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VAL Digest Monday, February 7 2005 Volume 02 : Number 151
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Off topic -- like adventure?
Re: [VAL] Grants Pass OR Ralley
Re: [VAL] Off topic -- like adventure?
Re: [VAL] Repairing tail sag
Re: [VAL] Grants Pass OR Ralley
[VAL] Unit Broken Into
Re: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
Re: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
RE: [VAL] Corning Windows
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 02:26:15 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Off topic -- like adventure?
http://www.teamellen.com/ellen.asp?artid=100#
If you really love to read about a great adventure *as it's happening!* then
please take a moment to see what Ellen is up to. You can drop her a line of
encouragement if you choose to do so, she is one fantastic lady and a role
model for all.
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:13:50 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Grants Pass OR Ralley
I'll weigh in as the Subscription Director.
The VAC is part of the WBCCI, that's why you have to be a
member of the big one to belong to the little one. To be
honest, for many of us, the biggest benefit of belonging to
the WBCCI is that when we hold our vintage rallies their
insurance covers us. Getting this insurance just for a club
our size would be prohibitive. So if you are interested in
coming to a rally with the club ( which are great fun and
very informal and informative ) then you would need to join
the whole thing. The exception to this is a "buddy rally",
which is designed to give you a taste of what fun a vintage
rally ( or other kind ) is without having to join the whole
thing.
As a subscriber, you just get the newsletter, not membership
priviledges.
Daisy
Rob Davis wrote:
> On Saturday 05 February 2005 9:11 pm, Joann Wheatley wrote:
>
>>"Bill:
>>I pay VAC dues but not WBCCI - can I attend do you think?
>>Jo Ann"
>
>
> Jo Ann, I'm interested to hear Bill's response to your question and hopefully
> from Scott Scheuermann (VAC Membership Chairman) also. I'm puzzled how you
> pay VAC dues but not WBCCI. I'm the Denver Unit membership person and it
> would be helpful to have Scott's clarification as I talk to those vintage
> owners who are interested in the VAC.
>
> One does NOT need to be a member to subscribe to the Vintage Advantage ($20)
> or subscribe to the VAlist. My understanding is that you cannot be a member
> of the VAC (Intra-Club) unless you also are a member of the parent group
> (WBCCI). At least that's what it states on the VAC website and membership
> application. It would be interesting to know if there is a 'grand-father'
> clause for those who were VAC members prior to it becoming an intra-club of
> the WBCCI.
>
> Rob Davis
> '64 GlobeTrotter, #1824
> Denver, CO
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 07:48:51 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Off topic -- like adventure?
Exactly right this is off topic. Marking a message as off topic is NOT an
way to post it to this list. If it is off topic, then it does not and never
did belong on the list.
If you don't any anyone else to send mail to, then go and find someone, but
don't post any more of these off topic messages to this list!
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: "VAL" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 12:26 AM
Subject: [VAL] Off topic -- like adventure?
> http://www.teamellen.com/ellen.asp?artid=100#
>
>
> If you really love to read about a great adventure *as it's happening!*
> then
> please take a moment to see what Ellen is up to. You can drop her a line
> of
> encouragement if you choose to do so, she is one fantastic lady and a role
> model for all.
>
> Tom Meeker
> WBCCI 5303
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:07:11 -0700
From: Charlie/Betty Burke <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Repairing tail sag
Tom,
Yes, elephant ears are the mark of the fix for another, older unrelated
frame droop problem. From the late 60's into the early 70's Airstream
had a problem with the floor rail to frame anchor in the rear of
coaches. The washer they used to spread out the load was to small. It
would deteriorate and then collapse allowing the body to lift up from
the frame. This problem was not restricted to longer coaches and
effected both the older and the newer body style. (pre and post 1969).
Elephant ears do not appear on all coaches with the problem. Those
coaches with rear compartment doors can be repaired from the inside of
the compartment.
The frame droop problem fixed by the frame plates was a true bending of
the frame due to overloading from the added water storage capacity
brought on with the addition of gray water tanks. This problem most
commonly occurred in longer coaches and was indicated by a ripple or
wave radiating out at a 45 degree angle from the upper corners of the
wheel wells.
Charlie
Tom wrote:
> Charlie,
>
> What about the "elephant ear" patches on the rear of older Airstreams?
> Didn't they repair a sagging problem by accessing the frames that way
> also?
>
> Tom Meeker
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie/Betty Burke"
> <cbburke@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Repairing tail sag
>
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> I don't recall ever seeing or measuring the length of the plate. It was
>> sized to fit on the exposed frame in a tandem axle wheel well. It is
>> predrilled in a 16 hole staggered pattern. The directions called for it
>> to be bolted on. I want to say 3/8" Grade 8 bolts/nuts with star washers
>> on the inside. It is necessary to open up the belly pan inboard of the
>> frame rail to do the installation. I have heard of some being welded but
>> I preferred to follow the directions on the ones I did. As important as
>> the plate is the pre installation. It is necessary to "hang" the coach
>> to allow it to settle back into shape. Do this by lifting each end and
>> suspending it for 24 hours or so. We used jack stands and a 4x4 at
>> each end.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> Jerry Jarrell wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>> I want to repair a sag in the rear of my overlander. A question for
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Charilie Burke and any others that might remember: What is the
>>> size/length
>>> of the angle iron that Airstream gave in the kit to prevent this
>>> kind of
>>> sagging in the older airstreams. Were they bolted on or spot welded. It
>>> seems that hot fire that close to the decking would be dangerous and
>>> bolting
>>> it on would be the best bet. Also, how close were the bolts holes
>>> bored to
>>> each
>>> other and were they staggered? When it warms up I want to get this
>>> done.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jerry
>>> 57 Overlander
>>> WBCCI VAC
>>>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:34:24 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Grants Pass OR Ralley
Hi All:
On Feb 2005, at 4:13 AM, Daisy Welch wrote:
> the biggest benefit of belonging to the WBCCI is that when we hold
> our vintage rallies their insurance covers us.
For what? Wouldn't an individual's insurance do the same thing?
Liability especially if one had an umbrella policy? This whole
insurance business and litigation fear is paralyzing our society. I
teach women to shoot handguns for self-defense and so far, going
"naked" - no insurance, but cover all the bases ...has worked well. I
think more M.D.'s could do the same. If an individual shows best
diligence or due diligence, they'd be ok. I just got done attending an
8-day malpractice trial of a local M.D. - the jury took one hour to
return a not guilty verdict. Hopefully the pendulum is swinging back
toward individual responsibility. I know this will probably spark a
firestorm of horror stories but if they're not first hand experience or
documented, don't. I think maybe that's at the core of my stubbornness
about joining WBCCI.
,,,,then you would need to join the whole thing. The exception to this
is a "buddy rally", which is designed to give you a taste of what fun a
vintage rally ( or other kind ) is without having to join the whole
thing.
>
> As a subscriber, you just get the newsletter, not membership
> privileges.
Thanks for clearing this up, Daisy.
> Daisy
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:04:25 EST
From: Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
VAC Members,
Our 1969 International, Overlander was broken into and vandalized Friday
night. They managed to get into the unit by prying open the area at the lock.
This will require either a complete new door skin or a temporary repair with a
band riveted to the door from side to side.
Our most urgent need is for the window swing out on the curb side. They
separated the window swing out from the frame. They were unable to bust out
the Plexiglas. After they pried the window open they reached through and opened
the door from the inside, yes, the door lock didn't open for them for all
their prying! I may be able to affect a repair of the window frame (swing out
portion), I am just not sure at this time. I will be pulling the unit to my
home. Where I hope to determine exactly what I can do to either repair or will
need to replace the window frame.
If measurements are needed, I should have them later this week. The
unit is covered with a tarp, sorry no choice. Started raining last night. I
also have digital photos to better identify what is needed.
hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Please answer off line if you know where I may find a replacement
window. We are planning on attending the International in Springfield.
Unit details: 27'
1969 International Overlander
Curb side window to the right of the door knob.
Thanks,
Martin and Rachel Hughey
WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
1969 Overlander International and 1961 Bambi
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 17:52:33 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
Sorry to hear about that. My 76 was broken into at what I though was a very
secure storage area. Other than the damage and the mess, what did they take.
When mine was broken into all they took was the radio. I have since moved my
A/S to a garage type storage.
You might try Oasis RV in Tucson, they do a lot of work on Vintage trailers.
Good Luck.
Don
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:04 PM
Subject: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
> VAC Members,
>
> Our 1969 International, Overlander was broken into and vandalized
Friday
> night. They managed to get into the unit by prying open the area at the
lock.
> This will require either a complete new door skin or a temporary repair
with a
> band riveted to the door from side to side.
> Our most urgent need is for the window swing out on the curb side.
They
> separated the window swing out from the frame. They were unable to bust
out
> the Plexiglas. After they pried the window open they reached through and
opened
> the door from the inside, yes, the door lock didn't open for them for all
> their prying! I may be able to affect a repair of the window frame
(swing out
> portion), I am just not sure at this time. I will be pulling the unit to
my
> home. Where I hope to determine exactly what I can do to either repair or
will
> need to replace the window frame.
>
> If measurements are needed, I should have them later this week.
The
> unit is covered with a tarp, sorry no choice. Started raining last night.
I
> also have digital photos to better identify what is needed.
>
> hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Please answer off line if you know where I may find a replacement
> window. We are planning on attending the International in Springfield.
>
> Unit details: 27'
> 1969 International Overlander
> Curb side window to the right of the door knob.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin and Rachel Hughey
> WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
> 1969 Overlander International and 1961 Bambi
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 18:53:24 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
Where do you live in the USA?
Please send pictures off-list to me at thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: [VAL] Unit Broken Into
> VAC Members,
>
> Our 1969 International, Overlander was broken into and vandalized
> Friday
> night. They managed to get into the unit by prying open the area at the
> lock.
> This will require either a complete new door skin or a temporary repair
> with a
> band riveted to the door from side to side.
> Our most urgent need is for the window swing out on the curb side.
> They
> separated the window swing out from the frame. They were unable to bust
> out
> the Plexiglas. After they pried the window open they reached through and
> opened
> the door from the inside, yes, the door lock didn't open for them for all
> their prying! I may be able to affect a repair of the window frame
> (swing out
> portion), I am just not sure at this time. I will be pulling the unit to
> my
> home. Where I hope to determine exactly what I can do to either repair or
> will
> need to replace the window frame.
>
> If measurements are needed, I should have them later this week.
> The
> unit is covered with a tarp, sorry no choice. Started raining last night.
> I
> also have digital photos to better identify what is needed.
>
> hugheym@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Please answer off line if you know where I may find a replacement
> window. We are planning on attending the International in Springfield.
>
> Unit details: 27'
> 1969 International Overlander
> Curb side window to the right of the door knob.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin and Rachel Hughey
> WBCCI 10212, Vintage A/S
> 1969 Overlander International and 1961 Bambi
>
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:37:56 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Corning Windows
Hello,
We had the window in the bedroom blow out in SD a couple of years back
in the 68. It went everywhere!
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Forrest McClure
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:43 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Corning Windows
Can anyone tell me if they have ever had one of their '66 through '68
Corning windows shatter? If so, did it break into small pebble size
pieces or into long sharp shards of glass?
Forrest
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