) quality is with a 720 or 1080
>>resolution set. Both 720 and 1080 sets are wide screen (another
>>requirement
>>for HD quality viewing). So that is why you are suddenly seeing LOTS of
>>widescreen TVs advertised as well as displays on all the major
>>news sets (ie
>>the MONSTER sets on ABC evening news). BUT BEWARE, wide screen DOES NOT
>>MEAN HDTV capable. There have been and are currently wide screen displays
>>for sale that are only 480 resolution. All the lower cost Plasma sets are
>>480 resolution as are most of the lower cost LCD.
>>
>>As I mentioned above, ATSC is NOT just about HDTV, it has many resolutions
>>ranging from a much clearer version of NTSC (ie 480lines vertical) all the
>>way to 1080 lines of vertical resolution. Within the 6MHz of ATSC channel
>>bandwidth, an OTA broadcaster can chose to send a SINGLE 1080 signal, ONE
>>720 signal AND ONE standard definition(480) signal or lastly upto
>>6 standard
>>definition (480) signals and NO HD signal. Most broadcasters are
>>advocating
>>the 6 standard definition (480) signals during day, switching to HD for
>>primetime. HDTV refers to the top two resolutions of 720 and 1080. 720
>>vertical resolution is a progressive scan while the 1080 is interleaved.
>>Both achieve filmlike quality and have different strengths. 720progressive
>>is better at fast moving action such as sports while 1080 interleaved is
>>better at film. At present, CBS, UPN, NBC, PBS, HBO and Showtime have
>>chosen 1080 as their HD standard while ABC and FOX are going with
>>720. The
>>GOOD news is that the tuners that receive and decode these
>>signals do so for
>>ALL the ATSC resolutions and screen formats. During the initial setup of
>>the tuner, you identify what your display device is capable of accepting.
>>High end LCD and Plasma displays top out currently at 720 vertical lines.
>>Some HD capable displays can automatically convert 720 to 1080 or
>>vise versa
>>depending on their native display resolution. DLP based sets
>>have also been
>>720 devices but are now moving up to 1080 as are a few very high end LCDs.
>>Some rear and most front CRT based projectors are 1080 as are
>>virtually ALL
>>direct-view, HD ready, CRT sets. As for satellite, the same decoder used
>>for ATSC is ready and able to decode satellite as both are based
>>on MPEG2 (a
>>way of digitally compressing a video signal). Satellite
>>unfortunately is on
>>the move to MPEG4 (a newer, higher quality, more efficient compression
>>system, and that will require a different set top receiver, but the good
>>news is that those new boxes will also be able to decode the older MPEG2
>>signals either OTA or satellite (if you get a satellite receiver
>>capable of
>>HD MPEG4 decoding). Both Dish and DirecTV have sold HD capable set top
>>boxes for several years that receive satellite, over the air ATSC and in
>>most cases the older OTA analog NTSC. But bottomline, to receive
>>and decode
>>the new digital ATSC signal, you will need either a set with an integrated
>>ATSC tuner or a separate set top box to do the tuning and decoding. BTW,
>>satellite HDTV signals work with either 720 or 1080 displays.
>>
>>As a side note, while the ATSC standard does not include standards for a
>>1080 progressive format (at the time the ATSC standard was
>>developed it was
>>felt that it would prove far too difficult to compress 1080
>>progressive into
>>the 6MHz bandwidth allowed, so it was left out. Well, with MPEG4 now a
>>reality, 1080 progressive within 6MHz is now technically possible
>>and there
>>are a number of high end displays that can display a 1080
>>progressive signal
>>even though NO SUCH OTA signal exist presently. The satellite company's
>>move to MPEG4 is to reduced HDTV bandwidth requirements down well
>>below the
>>6MHz size so as to be able to send MORE signals thru the satellites.
>>
>>Okay, I will get down off the soapbox. Hope someone got some good out of
>>the above. This whole conversion from analog to digital TV may
>>seem to have
>>just happened, but the decision to do so was made 10 years ago.
>>Some in the
>>industry REALLY did NOT think it would ever happen, especially the cable
>>companies, many OTA broadcasters and LOTS of the consumer electronic
>>manufacturers. What they did not understand was the billions of
>>$s were at
>>stake to the Federal Treasury, so while the exact timeline might have been
>>vague, the inevitability of the situation was certain.
>>
>>So BEWARE as you buy ANY new TV. UNLESS it has an integrated ATSC tuner,
>>you will ABSOLUTELY have to add an external tuner sometime in the next few
>>years AND NEVER assume that just because you buy a set that says digital
>>that it can receive the ATSC signal. Although a few integrated ATSC tuner
>>sets were sold over the past few years. ONLY now are they really beginning
>>to come to your local Best Buy/Circuit City. Lastly, over the next couple
>>of years, ALL new TVs will be required to have integrated ATSC
>>tuners OR NO
>>TUNER at all (manufacturers can choose to not include any type of tuner so
>>that the customer can choose an appropriate set top box receiver (ie just
>>another way to get into you pocket)). This requirement is
>>already in place
>>for new large screen sets and works it way down to even the smallest set
>>eventually.
>>
>>David Tidmore
>>WBCCI #7548
>>
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Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:17:26 -0500
From: Rick Kunath <k9ao@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
(I'll continue in top-post format because of the original follow up.)
Bulls eye. Exactly right. An excellent post David.
(End of professional opinion.)
Rick Kunath
Cruiserbob wrote:
> Dear David,
>
> Did you just write this in response to my query OR did you have it stored up
> for the moment when some poor sucker would ask the question :)
>
> While I am not a high expert in this field, I know the people who are and I
> will pass your response to them and see if they feel that you have correctly
> synopsized the issue from the POV of an Airstreamer or RVer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> bob Kiger
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David Tidmore [mailto:dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
>>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 1:30 PM
>>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>Subject: RE: [VAL] TV Antennas and the future of TV
>>
>>
>>Sorry about the dissertation that follows, but this thread has
>>opened up the
>>opportunity for a bit of education on a VERY murky subject.
>>
>>For the record, ANY antenna that will pick up the current
>>over-the-air (OTA)
>>NTSC (analog) TV signal (that includes any and all antennas that
>>mount on an
>>Airstream) will quite successfully pickup the new OTA digital ATSC format.
>>(don't confuse HDTV and ATSC...HDTV is part of ATSC, BUT ATSC does NOT
>>automatically mean HDTV). There is no such thing technically as an HDTV
>>antenna, just marketing hype to them to overcharge. Rabbit ears have been
>>shown to work just as well when the signal is sufficiently strong. At
>>present, a huge majority of ALL OTA broadcasters are currently
>>sending both
>>the old NTSC and the new ATSC signal out (even in many small towns). This
>>has been underway for over 5 years. The new digital ATSC signals
>>all reside
>>in the SAME frequency range as the old NTSC signals. The new digital ATSC
>>signals WILL, sometime over the next 5 years or so (Congress is still
>>debating a hard cutoff date) REPLACED the analog NTSC signals (ie NTSC is
>>going to DIE). The reason for the shutting off of NTSC is that
>>it requires
>>a guard channel (ie bandwidth) between each and every channel to prevent
>>interference, while the ATSC does not require those unused (ie
>>wasted) guard
>>channels. OTA broadcasters are currently using both their old NTSC
>>bandwidth and a temporary "loaned" allocation of bandwidth for ATSC (ATSC
>>uses the same 6MHz of bandwidth as NTSC). In authorizing ATSC, Congress
>>dictated that all TV was to go digital so that the unused and wasted guard
>>channels can be used for other purposes (ie sold at auction with an
>>estimated value of between $50 and 100 billion dollars). Also, the OTA TV
>>broadcasters WILL BE REQUIRED to give back either their original frequency
>>allocation or their loaned one (ie they can't keep both). There is a push
>>from the national security angle as well, as bandwidth is needed
>>to support
>>new communications systems needed within the police/fire and
>>public defense
>>authorities (there is only a finite bandwidth available, so this is all
>>about slicing up the pie). That means that at some point in the not too
>>distant future all the current NTSC tuners (that means all TVs with
>>integrated NTSC tuners...ie what you have NOW) will cease to receive
>>anything. As no politician is about to turn off grandma's TV, the
>>anticipated solution is to offer inexpensive ($50 is stated goal) set top
>>boxes that will receive the digital signals and convert them into
>>appropriate analog outputs that can be received on an older analog set.
>>There is also talk of Congress using some of the money from the
>>sale of the
>>unused bandwidth spectrum to actually subsidize the cost for low
>>income and
>>fixed income citizens. One last thing on the conversion, is that
>>even with
>>a conversion box, an old analog set will NEVER display HD quality. It may
>>display a representation of a received HD signal that has had the
>>resolution
>>downgraded to work on the old analog set, but the quality will be
>>no BETTER
>>than the current NTSC (btw, DVDs are NTSC but the quality is far
>>better due
>>to the fact that DVDs are actually digital and only at the last moment
>>converted into analog as the signal goes to the TV). DVDs just show that
>>NTSC could have always been a lot better in quality than what the US
>>population settled for years ago.
>>
>>The only way to see HighDefinition (HDTV) quality is with a 720 or 1080
>>resolution set. Both 720 and 1080 sets are wide screen (another
>>requirement
>>for HD quality viewing). So that is why you are suddenly seeing LOTS of
>>widescreen TVs advertised as well as displays on all the major
>>news sets (ie
>>the MONSTER sets on ABC evening news). BUT BEWARE, wide screen DOES NOT
>>MEAN HDTV capable. There have been and are currently wide screen displays
>>for sale that are only 480 resolution. All the lower cost Plasma sets are
>>480 resolution as are most of the lower cost LCD.
>>
>>As I mentioned above, ATSC is NOT just about HDTV, it has many resolutions
>>ranging from a much clearer version of NTSC (ie 480lines vertical) all the
>>way to 1080 lines of vertical resolution. Within the 6MHz of ATSC channel
>>bandwidth, an OTA broadcaster can chose to send a SINGLE 1080 signal, ONE
>>720 signal AND ONE standard definition(480) signal or lastly upto
>>6 standard
>>definition (480) signals and NO HD signal. Most broadcasters are
>>advocating
>>the 6 standard definition (480) signals during day, switching to HD for
>>primetime. HDTV refers to the top two resolutions of 720 and 1080. 720
>>vertical resolution is a progressive scan while the 1080 is interleaved.
>>Both achieve filmlike quality and have different strengths. 720progressive
>>is better at fast moving action such as sports while 1080 interleaved is
>>better at film. At present, CBS, UPN, NBC, PBS, HBO and Showtime have
>>chosen 1080 as their HD standard while ABC and FOX are going with
>>720. The
>>GOOD news is that the tuners that receive and decode these
>>signals do so for
>>ALL the ATSC resolutions and screen formats. During the initial setup of
>>the tuner, you identify what your display device is capable of accepting.
>>High end LCD and Plasma displays top out currently at 720 vertical lines.
>>Some HD capable displays can automatically convert 720 to 1080 or
>>vise versa
>>depending on their native display resolution. DLP based sets
>>have also been
>>720 devices but are now moving up to 1080 as are a few very high end LCDs.
>>Some rear and most front CRT based projectors are 1080 as are
>>virtually ALL
>>direct-view, HD ready, CRT sets. As for satellite, the same decoder used
>>for ATSC is ready and able to decode satellite as both are based
>>on MPEG2 (a
>>way of digitally compressing a video signal). Satellite
>>unfortunately is on
>>the move to MPEG4 (a newer, higher quality, more efficient compression
>>system, and that will require a different set top receiver, but the good
>>news is that those new boxes will also be able to decode the older MPEG2
>>signals either OTA or satellite (if you get a satellite receiver
>>capable of
>>HD MPEG4 decoding). Both Dish and DirecTV have sold HD capable set top
>>boxes for several years that receive satellite, over the air ATSC and in
>>most cases the older OTA analog NTSC. But bottomline, to receive
>>and decode
>>the new digital ATSC signal, you will need either a set with an integrated
>>ATSC tuner or a separate set top box to do the tuning and decoding. BTW,
>>satellite HDTV signals work with either 720 or 1080 displays.
>>
>>As a side note, while the ATSC standard does not include standards for a
>>1080 progressive format (at the time the ATSC standard was
>>developed it was
>>felt that it would prove far too difficult to compress 1080
>>progressive into
>>the 6MHz bandwidth allowed, so it was left out. Well, with MPEG4 now a
>>reality, 1080 progressive within 6MHz is now technically possible
>>and there
>>are a number of high end displays that can display a 1080
>>progressive signal
>>even though NO SUCH OTA signal exist presently. The satellite company's
>>move to MPEG4 is to reduced HDTV bandwidth requirements down well
>>below the
>>6MHz size so as to be able to send MORE signals thru the satellites.
>>
>>Okay, I will get down off the soapbox. Hope someone got some good out of
>>the above. This whole conversion from analog to digital TV may
>>seem to have
>>just happened, but the decision to do so was made 10 years ago.
>>Some in the
>>industry REALLY did NOT think it would ever happen, especially the cable
>>companies, many OTA broadcasters and LOTS of the consumer electronic
>>manufacturers. What they did not understand was the billions of
>>$s were at
>>stake to the Federal Treasury, so while the exact timeline might have been
>>vague, the inevitability of the situation was certain.
>>
>>So BEWARE as you buy ANY new TV. UNLESS it has an integrated ATSC tuner,
>>you will ABSOLUTELY have to add an external tuner sometime in the next few
>>years AND NEVER assume that just because you buy a set that says digital
>>that it can receive the ATSC signal. Although a few integrated ATSC tuner
>>sets were sold over the past few years. ONLY now are they really beginning
>>to come to your local Best Buy/Circuit City. Lastly, over the next couple
>>of years, ALL new TVs will be required to have integrated ATSC
>>tuners OR NO
>>TUNER at all (manufacturers can choose to not include any type of tuner so
>>that the customer can choose an appropriate set top box receiver (ie just
>>another way to get into you pocket)). This requirement is
>>already in place
>>for new large screen sets and works it way down to even the smallest set
>>eventually.
>>
>>David Tidmore
>>WBCCI #7548
>>
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Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:26:50 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Fans & electrostatic charges
You might try a product called Gel Coat. In a pink can. It
is a cleaner and polish and when dry, you buff it out and it
leaves a wax coating. Appears to be realted to Walbernize.
Another thought would be Rain-Ex, that is used on car
windshields.
And also spray with silicone ?
I just had a sort of Three Stooges solution: spray the
blades with 409 and turn the fan on. That way you have to
clean the whole trailer instead of the fan blades..;}
Daisy
Cruiserbob wrote:
> Does anyone know if there were two small Kenco fans installed on the front
> overhead cabinet of 1966 Airstreams.
>
> They look vintage but might have been an aftermarket? Anyway they are still
> pushing air around nicely. Problem is that they seem to build up an
> electostatic charge and attract tenacious dirt onto the blades. I have to
> dismantle and clean them every month, just to keep them from yucking out my
> fiance' :)
>
> Is there a cure? Maybe an anti-static spray that would reduce the tendency
> of the blades to attract and hold this dirt? Any other possibilities?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Kiger
>
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Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:23:31 -0500
From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] new valve
Here's a new sewer valve you can just twist on to use. What a good idea.
Probably would be good to carry as a spare in case of old valve failure.
Bob
http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=27868&affiliateid=844
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:17:14 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Fans & electrostatic charges
Dear Daisy,
It seems like all these solutions, as well as others posted, are sort of
anectdotal "old wives tales". Certainly somewhere in the highly capitalized
world of electronics, there are geniuses that don't want the fans on their
supercomputers to look like the filter on an EasyBreeze Air Cleaner and have
developed a specific solution.
If that is the case then I figured that, with all the tech genius on
Airstream.net that somebody would know of such a product.
Rain X sounds interesting. I don't like the ideea of having to wax the
blades and cages. Much too labor intense for something that we are not sure
will work. Spraying silicone is a definite posibillity, but I have to clean
them first, so I thought I'd do all the research I could before applying any
chemicals.
Thanks to you and Gerald and all for suggestions thusfar.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daisy Welch [mailto:jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:27 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Fans & electrostatic charges
>
>
> You might try a product called Gel Coat. In a pink can. It
> is a cleaner and polish and when dry, you buff it out and it
> leaves a wax coating. Appears to be realted to Walbernize.
>
> Another thought would be Rain-Ex, that is used on car
> windshields.
>
> And also spray with silicone ?
>
> I just had a sort of Three Stooges solution: spray the
> blades with 409 and turn the fan on. That way you have to
> clean the whole trailer instead of the fan blades..;}
>
> Daisy
>
> Cruiserbob wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if there were two small Kenco fans installed
> on the front
> > overhead cabinet of 1966 Airstreams.
> >
> > They look vintage but might have been an aftermarket? Anyway
> they are still
> > pushing air around nicely. Problem is that they seem to build up an
> > electostatic charge and attract tenacious dirt onto the blades.
> I have to
> > dismantle and clean them every month, just to keep them from
> yucking out my
> > fiance' :)
> >
> > Is there a cure? Maybe an anti-static spray that would reduce
> the tendency
> > of the blades to attract and hold this dirt? Any other possibilities?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob Kiger
> >
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:31:46 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] new valve
It's a Valterra, and probably won't fit any Thetford systems.
Roger
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:14:36 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Deleting old text on threads
Tom,
I will be more careful to delete long text messages as background on future
submissions. I am sorry if it created inconvenience for members using
dial-up modems.
Sincerely,
Bob Kiger
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:30:55 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] new valve
In a message dated 3/1/2005 2:32:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net
writes:
> It's a Valterra, and probably won't fit any Thetford systems.
>
> Roger
I use an adapter because I got worn out looking for, and paying for Thetford
stuff.
There is a Thetford to "everyone else" adapter.
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:21:26 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] new valve
Hunter,
Where did you find the adaptor? It would be nice to have one handy.
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] new valve
> In a message dated 3/1/2005 2:32:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> writes:
>
>
>> It's a Valterra, and probably won't fit any Thetford systems.
>>
>> Roger
>
> I use an adapter because I got worn out looking for, and paying for
> Thetford
> stuff.
>
> There is a Thetford to "everyone else" adapter.
>
> Hunter
>
> http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
>
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
> body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
> shit...what a ride!"
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:43:45 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] new valve
In a message dated 3/1/2005 5:22:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net
writes:
> Where did you find the adaptor? It would be nice to have one handy.
Hi Roger, most RV supply places carry them....
There's one on the Valterra website.... scroll down almost to the bottom of
the page and you'll see the "Universal Adapter"
http://www.valterra.com/RV/term_assemblies.htm
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:43:00 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] new valve
Thanks Hunter.
Roger
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:24:10 -0800
From: "MK / JS" <sn2244@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] aluminum in Castaic CA
I was driving north on I-5 thru' Castaic, California (just a few miles north
of Burbank heading up over the pass) the other day and noticed at least six
vintage-looking trailers in a muddy field next to the freeway.
I think it was right where the north and south bound lanes of I-5 cross over
each other to go up the canyon.
Some were the type that have many "petal" shaped roof pieces coming together
over the rear window -- forgive my ignorance -- early sixties maybe?
anyone know anything about that motley collection of trailers?
can't resist looking in back yards for lonely vintage aluminum trailers on
my travels around western North America
Marg in Pac NW
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