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VAL Digest Sunday, January 23 2005 Volume 02 : Number 136
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Topics in Today's Digest:
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi for sale.
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
[VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
[VAL] furnance noise
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[VAL] resize pics
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[VAL] One complaint abaout Picasa
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Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:14:07 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Jim,
Let me personally say a big Thank You! to you for your service to our
country. I salute you and all Veterans who've fought and died for the
freedoms we enjoy today. I'd be honored to park with you any time or any
place under the shadows of our sacred flags. The MIA-POW flags should be
proudly displayed without exception and they should be openly welcomed as a
salute to those Veterans who did not come home and are still out there ...
somewhere ... waiting to be reunited with their loved ones and their country
men and women.
Maybe sometime I'll get to sit and talk with you so that I can learn from
you about our country's past history and sacrifices made by our service men
and women. I'd really enjoy that.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: <JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> At any event I attend weather permitting including WBCCI events I will Fly
> the American and the MIA-POW flag.I am ashamed that any ones ego about the
> bylaws would complain about anyone who wishes to honor the MIA and POWs.I
> am deeply
> proud to be a WW2 and Korean veteran. If posable I will be at the Sarasota
> rally and the flags will be flown. I relay think that some of you people
> who
> write the by laws have too much time on your hands and perhaps should
> pursue a
> meaningful hobby
> Jm Smith
> 1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
> 192 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:40:03 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
"Correct angle" between the poles? You've got to be kidding! You are,
aren't you?
I think I'll come up with a flag pole like I've seen at lighthouses which
the Coast Guard also uses -- you know the type with the American flag at the
top above the ' t ' and then from the bottom of the cross of the ' t '
intersection I can have 2 cables on the starboard and port side of the
flagpole. To these other cables I'll attach what I feel in the mood for at
the time -- if it gets rough and rowdy I'll hoist up a Hurricane Warning
flag in all it's red and black glory. On the other side maybe I'll hoist up
a pirate flag! Or, maybe my State flag, etc. Then again, maybe a Jimmy
Buffet parrot flag might be called for if it's close to any water. ;))
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> AMEN!! A couple of years ago while showing my illuminated flag pole
> design
> to a new acquaintance I was asked about the angle between the poles. As I
> explained that my design was driven by my desire to NOT have my 3'X 5'
> flags
> whip against the adjacent flag pole when the winds were crossways to the
> poles, I was informed that WBCCI had rules specifying a specific angle
> between each pole. I guess my expression told him that he had just
> stepped
> into deep poo-poo as he then stated, "you know it really doesn't matter
> does
> it does it". The person was none other than the International President
> of
> the WBCCI at the time. The WBCCI takes itself WAY to seriously and all
> the
> rules and people who hide behind them are the reasons that have already
> alienated so many younger, newer owners of A/S, including us.
>
> David & Bret
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:53 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2005 5:49:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
>
>
>> According to the WBCCI By laws you cannot fly any flag you want at an
>> official WBCCI event. The following paragraph sets the standard. Their
>> was a flap a few years back at Intl. Mtg when MIA flag (or flags) and
>> some other flags where displayed after attendees were reminded about
>> the by-laws rules.
>>
>> "2. Only official National, State, Provincial flags and the official
>> flags of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc. and
>> International Board of Trustees approved Unit and Intra-Club flags and
>> pennants shall be flown or displayed at official events and functions of
>> the International Club. (1/17/97)"
>
> I truly believe that hard ass rules like this will be the demise of the
> WBCCI.
>
> Hunter
>
> http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
>
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved
> body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
> shit...what a ride!"
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:50:02 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
The "flap" over the flags back then must have been the very reason POW-MIA
flags were put up after the attendees were "reminded about the by-laws
rules."
Proud to say that I'd also have been *encouraged* to show my MIA-POW flag if
I'd had one. And I would have certainly stood my ground if anyone had told
me I couldn't fly the MIA-POW flag as others would have attested to when
they heard the ongoing argument several rows over. ;)
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Roy Lashway" <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
.... Their
> was a flap a few years back at Intl. Mtg when MIA flag (or flags) and
> some other flags where displayed after attendees were reminded about
> the by-laws rules.
>
> Roy Lashway
> '78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
> WBCCI 1610 VAC
> rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> web site: www.zianet.com/rlashwa
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:08:34 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Yahoo! OK Forrest, when they come for me with the handcuffs,
you're getting my one phone call. Thanks for REALLY reading
the by laws.
Can anyone find the place in the by laws where it covers the
actual angle of the flag pole ?
Daisy
Forrest McClure wrote:
> Interpreting Bylaws in a restrictive manner or in a manner that is negative
> and reactionary is what gets us into trouble, and it is positively what
> drives people away from the WBCCI. Instead, the "rules" should, and will, be
> interpreted in the light most beneficial to the membership, and in a way
> that is not at odds with the objective of the Club. Read Article III of the
> Club Constitution, where it begins with, "The objective of the International
> Club shall be to furnish encouragement and assistance in the development of
> Regions, Units and Intra-clubs; to afford opportunities for outdoor
> fraternization of recreational vehicle owners."
>
> None of the By-Laws should ever be interpreted in a manner that contravenes
> the stated objective of the Constitution. This isn't me saying this, it is
> what Article XV of the Club Constitution says: "Bylaws and Policies not
> inconsistent with this Constitution... may be adopted." In that light the
> official policy, as stated in the Blue Book, specifies that Unit Rallies
> should be "planned and conducted by a Unit for the benefit and enjoyment of
> Unit members."
>
> Therefor, it is reasonable and appropriate to interpret the By Laws
> liberally, so that "Official" relates to an office or official duties, and
> "Function" relates to an official ceremony or a formal social occasion (see
> the dictionary for definitions) So, the By Law that states only approved
> flags "shall be flown or displayed at official events and functions" only
> applies to situations such as Opening Ceremonies of the International rally,
> or at a Regional rally, or flags on the stage with dignitaries of the Club,
> etc. This By Law then, if read in the light most favorable to the "benefit
> and enjoyment" of the membership DOES NOT apply to what you attach to your
> own personal trailer. Flying the US flag has the standing of law, in that it
> is codified, but past that there is no reason why our members can not fly a
> decorative flag or pennant, or MIA flag from their own rig. To interpret the
> By Laws in the opposite way, negatively, with extreme conservatism, is
> detrimental to the organization, and contrary to the stated objective of the
> Club Constitution.
>
> Forrest McClure
> 1st Vice-President Unit 24, Denver Colorado
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Lashway" <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:48 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Re: Flag display
>
>
>
>>According to the WBCCI By laws you cannot fly any flag you want at an
>>official WBCCI event. The following paragraph sets the standard. Their
>>was a flap a few years back at Intl. Mtg when MIA flag (or flags) and
>>some other flags where displayed after attendees were reminded about
>>the by-laws rules.
>>
>>"2. Only official National, State, Provincial flags and the official
>>flags of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc. and
>>International Board of Trustees approved Unit and Intra-Club flags and
>>pennants shall be flown or displayed at official events and functions of
>>the International Club. (1/17/97)"
>>
>>There area mess of flag display rules in the By-Laws about what to do
>>and not do with the flag, etc. in addition to the above but do not change
>>the above statement.
>>
>>The Vintage club flag is a recognized/authorized flag.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Roy Lashway
>>'78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
>>WBCCI 1610 VAC
>>rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway
>> (polishing report included)
>>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:37:38 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi for sale.
Jo Ann,
Sorry, I forgot to say that there is no price listed, just the phone
number. I think I'll swing by there this morning after breakfast and when
the sun's up to look a bit more closely at her. Maybe I'll bring the digital
camera along and snap off a handful of images too for those who might want
to see them back channel. Those of you interested, let me know.
This camera is new to me so I'll have to call Olympus first to find out
how in the heck to change the settings so I can take images that are less
than the 1MB each it's taking now! Try sending an email of attached images
that size to a friend and you'll see how unpopular you make yourself in a
hurry! ; - ) the manual talks about the different sizes you can set it to
take, it just doesn't tell how to change them, Grrrrr!
If it isn't obvious by now, I'll say it here. I have no economic
interest in this Bambi, I'm just trying to pass the word on to the folks
that might be the most interested. I don't know the seller and haven't even
met or talked to him/her.
Later,
Glyn
> From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:44:24 -0800
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi for sale.
>
> Hi Glyn: Was a price posted? I am presently tapped out of money and
> energy for another re-do but a former student of mine is looking.
> Thanks.
> Jo Ann
>
> On Jan 2005, at 4:52 PM, Glyn Judson wrote:
>> , There's an Airstream Bambi for sale near my house ....
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:31:44 -0700
From: "Forrest McClure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Daisy,
The only thing I can find on the angle of multiple flag poles is a roughly
drawn diagram in the Blue Book appendix showing that the flag pole holder
should be welded so that there is a 20 degree separation between poles. But
it is simply a recommendation, not a requirement. Some of our members use a
completely different design from the one in the Blue Book.
Forrest
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Daisy Welch" <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> Yahoo! OK Forrest, when they come for me with the handcuffs,
> you're getting my one phone call. Thanks for REALLY reading
> the by laws.
>
> Can anyone find the place in the by laws where it covers the
> actual angle of the flag pole ?
>
> Daisy
>
> Forrest McClure wrote:
>
> > Interpreting Bylaws in a restrictive manner or in a manner that is
negative
> > and reactionary is what gets us into trouble, and it is positively what
> > drives people away from the WBCCI. Instead, the "rules" should, and
will, be
> > interpreted in the light most beneficial to the membership, and in a way
> > that is not at odds with the objective of the Club. Read Article III of
the
> > Club Constitution, where it begins with, "The objective of the
International
> > Club shall be to furnish encouragement and assistance in the development
of
> > Regions, Units and Intra-clubs; to afford opportunities for outdoor
> > fraternization of recreational vehicle owners."
> >
> > None of the By-Laws should ever be interpreted in a manner that
contravenes
> > the stated objective of the Constitution. This isn't me saying this, it
is
> > what Article XV of the Club Constitution says: "Bylaws and Policies not
> > inconsistent with this Constitution... may be adopted." In that light
the
> > official policy, as stated in the Blue Book, specifies that Unit Rallies
> > should be "planned and conducted by a Unit for the benefit and enjoyment
of
> > Unit members."
> >
> > Therefor, it is reasonable and appropriate to interpret the By Laws
> > liberally, so that "Official" relates to an office or official duties,
and
> > "Function" relates to an official ceremony or a formal social occasion
(see
> > the dictionary for definitions) So, the By Law that states only approved
> > flags "shall be flown or displayed at official events and functions"
only
> > applies to situations such as Opening Ceremonies of the International
rally,
> > or at a Regional rally, or flags on the stage with dignitaries of the
Club,
> > etc. This By Law then, if read in the light most favorable to the
"benefit
> > and enjoyment" of the membership DOES NOT apply to what you attach to
your
> > own personal trailer. Flying the US flag has the standing of law, in
that it
> > is codified, but past that there is no reason why our members can not
fly a
> > decorative flag or pennant, or MIA flag from their own rig. To interpret
the
> > By Laws in the opposite way, negatively, with extreme conservatism, is
> > detrimental to the organization, and contrary to the stated objective of
the
> > Club Constitution.
> >
> > Forrest McClure
> > 1st Vice-President Unit 24, Denver Colorado
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roy Lashway" <rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:48 PM
> > Subject: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> >
> >
> >
> >>According to the WBCCI By laws you cannot fly any flag you want at an
> >>official WBCCI event. The following paragraph sets the standard. Their
> >>was a flap a few years back at Intl. Mtg when MIA flag (or flags) and
> >>some other flags where displayed after attendees were reminded about
> >>the by-laws rules.
> >>
> >>"2. Only official National, State, Provincial flags and the official
> >>flags of the Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc. and
> >>International Board of Trustees approved Unit and Intra-Club flags and
> >>pennants shall be flown or displayed at official events and functions of
> >>the International Club. (1/17/97)"
> >>
> >>There area mess of flag display rules in the By-Laws about what to do
> >>and not do with the flag, etc. in addition to the above but do not
change
> >>the above statement.
> >>
> >>The Vintage club flag is a recognized/authorized flag.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Roy Lashway
> >>'78 Argosy,'56 Bubble
> >>WBCCI 1610 VAC
> >>rlashway@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >>web site: www.zianet.com/rlashway
> >> (polishing report included)
> >>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:53:22 -0500
From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
> This camera is new to me so I'll have to call Olympus first to find out
>how in the heck to change the settings so I can take images that are less
>than the 1MB each it's taking now!
Hi Glyn,
Here's an easy way to resize your large pics into small ones for email. If
you are using windows XP, right click on the pic to be resized and pick
'resize pictures' from the menu. Then pick the fist selection from the next
menu. It should be '640 X 280'. Click 'OK' and a copy the pic will be
resized and saved as a 'small' pic with the same name in the same folder.
Bob
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:02:49 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
Bob,
Nice try, but I believe that Glyn is a Mac guy. Although Mac should
have something similar since they have so much in their operating
system. Perhaps one of the Mac people on the list could give Glyn a tip.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Bob Patterson wrote:
>> This camera is new to me so I'll have to call Olympus first to
>> find out
>> how in the heck to change the settings so I can take images that are
>> less
>> than the 1MB each it's taking now!
>
>
> Hi Glyn,
> Here's an easy way to resize your large pics into small ones for
> email. If you are using windows XP, right click on the pic to be
> resized and pick 'resize pictures' from the menu. Then pick the fist
> selection from the next menu. It should be '640 X 280'. Click 'OK' and
> a copy the pic will be resized and saved as a 'small' pic with the
> same name in the same folder.
> Bob
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:13:16 -0600
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Tom Patterson wrote:
"Correct angle" between the poles? You've got to be kidding! You are,
aren't you?
No, I was not kidding. Max Carmichael, the Int Pres who pointed out the
rule basically dismissed it as well, but it still is in the Blue Book and
the busy body types always look for rules to use as a hammer (ie the MIA/POW
flag issue for instance).
Just so that everyone can read for themselves, here is the applicable
section for the Blue Book By-Laws, Section POLICY: Flags and Pennants
starting on page 54 issued 7/5/04. (I have the complete Blue Book in soft
form if anyone is interested is getting it just email me directly). As you
will see subsection h: For the display of flags on a recreational vehicle,
see Appendix #12. (1/17/97), sends you to Appendix 12.
6. Flag Protocol
a. National flags may be displayed outdoors from sunrise to
sunset on buildings, on recreational vehicles and on stationary flagpoles.
(1/17/97)
b. National flags may be displayed outdoors at night provided
such flags are illuminated by lighting directed at the flags. (1/17/97)
c. National flags should not be displayed outdoors in inclement
weather. (1/17/97)
d. When two or more national flags are to be flown or displayed
together, such flags should be of approximately the same dimensions and
flown or displayed at the same height on separate staffs. (1/17/97)
e. When in another country, the national flag of your country
should not be the only national flag you fly or display. When you do not
have the national flag of the country you are visiting, do not fly or
display the national flag of your country. In the latter circumstances, you
may fly or display the flag of your state or province and your flag of
office, if any, or an International Board of Trustees approved Unit or
Intra-Club flag. (1/17/97)
f. The position of honor for a national flag of a country is
governed by the country's order of flag protocol when visiting such country.
(1/17/97)
When in the United States of America and the only national
flag to be flown or displayed is the flag of said country, the positi of
honor is the center staff and said staff is higher than the other staffs
which may be flying or displaying state and Officer flags. (see Appendix
#12) However, when one or more national flags of other countries are to be
flown or displayed with the national flag of the United States, the position
of honor for the latter national flag is on the left as viewed by persons
facing the flags. When one or more national flags are to be flown or
displayed with the national flag of the United States, all such flags shuld
be of approximately the same size and each on a separate staff and all flown
or displayed at the same height. (see Appendix #12)
When in Canada and only two flags are to be flown or
displayed, e.g. the national flag of Canada and the national flag of another
country, or a provincial flag or a flag of office, the position of honor of
the national flag of Canada is on the left as viewed by persons facing the
flags. (see Appendix #12) When three flags are to be flown or displayed
the position of honor for the national flag of Canada is the center staff
and when more than three flags are to be flown or displayed the position of
honor for the national flag of Canada is the left staff. When two or more
flags are to be flown or displayed each flag is to be on a separate staff
and all flown or displayed at the same height. (see Appendix #12)
(1/17/97)
g. At all National, Special Event, Region and State Rallies and
at other events or functions of the International Club being attended by an
International Officer or by a Member of a Unit from another country, the
national flags of the United States of America, Canada and Mexico shall be
honored equally during opening and closing ceremonies and while on display
during the Rally, the event or function. It should be noted that an elected
International Officer is a representative of the Members and the Units in
the countries of the United States of America, Canada and Mexico and
therefore the national flags of said countries should be honored equally at
a Rally, event or function. The United States of America's Pledge of
Allegiance may be omitted at all WBCCI rallies, events and functions held
outside the United States. (1/17/03)
h. For the display of flags on a recreational vehicle, see
Appendix #12. (1/17/97)
i. For the display of flags in an auditorium, a hall, a
classroom or a church, see Appendix #12. (1/17/97)
I am unable to post the drawing as that would require HTML, but a drawing
for a three flag holder is presented with dimensions along with drawings and
protocol for flag presentation depending on single, triple arched, triple
straight (ie equal height) or 5 arched pole configurations. As it is
referenced from the By-Laws Policy section on Flags and Pennants and the
words suggestion, recommendation or guideline are not included, the drawing
has to taken as the approved and sanctioned way. Also, the rest of the Flag
Protocol section in Appendix 12 is actually internationally agreed protocol
that is NOT open to interpretation (ie position, height, etc). It is
interesting that Appendix 12, while showing a 5 flag holder makes NO attempt
to define its dimensions. So the real issue is whether the By-Laws Policy
sections are to be interpreted as By-Laws or guidelines.
I TOTALLY agree with Forrest on using good judgement and following the
overriding WBCCI constitution purpose statement, but unfortunately the
By-Laws in the Blue Book are more often used to intimidate and threaten and
confuse and as Hunter pointed out, it is the attitude and way they are used
that turns so many of us away from the WBCCI.
David
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:20:58 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> Tom Patterson wrote:
> "Correct angle" between the poles? You've got to be kidding! You are,
> aren't you?
>
Tom Patterson wrote nothing of the kind. I always supply my full name in
all of my postings.
The message to which you refer, and all messages sent by "Tom" are sent by
Tom Meeker.
- -Tom
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:44:55 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
Bob,
That's what the Olympus web site told me to do too, but I guess I should
have said that I have an iMac.
Actually I wanted to reduce the size of the file (resolution) as I took
the photo. I played around with the camera earlier this morning and voila,
I reduced it to 97K per image. I did a test shot and downloaded it to my
iMac. It all worked just fine and the image was just great in quality for
my purposes.
All's well now and as a matter of fact, I just came back from taking 22
images of the Bambi for anyone who wants to see them.
Thanks,
Glyn
> From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:53:22 -0500
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
>
>> This camera is new to me so I'll have to call Olympus first to find out
>> how in the heck to change the settings so I can take images that are less
>> than the 1MB each it's taking now!
>
> Hi Glyn,
> Here's an easy way to resize your large pics into small ones for email. If
> you are using windows XP, right click on the pic to be resized and pick
> 'resize pictures' from the menu. Then pick the fist selection from the next
> menu. It should be '640 X 280'. Click 'OK' and a copy the pic will be
> resized and saved as a 'small' pic with the same name in the same folder.
> Bob
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:47:22 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
I have two Olympus digital cameras, and the owners manual for each one
clearly states how to change the picture quality. You do it from the camera
menus.
Roger
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:48:51 -0600
From: dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream Bambi/resize pics
Greetings,
Photo's are simple with Apple, Using OS X. I am using 10.3.7 myself.
To start with connect your Camera to your computer with the USB cable,
turn on your camera.
IPhoto program should start. The Import Photo screen should come up
then click on Import.
After you get your photos into IPhoto move to the Organize screen and
highlight the photo you want to send.
Next, move down to the EMail button across the lower part of the IPhoto
screen and click on that button.
The "Mail Photo" window will pop up and you can choose the best size
for your message.
Click on the "Compose" button and your Mail program will pop up so you
can address your letter and add a message if you want.
Hit Send and sit back... As they say " It's in the Mail"
Dean & Kay
On Jan 22, 2005, at 12:02 PM, William Kerfoot wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Nice try, but I believe that Glyn is a Mac guy. Although Mac should
> have something similar since they have so much in their operating
> system. Perhaps one of the Mac people on the list could give Glyn a
> tip.
>
> Bill Kerfoot
> WBCCI/VAC #5223
> 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
> 1977 Lincoln Continental
> 1979 23' Airstream Safari
> Orange, CA
>
> http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
>
>
> Bob Patterson wrote:
>
>>> This camera is new to me so I'll have to call Olympus first to
>>> find out
>>> how in the heck to change the settings so I can take images that are
>>> less
>>> than the 1MB each it's taking now!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:31:18 -0600
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
My apologies Tom (Patterson). I looked at who sent the message and I just
did not look closer to see that it was on behalf of Tom Meeker. Hopefully
no offense taken, just my mistake.
David
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On Behalf Of Tom Patterson
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:21 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
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From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> Tom Patterson wrote:
> "Correct angle" between the poles? You've got to be kidding! You are,
> aren't you?
>
Tom Patterson wrote nothing of the kind. I always supply my full name in
all of my postings.
The message to which you refer, and all messages sent by "Tom" are sent by
Tom Meeker.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:47:41 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
No offense taken or even assumed. I only wanted to clarify so that I would
only be held responsible for my own postings (and opinions).
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
> My apologies Tom (Patterson). I looked at who sent the message and I just
> did not look closer to see that it was on behalf of Tom Meeker. Hopefully
> no offense taken, just my mistake.
>
> David
>
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> On Behalf Of Tom Patterson
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
>
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> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 11:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Flag display
>
>
>> Tom Patterson wrote:
>> "Correct angle" between the poles? You've got to be kidding! You are,
>> aren't you?
>>
>
> Tom Patterson wrote nothing of the kind. I always supply my full name in
> all of my postings.
>
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>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:05:28 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
Jim
I agree with you 100%. As a USAF retiree and Gulf War vet I feel that the
MIA-POW flag should be allowed. To me it is a more meaningful flag than the
WBC.
I am not an expert on flag display's, nor do I claim to be. Trying to figure
out the proper placement of multiple flags is sometimes confusing, in which
case I usually have to refer back to my military PFE guide which shows/tells
proper placement and position when multiple flags are displayed.
One thing that amazes me though is how some organizations set there own
standards with no real understanding of the flag/flags and their importance or
meaning. The Boy Scouts of America is one organization that teaches our young
boys to love/honor/respect our flag, but yet on the uniform they wear the flag
backwards. When my son joined this year and got his uniform with the the U.S.
flag on the right sleeve with the Union to the rear I removed it and put
another in it's place with the Union forward. When asked by another parent,
why his was different I told him that the flag was backwards and I fixed it.
He then told me that his uniform must match the others and that's the way it's
supposed to be. I then told him the correct way to display the flag and if
it's to be worn on a uniform by my son it will be right or not at all.
Afterward I wrote a few letters to the BSA.
Sorry if I seem to have gotten off track, but you go JIM. Display the MIA-POW
flag with pride
Bobby Gill
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Wrom: DGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUF
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com<mailto:valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
At any event I attend weather permitting including WBCCI events I will Fly
the American and the MIA-POW flag.I am ashamed that any ones ego about the
bylaws would complain about anyone who wishes to honor the MIA and POWs.I am
deeply
proud to be a WW2 and Korean veteran. If posable I will be at the Sarasota
rally and the flags will be flown. I relay think that some of you people who
write the by laws have too much time on your hands and perhaps should pursue
a
meaningful hobby
Jm Smith
1965 Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
192 Dodge Cummins Diesel
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:25:35 -0600
From: "Brian Brown" <bbrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] furnance noise
I tried out our newly purchased 74 AS furnance and it made a sqeeling noise
like the fan needed oiling... got down and checked, the fan and motor move
freely and were not making the noise. they weren't even moving when the noise
was being made..
My question is...???? what's making that noise? does the furnance have a fan
to blow fresh air into the heat exchanger?
Where can i get a service book that covers items like the funance, hot water
heater , refridge , etc
Thanks
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:45:50 -0600
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] furnance noise
Greetings Brian!
The following information was quoted from the VAC website regarding owners'
and service manuals for our Vintage coaches:
<<Manuals
Q: I need an owners and service manual for my Airstream. Where can I get
one?
A: The first owners manuals were published in 1964. Prior to that, the owner
received a brown envelope containing parts lists and other helpful
information on the accessories in his trailer. The VAC has started making
these available in the Members Archive section. A service manual with
instructions for performing service operations did not exist until 1972.
You can get photocopies of owners manual (1964+) and service manuals
(1972-1986) from:
Helen Davis Secretarial Services
PO Box 484 Sidney, OH 45365
(937)492-8885
Prices are about $33 and $70 respectively. After 1986 the Owners Manuals
included available service information.>>
<< http://www.airstream.net/FAQ/FAQ_3.html#Manuals >>
Good luck with your coach!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Brian Brown
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:26 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] furnance noise
I tried out our newly purchased 74 AS furnance and it made a sqeeling noise
like the fan needed oiling... got down and checked, the fan and motor move
freely and were not making the noise. they weren't even moving when the
noise
was being made..
My question is...???? what's making that noise? does the furnance have a
fan
to blow fresh air into the heat exchanger?
Where can i get a service book that covers items like the funance, hot water
heater , refridge , etc
Thanks
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:44:50 -0500
From: Bob Patterson <bpatt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] resize pics
> That's what the Olympus web site told me to do too, but I guess I should
>have said that I have an iMac.
This is not appropriate for the A/S list but since listers use digital
photos a lot here goes:
I have used many programs both free and paid for to do pics and have not
been very satisfied with most of them. Recently Google bought a company
making a great photo organizer and manipulator called Picasa. It use to be
a pay to use program but Google has decided to give it away. If you go to
google.com and click on 'more' you will see the Picasa download near the
bottom. Hope you like it as much as I do. You will be amazed, especially
with the feature called 'timeline'.....truly amazing.
Bob
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:06:13 -0600
From: "J. Anderson" <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] resize pics
Bob, thanks for sharing this. I, for one, do not consider posts like
yours inappropriate, I consider it a "free perk" of being a list subscriber!
John
Bob Patterson wrote:
> This is not appropriate for the A/S list but since listers use
> digital photos a lot here goes:
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:16:38 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] resize pics
Does the program have any spyware features to look out for?
- ----- Original Message -----
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To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] resize pics
> Bob, thanks for sharing this. I, for one, do not consider posts like
> yours inappropriate, I consider it a "free perk" of being a list
subscriber!
>
> John
>
> Bob Patterson wrote:
>
> > This is not appropriate for the A/S list but since listers use
> > digital photos a lot here goes:
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:44:55 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Polish
The weather here in Florida has cooled down and I decided it would be a fun
time to give the Silver Abaltross its BI annual polishing.I checked out the
wonder products that were supposed to creat a brillant shine by majic.There seems
to be more vudo about polisking than any other subject about the Airstream.I
finally seddled on 3m super fine rubbing compound with my Milwaulkee buffer
and a double sided pad.It did a good job and left beautiful swerral marks I
followed up with my air driven dual action sander with a 6in bonnet over the pad
and used 3m machine glaze removed the swrel marks and left an acceptable
shine.Still have to do half of the curb side.
when I was in school many many years ago I read a story about an old
shoemaker that the elves came in at night and did his work.I thought that Ida appealed
to me.Now just meby if i left a 6 pack and the equipment avable to them just
meby they would buff the trailer.The next morning i found not only the trailer
unbuffed but the 6 pack was gone and they complained about the brand. they
just dont make elves like they used to.
If any one wonders why ihe proffesionals charge $100.00 a foot to do the
buffing try doing it your self.
Jim Smith
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:05:24 -0800
From: "Tim S." <safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Polish
Good going Jim. I know tackling a polish job is quite a work out. But
worth it in the end.
Keep it up, and post some pictures if you can.
- -Tim
www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:45 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Polish
>
> The weather here in Florida has cooled down and I decided it would be a
> fun
> time to give the Silver Abaltross its BI annual polishing.I checked out
> the
> wonder products that were supposed to creat a brillant shine by
> majic.There seems
> to be more vudo about polisking than any other subject about the
> Airstream.I
> finally seddled on 3m super fine rubbing compound with my Milwaulkee
> buffer
> and a double sided pad.It did a good job and left beautiful swerral marks
> I
> followed up with my air driven dual action sander with a 6in bonnet over
> the pad
> and used 3m machine glaze removed the swrel marks and left an acceptable
> shine.Still have to do half of the curb side.
> when I was in school many many years ago I read a story about an old
> shoemaker that the elves came in at night and did his work.I thought that
> Ida appealed
> to me.Now just meby if i left a 6 pack and the equipment avable to them
> just
> meby they would buff the trailer.The next morning i found not only the
> trailer
> unbuffed but the 6 pack was gone and they complained about the brand. they
> just dont make elves like they used to.
> If any one wonders why ihe proffesionals charge $100.00 a foot to do the
> buffing try doing it your self.
> Jim Smith
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:08:31 -0600
From: "Brian Brown" <bbrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
Thanks Kevin,
anyone know if there's a blower fan for the heat exchanger? looks like
there's a hose that goes to the outside skin for fresh air... it's cold and
wet and icy here so I go outside and look
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] furnance noise
> Greetings Brian!
>
> The following information was quoted from the VAC website regarding
> owners'
> and service manuals for our Vintage coaches:
>
> <<Manuals
>
> Q: I need an owners and service manual for my Airstream. Where can I get
> one?
> A: The first owners manuals were published in 1964. Prior to that, the
> owner
> received a brown envelope containing parts lists and other helpful
> information on the accessories in his trailer. The VAC has started making
> these available in the Members Archive section. A service manual with
> instructions for performing service operations did not exist until 1972.
> You can get photocopies of owners manual (1964+) and service manuals
> (1972-1986) from:
>
> Helen Davis Secretarial Services
> PO Box 484 Sidney, OH 45365
> (937)492-8885
>
> Prices are about $33 and $70 respectively. After 1986 the Owners Manuals
> included available service information.>>
>
> << http://www.airstream.net/FAQ/FAQ_3.html#Manuals >>
>
> Good luck with your coach!
>
> Kevin
>
>
> Kevin D. Allen
> 1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
> 1978 Argosy Minuet
> 1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
> WBCCI/VAC #6359
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Brian Brown
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:26 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] furnance noise
>
> I tried out our newly purchased 74 AS furnance and it made a sqeeling
> noise
> like the fan needed oiling... got down and checked, the fan and motor move
> freely and were not making the noise. they weren't even moving when the
> noise
> was being made..
>
> My question is...???? what's making that noise? does the furnance have a
> fan
> to blow fresh air into the heat exchanger?
>
> Where can i get a service book that covers items like the funance, hot
> water
> heater , refridge , etc
>
> Thanks
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:16:32 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Polish
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: [VAL] Polish
> The weather here in Florida has cooled down and I decided it would be a
fun
> time to give the Silver Abaltross its BI annual polishing.I checked out
the
> wonder products that were supposed to creat a brillant shine by
majic.There seems
> to be more vudo about polisking than any other subject about the
Airstream.I
> finally seddled on 3m super fine rubbing compound with my Milwaulkee
buffer
> and a double sided pad.It did a good job and left beautiful swerral marks
I
> followed up with my air driven dual action sander with a 6in bonnet over
the pad
> and used 3m machine glaze removed the swrel marks and left an acceptable
> shine.Still have to do half of the curb side.
> when I was in school many many years ago I read a story about an old
> shoemaker that the elves came in at night and did his work.I thought that
Ida appealed
> to me.Now just meby if i left a 6 pack and the equipment avable to them
just
> meby they would buff the trailer.The next morning i found not only the
trailer
> unbuffed but the 6 pack was gone and they complained about the brand. they
> just dont make elves like they used to.
> If any one wonders why ihe proffesionals charge $100.00 a foot to do the
> buffing try doing it your self.
> Jim Smith
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:20:29 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Polish @ $100.00 per foot
Jim, I'm with you on the polishing at $100.00 per foot. After completing
the preliminary polish on the Globe Trotter I had tennis elbow! But it sure
looked great.
GAS
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:32:35 -0800
From: "Tim S." <safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] furnace noise
Brian,
If you are talking about a Suburban furnace, they have one motor. It serves
as the blower and fresh air intake from the outside.
I don't know what you could be hearing that's squealing if the furnace motor
is not running. That is a strange one. The motors are known to get a
little out of whack after 30 years ;-)
You do have to remove the entire furnace guts to get access to the motor
itself. To do that you have to remove the vent cover on the outside, then
remove the two screws behind it that hold the intake and exhaust pipes to
the wall. Then go back in the trailer, and remove the gas line (after
shutting off the tanks and the valve). Remove the front cover via the two
snapping clamps, and then remove the bolt/screw near the bottom holding the
guts in place. Disconnect the wiring and slide it out of the shell.
You will probably want to clean it all out anyway so now is a good time to
go over the whole thing.
- -Tim
www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Brian Brown
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
>
> Thanks Kevin,
> anyone know if there's a blower fan for the heat exchanger? looks like
> there's a hose that goes to the outside skin for fresh air... it's cold
> and
> wet and icy here so I go outside and look
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:49:10 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
Brian,
Was the furnance even on? On the furnace, you should have one motor.
The only time this motor will run is during the operation of the furnace.
Even as the furnace cycles on and of to keep the trailer at the temp. set.
When it reaches that temp, the furnace will shutoff leaving only the pilot
light on. When the temp falls below the set temp, the motor will turn on
clearing the chambers of any gases, pilot lights the burner, heat is blown
out ducts until temp is reached, it shuts-off again and so on. So if you
hear
a noise and the thing is off, you have something else squeeling. Was the
water
pump running at the time? I sometimes have a screw that hold the waterpump
in place come loose and the turning of the pump will rub up against
something
and make a squeeling noise.
Paul Waddell
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Brown" <bbrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:25 PM
Subject: [VAL] furnance noise
> I tried out our newly purchased 74 AS furnance and it made a sqeeling
noise
> like the fan needed oiling... got down and checked, the fan and motor move
> freely and were not making the noise. they weren't even moving when the
noise
> was being made..
>
> My question is...???? what's making that noise? does the furnance have a
fan
> to blow fresh air into the heat exchanger?
>
> Where can i get a service book that covers items like the funance, hot
water
> heater , refridge , etc
>
> Thanks
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:19:13 -0500
From: "Brian Brown" <BBrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnace noise
Tim,
It is a Suburban furnace. The motor is on the outside of the heater box,
with a fan belt going to a pulley. Squirl cage fan is inside the heater
housing.
When I turn on the therostat located over the twin bed, the noise begins,
the motor with the fan belt is not energizing and is not turning. It does
turn freely by hand so it's not locked up or binding. The noise is in that
area and fairly loud at first.. then peters off. I didn't leave it on long.
I figured the furnace set up is typical.... ie gas burner, heat exchanger,
temp sensor that switches on the fan blower on when heat exhanger reaches
operating temp... That's about it..
anyway.. I will check it out more. I just to know if there was an
additional fan I should be looking for.
(the water pump wouldn't come on for any reason when the thermostat is on
does it?? ) Is there a switch somewhere for the water pump?
Thanks to both of you for your replys and trying to help.
Brian
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim S." <safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] furnace noise
> Brian,
>
> If you are talking about a Suburban furnace, they have one motor. It
> serves
> as the blower and fresh air intake from the outside.
>
> I don't know what you could be hearing that's squealing if the furnace
> motor
> is not running. That is a strange one. The motors are known to get a
> little out of whack after 30 years ;-)
>
> You do have to remove the entire furnace guts to get access to the motor
> itself. To do that you have to remove the vent cover on the outside, then
> remove the two screws behind it that hold the intake and exhaust pipes to
> the wall. Then go back in the trailer, and remove the gas line (after
> shutting off the tanks and the valve). Remove the front cover via the two
> snapping clamps, and then remove the bolt/screw near the bottom holding
> the
> guts in place. Disconnect the wiring and slide it out of the shell.
>
> You will probably want to clean it all out anyway so now is a good time to
> go over the whole thing.
>
> -Tim
> www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
>> On Behalf Of Brian Brown
>> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>> Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
>>
>> Thanks Kevin,
>> anyone know if there's a blower fan for the heat exchanger? looks like
>> there's a hose that goes to the outside skin for fresh air... it's cold
>> and
>> wet and icy here so I go outside and look
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:30:49 -0800
From: "Tim S." <safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] furnace noise
Brain, that is certainly a different animal than I am used to.
I'm sure someone hear will chime in if we keep talking about it!
I'd check your voltage then at the furnace, maybe a relay is trying to
engage without enough power or ground and is chattering. Much like I am now
since I don't have the answer!
Good luck!
- -Tim
www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Brian Brown
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:19 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] furnace noise
>
> Tim,
>
> It is a Suburban furnace. The motor is on the outside of the heater box,
> with a fan belt going to a pulley. Squirl cage fan is inside the heater
> housing.
>
> When I turn on the therostat located over the twin bed, the noise begins,
> the motor with the fan belt is not energizing and is not turning. It does
> turn freely by hand so it's not locked up or binding. The noise is in that
> area and fairly loud at first.. then peters off. I didn't leave it on
> long.
>
> I figured the furnace set up is typical.... ie gas burner, heat exchanger,
> temp sensor that switches on the fan blower on when heat exhanger reaches
> operating temp... That's about it..
>
> anyway.. I will check it out more. I just to know if there was an
> additional fan I should be looking for.
>
> (the water pump wouldn't come on for any reason when the thermostat is on
> does it?? ) Is there a switch somewhere for the water pump?
>
> Thanks to both of you for your replys and trying to help.
>
> Brian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim S." <safari_tim@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 9:32 PM
> Subject: RE: [VAL] furnace noise
>
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > If you are talking about a Suburban furnace, they have one motor. It
> > serves
> > as the blower and fresh air intake from the outside.
> >
> > I don't know what you could be hearing that's squealing if the furnace
> > motor
> > is not running. That is a strange one. The motors are known to get a
> > little out of whack after 30 years ;-)
> >
> > You do have to remove the entire furnace guts to get access to the motor
> > itself. To do that you have to remove the vent cover on the outside,
> then
> > remove the two screws behind it that hold the intake and exhaust pipes
> to
> > the wall. Then go back in the trailer, and remove the gas line (after
> > shutting off the tanks and the valve). Remove the front cover via the
> two
> > snapping clamps, and then remove the bolt/screw near the bottom holding
> > the
> > guts in place. Disconnect the wiring and slide it out of the shell.
> >
> > You will probably want to clean it all out anyway so now is a good time
> to
> > go over the whole thing.
> >
> > -Tim
> > www.ldservice.com/tim/tim
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Brian Brown
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:09 PM
> >> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >> Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
> >>
> >> Thanks Kevin,
> >> anyone know if there's a blower fan for the heat exchanger? looks like
> >> there's a hose that goes to the outside skin for fresh air... it's cold
> >> and
> >> wet and icy here so I go outside and look
> >
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:02:17 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] One complaint abaout Picasa
http://battellemedia.com/archives/000969.php
>
>Posted by John Battelle at October 15, 2004 08:33 AM | TrackBack
>
>Comments
>
>I've tried Picasa and Hello only because it appears the only way I can
post pics on my
>blogger is to download the programs. I decided to do some scanning one
day recently
>and found that my scanner program had been taken over by Picasa, as
Picasa
>appeared on my screen when I used the scanner, with an option to then
use my scanner
>program, through Picasa. Problem - the scanner program no longer
worked as it had
>done and pics could only be saved in some strange format that was
data. There no
>longer existed the option for jpg. After becoming totally frustrated in
attempting to save
>scanned pics, and before taking an axe to my computer, I trashed Picasa
and Hello. But,
>each time I open up a file now, I find Picasa lurking in there. I've found it
on discs that I
>have burned, in the files I burned. So I'm not amused by Picasa and Hello.
I see it as
>another invasive program that doesn't just do what it's portrayed as
doing, it takes over
>everything it can take over. This to me is another form of 'big brother' in my
life and as
>such, it went where it deserved to go, to the trash bin. And as I find the
pieces lurking all
>over my computer, they will be trashed too. Uninstalling the programs did
not clean my
>computer of Picasa, something else I don't like. If I choose not to keep a
program that I
>have downloaded, then that is my choice and I should be able to
remove all traces of
>that program from my computer. So sorry, but I don't agree with your
comments re the
>value of the two programs.
I found one report that said a spyware check detected no spyware.
However the HELLO function makes blogger posts virtually instantly. And
there's comments about reports of activity.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:08:17 -0800
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
It seems I read somewhere about odd sounds coming from furnaces which needed
to have their air shutters on the main burner (probably right next to the
sparker) adjusted. It would be an easy fix, if so.
Close it down for richer, open it up for leaner. A nice, blue flame is the
desired end result. Might be worth a try...you could always put it right back
where it was if it didn't help, and it's a lot easier than tearing stuff
apart!
Mark in Modesto
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:13:02 -0700
From: "Forrest McClure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
Mark,
I think you're right on, it's the gas. That would explain the noise even
when the motor isn't running. If it isn't precisely there, then it might be
in the regulator?
Forrest
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
> It seems I read somewhere about odd sounds coming from furnaces which
needed
> to have their air shutters on the main burner (probably right next to the
> sparker) adjusted. It would be an easy fix, if so.
>
> Close it down for richer, open it up for leaner. A nice, blue flame is
the
> desired end result. Might be worth a try...you could always put it right
back
> where it was if it didn't help, and it's a lot easier than tearing stuff
> apart!
>
> Mark in Modesto
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:29:15 -0800
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] furnance noise
Forrest,
I suppose it could be the regulator, but I'd rather believe it could be a
spiderweb, or bug something-or-other in a critical place.
Mud daubers have a penchant for propane, maybe others do too.
I'll be curious to know what the solution to the problem actually turns out to
be.
Mark
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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:50:13 -0700
From: Rob Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Flag display
dtidmore wrote:
> "but unfortunately the By-Laws in the Blue Book are more often used
> to intimidate and threaten and confuse and as Hunter pointed out, it
> is the attitude and way they are used that turns so many of us away
> from the WBCCI."
That approach hardly accomplishes the overall club goals as Forrest
pointed out so well, while making my job of growing the membership that
much harder.
Rob Davis
Denver Unit Membership Chairman
'64 GlobeTrotter, #1824
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