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VAL Digest V2 #156
VAL Digest Saturday, February 12 2005 Volume 02 : Number 156
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] darn roof leak, help!
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #155
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
[VAL] Re: VAL membership
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL membership
Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
[VAL] copper canyon flatbed
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
[VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
RE: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
RE: [VAL] Corning Windows
Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
[VAL] VAC Dues
Re: [VAL] VAC Dues
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] VAC Dues
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:42:28 -0600
From: "Brian Brown" <bbrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] darn roof leak, help!
Interesting Tom, West Coast is in Ca, and SC is just 200 miles from me.. I
wonder if they have a direct phone line to Myrtle Beach. We go there every
year for vacation. Maybe I will just go by that store when we are there in
May
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] darn roof leak, help!
>I found Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure at Camping World. This was
>the small sized bottle .... for good measure I had West Marine order the
>big bottle for me that is about $15.00 but they had to "bring it in" from a
>store in Myrtle Beach, SC.
>
> Tom Meeker
> WBCCI 5303
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Brown" <BBrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] darn roof leak, help!
>
>
>> Quick Report,
>>
>> Roof leak fixed!... I used Parbond on the seams and it stopped all the
>> rain. It was easy and cheap.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Daisy Welch" <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] darn roof leak, help!
>>
>>
>>>I third that !
>>>
>>> Daisy
>>>
>>> Glyn Judson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> I double what Gary just wrote. Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack
>>>> Cure is
>>>> a real product and works like a son of a gun. During a recent rain
>>>> spate
>>>> that lasted almost three weeks, I noticed a bead of water making its
>>>> way
>>>> down my curbside window screen. With only one simple application of
>>>> the
>>>> Cure along the top edge of the window frame, the leak stopped
>>>> immediately.
>>>> This mind you, even while the rain was pouring down.
>>>>
>>>> Glyn Judson
>>>> 1969 Caravel #508
>>>> Santa Monica CA
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>>>>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:18:00 -0800
>>>>>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [VAL] darn roof leak, help!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>sooooooooo... I need to know what that "wicking" sealant name is... so
>>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>can
>>>>>
>>>>>>go and get some and seal the seams and rivits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks everyone in advance for your help
>>>>>>Brian Brown
>>>>>>AKA "Can Da Mimium"
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Brian:
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like a job for Captain Trolley's Creeping Crack Cure. Available
>>>>>at
>>>>>West Marine Products:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.westmarine.com
>>>>>
>>>>>$12.99 / 20 oz squirt bottle
>>>>>
>>>>>West Marine Model No. 243990
>>>>>
>>>>>Have fun...
>>>>>
>>>>>GQ '67 Safari
>>>>>4082 in CA
>>>>>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 08:56:49 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #155
To all of you who are now going to read their VA's mailing lable...
There was an error that was beyond my control. They should of read "Paid
through" not "paid to". So if you have 2005 on the lable you are OK for this
year. If you have 2004 you past due and your membership has expired. Most
people seem to have caught this mistake on their own, but everyone else who
had a 2005 date, and mailed in a check is now paid through 2006.
Scott Scheuermann
VAC Membership
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:42:26 -0800
> From: "Erica Haaseth" <eriboberi@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
>
> Scott,
> I'm reading my VAC address label & it says "dues paid to 2005". So I guess
> owe you a check! No need to send me a reminder. Save a stamp!
> Erica Haaseth
> >------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:26:32 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Hi GAS,
You do owe for your subscription. Find attached renewel
form. I'm pretty sure that we are switching to a Jan to Jan,
so if you pay now, you will be OK until the end of 2005. but
then again....
Daisy ( DPW )
gshippen wrote:
> Hi Daisy,
> Have been meaning to send in my dues, how much do I owe for 2005?
> Gerald Shippen (aka: GAS)
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:10:12 EST
From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Hi,
Me, too. Do I owe dues right now? I have no idea. My name is Linda Hess
O'Dell at 276 Valley View Road, Swall Meadows, CA 93514. I am happy to pay.
Linda
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:19:06 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
Bobby, I finally made the copy of the page from my service manual. If you
still want a copy sand me your fax # or address.
Don Hardman
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
> Don
> Could you scan it and e-mail it?
> If so I'd like to see it, my '73 has a place for the tire under the front
but
> the bars are not there. If you can't scan it send me your PH# and I'll
call
> you and let you know my answering machine is off before you FAX it.
> Thanks
> Bobby G
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Hardman<mailto:donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
>
>
> My 76 A/S has the factory installed spare tire carrier under the front
> trailer body. My service manual has a page with detailed drawing if that
> would be of help. Send me an address or fax number and I will copy and
send
> it to you if you like.
>
> Don Hardman
> donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net<mailto:donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 10:50:05 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL membership
Roger you are spreading a bunch of misinformation, adding to confusion and
making my job harder and even more time consuming. WBCCI dues are not due in
July!!!
They are on a calendar year basis (check your blue book if you have one, or
contact your local unit's treasurer.) There is an earlier cutoff date of Nov
1 for inclusion in the Membership Directory.
What starts in July is a "free period" for those who join later in the year,
so they don't unfairly pay a full year's dues for a half year's (or less)
membership. The VAC also does this to be fair to new members.
Wayne and Linda Moore did not always send out dues reminder notices. I am
under the impression that they never did, but I don't know that for sure.
What I do know for sure is that by the time Wayne handed the job over to me
that the practice was long gone. Much of my first year on the job was spent
renewing people who's dues had expired AT LEAST a year prior, sometimes two
or more years prior. The one reoccurring comment that they made was, "I
didn't receive a dues notice." This was after repeated notices in the VA
which they obviously did not read, and an email notice that Wayne tried.
Sometimes it just takes missing 2 years worth of newsletters for some people
to realize that there is a problem and to do something about it.
It was only after showing the board that since 2002 we have had a miserable
50% member renewal rate did I get the money budgeted to me to pay for a
renewal notice. A mailing is a last ditch effort here. 1st were repeated
pleas in the VA. 2nd was email notices. Boy there were a lot of bounced
emails! The board looked at several options other than another mailing, each
was struck down due to cost.
I would love to use the bulk mail option, but do not have that info
available to me, nor was it offered by the board, which tells me that no one
on the board really knows about it, or thinks that it is too much of a
bother. But the advantage of going the first class route is that they will
be forwarded if a change of address is on file, and returned if
undeliverable. Right now we have someone who has paid through 2009 whose new
address we cannot find! You would be astounded if you knew how much bulk
mail disappears without reaching the recipient or being returned to us even
with forwarding/return service being requested.
I'm getting off my soapbox now.
Scott Scheuermann
VAC Membership
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:19:07 -0700
> From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
>
> As Scott stated in his article, the dues year was changed to match that of
> WBCCI, which means the renewal month should be July. However, the bottom
of
> the article states "It is time to renew your subscription to the
VA......."
>
> As I recall, when Wayne and Linda Moore were handling the membership, they
> always sent out renewal notices. I would like to see that continued. As
> far as cost, the notices could be mailed under the same permit number that
> the VA is mailed under, reducing the cost a bit.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
> 1975 31' Sovereign
> 2002 Ford F-250 PSD
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:14:01 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL membership
OK. Since I receive my WBCCI renewal form in July, I assumed that was the
time period. I have always paid my VAC dues in July or August.
My apologies for the confusion.
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL membership
> Roger you are spreading a bunch of misinformation, adding to confusion and
> making my job harder and even more time consuming. WBCCI dues are not due
> in
> July!!!
>
> They are on a calendar year basis (check your blue book if you have one,
> or
> contact your local unit's treasurer.) There is an earlier cutoff date of
> Nov
> 1 for inclusion in the Membership Directory.
>
> What starts in July is a "free period" for those who join later in the
> year,
> so they don't unfairly pay a full year's dues for a half year's (or less)
> membership. The VAC also does this to be fair to new members.
>
> Wayne and Linda Moore did not always send out dues reminder notices. I am
> under the impression that they never did, but I don't know that for sure.
> What I do know for sure is that by the time Wayne handed the job over to
> me
> that the practice was long gone. Much of my first year on the job was
> spent
> renewing people who's dues had expired AT LEAST a year prior, sometimes
> two
> or more years prior. The one reoccurring comment that they made was, "I
> didn't receive a dues notice." This was after repeated notices in the VA
> which they obviously did not read, and an email notice that Wayne tried.
>
> Sometimes it just takes missing 2 years worth of newsletters for some
> people
> to realize that there is a problem and to do something about it.
>
> It was only after showing the board that since 2002 we have had a
> miserable
> 50% member renewal rate did I get the money budgeted to me to pay for a
> renewal notice. A mailing is a last ditch effort here. 1st were repeated
> pleas in the VA. 2nd was email notices. Boy there were a lot of bounced
> emails! The board looked at several options other than another mailing,
> each
> was struck down due to cost.
>
> I would love to use the bulk mail option, but do not have that info
> available to me, nor was it offered by the board, which tells me that no
> one
> on the board really knows about it, or thinks that it is too much of a
> bother. But the advantage of going the first class route is that they will
> be forwarded if a change of address is on file, and returned if
> undeliverable. Right now we have someone who has paid through 2009 whose
> new
> address we cannot find! You would be astounded if you knew how much bulk
> mail disappears without reaching the recipient or being returned to us
> even
> with forwarding/return service being requested.
>
> I'm getting off my soapbox now.
>
> Scott Scheuermann
> VAC Membership
>
>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:19:07 -0700
>> From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
>>
>> As Scott stated in his article, the dues year was changed to match that
>> of
>> WBCCI, which means the renewal month should be July. However, the bottom
> of
>> the article states "It is time to renew your subscription to the
> VA......."
>>
>> As I recall, when Wayne and Linda Moore were handling the membership,
>> they
>> always sent out renewal notices. I would like to see that continued. As
>> far as cost, the notices could be mailed under the same permit number
>> that
>> the VA is mailed under, reducing the cost a bit.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
>> 1975 31' Sovereign
>> 2002 Ford F-250 PSD
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:36:36 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
Don
Thanks. I'll turn the FAX machine on right after I log off the net, should be
on for about 2 hours. I that doesn't work my address is: 3801 Robin Lane
Valdosta,
GA 31605
Phone 229-241-0842
(fax)
Thanks
Bobby
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To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
Bobby, I finally made the copy of the page from my service manual. If you
still want a copy sand me your fax # or address.
Don Hardman
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:35:37 -0800
From: "C. Hale" <chale@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
Subject: [VAL] copper canyon flatbed
Hello Travelers,
I want to take my travel trail on the flatbed copper canyon tour. I have
(at least) two questions I'm looking for information on:
Must you sign up for a long caravan or can you book individually ...are
there spontaneous groups that occur at loading?
I think I want to go down the canyon from East to West but am looking for
experienced traveler's opinions about this.
Thank you for your advice.
Cindy Hale
60 Traveler
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:08:02 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Hey Linda - where's Swall Meadows? Are you near San Luis Obispo?
Jo Ann
On Feb 2005, at 7:10 AM, Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Me, too. Do I owe dues right now? I have no idea. My name is Linda
> Hess
> O'Dell at 276 Valley View Road, Swall Meadows, CA 93514. I am happy to
> pay.
>
> Linda
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Wayne A. Moore"
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Hi Gang,
Looks like is we need to digress a bit into the differences between membership,
subscriptions, the renewal process and the club in general. For those that are
interested in the detail, I offer the following:
As has been reported by a number of listees, the Vintage Airstream Club is a
component of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International. This main organization
dates back to 1955 when Wally Byam was still alive and those that traveled with
him on Caravans throughout the northern hemisphere, wanted to create a nationwide
network of more local regional organizations for the purposes of fellowship and
travel adventure.
In 1993 a group of WBCCI members petitioned the WBCCI International Board of
Trustees for a charter to establish the Vintage Airstream Intra-club, known outside
the WBCCI as the Vintage Airstream Club. The requirements for intra-club membership
were: membership in the WBCCI and ownership of a trailer designated by the club as
an Airstream Trailer that is at least 25 years old. This includes all trailers
designed and manufactured by Wally Byam and all trailers manufactured by Airstream
Inc.
Beginning in 1994 the intra-club began accepting WBCCI members who's trailer met the
requirements (1969 and older). As time went on, Vintage Airstreams became more popular
both nationally and internationally. Demand for the trailers skyrocketed and prices
rose sharply beginning around 1997 through the present. The club began to see an
increase in interest as non members searched for any an all information relative to
ownership, repair and maintenance of these icons of American wanderlust.
As a service to our members and an enticement to non members to join, the 'Vintage Club"
began to expand and produce a series of articles in our newsletters on how to maintain
and upgrade these trailers. Interest in the newsletter, the "Vintage Advantage", began
to take on a life of its own and widespread issuance on a subscription basis began
around the time the present editor Bryan Burkhart took over from Tom Howarth in late 1999.
In early 2000 there were nearly as many "Vintage Advantage" subscribers as there were
members, this is where confusion started, regarding membership and subscriptions. We
referred to subscribers as "friends" of the VAC, implying a membership of sorts. In fact
the purpose of the subscription was intended to be a prelude to membership. Some of the
uninformed attempted to explain this as being members of the VAC but not members of the
WBCCI and it seemed to have perpetuated itself to this day. Even after an attempt by the
VAC Board to separate subscriptions from membership the confusion persists. To compound
matters, some subscribers believe that the subscription entitles them to unlimited
participation in rallies and caravans without becoming members of the WBCCI. In part the
Internet and the discussion list have helped to blurr the lines of distinction as folks
associated with the list and website, not the club, attempt to understand how all these
pieces fit together.
Let me be perfectly clear, everyone that owns a Vintage Airstream Trailer is entitled to
come to any WBCCI Event, anywhere, anytime.......once!
After you have had your initial introduction you will either be totally smitten or
completely turned off by the experience. We give you a chance to come check us out and we
are all betting you will keep coming coming back. Just give us the courtesy of notifying
the event host of your desire to participate and pay the camping and event fees and YOUR
IN for that event.
The VA list began as the VAC list, accessible from the original airstream.net website in
the mid nineties. The site and the list were owned and maintained by then webmaster, Ewan
McDonald. As the site and the list became more popular, The offerings on the site needed
to be expanded to continue to entice new members and provide the public with a resource
for Vintage Airstream media outside of rallies and caravans. The VAC board decided to
purchase the original site and content and add our own webmaster, R.J. Dial. The list and
site were managed by RJ with great success and we owe him a debt of gratitude for the
countless hours he spent in adding content and maintaining the site. As the story goes,
interests and involvement in clubs comes and goes. RJ needed to move on to what most of us
who have been involved in the intra club any length of time have done, and that is attending
to our trailers and getting back to those things that drew us into the club in the first
place. Even Bud Cooper, our founder, has reduced his leadership participation and moved on
to expand his other interests.
With respect to the Discussion List, RJ found our third webmaster Toby Folwick, as his
replacement. Toby has been engaged in trying to expand our offerings such as on-line membership
and subscriptions. From the beginning this has been one of his charters as new webmaster,
so something had to give. The VAC board decided to find a third party to take over the VAC
list and its management. In came Tom Patterson to the rescue. Since Tom had been maintaining
an archive of past VAC List posts, he was the best candidate to become the new List Manager.
In order to provide a measure of distinction and due to fact the VAC no longer owned the
discussion list on our site, its name was changed to the VA List. At no time was there any
cost or requirements to become a list member or use the public part of the VAC website as
prelude to membership. VAC Officers and Volunteers still monitor and participate in the VA
list and all of them and Tom need to be commended for their service to both the club and
Airstream Community at large.
The issue of dues / VA subscription renewal has this history:
From its beginning, the VAC was engaged in yearly rendezvous of WBCCI members at the site of
the WBCCI International Rally where they parked together and shared in the "Vintage Experience".
Dues were collected at International between June 26 and July 4 and by our constitution and
by-laws were closed 30 days after the end of July or August 31. Unlike the main club where dues
were open July 1 and were payable till December 31 (or November 30 to ensure being listed in the
WBCCI Membership Directory).
As the Intra-club began to expand, folks in the club wanted to enjoy the vintage experience more
often and in 1996-7 the first of the Regional VAC Rallies took place and became an immediate
success. In part due to these factors and the growing web presence it became obvious that we
were no longer a one event organization. In 2004 the VAC Board voted to align the dues /
subscriptions structure with the WBCCI, making dues payable till December 31. All members and
subscribers that were current with their dues as of June 2004 were automatically extended through
December.
Prologue:
The charter of the VAC in addition to promoting good will among its members is the preservation
of Airstream Legacy Trailers and their History. Since the intra-club is also part of the WBCCI,
the Vintage Club by default is also about fellowship and travel adventure. The interpretation of
the focus of the club had been the subject of debate in the past by the membership since its
inception, and had been at the core of the argument over what makes a trailer vintage (25 Years old
or Pre 1969). The debate was settled by a narrow vote in 1993. Since that time the argument has
surfaced a number of times and has proven divisive due to its implications. The facts are there
are still those that wish the club to be more of a restoration network and less of a travel club.
In addition, the really old Vintage Airstreams are now in the hands of non participating members
of the VAC as well as collectors of antiquities. As the intraclub gets older and the value of the
really old trailers continues to rise it is of growing concern and contention that there will be
less and less of these trailers in our network. By default we are becoming more focused on
fellowship and travel adventure as we lose the association of the oldest trailers and their owners.
From my point of view we need to rekindle the focus on restoration and preservation and find ways
of enticing the owners of the really unique Airstreams into the club. This will be at the forefront
of my focus as President of the VAC later this year. I solicit your thoughts and support, for what
I feel is a worthwhile effort to regain the "Vintage" in the Vintage Club while continuing to
support our larger mission of Travel Fun and Adventure! All Are Welcome!
To our members, subscribers and all, I hope that this has been informative.
If you have any further questions or comments please email me wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net or post your
question to the list if you feel others may benefit.
See Ya Down the Road!
Wayne A. Moore (WAM)
1st Vice President 2004-2005
Vintage Airstream Club
VAC/WBCCI 15116
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:05 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Um er, I'm not sure this is quite right, but I'm gonna
check. I know we changed the VAC dues date this year....Look
for a bulletin from me or Scott.
Confused ? You bet!
Daisy
Roger Hightower wrote:
> The WBCCI membership year starts July 1st, so if the VAC has changed
> their year to match the WBCCI, our dues will also need to be paid at the
> same time.
>
> Roger
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "Wayne A. Moore"
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Hi Gang,
Looks like is we need to digress a bit into the differences between membership,
subscriptions, the renewal process and the club in general. For those that are
interested in the detail, I offer the following:
As has been reported by a number of listees, the Vintage Airstream Club is a
component of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International. This main organization
dates back to 1955 when Wally Byam was still alive and those that traveled with
him on Caravans throughout the northern hemisphere, wanted to create a nationwide
network of more local regional organizations for the purposes of fellowship and
travel adventure.
In 1993 a group of WBCCI members petitioned the WBCCI International Board of
Trustees for a charter to establish the Vintage Airstream Intra-club, known outside
the WBCCI as the Vintage Airstream Club. The requirements for intra-club membership
were: membership in the WBCCI and ownership of a trailer designated by the club as
an Airstream Trailer that is at least 25 years old. This includes all trailers
designed and manufactured by Wally Byam and all trailers manufactured by Airstream
Inc.
Beginning in 1994 the intra-club began accepting WBCCI members who's trailer met the
requirements (1969 and older). As time went on, Vintage Airstreams became more popular
both nationally and internationally. Demand for the trailers skyrocketed and prices
rose sharply beginning around 1997 through the present. The club began to see an
increase in interest as non members searched for any an all information relative to
ownership, repair and maintenance of these icons of American wanderlust.
As a service to our members and an enticement to non members to join, the 'Vintage Club"
began to expand and produce a series of articles in our newsletters on how to maintain
and upgrade these trailers. Interest in the newsletter, the "Vintage Advantage", began
to take on a life of its own and widespread issuance on a subscription basis began
around the time the present editor Bryan Burkhart took over from Tom Howarth in late 1999.
In early 2000 there were nearly as many "Vintage Advantage" subscribers as there were
members, this is where confusion started, regarding membership and subscriptions. We
referred to subscribers as "friends" of the VAC, implying a membership of sorts. In fact
the purpose of the subscription was intended to be a prelude to membership. Some of the
uninformed attempted to explain this as being members of the VAC but not members of the
WBCCI and it seemed to have perpetuated itself to this day. Even after an attempt by the
VAC Board to separate subscriptions from membership the confusion persists. To compound
matters, some subscribers believe that the subscription entitles them to unlimited
participation in rallies and caravans without becoming members of the WBCCI. In part the
Internet and the discussion list have helped to blurr the lines of distinction as folks
associated with the list and website, not the club, attempt to understand how all these
pieces fit together.
Let me be perfectly clear, everyone that owns a Vintage Airstream Trailer is entitled to
come to any WBCCI Event, anywhere, anytime.......once!
After you have had your initial introduction you will either be totally smitten or
completely turned off by the experience. We give you a chance to come check us out and we
are all betting you will keep coming coming back. Just give us the courtesy of notifying
the event host of your desire to participate and pay the camping and event fees and YOUR
IN for that event.
The VA list began as the VAC list, accessible from the original airstream.net website in
the mid nineties. The site and the list were owned and maintained by then webmaster, Ewan
McDonald. As the site and the list became more popular, The offerings on the site needed
to be expanded to continue to entice new members and provide the public with a resource
for Vintage Airstream media outside of rallies and caravans. The VAC board decided to
purchase the original site and content and add our own webmaster, R.J. Dial. The list and
site were managed by RJ with great success and we owe him a debt of gratitude for the
countless hours he spent in adding content and maintaining the site. As the story goes,
interests and involvement in clubs comes and goes. RJ needed to move on to what most of us
who have been involved in the intra club any length of time have done, and that is attending
to our trailers and getting back to those things that drew us into the club in the first
place. Even Bud Cooper, our founder, has reduced his leadership participation and moved on
to expand his other interests.
With respect to the Discussion List, RJ found our third webmaster Toby Folwick, as his
replacement. Toby has been engaged in trying to expand our offerings such as on-line membership
and subscriptions. From the beginning this has been one of his charters as new webmaster,
so something had to give. The VAC board decided to find a third party to take over the VAC
list and its management. In came Tom Patterson to the rescue. Since Tom had been maintaining
an archive of past VAC List posts, he was the best candidate to become the new List Manager.
In order to provide a measure of distinction and due to fact the VAC no longer owned the
discussion list on our site, its name was changed to the VA List. At no time was there any
cost or requirements to become a list member or use the public part of the VAC website as
prelude to membership. VAC Officers and Volunteers still monitor and participate in the VA
list and all of them and Tom need to be commended for their service to both the club and
Airstream Community at large.
The issue of dues / VA subscription renewal has this history:
From its beginning, the VAC was engaged in yearly rendezvous of WBCCI members at the site of
the WBCCI International Rally where they parked together and shared in the "Vintage Experience".
Dues were collected at International between June 26 and July 4 and by our constitution and
by-laws were closed 30 days after the end of July or August 31. Unlike the main club where dues
were open July 1 and were payable till December 31 (or November 30 to ensure being listed in the
WBCCI Membership Directory).
As the Intra-club began to expand, folks in the club wanted to enjoy the vintage experience more
often and in 1996-7 the first of the Regional VAC Rallies took place and became an immediate
success. In part due to these factors and the growing web presence it became obvious that we
were no longer a one event organization. In 2004 the VAC Board voted to align the dues /
subscriptions structure with the WBCCI, making dues payable till December 31. All members and
subscribers that were current with their dues as of June 2004 were automatically extended through
December.
Prologue:
The charter of the VAC in addition to promoting good will among its members is the preservation
of Airstream Legacy Trailers and their History. Since the intra-club is also part of the WBCCI,
the Vintage Club by default is also about fellowship and travel adventure. The interpretation of
the focus of the club had been the subject of debate in the past by the membership since its
inception, and had been at the core of the argument over what makes a trailer vintage (25 Years old
or Pre 1969). The debate was settled by a narrow vote in 1993. Since that time the argument has
surfaced a number of times and has proven divisive due to its implications. The facts are there
are still those that wish the club to be more of a restoration network and less of a travel club.
In addition, the really old Vintage Airstreams are now in the hands of non participating members
of the VAC as well as collectors of antiquities. As the intraclub gets older and the value of the
really old trailers continues to rise it is of growing concern and contention that there will be
less and less of these trailers in our network. By default we are becoming more focused on
fellowship and travel adventure as we lose the association of the oldest trailers and their owners.
From my point of view we need to rekindle the focus on restoration and preservation and find ways
of enticing the owners of the really unique Airstreams into the club. This will be at the forefront
of my focus as President of the VAC later this year. I solicit your thoughts and support, for what
I feel is a worthwhile effort to regain the "Vintage" in the Vintage Club while continuing to
support our larger mission of Travel Fun and Adventure! All Are Welcome!
To our members, subscribers and all, I hope that this has been informative.
If you have any further questions or comments please email me wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net or post your
question to the list if you feel others may benefit.
See Ya Down the Road!
Wayne A. Moore (WAM)
1st Vice President 2004-2005
Vintage Airstream Club
VAC/WBCCI 15116
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:05 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Um er, I'm not sure this is quite right, but I'm gonna
check. I know we changed the VAC dues date this year....Look
for a bulletin from me or Scott.
Confused ? You bet!
Daisy
Roger Hightower wrote:
> The WBCCI membership year starts July 1st, so if the VAC has changed
> their year to match the WBCCI, our dues will also need to be paid at the
> same time.
>
> Roger
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:55:59 -0800 (PST)
From: "Wayne A. Moore"
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Hi Gang,
Looks like is we need to digress a bit into the differences between membership,
subscriptions, the renewal process and the club in general. For those that are
interested in the detail, I offer the following:
As has been reported by a number of listees, the Vintage Airstream Club is a
component of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International. This main organization
dates back to 1955 when Wally Byam was still alive and those that traveled with
him on Caravans throughout the northern hemisphere, wanted to create a nationwide
network of more local regional organizations for the purposes of fellowship and
travel adventure.
In 1993 a group of WBCCI members petitioned the WBCCI International Board of
Trustees for a charter to establish the Vintage Airstream Intra-club, known outside
the WBCCI as the Vintage Airstream Club. The requirements for intra-club membership
were: membership in the WBCCI and ownership of a trailer designated by the club as
an Airstream Trailer that is at least 25 years old. This includes all trailers
designed and manufactured by Wally Byam and all trailers manufactured by Airstream
Inc.
Beginning in 1994 the intra-club began accepting WBCCI members who's trailer met the
requirements (1969 and older). As time went on, Vintage Airstreams became more popular
both nationally and internationally. Demand for the trailers skyrocketed and prices
rose sharply beginning around 1997 through the present. The club began to see an
increase in interest as non members searched for any an all information relative to
ownership, repair and maintenance of these icons of American wanderlust.
As a service to our members and an enticement to non members to join, the 'Vintage Club"
began to expand and produce a series of articles in our newsletters on how to maintain
and upgrade these trailers. Interest in the newsletter, the "Vintage Advantage", began
to take on a life of its own and widespread issuance on a subscription basis began
around the time the present editor Bryan Burkhart took over from Tom Howarth in late 1999.
In early 2000 there were nearly as many "Vintage Advantage" subscribers as there were
members, this is where confusion started, regarding membership and subscriptions. We
referred to subscribers as "friends" of the VAC, implying a membership of sorts. In fact
the purpose of the subscription was intended to be a prelude to membership. Some of the
uninformed attempted to explain this as being members of the VAC but not members of the
WBCCI and it seemed to have perpetuated itself to this day. Even after an attempt by the
VAC Board to separate subscriptions from membership the confusion persists. To compound
matters, some subscribers believe that the subscription entitles them to unlimited
participation in rallies and caravans without becoming members of the WBCCI. In part the
Internet and the discussion list have helped to blurr the lines of distinction as folks
associated with the list and website, not the club, attempt to understand how all these
pieces fit together.
Let me be perfectly clear, everyone that owns a Vintage Airstream Trailer is entitled to
come to any WBCCI Event, anywhere, anytime.......once!
After you have had your initial introduction you will either be totally smitten or
completely turned off by the experience. We give you a chance to come check us out and we
are all betting you will keep coming coming back. Just give us the courtesy of notifying
the event host of your desire to participate and pay the camping and event fees and YOUR
IN for that event.
The VA list began as the VAC list, accessible from the original airstream.net website in
the mid nineties. The site and the list were owned and maintained by then webmaster, Ewan
McDonald. As the site and the list became more popular, The offerings on the site needed
to be expanded to continue to entice new members and provide the public with a resource
for Vintage Airstream media outside of rallies and caravans. The VAC board decided to
purchase the original site and content and add our own webmaster, R.J. Dial. The list and
site were managed by RJ with great success and we owe him a debt of gratitude for the
countless hours he spent in adding content and maintaining the site. As the story goes,
interests and involvement in clubs comes and goes. RJ needed to move on to what most of us
who have been involved in the intra club any length of time have done, and that is attending
to our trailers and getting back to those things that drew us into the club in the first
place. Even Bud Cooper, our founder, has reduced his leadership participation and moved on
to expand his other interests.
With respect to the Discussion List, RJ found our third webmaster Toby Folwick, as his
replacement. Toby has been engaged in trying to expand our offerings such as on-line membership
and subscriptions. From the beginning this has been one of his charters as new webmaster,
so something had to give. The VAC board decided to find a third party to take over the VAC
list and its management. In came Tom Patterson to the rescue. Since Tom had been maintaining
an archive of past VAC List posts, he was the best candidate to become the new List Manager.
In order to provide a measure of distinction and due to fact the VAC no longer owned the
discussion list on our site, its name was changed to the VA List. At no time was there any
cost or requirements to become a list member or use the public part of the VAC website as
prelude to membership. VAC Officers and Volunteers still monitor and participate in the VA
list and all of them and Tom need to be commended for their service to both the club and
Airstream Community at large.
The issue of dues / VA subscription renewal has this history:
From its beginning, the VAC was engaged in yearly rendezvous of WBCCI members at the site of
the WBCCI International Rally where they parked together and shared in the "Vintage Experience".
Dues were collected at International between June 26 and July 4 and by our constitution and
by-laws were closed 30 days after the end of July or August 31. Unlike the main club where dues
were open July 1 and were payable till December 31 (or November 30 to ensure being listed in the
WBCCI Membership Directory).
As the Intra-club began to expand, folks in the club wanted to enjoy the vintage experience more
often and in 1996-7 the first of the Regional VAC Rallies took place and became an immediate
success. In part due to these factors and the growing web presence it became obvious that we
were no longer a one event organization. In 2004 the VAC Board voted to align the dues /
subscriptions structure with the WBCCI, making dues payable till December 31. All members and
subscribers that were current with their dues as of June 2004 were automatically extended through
December.
Prologue:
The charter of the VAC in addition to promoting good will among its members is the preservation
of Airstream Legacy Trailers and their History. Since the intra-club is also part of the WBCCI,
the Vintage Club by default is also about fellowship and travel adventure. The interpretation of
the focus of the club had been the subject of debate in the past by the membership since its
inception, and had been at the core of the argument over what makes a trailer vintage (25 Years old
or Pre 1969). The debate was settled by a narrow vote in 1993. Since that time the argument has
surfaced a number of times and has proven divisive due to its implications. The facts are there
are still those that wish the club to be more of a restoration network and less of a travel club.
In addition, the really old Vintage Airstreams are now in the hands of non participating members
of the VAC as well as collectors of antiquities. As the intraclub gets older and the value of the
really old trailers continues to rise it is of growing concern and contention that there will be
less and less of these trailers in our network. By default we are becoming more focused on
fellowship and travel adventure as we lose the association of the oldest trailers and their owners.
From my point of view we need to rekindle the focus on restoration and preservation and find ways
of enticing the owners of the really unique Airstreams into the club. This will be at the forefront
of my focus as President of the VAC later this year. I solicit your thoughts and support, for what
I feel is a worthwhile effort to regain the "Vintage" in the Vintage Club while continuing to
support our larger mission of Travel Fun and Adventure! All Are Welcome!
To our members, subscribers and all, I hope that this has been informative.
If you have any further questions or comments please email me wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net or post your
question to the list if you feel others may benefit.
See Ya Down the Road!
Wayne A. Moore (WAM)
1st Vice President 2004-2005
Vintage Airstream Club
VAC/WBCCI 15116
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:47:05 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Um er, I'm not sure this is quite right, but I'm gonna
check. I know we changed the VAC dues date this year....Look
for a bulletin from me or Scott.
Confused ? You bet!
Daisy
Roger Hightower wrote:
> The WBCCI membership year starts July 1st, so if the VAC has changed
> their year to match the WBCCI, our dues will also need to be paid at the
> same time.
>
> Roger
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:02:36 -0500
From: Gary
Subject: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
I have just insured my Safari in preparation for a long drive south to
the Florida State rally. The agent did not question my guess on
replacement or estimated market value, but asked that I obtain a written
appraisal in writing from someone in the know as soon as possible. We
briefly talked about who that someone could be. A dealer with vintage
experience would be a possibility. I do not know of any on the east
coast. Would anyone have suggestions about this subject? In between now
and the appraisal we agreed that my receipts, records of work and photos
would back up my guestimate. I won't mention the amount, just to say
that I am following R J Dial's most excellent breakdown of price vs
condition and values according to year and condition. The only thing I
do not know about Mr. Dial's observations are when they were last
updated, but somehow I do not think market values have swung too far
either way in the last few years.
I realize it is much more fun to discuss black water tanks then
insurance. Any suggestions about appraisals would be appreciated.
Gary Campbell
1962 Safari
Portland, ME
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:53:18 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues and History of the VAC
Well said Wayne. Thanks for the posting. Although I believe I had heard bits
and pieces of this narrative previously, its good to see it and see it all
in one place. Vintage is the reason I'm in the WBCCI. If I had more room,
I'd have more of 'em. So many vintage units, so little space.
Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT
on 2/11/05 2:55 PM, Wayne A. Moore at wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> Looks like is we need to digress a bit into the differences between
> membership, subscriptions, the renewal process and the club in general. For
> those that are interested in the detail, I offer the following:
>
> As has been reported by a number of listees, the Vintage Airstream Club is a
> component of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International. This main organization
> dates back to 1955 when Wally Byam was still alive and those that traveled
> with him on Caravans throughout the northern hemisphere, wanted to create a
> nationwide network of more local regional organizations for the purposes of
> fellowship and travel adventure.
>
> In 1993 a group of WBCCI members petitioned the WBCCI International Board of
> Trustees for a charter to establish the Vintage Airstream Intra-club, known
> outside the WBCCI as the Vintage Airstream Club. The requirements for
> intra-club membership were: membership in the WBCCI and ownership of a trailer
> designated by the club as an Airstream Trailer that is at least 25 years old.
> This includes all trailers designed and manufactured by Wally Byam and all
> trailers manufactured by Airstream Inc.
>
> Beginning in 1994 the intra-club began accepting WBCCI members who's trailer
> met the requirements (1969 and older). As time went on, Vintage Airstreams
> became more popular both nationally and internationally. Demand for the
> trailers skyrocketed and prices rose sharply beginning around 1997 through the
> present. The club began to see an increase in interest as non members searched
> for any an all information relative to ownership, repair and maintenance of
> these icons of American wanderlust.
>
> As a service to our members and an enticement to non members to join, the
> 'Vintage Club" began to expand and produce a series of articles in our
> newsletters on how to maintain and upgrade these trailers. Interest in the
> newsletter, the "Vintage Advantage", began to take on a life of its own and
> widespread issuance on a subscription basis began around the time the present
> editor Bryan Burkhart took over from Tom Howarth in late 1999.
>
> In early 2000 there were nearly as many "Vintage Advantage" subscribers as
> there were members, this is where confusion started, regarding membership and
> subscriptions. We referred to subscribers as "friends" of the VAC, implying a
> membership of sorts. In fact the purpose of the subscription was intended to
> be a prelude to membership. Some of the uninformed attempted to explain this
> as being members of the VAC but not members of the WBCCI and it seemed to have
> perpetuated itself to this day. Even after an attempt by the VAC Board to
> separate subscriptions from membership the confusion persists. To compound
> matters, some subscribers believe that the subscription entitles them to
> unlimited participation in rallies and caravans without becoming members of
> the WBCCI. In part the Internet and the discussion list have helped to blurr
> the lines of distinction as folks associated with the list and website, not
> the club, attempt to understand how all these pieces fit together.
>
> Let me be perfectly clear, everyone that owns a Vintage Airstream Trailer is
> entitled to come to any WBCCI Event, anywhere, anytime.......once!
>
> After you have had your initial introduction you will either be totally
> smitten or completely turned off by the experience. We give you a chance to
> come check us out and we are all betting you will keep coming coming back.
> Just give us the courtesy of notifying the event host of your desire to
> participate and pay the camping and event fees and YOUR IN for that event.
>
> The VA list began as the VAC list, accessible from the original airstream.net
> website in the mid nineties. The site and the list were owned and maintained
> by then webmaster, Ewan McDonald. As the site and the list became more
> popular, The offerings on the site needed to be expanded to continue to entice
> new members and provide the public with a resource for Vintage Airstream media
> outside of rallies and caravans. The VAC board decided to purchase the
> original site and content and add our own webmaster, R.J. Dial. The list and
> site were managed by RJ with great success and we owe him a debt of gratitude
> for the countless hours he spent in adding content and maintaining the site.
> As the story goes, interests and involvement in clubs comes and goes. RJ
> needed to move on to what most of us who have been involved in the intra club
> any length of time have done, and that is attending to our trailers and
> getting back to those things that drew us into the club in the first place.
> Eve!
> n Bud
> Cooper, our founder, has reduced his leadership participation and moved on to
> expand his other interests.
>
> With respect to the Discussion List, RJ found our third webmaster Toby
> Folwick, as his replacement. Toby has been engaged in trying to expand our
> offerings such as on-line membership and subscriptions. From the beginning
> this has been one of his charters as new webmaster, so something had to give.
> The VAC board decided to find a third party to take over the VAC list and its
> management. In came Tom Patterson to the rescue. Since Tom had been
> maintaining an archive of past VAC List posts, he was the best candidate to
> become the new List Manager.
>
> In order to provide a measure of distinction and due to fact the VAC no longer
> owned the discussion list on our site, its name was changed to the VA List. At
> no time was there any cost or requirements to become a list member or use the
> public part of the VAC website as prelude to membership. VAC Officers and
> Volunteers still monitor and participate in the VA list and all of them and
> Tom need to be commended for their service to both the club and Airstream
> Community at large.
>
> The issue of dues / VA subscription renewal has this history:
>
> From its beginning, the VAC was engaged in yearly rendezvous of WBCCI members
> at the site of the WBCCI International Rally where they parked together and
> shared in the "Vintage Experience". Dues were collected at International
> between June 26 and July 4 and by our constitution and by-laws were closed 30
> days after the end of July or August 31. Unlike the main club where dues were
> open July 1 and were payable till December 31 (or November 30 to ensure being
> listed in the WBCCI Membership Directory).
>
> As the Intra-club began to expand, folks in the club wanted to enjoy the
> vintage experience more often and in 1996-7 the first of the Regional VAC
> Rallies took place and became an immediate success. In part due to these
> factors and the growing web presence it became obvious that we were no longer
> a one event organization. In 2004 the VAC Board voted to align the dues /
> subscriptions structure with the WBCCI, making dues payable till December 31.
> All members and subscribers that were current with their dues as of June 2004
> were automatically extended through December.
>
> Prologue:
>
> The charter of the VAC in addition to promoting good will among its members is
> the preservation of Airstream Legacy Trailers and their History. Since the
> intra-club is also part of the WBCCI, the Vintage Club by default is also
> about fellowship and travel adventure. The interpretation of the focus of the
> club had been the subject of debate in the past by the membership since its
> inception, and had been at the core of the argument over what makes a trailer
> vintage (25 Years old or Pre 1969). The debate was settled by a narrow vote in
> 1993. Since that time the argument has surfaced a number of times and has
> proven divisive due to its implications. The facts are there are still those
> that wish the club to be more of a restoration network and less of a travel
> club. In addition, the really old Vintage Airstreams are now in the hands of
> non participating members of the VAC as well as collectors of antiquities. As
> the intraclub gets older and the value of the really old trailers co!
> ntinues
> to rise it is of growing concern and contention that there will be less and
> less of these trailers in our network. By default we are becoming more focused
> on fellowship and travel adventure as we lose the association of the oldest
> trailers and their owners. From my point of view we need to rekindle the focus
> on restoration and preservation and find ways of enticing the owners of the
> really unique Airstreams into the club. This will be at the forefront of my
> focus as President of the VAC later this year. I solicit your thoughts and
> support, for what I feel is a worthwhile effort to regain the "Vintage" in the
> Vintage Club while continuing to support our larger mission of Travel Fun and
> Adventure! All Are Welcome!
>
> To our members, subscribers and all, I hope that this has been informative.
>
> If you have any further questions or comments please email me
> wam52@xxxxxxxxxx.net or post your question to the list if you feel others may
> benefit.
>
> See Ya Down the Road!
>
> Wayne A. Moore (WAM)
> 1st Vice President 2004-2005
> Vintage Airstream Club
> VAC/WBCCI 15116
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:04:19 -0700
From: "gshippen"
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Daisy, I think the application did not attach, at any rate I did not
receive it. GAS
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daisy Welch"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
> Hi GAS,
>
> You do owe for your subscription. Find attached renewel
> form. I'm pretty sure that we are switching to a Jan to Jan,
> so if you pay now, you will be OK until the end of 2005. but
> then again....
>
> Daisy ( DPW )
>
> gshippen wrote:
>
> > Hi Daisy,
> > Have been meaning to send in my dues, how much do I owe for 2005?
> > Gerald Shippen (aka: GAS)
> >
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>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a
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>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:12:43 -0500
From: "Peter Ryner"
Subject: RE: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
Gary,
Try stopping by Bates RV in Tampa. They are on I-4 just off of I-75. I was
there today and they had about 9 vintage airstreams in various states of
condition. None were restored, but their prices were pretty high. They are
an authorized airstream dealer so they should be able to give a decent
apprasial. I looked at a '68 30' in poor condition. Didn't look like
anything worked but it was generally intact. Their best price without real
haggling was $5900. I didn't get the impression that they would move off
the price much. A restored trailer should reflect a good and fair market
value. NFI and don't know if they would even estimate a trailer for you but
a call would certainly be worth the time.
Pete
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:03 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
I have just insured my Safari in preparation for a long drive south to
the Florida State rally. The agent did not question my guess on
replacement or estimated market value, but asked that I obtain a written
appraisal in writing from someone in the know as soon as possible. We
briefly talked about who that someone could be. A dealer with vintage
experience would be a possibility. I do not know of any on the east
coast. Would anyone have suggestions about this subject? In between now
and the appraisal we agreed that my receipts, records of work and photos
would back up my guestimate. I won't mention the amount, just to say
that I am following R J Dial's most excellent breakdown of price vs
condition and values according to year and condition. The only thing I
do not know about Mr. Dial's observations are when they were last
updated, but somehow I do not think market values have swung too far
either way in the last few years.
I realize it is much more fun to discuss black water tanks then
insurance. Any suggestions about appraisals would be appreciated.
Gary Campbell
1962 Safari
Portland, ME
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:24:05 -0500
From: "eemerick"
Subject: RE: [VAL] Corning Windows
Hello,
I have them and this is really cool! Can't wait to get some new glass in
the 68!
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Rob Davis
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:28 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Corning Windows
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 9:10 pm, Forrest McClure wrote:
> I am happy and excited to announce that Steve Hingtgen, owner of
> Airstream Dreams, is now offering replacement glass for Corning
> windows.
Woohoo...glad to hear it!
Kinda makes me wish I had corning windows in our '64 GlobeTrotter. ;-)
Rob Davis
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:18:30 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
I too would like to find some way to get a realistic value established on my
65 Iradewind at the I have it insured for $7500.00 that wiuld be only a very
small portion of what i have in it. Plus I have done all the work on it.I have
not kept reciepts on the expences that I have spent on it (If I had any ida
how much I have spent I would probably blow my breans out) When I talk to the
Insurance co I am reminded that it is an old trailer with no blue book value.My
answere is a 1930 Ford modleA rodster cost less than $600.00 but now has a
market value of $30K and can be insured and financed for a similar value.
These trailers are now becoming reconised as Classics by their owners.What
does it take to get the Insurance industry to reconise the differance between a
junky old trailer and a restored classic.
As an example the 54 Liner that is being given away by the time the present
owner has it fully restored will probaly repersent an Investment of between
$10and $20 k. but it is still a 54 trailer.
An answere please...............
Jim Smith
1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:07:51 EST
From: Streamliner86@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] VAC Dues
VAC dues?? how much and address please...
Regards,
Phil
1957 Streamline Empress
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:01:45 -0800
From: William Kerfoot
Subject: Re: [VAL] VAC Dues
Phil,
Here is an application: http://www.airstream.net/VACMembershipNewApp.pdf
If that does not work go here, scroll down and go to the application:
http://www.airstream.net/membership.html
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Streamliner86@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>VAC dues?? how much and address please...
>
>Regards,
>Phil
>1957 Streamline Empress
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:01:28 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Sigh, trying again....
I think my brain may have aluminum poisoning, clearly I need
another trailer !
Daisy
gshippen wrote:
> Daisy, I think the application did not attach, at any rate I did not
> receive it. GAS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daisy Welch"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
>
>
>
>>Hi GAS,
>>
>>You do owe for your subscription. Find attached renewel
>>form. I'm pretty sure that we are switching to a Jan to Jan,
>>so if you pay now, you will be OK until the end of 2005. but
>>then again....
>>
>>Daisy ( DPW )
>>
>>gshippen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Daisy,
>>>Have been meaning to send in my dues, how much do I owe for 2005?
>>>Gerald Shippen (aka: GAS)
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:05:29 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] VAC Dues
http://www.airstream.net/membership.html
Daisy
Streamliner86@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> VAC dues?? how much and address please...
>
> Regards,
> Phil
> 1957 Streamline Empress
>
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Dear Mr. Anguish,
I don't find you on my list of subscribers, perhaps you were a full
member. I have forwarded this to our membership director.
The VAC is part of the WBCCI, that's why you have to be a member of the
big one to belong to the little one. To be honest, for many of us, the
biggest benefit of belonging to the WBCCI is that when we hold our
vintage rallies their insurance covers us. Getting this insurance just
for a club our size would be prohibitive. So if you are interested in
coming to a rally with the club ( which are great fun and very informal
and informative ) then you would need to join the whole thing.
Maybe you would like to drop in on one to see what it's all about.
If you just want the magazine, the subscription price is $20, which will
keep you joined up until 07/31/05. I should add that the production of
this magazine is done mostly by volunteers and issues appear only
sporadically.
I have attached a form for just the magazine that you can print out and
fill in and mail to me with your check. If you can't access the form,
let me know and I will do something different.
We took the form off the back of the magazine because we found that
folks who resubscribed after a period of time, sent the form to the
retired subscription manager with an outdated amount.
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Daisy Welch
6517
- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Dues
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 16:01:01 -0400
From: Bob Anguish
To:
I am not sure what the renewal membership fee is. I guess I missed the
details in the last VAC Newsletter so I need help. Thanks.
Bob Anguish #8220
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:06:31 -0600
From: "J. Anderson"
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Doesn't the list strip attachments from posts? I think it should be
sent directly off-list; might be worth a try.
Regards, John
Daisy Welch wrote:
>Sigh, trying again....
>
>I think my brain may have aluminum poisoning, clearly I need
>another trailer !
>
>Daisy
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:08:57 -0800
From: William Kerfoot
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Daisy, Daisy, Daisy,
You cannot send an attachment to the list. Send your email directly to gas.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Daisy Welch wrote:
>Sigh, trying again....
>
>I think my brain may have aluminum poisoning, clearly I need
>another trailer !
>
>Daisy
>
>gshippen wrote:
>
>
>
>>Daisy, I think the application did not attach, at any rate I did not
>>receive it. GAS
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Daisy Welch"
>>To:
>>Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:26 AM
>>Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi GAS,
>>>
>>>You do owe for your subscription. Find attached renewel
>>>form. I'm pretty sure that we are switching to a Jan to Jan,
>>>so if you pay now, you will be OK until the end of 2005. but
>>>then again....
>>>
>>>Daisy ( DPW )
>>>
>>>gshippen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Daisy,
>>>>Have been meaning to send in my dues, how much do I owe for 2005?
>>>>Gerald Shippen (aka: GAS)
>>>>
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>>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:40:57 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
An answer ? You want an answer ?
What is this? Are you thinking of wrecking the Albatross for
the insurance money ? You'll never get away with it.
You can insure anything for anything you want, like
starlet's legs and Liberace"s fingers, but the premiums will
kill you. For example, your household contents insurance is
not going to cover the Picasso, it will just get you another
painting for over the sofa.
Now in my case, since I live in it, I should have a lot of
insurance, I would be out on the street. No wait, I can go
get the 54 liner and get going on that...hummmm
But, for most folks, our trailers are expensive toys, and
even if we spend too much money on them, I wonder if it is
realistic to expect it to be an investment. No matter how
fancy I make this trailer, there are still lots of other
1973 trailers out there that can be had for more or less
what I paid for it. Maybe we should think of the value in
terms of the fun we had fixing it up, rather than admitting
that it is sort of a financial black hole. Shhhhh.
I'm calling Foremost in the morning.
daisy
JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> I too would like to find some way to get a realistic value established on my
> 65 Iradewind at the I have it insured for $7500.00 that wiuld be only a very
> small portion of what i have in it. Plus I have done all the work on it.I have
> not kept reciepts on the expences that I have spent on it (If I had any ida
> how much I have spent I would probably blow my breans out) When I talk to the
> Insurance co I am reminded that it is an old trailer with no blue book value.My
> answere is a 1930 Ford modleA rodster cost less than $600.00 but now has a
> market value of $30K and can be insured and financed for a similar value.
> These trailers are now becoming reconised as Classics by their owners.What
> does it take to get the Insurance industry to reconise the differance between a
> junky old trailer and a restored classic.
> As an example the 54 Liner that is being given away by the time the present
> owner has it fully restored will probaly repersent an Investment of between
> $10and $20 k. but it is still a 54 trailer.
> An answere please...............
> Jim Smith
> 1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
> 1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:52:48 -0500
From: Daisy Welch
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: VAL membership dues
Duh
J. Anderson wrote:
> Doesn't the list strip attachments from posts? I think it should be
> sent directly off-list; might be worth a try.
>
> Regards, John
>
> Daisy Welch wrote:
>
>> Sigh, trying again....
>>
>> I think my brain may have aluminum poisoning, clearly I need another
>> trailer !
>>
>> Daisy
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:11:53 -0800
From: Glyn Judson
Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
Don,
Thanks for faxing me a copy of the carrier the other day. Sorry not to
have responded sooner.
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: "Don Hardman"
> Organization: Script Care, Ltd.
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 09:19:06 -0600
> To:
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
>
> Bobby, I finally made the copy of the page from my service manual. If you
> still want a copy sand me your fax # or address.
>
> Don Hardman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bobby Gill"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
>
>
>> Don
>> Could you scan it and e-mail it?
>> If so I'd like to see it, my '73 has a place for the tire under the front
> but
>> the bars are not there. If you can't scan it send me your PH# and I'll
> call
>> you and let you know my answering machine is off before you FAX it.
>> Thanks
>> Bobby G
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Don Hardman
>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] Under body spare tire carrier
>>
>>
>> My 76 A/S has the factory installed spare tire carrier under the front
>> trailer body. My service manual has a page with detailed drawing if that
>> would be of help. Send me an address or fax number and I will copy and
> send
>> it to you if you like.
>>
>> Don Hardman
>> donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>>
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:34:11 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
Foremost wouldn't insure my trailer in Florida ...perhaps if you claim
another state as your main residence they would pick it up.
Jim
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daisy Welch"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Insurance Appraisals for Vintage?
> An answer ? You want an answer ?
>
> What is this? Are you thinking of wrecking the Albatross for the insurance
> money ? You'll never get away with it.
>
> You can insure anything for anything you want, like starlet's legs and
> Liberace"s fingers, but the premiums will kill you. For example, your
> household contents insurance is not going to cover the Picasso, it will
> just get you another painting for over the sofa.
>
> Now in my case, since I live in it, I should have a lot of insurance, I
> would be out on the street. No wait, I can go get the 54 liner and get
> going on that...hummmm
>
> But, for most folks, our trailers are expensive toys, and even if we spend
> too much money on them, I wonder if it is realistic to expect it to be an
> investment. No matter how fancy I make this trailer, there are still lots
> of other 1973 trailers out there that can be had for more or less what I
> paid for it. Maybe we should think of the value in terms of the fun we had
> fixing it up, rather than admitting that it is sort of a financial black
> hole. Shhhhh.
>
> I'm calling Foremost in the morning.
>
> daisy
>
> JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>
>> I too would like to find some way to get a realistic value established on
>> my 65 Iradewind at the I have it insured for $7500.00 that wiuld be only
>> a very small portion of what i have in it. Plus I have done all the work
>> on it.I have not kept reciepts on the expences that I have spent on it
>> (If I had any ida how much I have spent I would probably blow my breans
>> out) When I talk to the Insurance co I am reminded that it is an old
>> trailer with no blue book value.My answere is a 1930 Ford modleA rodster
>> cost less than $600.00 but now has a market value of $30K and can be
>> insured and financed for a similar value.
>> These trailers are now becoming reconised as Classics by their
>> owners.What does it take to get the Insurance industry to reconise the
>> differance between a junky old trailer and a restored classic.
>> As an example the 54 Liner that is being given away by the time the
>> present owner has it fully restored will probaly repersent an Investment
>> of between $10and $20 k. but it is still a 54 trailer.
>> An answere please...............
>> Jim Smith
>> 1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
>> 1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
>>
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