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VAL Digest Sunday, February 20 2005 Volume 02 : Number 164
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Topics in Today's Digest:
RE: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
[VAL] Silver Streak trailers
[VAL] Spare Tire Carrier
Re: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
Re: [VAL] Spare Tire Carrier
[VAL] unncecessary content
Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
[VAL] Parting out Airstream
Re: [VAL] Parting out Airstream
Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
[VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
Re: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Re: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
Re: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:07:11 -0800
From: "Cruiserbob" <bob@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
Hi All,
I am confused about whether we are talking about Silver Streaks or Port
Angeles or a new Conferacy, but for the sake of communion, I offer an
alternative union at the bottom of this message.
Bob Kiger
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheyanne & Randy [mailto:bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:35 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
>
>
> Sounds good to me. Port Angeles is a nice place; we went there many
> times while living in Port Townsend. It is a beautiful area, isn't it?
>
> Cheyanne
> On Friday, Feb 18, 2005, at 13:02 US/Central, Dillonvdill@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>
> > Cheyyane,
> > I'm located in Port Angeles WA, gateway to the Olympic National Park
> > and
> > across the pond from Victoria Canada. I know of beautiful waterfront
> > and mountain
> > places to park. If anyone else is interested, maybe we could have a
> > mini
> > ralley, I could play tour guide.
> > Vanessa
> > 1958 Overlander 26'
> >
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> --
> How about a new Confederacy that combines the West Coast North Eastern
> states and Canada, all joined together in a new Union of Provinces and
> States based on rational and democratic principles? This would leave
> the cowboy heartland and the South to the creationist fate they deserve
> not to mention the series of hurricanes that either the global
> warming they dont believe in or the God they do is sending as a
> message to them. --Ian Williams, Alternet
>
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I've toured from Canada down to Mexico with a bicycle and later with an RV.
The scenery around Port Townshend and Port Angeles is awesome. Victoria is
one of the most charming cities in the US.
As to the idea of joining Canada and the Northeastern States into a new
Confederacy, down here in Sunny Southern California, I would prefer a total
North American Union, like the European Union, with no borders or
restrictions between Canada, USA and Mexico. Then all the snow birds could
buy a piece of beachfront in Baja and Mexican laborers could work legally.
We could apply total "Homeland Security" to all North America and save all
the money wasted on border security, which doesn't work anyway.
We would promote inter-cultural exchange. I am already learning Spanish . .
. why not French.
Bottom line would be that the Arctic provides an adequate Northern border
and is fully secure and the south of Mexico would be a lot more manageble a
border than is California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Think about it
and spread it amongst yourselves. I am not alone in this thinking.
It is not a provacative joke. It is a real idea, whose time has come.
Resource, labor, energy, commerce, geographic variety unparalled anywhere in
the world, if we put it together.
Sincerely,
Bob Kiger
http://cruiserbob.com
Oceanside, CA
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 05:06:15 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
Looks like the response to Ben Harper's Message Board posting on my site has
been overwhelming. Below is a copy of his latest posting in which he explains
how he intends to proceed.
I will forward all additional information that I receive on to this list as
soon as I receive such information.
- -Tom
___________________________________________
Hello Again,
First, I would like to personally thank Tom Patterson for forwarding my
posting to so many different vintage trailer sites, as well as providing such
a great forum for vintage trailer owners.
I would also like to let everyone know that I have been receiving many emails,
at a rate I wasn't quite prepared for, and that I am making every effort to
respond to everyones requests.
In the last 2 days I have received more than 300 emails requesting everything
from manuals to appliances, Linens to the purchase of the trailers.
I appreciate everyones patience while I sort through the emails. As I stated
in an earlier posting, I will be setting up a website with digital photos of
the trailers and a full accounting of the inventory.
I will post and email Tom Patterson when the site is up, seeing that he seems
to be one of the foremost authorities on getting information out to all of the
Vintage Fans.
Sincerely
Ben Harper
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 20:11:06 -0500
From: Mark Pate <spectrumnc@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Spare Tire Carrier
Thanks to all for the information provided on our '66GT spare tire carrier.
The spare is the same brand and size as the other wheels - 7.00 x 15" bias
trailer tires on what appears to be the original wheels. Our Prowler has
225/70/15 radials that are wider and lower profile. The weight distribution
hitch I have is a new Eaz-Lift unit. I am no expert, but the quick hookups
already on the GT frame matched perfectly to that unit, so I would guess
the Airstream system is close. If I can figure a way around the quick hook
up clearance problem, I think this spare tire frame is a much better
alternative to doing any underbody modifications. Reading all of your posts
in the past also indicates a rear carrier is not a good idea because of the
added weight in the back which apparently can cause some frame issues.
If any of you would like to see a photo of this frame, e-mail me off list
and I will send you a couple of shots. As far as I can tell, the only
modification necessary was moving the LP bottles forward.
Mark Pate
'66 GT
'50 Spartan Mansion
'92 F350 PS
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:32:27 EST
From: Dillonvdill@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Silver Streak trailers
Sorry Yahl,
I guess I'm the one that got off the wrong track by going from Silver Streaks
to inviting folks up to my stomping grounds this summer, all in one breath!!
Vanessa
1958 Overlander
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:30:30 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Spare Tire Carrier
> If any of you would like to see a photo of this frame, e-mail me off list
> and I will send you a couple of shots. As far as I can tell, the only
> modification necessary was moving the LP bottles forward.
>
> Mark Pate
> '66 GT
> '50 Spartan Mansion
> '92 F350 PS
Hi again Mark:
Are you sure the bottles were moved? As you know, I have the same
arrangement and mine weren't. If the bottles were moved, there wouldn't be
enough clearance to rotate the jack handle (unless you have 20# unstead of
30# bottles. Would be a knuckle buster with the 30s)
Interestingly, the '68 Safaris I've seen have the underbody spare mounting
arrangement. In this design, the bottles are actually moved aft. The
A-frame configuration is also widened, which allows the bottles to be
supported down between the A-frame members, rather than on top like you and
I have.
Check it out.
GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:44:50 -0500
From: Mark Pate <spectrumnc@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] unncecessary content
I would appreciate it if some folks would refrain from adding non-subject
related content to their posts. I happen to fit in all the following
categories, and find it extremely offensive. It has no place on this list.
Mark Pate
Stanley, NC
"How about a new Confederacy that combines the West Coast North Eastern
states and Canada, all joined together in a new Union of Provinces and
States based on rational and democratic principles? This would leave the
cowboy heartland and the South to the creationist fate they deserve, not to
mention the series of hurricanes that either the global
warming they don't believe in , or the God they do, is sending as a
message to them. --Ian Williams, Alternet"
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:23:14 EST
From: Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
I think they have been outlawed. Years ago there was a lot of talk and
stories about split rims, killing and maiming people working on remounting these
tires. To but it bluntly they are dangerous. You may find it difficult, to
find folks out on the road who will work with them. I worked in a service
station in the early sixties, my manager would not allow us to work with them. Many
things change along the way, it is time to move on to a better wheel and
avoid problems. Fix it now so it will not be a headache later.
Martin and Rachel Hughey
WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
1969 International and 1961 Bambi
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:31:39 -0500
From: Lee Fields PCS <leefields@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
a little bit of needed subject information on this list.....
i trust in God Almighty too....
cause the sun to shine
cause the wind to blow
cause the rain to fall
look after my family
take care of things that only He can do
and to enlighten mark pates mind as to the true nature of things....
"some are chosen,...some are not" John Calvin....
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:44:50 -0500, Mark Pate <spectrumnc@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> I would appreciate it if some folks would refrain from adding non-subject
> related content to their posts. I happen to fit in all the following
> categories, and find it extremely offensive. It has no place on this list.
>
> Mark Pate
> Stanley, NC
>
> "How about a new Confederacy that combines the West Coast North Eastern
> states and Canada, all joined together in a new Union of Provinces and
> States based on rational and democratic principles? This would leave the
> cowboy heartland and the South to the creationist fate they deserve, not to
> mention the series of hurricanes that either the global
> warming they don't believe in , or the God they do, is sending as a
> message to them. --Ian Williams, Alternet"
>
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>
- --
Lee Fields
PCS Professional Coach Services
1-800-925-9855
www.pcsflorida.us
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:24:39 -0600
From: "Brian Jenkins" <jenkins1924@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Parting out Airstream
Hello All,
I am reluctantly parting out my '57 Overlander. It is off the frame, so the
entire frame or frame crossmembers are available, as well as all of the body
panels and windows. You can drop me an email with parts requests as well as
watch Ebay. I'll be listing a lot of parts there.
Brian Jenkins
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:39:10 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Parting out Airstream
Brian,
Where are you located?
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Brian Jenkins wrote:
> Hello All,
> I am reluctantly parting out my '57 Overlander. It is off the frame,
> so the entire frame or frame crossmembers are available, as well as
> all of the body panels and windows. You can drop me an email with
> parts requests as well as watch Ebay. I'll be listing a lot of parts
> there.
> Brian Jenkins
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:53:51 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
In a message dated 2/19/2005 7:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leefields@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> a little bit of needed subject information on this list.....
Hardly...... please spare us.
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:46:12 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
I am out of town with only sporatic access to the internet, or I would have
caught all of this nonsense earlier.
Lets all stay on topic. If you don't know what is not fitting for the list,
you probably don't belong on the list.
- -Tom
>
>
>> a little bit of needed subject information on this list.....
>
> Hardly...... please spare us.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:49:08 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Here is the latest message posted by Ben Harper on my website:
- -Tom
__________________________________________________________
I need a little help.
I have had several offers from restoration shops and private parties to buy
all of the inventory, not the trailers, just the inventory.
Though I am very tempted to do so, I have a concern now about doing so after
receiving so many emails from vintage owners and their needs for parts. I now
realize that it is the inventory that is the treasure that everyone has been
seeking and selling it to a single source may not be the best for the
collective owners of vintage Silver Streak Trailers.
My major concern would be the the inventory would be jacked up to a very high
and unfair price. Even though I know that the value of anything is the cost
that the market will bear, I believe that my Grandfather would be very
disappointed with the aspect of only a select few being able to obtain parts
to restore and enjoy their trailers.
So here is my question to all of you Vintage Fans. How would you like to see
this inventory sold / distributed?
After 3 days of emails, I now know that I want to take a very fair approach to
the sale of the inventory.
Please feel free to email your suggestions to me. I will sort through them
over the next several days and then post the process I feel most fair.
Thanks
Ben Harper
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:11:31 -0800
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
I could not agree with you more.
Why risk someone's well being for the meager price of 4 new ( or even
used) trailer wheels?
Uwe Salwender
Orange CA
On Saturday, February 19, 2005, at 11:23 AM, Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> I think they have been outlawed. Years ago there was a lot of talk and
> stories about split rims, killing and maiming people working on
> remounting these
> tires. To but it bluntly they are dangerous. You may find it
> difficult, to
> find folks out on the road who will work with them. I worked in a
> service
> station in the early sixties, my manager would not allow us to work
> with them. Many
> things change along the way, it is time to move on to a better wheel
> and
> avoid problems. Fix it now so it will not be a headache later.
>
>
>
> Martin and Rachel Hughey
> WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
> 1969 International and 1961 Bambi
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:21:35 -0800
From: "Dallas Blair" <photo@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Ben, As a collector I would vote to put everything up for auction at one
location and let everyone come and bid...You could break the materials down
into the size units you wish to distribute...You would get a good return and
more than one person can Purchase the good stuff...Please allow the little
collectors like myself to bid on the trailers.Thanks Dallas Blair
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Patterson
To: vintagetrailerclub@xxxxxxxxxx.com ; sslist@xxxxxxxxxx.com ; Vintage
Airstream List
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 7:49 PM
Subject: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Here is the latest message posted by Ben Harper on my website:
-Tom
__________________________________________________________
I need a little help.
I have had several offers from restoration shops and private parties to buy
all of the inventory, not the trailers, just the inventory.
Though I am very tempted to do so, I have a concern now about doing so
after
receiving so many emails from vintage owners and their needs for parts. I
now
realize that it is the inventory that is the treasure that everyone has
been
seeking and selling it to a single source may not be the best for the
collective owners of vintage Silver Streak Trailers.
My major concern would be the the inventory would be jacked up to a very
high
and unfair price. Even though I know that the value of anything is the cost
that the market will bear, I believe that my Grandfather would be very
disappointed with the aspect of only a select few being able to obtain
parts
to restore and enjoy their trailers.
So here is my question to all of you Vintage Fans. How would you like to
see
this inventory sold / distributed?
After 3 days of emails, I now know that I want to take a very fair approach
to
the sale of the inventory.
Please feel free to email your suggestions to me. I will sort through them
over the next several days and then post the process I feel most fair.
Thanks
Ben Harper
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:50:36 -0600
From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
If no one wants the curtain "hooks", or sliders (I'm not sure what they
are called), we could use them for our 77 Overlander. thanks, Cheyane
On Saturday, Feb 19, 2005, at 21:49 US/Central, Tom Patterson wrote:
> Here is the latest message posted by Ben Harper on my website:
>
> -Tom
> __________________________________________________________
>
> I need a little help.
>
> I have had several offers from restoration shops and private parties
> to buy
> all of the inventory, not the trailers, just the inventory.
>
> Though I am very tempted to do so, I have a concern now about doing so
> after
> receiving so many emails from vintage owners and their needs for
> parts. I now
> realize that it is the inventory that is the treasure that everyone
> has been
> seeking and selling it to a single source may not be the best for the
> collective owners of vintage Silver Streak Trailers.
>
> My major concern would be the the inventory would be jacked up to a
> very high
> and unfair price. Even though I know that the value of anything is the
> cost
> that the market will bear, I believe that my Grandfather would be very
> disappointed with the aspect of only a select few being able to obtain
> parts
> to restore and enjoy their trailers.
>
> So here is my question to all of you Vintage Fans. How would you like
> to see
> this inventory sold / distributed?
>
> After 3 days of emails, I now know that I want to take a very fair
> approach to
> the sale of the inventory.
>
> Please feel free to email your suggestions to me. I will sort through
> them
> over the next several days and then post the process I feel most fair.
>
> Thanks
> Ben Harper
>
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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there
be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of
blind-folded fear." --Thomas Jefferson
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 22:54:32 -0600
From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] unncecessary content
I wasn't aware that that was at the bottom of my post. It is one of
about a hundred that my husband has on our computer and they just
randomly are added at the bottom of the messages. Sorry to offend
anyone, it was not my intention. It was not written by me as part of
the post.
Cheyannne
On Saturday, Feb 19, 2005, at 06:44 US/Central, Mark Pate wrote:
> I would appreciate it if some folks would refrain from adding
> non-subject
> related content to their posts. I happen to fit in all the following
> categories, and find it extremely offensive. It has no place on this
> list.
>
> Mark Pate
> Stanley, NC
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:12:37 -0800
From: Sarah Calhoun <srcalhoun@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Silver Streak Trailers
Ben -- as you have discovered, you have inherited an amazing resource, a once in a
lifetime opportunity for a lot of people to get original items for these great
trailers, not to mention the trailers themselves. Letting vintage owners have an
opportunity to buy pieces of the collection directly from you would be most
appreciated, although no doubt quite a lot more work for you than just selling the
whole lot to one purchaser and having them come and cart it off. If you can
survive it though, you will have made so many friends all over the country, and
even beyond, and if you want it to be, your life can be forever enriched by this
thoughtful effort. And why not keep a trailer or two for yourself, you might find
you enjoy the world of vintage trailer folk!
I hope you can find a way to sell directly, maybe you can get some help from
willing friends/family or even hire some high school kids to help with the
packaging and sending of purchased items? Or maybe if you say where you are
located, some nearby VAC and/or SS club might help you out with some volunteer
labor? If you have multiple duplicates of so many things (upwards of 25 each I
think you said), once you sort through the emails you might find you have enough
for all the takers of at least some of the items; you could meet those requests
and then decide whether to auction off the rest or at that point to sell the
remainder to a dealer or dealers. I'm sure people on the various lists you have
discovered could give you feedback about which ones are fair and helpful in their
business practices.
Good luck with your decision, and good for you in trying to honor what your
grandfather would have wanted you to do with his legacy.
- --Sarah
Tom Patterson wrote:
> Here is the latest message posted by Ben Harper on my website:
>
> -Tom
> __________________________________________________________
>
> I need a little help.
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