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VAL Digest Thursday, January 13 2005 Volume 02 : Number 126
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Re: copper?!
[VAL] Way cool Texas Ware on eBay
[VAL] RE: VAL Copper!!
[VAL] RE: VAL Window Glazing Bead
[VAL] Airstream copper tubing
[VAL] Copper Plumbing
[VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
Re: [VAL] Copper Plumbing
Re: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
[VAL] Re: {VAL] Copper Plumbing
Re: [VAL] copper?!
Re: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
RE: [VAL] Rear Bumper Mounted Spare Tire on Airstream
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:48:28 -0800
From: Dave Gomberg <dave1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: copper?!
At 22:00 1/11/2005, you wrote:
>5/8" copper, and if so, where
>I might find some replacement parts?
025-0015 $31.88 5/8" Copper Tubing - 1/2 Roll at www.rparts.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:14:06 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Way cool Texas Ware on eBay
All,
I ordinarily don't do this kind of thing but thought I'd alert those of
you who own early Airstreams to a neat offering on eBay. It's a set of
turquoise and brown, two toned Texas Ware dishes. You can see them at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13941&item=3293841847
&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
The photo doesn't show the color too well but the top/inside of them is
turquoise while the bottom/outside is a cocoa brown. I have a pale yellow/
cocoa brown set in our Caravel so know what they look like.
I have no economic interest in this set, but just thought that someone
out there might find them to be just right for the completion of their
interior.
If someone buys them, let me know and send photos of them in your
galley. : -)
Regards,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:53:53 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] RE: VAL Copper!!
Chris,
Glad it worked out, but Airstream never did use 5/8" copper pipe. It is
always because of the uniform freezing process that you get the "5/8"
pipe. Luck is always better than being right!
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:26:09 -0600
From: Chris Koehn <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Copper!!
As it turns out, there is such a thing as 5/8" copper. I found a local
A/C contractor who knew all about it. Got him to fab me a flared end,
and now all is sweetness and light.
Thanks,
Chris K.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:53:57 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] RE: VAL Window Glazing Bead
Ed,
No sealant required except in the corners at the miters.
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com
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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:58:42 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Window Glazing Bead
Hello All,
I just received my order of window glazing bead for the 59 (thanks
airstreamdreams). Can anyone tell me if I should just place the silicone
bead in the aluminum channel or should a put a light bead of some sort
of sealant in the channel and then the silicone bead?
Thanks
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:29:02 EST
From: Inlandrv@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Airstream copper tubing
Airstream has always used "soft" copper tubing.
They have used 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" and 5/8" tubing, as measured on the outside.
Therefore any unusual dimensions, other than the above, is an absolute
guarantee that all or a part of the trailers tubing froze.
When it has frozen, it is not unusual to find odd dimensions, throughout the
entire trailer.
The fix?
Replace all of it. If not, sooner or later, when you least expect it, another
fitting will fail.
Andy
Inland RV Center, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:08:59 -0500
From: <spectrumnc@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Copper Plumbing
I ususally lurk and read the posts here, but I have some experience with this one,
as I am currently in the process of re-plumbing our entire '66 GT. When I bought
this thing, it had about 15 patched lines (with flex hose and clamps), and I had
to repair at least one leak every time we took it out.. Somone in the past had also
tried to "flare" the 1/2" fitting with little success. I asked my master plumber
father in law about it, he said he had never seen the 5/8" pipe size, he too thought
it may be a refridgeration tube. Wonder if this was another "proprietary" Airstream
deal to drive folks to the dealer for parts, like the sewer hookups? Went to several
hardware stores, called every plumbing store in the area and no one could help with
the fittings, so I finally decided to re-plumb the entire thing in 1/2 copper, adding
shuts offs at the faucets and water heater. PEX would probably be a good alternative,
it's a lot easier to deal with and doesn't freeze as quickly as copper, but you must
buy the tools to crimp it, and it isn't original. A PEX application would still have
to be winterized.
This must be a big problem on these units because the I looked at another couple's
vintage trailer on our last outing and he had a bunch of rubber hoses clamped on his
as well.
Mark Pate
Stanley, NC
'66 GT
'50 Spartan Mansion
'92 F350 Powerstroke (conversion)
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:51:32 -0500
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
Ok. I know someone has mentioned this before.
Bike rack on rear of Airstream.
Has anyone done this yet?
I have a idea of what I want to do, but am curious if someone has mounted one
with any success.
My plan is to take a truck receiver hitch, cut it and lengthen the
bars/mounting plates so I can bolt it to the outside of the trailer frame
without removing the aluminum bumper. The receiver will be reversed, instead
of going under the trailer it will go above the bumper and storage
compartment. This is to provide plenty of ground clearance plus still allow
use of the storage compartment. Yes it will be hard to access the storage with
bikes on the rack, I just want to transport the bikes outside.
The last few times we've loaded them inside using the rack I made to carry
them in we've found it functional as far as transporting, but not practical
when we stop to feed the kids.
Any ideas or input appreciated.
Thanks
Bobby Gill
1973 Ambassador rear twin
Wanting to carry 4 bikes
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:59:21 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Copper Plumbing
Mark
I re-plumbed my '73 with PEX. The lines that run close to wheel-well or
crosses over in the bottom, I put the insulation on before putting them in. It
was a pain, but I think worth the effort. Four years and several winter trips
to the mountains with no leaks - priceless.
Bobby
I ususally lurk and read the posts here, but I have some experience with
this one, as I am currently in the process of re-plumbing our entire '66 GT.
so I finally decided to re-plumb the entire thing in 1/2 copper, adding shuts
offs at the faucets and water heater. PEX would probably be a good
alternative, it's a lot easier to deal with and doesn't freeze as quickly as
copper
Mark Pate
Stanley, NC
'66 GT
'50 Spartan Mansion
'92 F350 Powerstroke (conversion)
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:01:47 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
Bobby
Probably not the best idea - its a physics thing - you want to keep at much
weight as possible (especially bouncing weight) off the rear - could cause
the frame to seperate from the body. Airstream frames are made to support
the weight of the body and not much else.
Ken
At 12:51 PM 01/12/05 -0500, you wrote:
> Ok. I know someone has mentioned this before.
>Bike rack on rear of Airstream.
>Has anyone done this yet?
>I have a idea of what I want to do, but am curious if someone has mounted one
>with any success.
>My plan is to take a truck receiver hitch, cut it and lengthen the
>bars/mounting plates so I can bolt it to the outside of the trailer frame
>without removing the aluminum bumper. The receiver will be reversed, instead
>of going under the trailer it will go above the bumper and storage
>compartment. This is to provide plenty of ground clearance plus still allow
>use of the storage compartment. Yes it will be hard to access the storage with
>bikes on the rack, I just want to transport the bikes outside.
>The last few times we've loaded them inside using the rack I made to carry
>them in we've found it functional as far as transporting, but not practical
>when we stop to feed the kids.
>Any ideas or input appreciated.
>Thanks
>Bobby Gill
>1973 Ambassador rear twin
>Wanting to carry 4 bikes
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:06:36 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: {VAL] Copper Plumbing
Whether replacing water lines with copper or with PEX its equally important to
allow for drains. Be sure to make the lines slope to the low spots and at every
low spot T in a drain valve. Then draining the system can be convenient,
instead of a task left too long. In my ideal, I'd T in a shrader valve (like a brass
tire stem) up high in the water lines (maybe separate for hot and cold) to
make coupling my air compressor convenient for blowing out the last drops of
water rapidly.
Gerald J.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:07:03 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] copper?!
Go to http://www.mcmaster.com search for copper flare fittings, look at those
for 45 degrees and you will see them available for 5/8" OD tubing. They also
have the tubing.
Gerald J.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:18:03 -0800
From: "Marc Lizer" <marclizer@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
Would a spare tire on the rear be manageable?
marc
57 Overlander
> [Original Message]
> From: Kenneth E. Johansen <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Date: 1/12/2005 10:01:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
>
> Bobby
>
> Probably not the best idea - its a physics thing - you want to keep at
much
> weight as possible (especially bouncing weight) off the rear - could
cause
> the frame to seperate from the body. Airstream frames are made to
support
> the weight of the body and not much else.
>
> Ken
>
> At 12:51 PM 01/12/05 -0500, you wrote:
> > Ok. I know someone has mentioned this before.
> >Bike rack on rear of Airstream.
> >Has anyone done this yet?
> >I have a idea of what I want to do, but am curious if someone has
mounted one
> >with any success.
> >My plan is to take a truck receiver hitch, cut it and lengthen the
> >bars/mounting plates so I can bolt it to the outside of the trailer frame
> >without removing the aluminum bumper. The receiver will be reversed,
instead
> >of going under the trailer it will go above the bumper and storage
> >compartment. This is to provide plenty of ground clearance plus still
allow
> >use of the storage compartment. Yes it will be hard to access the
storage with
> >bikes on the rack, I just want to transport the bikes outside.
> >The last few times we've loaded them inside using the rack I made to
carry
> >them in we've found it functional as far as transporting, but not
practical
> >when we stop to feed the kids.
> >Any ideas or input appreciated.
> >Thanks
> >Bobby Gill
> >1973 Ambassador rear twin
> >Wanting to carry 4 bikes
> >
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:35:30 -0600
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Rear Bumper Mounted Spare Tire on Airstream
Greetings Marc!
Based on my experience with my '64 Overlander, I would avoid adding
anything of appreciable weight to the rear bumper. My Overlander was
fitted with a rear bumper spare tire mount shortly after it was
purchased new - - a few years ago (about three years ago), I paid the
price - - $1,500+ for repair of a rear separation that was aggravated if
not caused by long-term lever action of the spare tire and mount on the
frame.
The original location for the spare (at least in '64 and possibly in '57
was behind the LP tanks on the hitch). Since I have switched to 40
pound Worthington LP tanks on my coach, there wasn't enough room to
mount the spare on the tongue so I now reluctantly carry it in the rear
of my tow vehicle - - I am contemplating having one of the current
under-floor mount spare tire carriers adapted to my coach in the not too
distant future.
Good luck with your investigation!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Marc Lizer
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Rack on A/S
Would a spare tire on the rear be manageable?
marc
57 Overlander
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