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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Cool Vintage Trailer Site
[VAL] Re: elec disc brakes
Re: [VAL] Cool Vintage Trailer Site
Re: [VAL] Vintage 2nd Step
[VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
[VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
[VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
RE: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:24:03 -0800
From: Steve Lewis <stevelewis@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Cool Vintage Trailer Site
Have you folks seen this? I stumbled across this site tonight and
couldn't pull myself away for a looong time. There are just a few
Airstreams, but it's a GREAT resource when it's time to play "Name That
Trailer." Check it out, but be warned... you might want to clear your
schedule for an hour or two.
<http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/html/vintage_mobile_homes.htm>
Steve Lewis
WBCCI/VAC #9943
1956 Safari
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 08:53:24 EST
From: AlanTBird@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: elec disc brakes
In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:01:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
These early factory Airstream disc brake systems can
be upgraded to electric/hydraulic quite easily. The
original calipers and discs stay in place, and a new
e/h actuator is added to the tongue, where the old one
was, or ideally inside a closet right over the axle
system.
This is good to know as I'm sure to stumble across them again!
I prefer the disc to the drum! The ones I had were VERRY responsive and
smooth!
also, I had them connected to a diesel truck and they worked great!
It was a Ford and the vacuum pump handled the extra task!
AlanT
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:49:44 -0600
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cool Vintage Trailer Site
COOOOOOL!!!! Site.
Thanks for the post.
Blair
At 10:24 PM 1/18/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Have you folks seen this? I stumbled across this site tonight and couldn't
>pull myself away for a looong time. There are just a few Airstreams, but
>it's a GREAT resource when it's time to play "Name That Trailer." Check it
>out, but be warned... you might want to clear your schedule for an hour or two.
>
><http://www.allmanufacturedhomes.com/html/vintage_mobile_homes.htm>
>
>Steve Lewis
>WBCCI/VAC #9943
>1956 Safari
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:51:16 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vintage 2nd Step
Forrest
Jarrod White has a 1966 with the second step.
Maybe he could send you a photo of it. Should be easy to make.
It slides into the square tube section of the step.
When not in use it folds flat for easy storage.
Bobby
How cool. There has been many a time I needed an extra step, so I 'd be
interested in getting one of these. It looks like it would work on a '66
step? I'd have to drill holes to received the removable step, but otherwise
it looks very much like the same design. Are the prongs that insert into
the
fold out step round or square?
Forrest
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:12:31 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Kevin,
When you tow with your vintage tow car, how many hours a day
do you travel? Also, if "Mapquest" says it's five hours from one
point to another, should I plan on it taking about six? What's your
average speed? My thought was try to travel six hours a day, at a
speed of 50mph. Anymore than that and I think my wife and child
will put me out on the side of the road! Is it better to get up early,
put it all six up front, or try to break it up. Say 3-4 in the morning,
2-3 in the afternoon. How many miles do you try to get in a day?
Paul Waddell
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:45:28 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
I like to stop and take a little walk every 100 miles. I've found over the last 40
years that I grow uncomfortably stiff if I drive much further, no matter the
speed. Sometimes that stop is just long enough to go to a restroom,
sometimes its long enough to cover all four corners of a super walmart.
Touring an antique mall can take nearly an hour. Genealogy library visits can
take half a day or 30 minutes.
If mapquest says 5 hours, in the west that may be at 70+ mph. Putting along
at 50 on the same interstates will take 7 hours. Taking the old roads away
from the interstates will take a couple hours longer because of slowing for
towns and the roads being less straight. When driving 50, its hard to keep an
average up to 40 over a day of driving with breaks and town traffic.
In the past few months, without Airstream I can make 480 miles in a day in
Iowa and Missouri. With Airstream I prefer to keep it down to 300 to 350 miles
in a day. I did make that 479 mile run last June in one day, 13 hours. I was so
tired it took half the night to get to sleep. Some of the roads were those I
described last night, the really crooked roads in southern Missouri.
I spread the daily trip out, with breaks depending on what turns up each
place. I don't often get a really early start.
Its usually handy to get to the campground to set up leisurely for the
evening meal and the evening. But sometimes I pull into the campground
after 11 PM.
Gerald J.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:57:58 -0800
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Paul,
I tow at 55 to 60 MPH, with grades I am lucky to average 50 MPH out
here. You have to look at the distance on Mapquest, the time is
calculated at the speed limit, hard for me to achieve, especially since
the towing speed in California is 55 and the freeway speed is 65 to 70.
Then you have to add in stops, bathroom breaks, meals, gas etc. I
always found that not towing and stopping for meals at restaurants, not
rest stops that I would be lucky to average 60 with a 70 to 75 MPH speed
limit.
Our recent trips with the Airstream have been 250 to 350 miles per day.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
1979 23' Airstream Safari
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/Bill-Beth-1979-Safari
Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>Kevin,
>
>When you tow with your vintage tow car, how many hours a day
>do you travel? Also, if "Mapquest" says it's five hours from one
>point to another, should I plan on it taking about six? What's your
>average speed? My thought was try to travel six hours a day, at a
>speed of 50mph. Anymore than that and I think my wife and child
>will put me out on the side of the road! Is it better to get up early,
>put it all six up front, or try to break it up. Say 3-4 in the morning,
>2-3 in the afternoon. How many miles do you try to get in a day?
>
>Paul Waddell
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:47:23 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
All,
Then what I have sounds about right. I plan to take four days
to get to Springfield, Mo. from Front Royal, Va.. As of now
(I know it will change 50 times), the first day will be from
Front Royal, Va. to Charleston, WV (area)301 miles, day two
will be Charleston, WV to Leitchfield, KY (Near Elizabethtown area) 289
miles,
day three Leitchfield, KY to Poplar Bluff, MO(area)253 miles,
day four Poplar Bluff, MO to Springfield, MO 192 miles.
I would be using I-81, I-64, Blue Grass PKY, West. KY PKY,
RT. 60 to Springfield, MO
Thats what I have in my head(as of now). My thought, leave Friday
morning, get there Tues. afternoon. Then go in with the vintage group.
When I pull with the Excursion, I'll run 8-9 hours no problem. But this
is a new one for me with the Travelall. Thats why I'm asking so
many questions. We are going to the Florida State rally in Feb. We
will make that trip in two days, pulling with the Excursion. My family
and I normally are under very tight time lines which makes going to
a rally tough. Like with the FL rally, my wife has class on Monday
nights. We will leave after her class 9:00pm Monday night and be
at the rally by Weds. early afternoon. On the way back, we'll leave
Sun. morning and have her back in time for class Monday night!
We love being at the rallies, just hate going to and from! But for
now it's the only way we get to go. I thank all of you for your
help. I'm sure there will be many more questions to come. As well
as different routes to get there!
Paul Waddell
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
> Paul,
>
> I tow at 55 to 60 MPH, with grades I am lucky to average 50 MPH out
> here. You have to look at the distance on Mapquest, the time is
> calculated at the speed limit, hard for me to achieve, especially since
> the towing speed in California is 55 and the freeway speed is 65 to 70.
> Then you have to add in stops, bathroom breaks, meals, gas etc. I
> always found that not towing and stopping for meals at restaurants, not
> rest stops that I would be lucky to average 60 with a 70 to 75 MPH speed
> limit.
>
> Our recent trips with the Airstream have been 250 to 350 miles per day.
>
> Bill Kerfoot
> WBCCI/VAC #5223
> 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
> 1977 Lincoln Continental
> 1979 23' Airstream Safari
> Orange, CA
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:57:57 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
All,
Tonight I'm offering a vintage Coleman picnic jug for Cargo Shifting.
It's half metal/half plastic on the outside. The metallic green green top
is the top half with the white plastic on the bottom. As a matter of fact,
it looks just like this one currently on eBay except for the color and the
Coleman badgeing.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=831&item=7128758544&r
d=1
If you think you could use this item to enhance your Airstream and are
the first to respond, I'll send it to you for nothing more than what it
costs me to mail it to you.
I don't want any money up front, just observe the postage on the box
when it arrives and send me that amount only to my address that'll be
clearly typed on the box. That's all there is to it.
Good luck,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:01:38 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
All,
Oops, I goofed a bit! My jug has the spigot on the side in the middle
of the white area, not in the metal like in the eBay one. Other than that,
everything's the same.
Sorry,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> All,
>
> Tonight I'm offering a vintage Coleman picnic jug for Cargo Shifting. It's
> half metal/half plastic on the outside. The metallic green green top is the
> top half with the white plastic on the bottom. As a matter of fact, it looks
> just like this one currently on eBay except for the color and the Coleman
> badgeing.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=831&item=7128758544&rd=
> 1
>
> If you think you could use this item to enhance your Airstream and are the
> first to respond, I'll send it to you for nothing more than what it costs me
> to mail it to you.
>
> I don't want any money up front, just observe the postage on the box when it
> arrives and send me that amount only to my address that'll be clearly typed on
> the box. That's all there is to it.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Glyn Judson
> 1969 Caravel #508
> Santa Monica CA
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:01:48 EST
From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Hi Glyn,
I would love to have the vintage Coleman picnic jug. I would more than
happy to pay at least the shipping. Let me know if I am the first to answer.
Thanks.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:03:00 EST
From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
I would still love it. Thanks.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:05:58 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Linda,
Congratulations. Email me your postal address and I'll get it into the
mail tomorrow morning right after breakfast at the bagel shop.
Glyn
> From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:01:48 EST
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
>
> Hi Glyn,
>
> I would love to have the vintage Coleman picnic jug. I would more than
> happy to pay at least the shipping. Let me know if I am the first to answer.
> Thanks.
>
> Linda
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:11:03 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Linda,
Send your address to me back channel to protect your privacy if you
wish.
Glyn
> From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:03:00 EST
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Oops!! Re: Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
>
> I would still love it. Thanks.
>
> Linda
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:18:09 EST
From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Glyn,
Oh, thank you so much. My address is: Linda O'Dell, 276 Valley View
Road, Swall Meadows, CA 93514 and definitely go to the bagel shop! Thank you again.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:29:02 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
Linda,
Done. I have the box taped up with your address on it. Look for it to
arrive soon.
Glyn
> From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:18:09 EST
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Cargo Shifting: Vintage Coleman Jug
>
> Linda O'Dell, 276 Valley View
> Road, Swall Meadows, CA 93514
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:36:42 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
I'm inclined to agree with the good Dr., 350 miles a day is
the most punishment I can take. My brain starts to giggle
after that. I am not driving a vintage puller though. But a
big diesel truck and 29' of trailer has a sort of
philosphical weight to it that makes me weary after 350 miles.
Daisy
Dr. Gerald Johnson wrote:
> I like to stop and take a little walk every 100 miles. I've found over the last 40
> years that I grow uncomfortably stiff if I drive much further, no matter the
> speed. Sometimes that stop is just long enough to go to a restroom,
> sometimes its long enough to cover all four corners of a super walmart.
> Touring an antique mall can take nearly an hour. Genealogy library visits can
> take half a day or 30 minutes.
>
> If mapquest says 5 hours, in the west that may be at 70+ mph. Putting along
> at 50 on the same interstates will take 7 hours. Taking the old roads away
> from the interstates will take a couple hours longer because of slowing for
> towns and the roads being less straight. When driving 50, its hard to keep an
> average up to 40 over a day of driving with breaks and town traffic.
>
> In the past few months, without Airstream I can make 480 miles in a day in
> Iowa and Missouri. With Airstream I prefer to keep it down to 300 to 350 miles
> in a day. I did make that 479 mile run last June in one day, 13 hours. I was so
> tired it took half the night to get to sleep. Some of the roads were those I
> described last night, the really crooked roads in southern Missouri.
>
> I spread the daily trip out, with breaks depending on what turns up each
> place. I don't often get a really early start.
>
> Its usually handy to get to the campground to set up leisurely for the
> evening meal and the evening. But sometimes I pull into the campground
> after 11 PM.
>
> Gerald J.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:00:56 -0600
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Greetings Paul!
Once summer arrives, I have few time constraints so generally take my time.
I generally try to stick to a schedule of no more than six to seven travel
hours which equates to something around 250 to 300 mile days. My maximum
towing speed with either the new or vintage tow vehicle is 55 MPH. I often
travel a few more hours with the Suburban but try to be sure that I am
located for the evening an hour or two before sunset when towing with the
Cadillac.
I have been using Rand McNally TripMaker to plan my trips. It is very
flexible and allows you to set parameters such as average travel speed for
each of four road classes, travel start and stop times, routing preferences
(shortest, quickest, scenic), travel dates, and stopovers. There are
plug-ins for campgrounds, hotels/motels that will point out nearby lodging
to the indicated stopping point for a travel day. Over the years, I have
found this program to be quite helpful in planning my excursions.
Particularly when traveling in hot weather, I find that it helps to plan
slightly longer stops (30 minutes - - a little more or less) when towing
with the Cadillac as its exhaust tends to superheat the firewall and
starter. I am not a good morning person so I usually try to drive the first
three hours without a stop (about the maximum that I can go on one tank of
gas), and then stop for lunch and fuel allowing the Cadillac a full hour or
a little more to cool. I find that the afternoon is when I want a mid-day
break so will drive about 90 minutes and try to find a place for a 30 minute
rest break. Generally, I find that the Cadillac doesn't really greatly
impact my normal travel schedule other than in extremely hot weather when it
has demonstrated the need for longer rest periods when the motor is shut
down.
Good luck with your plans!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:13 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Kevin, how many hours a day?
Kevin,
When you tow with your vintage tow car, how many hours a day
do you travel? Also, if "Mapquest" says it's five hours from one
point to another, should I plan on it taking about six? What's your
average speed? My thought was try to travel six hours a day, at a
speed of 50mph. Anymore than that and I think my wife and child
will put me out on the side of the road! Is it better to get up early,
put it all six up front, or try to break it up. Say 3-4 in the morning,
2-3 in the afternoon. How many miles do you try to get in a day?
Paul Waddell
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