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VAL Digest Monday, February 28 2005 Volume 02 : Number 172
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Sarasota
[VAL] Adding a subwoofer
Re: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
RE: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #171
[VAL] VAL Planning a trip to Yellowstone?
Re: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
[VAL] TV Antenna
[VAL] 12 volt outlets
Re: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
Re: [VAL] TV Antenna
Re: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
Re: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
[VAL] Shower Wall
Re: [VAL] Shower Wall
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:58:04 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Sarasota
OK, here goes !
Hunter and I got here on Tues, we spent two nights in the
SKPS park in Bushnell, and got parked. Hunter is back in the
pack with the fire ants, and I'm out on the road with the
Vintage.
Except for today, pouring rain to hook up in, my favorite,
and friday at exactly 4:00 PM rain for the beginning of
Hunter's list party, the weather has been great.
I've been having a great time talking trailers and just
talking. Jim Smith is here and I'm pleased to report he
talks much better than he types. A good collection of
sensible folks from Canada running away from winter, and one
trailer from Maine, some from Iniaana, and lots from FL of
course. Great to catch up with old friends and make new ones
. FYI, those trying to keep up with the Rowbottoms, they
picked up a very nice Argosy sight unseen and worked on it
all the way down to FL. It looks great, especially Terry's
Washington DC fabric on the gaucho!
Guess I better take a shower before they turn off the water.
Daisy
We had happy hour every afternoon, and Open House on Sat was
a huge success. I signed up people for the club like mad.
One guy was so stricken with Aluminitis that he went around
trying to buy trailers right out from under people.
Tricia & Conrad Holsomback wrote:
> Daisy: "That's because most of us are having too much fun at the
> Florida state Rally in Sarasota ! Well, I am anyway."
>
>
> The rest of us must just be lurking to find what is going on in
> Sarasota!!
> Tricia
>
>
> Peter Ryner wrote:
>
>
>>Sorry to bomb the list, haven't received a post since early this
>
> morning.
>
>>Pete
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:57:06 -0600
From: "Tom Williams" <TCWilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
I'm trying to figure out the best 12 volt sound system for my '67 Airstream,
and am looking hard at a subwoofer & satellite speakers. Unfortunately, the
stuff in the Crutchfield catalog is more complicated than what I dealt with
back when I was more in to car stereo.
If I am reading the literature right, it appears that, for a given CD
player/AM-FM receiver, you can either wire two speakers directly into the
unit, or run the two preamp out plugs to another amplifier. The other
amplifier provides all amplification, and the bandpass necessary to operate
the subwoofer.
I could do that, but since I have no plans to crank it up in a campground &
drain my battery, I would just as soon skip the extra amplifier.
Can anyone recommend a decent head unit that will run two small speakers
plus a subwoofer?
Or, does anyone have a better approach to adding tunes using automotive
radio gear?
Thanks,
Tom
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 07:12:13 -0800
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
Tom,
You can use any high quality CD Receiver deck for cars, preferably one
with 4x30W or so output.
Run the main speakers on 2 channels, and the subs on the other two
channels, crossed over by a suitable small passive x-over.
The fader control then lets you fine tune the subwoofers so you can add
punch or play very mellow just through your main speakers.
I recommend 2ea. 8in 4%X subs for this application. They would be hooked
up left and right, just like the main speakers. 4%X impedance will
tickle more watts out of your deck than 8%X speakers would.
If you want to go bigger, you'll be better off using a 3-channel mobile
amplifier with active crossover built in. Then you might run into
battery drain issues when boondocking.
The sound of the system will no doubt be better with the external
amplifier, even at lower volumes. Headroom in audio is like torque in
trucks. More is better.
The supply wiring, speaker wiring and overall quality of the components
will play a large role in the overall sound quality of your system.
Try this source for components and supplies: www.partsexpress.com
Wishing you much success!
Uwe Salwender
Orange CA
On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 05:57 AM, Tom Williams wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out the best 12 volt sound system for my '67
> Airstream,
> and am looking hard at a subwoofer & satellite speakers.
> If I am reading the literature right, it appears that, for a given CD
> player/AM-FM receiver, you can either wire two speakers directly into
> the
> unit, or run the two preamp out plugs to another amplifier. The other
> amplifier provides all amplification, and the bandpass necessary to
> operate
> the subwoofer.
>
> I could do that, but since I have no plans to crank it up in a
> campground &
> drain my battery, I would just as soon skip the extra amplifier.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:21:02 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
For over 5 years I have been permanently installed in a Mobile Community by
the sea in Oceanside, I listen to the Beach Boys on a 12volt powered
Cambridge SoundWorks stereo amplifier with stereo plug ins for CD/DVD (audio
only) and Auxiliary and a small short wave FM/AM radio.
I have an old Model 11 but now they have Model 12. My unit comes packed in
a single Samsonite Suitcase, which IS the subwoofer. I stowe it under the
front sofa of my 1966 Safari.
The speakers are books shelf size and fit inside the Samsonite Subwoofer
when I want to take it to a party on the sand :)
The draw on the battery is a good thing when you still use the original
Airstream UNI VOLT convertor (which legions of Airstreamers will tell you to
get rid of) BTW: I would get rid of mine . . . but "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it" After all it's only 40 years old :)
http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=port_spkr&ite
m=c1md12ee
If anyone wants a good deal on my Model 11, I want to upgrade.
Bob Kiger
bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Williams [mailto:TCWilliams@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:57 AM
> To: Vintage Airstream List (E-mail)
> Subject: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
>
>
> I'm trying to figure out the best 12 volt sound system for my '67
> Airstream,
> and am looking hard at a subwoofer & satellite speakers.
> Unfortunately, the
> stuff in the Crutchfield catalog is more complicated than what I
> dealt with
> back when I was more in to car stereo.
>
> If I am reading the literature right, it appears that, for a given CD
> player/AM-FM receiver, you can either wire two speakers directly into the
> unit, or run the two preamp out plugs to another amplifier. The other
> amplifier provides all amplification, and the bandpass necessary
> to operate
> the subwoofer.
>
> I could do that, but since I have no plans to crank it up in a
> campground &
> drain my battery, I would just as soon skip the extra amplifier.
>
> Can anyone recommend a decent head unit that will run two small speakers
> plus a subwoofer?
>
> Or, does anyone have a better approach to adding tunes using automotive
> radio gear?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:58:47 EST
From: AnnZ3@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #171
In a message dated 2/27/2005 1:00:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
That's because most of us are having too much fun at the
Florida state Rally in Sarasota ! Well, I am anyway.
We have 24 Vintage trailers here, including 3 Argosies
Daisy,
Take some pictures so I can see them and drool up here in cold New York!
Ann Dunham
http://www.whitespringslabradors.com/
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:57:28 -0500
From: joepatwink@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Joe Winkler)
Subject: [VAL] VAL Planning a trip to Yellowstone?
You have got to see geysers when you go to Yellowstone. The bears are cool, the wolves
are cool, the bison, the elk, the moose and all that are cool, but you have to see the
geysers. You could spend three or four days just getting to know the ones in the Old
Faithful complex. So go ever few minutes, some take half a day to cycle but all are worth
it.
Joe in Wyoming. (2 hours from Yellowstone, which is consitered next door in Wyoming)
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:09:50 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Adding a subwoofer
Tom:
Not exactly auto stereo gear, but have you looked at the circular
(doughnut-shaped actually) speakers that can hook directly to an iPod
or Mp3 player? Plug them into an inverter in the car, move them to the
trailer for the night, etc. All of the stuff is very small and
portable. The sound is amazing - the small volume of a car/trailer
makes this possible as I'm sure you're aware, having done car stereo.
With the iPod or other small units you can store the equivalent of
umpteen CD's and they fit in your shirt pocket.
jw
On Feb 2005, at 5:57 AM, Tom Williams wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out the best 12 volt sound system for my '67
> Airstream,
> and am looking hard at a subwoofer & satellite speakers.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:19:02 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] TV Antenna
I need to install a TV antenna on my 69 caravel. Any
suggestions? I have been looking at the Winegard Sensar II Batwing
Antenna. The original must have blown off and now I have installed a
new AC and it covers the spot where the original attached. Planning
on placing it closer to the front over the front door. Any
assistance or experience would be helpful.
Dan
14148
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:33:21 -0600
From: Daniel Childress <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
Seems that very quiet tonight. So maybe there is someone
that has experience with adding 12 volt outlets. What size of wire
did you use. (size 8 for lights, 6 for outlets) Did you use electric
boxes? In rewiring my 69 caravel, I also need to add a 12 volt fuse
block. I am looking for a source for the block. Will need one with
about 6 fuses. What size of feed cable should I use?
The block should be about 10-12 ft from the batteries/charger. Will
also need to purchase a charger/converter. If I have 4 to 6
batteries (6 volt deep cycle) I am looking for a 80 amp charger so
if the batteries are down that they can be charged quickly as the
camper is total electric. No LP.
Dan
14148
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:18:19 -0600
From: Dean L <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
It depends on your load.....
14 ga for 15 amps
12 ga for 20 amps
10 ga for 30 amps
8 ga for 40 amps
6 for 60 amps..
Your not going to be running everything at the same time...
Keep your fuse strip close to the batteries , If you can't use a heavy
#6 between the batteries and the fuse strip and a 50-60 amp breaker
right on the batteries.
Most loads you will run like a radio or tv do not take all that many
amps..
Have some fun and see you on the road.
Dean
On Feb 27, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Daniel Childress wrote:
> Seems that very quiet tonight. So maybe there is someone that has
> experience with adding 12 volt outlets. What size of wire did you
> use. (size 8 for lights, 6 for outlets) Did you use electric boxes?
> In rewiring my 69 caravel, I also need to add a 12 volt fuse block. I
> am looking for a source for the block. Will need one with about 6
> fuses. What size of feed cable should I use?
> The block should be about 10-12 ft from the batteries/charger. Will
> also need to purchase a charger/converter. If I have 4 to 6 batteries
> (6 volt deep cycle) I am looking for a 80 amp charger so if the
> batteries are down that they can be charged quickly as the camper is
> total electric. No LP.
>
> Dan
> 14148
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:22:40 -0600
From: Dean L <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] TV Antenna
You need to find a spot that the bat wing will lay down... It must face
the back and not the front... I know... :)
Faced it front and had a little wind trouble meeting a truck... OOPS
On Feb 27, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Daniel Childress wrote:
> I need to install a TV antenna on my 69 caravel. Any suggestions? I
> have been looking at the Winegard Sensar II Batwing Antenna. The
> original must have blown off and now I have installed a new AC and it
> covers the spot where the original attached. Planning on placing it
> closer to the front over the front door. Any assistance or
> experience would be helpful.
>
> Dan
> 14148
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:48:26 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
Wire sizes depend on the loads on the circuits. A few amps for lights should run
fine on 14 gauge copper. The original wiring in my '68 Caravel is 12 gauge
aluminum which has the same current carrying capacity and voltage drop as 14
gauge copper. In a 12 volt situation the limit is voltage drop for more often than
wire heating. In the National Electrical Code, 14 gauge copper is rated at 15
amps and 12 gauge copper is rated at 20 amps, while 10 gauge is rated at 30
amps. These current ratings are increased by using higher temperature insulation,
except that 12 and 14 gauge are defined to be rated at 20 and 15 amps, no
matter the insolation temperature rating. I'd go at least one common wire size
larger than the current limit to minimize voltage drop. Its possible to go too wild
ending up with conductors too large to connect to the lamp sockets, switches,
and receptacles.
The feed cable to the fuse block needs to carry the maximum load current
(maybe not the sum of the fuse sizes) without overheating or introducing
excessive voltage drop.
The Bussman division of Cooper tools makes multiple fuse blocks. I've seen them
in the local electronics store as well as at hamfests and in some catalogs. The
local electronics store has gone out of business. Looking in my Webster City RV
catalog (http://www.webstercityrv.com) they have fuse blocks and fuse block
cases. ACAR industries catalog RV-755S for 6 fuses. That's for 1/4 inch diameter
fuses. There are also fuse blocks for the modern automotive ATC style fuses. Most
distributors of Bussman fuses should have them available for either ATC or 1/4"
fuses, if not in stock. Automotive stores selling to makers of stock cars for racing
should also have them available for use where all the wiring is custom.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:30:00 -0500
From: kWilliam Jacobs <bjacobs1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 12 volt outlets
You might consider using circuit breakers. They do not cost a lot more
than fuses and last a long time.
I used them when I rebuilt the panel for my 78.
bill
25 ft Trade Wind in WV
>> Seems that very quiet tonight. So maybe there is someone that
>> has experience with adding 12 volt outlets. What size of wire did
>> you use. (size 8 for lights, 6 for outlets) Did you use electric
>> boxes? In rewiring my 69 caravel, I also need to add a 12 volt fuse
>> block. I am looking for a source for the block. Will need one with
>> about 6 fuses. What size of feed cable should I use?
>> The block should be about 10-12 ft from the batteries/charger. Will
>> also need to purchase a charger/converter. If I have 4 to 6
>> batteries (6 volt deep cycle) I am looking for a 80 amp charger so
>> if the batteries are down that they can be charged quickly as the
>> camper is total electric. No LP.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:40:37 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Shower Wall
Hello All,
I am in search of a folding shower wall, this would be for trailers
around 68. This is a half wall that folds out, cardboard inside covered
with vinyl. I'm also looking for the Bracket that holds it to the wall.
Any leads for this is appreciated.
thanks
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:15:25 -0600
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shower Wall
Don't know exactly what your after but check this link out.
http://www.imageshowers.com/Products_Coral.htm
or
http://www.ravak.com/?page=supernova3
They might help.
I used this in my Limited and my 65 tradewind by curving the track.
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-pumps-water/rv-shower-door.htm
Blair
At 09:40 PM 2/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello All,
>I am in search of a folding shower wall, this would be for trailers
>around 68. This is a half wall that folds out, cardboard inside covered
>with vinyl. I'm also looking for the Bracket that holds it to the wall.
>Any leads for this is appreciated.
>thanks
>Ed
>WBCCI/VAC 4425
>68 Sovereign
>59 Traveler
>
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