VAL Digest V2 #123

VAL Digest          Monday, January 10 2005          Volume 02 : Number 123




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] 2005 VAC Rocky Mountain Rally
Re: [VAL] 2005 VAC Rocky Mountain Rally
[VAL] Window Operator Solution
Re: [VAL] 2005 VAC Rocky Mountain Rally
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #122
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #122
Re: [VAL] Window Operator Solution
Re: [VAL] Is: River Shaver for loan
[VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S
[VAL] [VAC] A compendium of shock posts from the past two years
[VAL] Screens
Re: [VAL] Screens
Re: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S
Re: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S
Re: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S

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Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:13:53 -0700
From: "Fred Coldwell" <agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] 2005 VAC Rocky Mountain Rally

Region 11 members of the Vintage Airstream Club are pleased to announce 
the 5th Annual Rocky Mountain Rally will be held from Friday, August 5th 
to Wednesday morning, August 10, 2005, at the Garden of the Gods 
Campground in Colorado Springs, CO.,   Please join us in this 
Alumibration where well swap tales short and tall, view trailers short 
and long, and celebrate into nights cool and long, watching campfire 
sparks drift into the aether while sipping the nectar of the garden 
gods.  For further information, please visit our web site:

http://www.wbcci-denco.org/2005vacrally/info.html

To see the unmitigated joy of last years Aluminum Alumni, click here:

http://www.wbcci-denco.org/2004vacrallyreport/2004RM-VAC2.html

We hope to see you this Summer.

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:32:10 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 2005 VAC Rocky Mountain Rally

Hey Fred - neato pictures!! Looks like everyone was having a good time 
too. And thanks for the invitation.
Jo Ann

On Jan 2005, at 10:13 PM, Fred Coldwell wrote:

> Region 11 members of the Vintage Airstream Club are pleased to announce
> the 5th Annual Rocky Mountain Rally will be held from Friday, August 
> 5th
> to Wednesday morning, August 10, 2005, at the Garden of the Gods
> Campground in Colorado Springs, CO.,   Please join us in this
> Alumibration where well swap tales short and tall, view trailers short
> and long, and celebrate into nights cool and long, watching campfire
> sparks drift into the aether while sipping the nectar of the garden
> gods.  For further information, please visit our web site:

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:06:19 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Window Operator Solution

Hello All,
I thought that I would share my success story with the group! I have 4
very worn window operators on my 59 that I had to replace. I whet to a
well known vintage RV part supplier and asked if they had a solution for
my problem and $75 later and shipping I had 4 operators that might not
work or would have taken some real fabrication to get them to work. BTW
these came without the nylon rollers that fit in the track on the window
and did not come with handles. They were also very light compared to the
heavy nature of the windows and the original equipment. After pondering
this situation for about a month I decided to brave the cold and hit the
hardware stores ( my kids will tell you that is not much of a sacrifice
on my part!) to see what I could find.
 
I found what I needed at both Menards (wrong colors) and Home Depot, I
violated my vow to not shop at this place, and picked up 4 Casement
Window Operators in gray. The arm length and mounting holes are exactly
the same as the OME operator. I did have to move the track on the window
down a little so the window would close. This involve drilling two new
holes and reinstalling the original screws. The best part of this is the
cost, $9.95 each! AND they come with all the pieces! AND no shipping!
They come in right and left handed styles, I needed two of each.
 
So I have 4 new operators ( the ones I did not use) and the 4 old ones
off the 59 for sale if you need them!
 
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler (with windows that open!)

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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:42:33 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 2005 VAC Rocky Mountain Rally

We all had a great time and five days didn't seem like long enough. To much
to see, so many folks to chat with and so many trailers to inspect. If I
know the promoters of this event, it promises to be even better. Get your
registration in early.

Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT 

on 1/8/05 11:32 PM, Joann Wheatley at jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu wrote:

> Hey Fred - neato pictures!! Looks like everyone was having a good time
> too. And thanks for the invitation.
> Jo Ann
> 
> On Jan 2005, at 10:13 PM, Fred Coldwell wrote:
> 
>> Region 11 members of the Vintage Airstream Club are pleased to announce
>> the 5th Annual Rocky Mountain Rally will be held from Friday, August
>> 5th
>> to Wednesday morning, August 10, 2005, at the Garden of the Gods
>> Campground in Colorado Springs, CO.,   Please join us in this
>> Alumibration where well swap tales short and tall, view trailers short
>> and long, and celebrate into nights cool and long, watching campfire
>> sparks drift into the aether while sipping the nectar of the garden
>> gods.  For further information, please visit our web site:
> 
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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:55:39 -0800
From: Susan Altstatt <dsa@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #122

VAL Digest wrote:
> VAL Digest           Sunday, January 9 2005           Volume 02 : Number 122
> 
> 
> 
> 

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:16:25 -0800
> From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
> Subject: [VAL] Vintage Rally
> 
> You may have noticed that there is a Vintage Rally planned for this June 
> in Grants Pass Oregon.  We plan on attending.  You may not know that the 
> Northern California Unit of WBCCI (http://wbcci12.org/norcal/index.html) 
> (no info on the rally yet) has a rally at the Sacramento Jazz Festival 
> (http://www.sacjazz.com/) over Memorial Day Weekend, we plan on 
> attending this also.  We will leave Orange, CA on Friday, May 27 to 
> attend the Jazz Rally on Saturday, Sunday and Monday and then leave 
> either Monday or Tuesday to travel to Grants Pass, OR and be at the 
> Vintage Rally by Thursday, June 2.  We will then leave the Vintage Rally 
> on Sunday, June 5 in order to be back at work on Tuesday, June 7 (bah, 
> humbug). We are looking for traveling companions on any leg of this trip 
> and we are also looking for suggestions on routes from Sacramento to 
> Grants Pass.  I originally thought about going through Lava Beds 
> National Monument in No. Cal. but there is no camping there, we may go 
> through Lassen Volcanic National Park and stay one night if it is open 
> by the first of June (lots of snow this winter, who knows about opening 
> dates yet).
> 
> Please let us know, on or off list, if you have any interest or suggestions.
> 
> Bill & Beth Kerfoot
> WBCCI/VAC #5223
> 1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
> 1977 Lincoln Continental
> 1979 23' Airstream Safari
> Orange, CA
> 
  We have camped in and around the Lava Beds Nat Monument many times. There
is a campground inside the monument, but I don't recall whether trailers are
allowed. There are many oher places to dry camp in the area, Medicine Lake
campground, for instance. You can camp anywhere in the National Forest that
isn't posted prohibiting it. Organized Forest campgrounds are shown on the
National Forest maps. Contact me off list for more info.

- -- 
Susan Altstatt
www.altstatt.com
dsa@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:05:43 EST
From: Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #122

Chris K .......thanks so much for sharing ....about who did the work on your 
79'   Yes having a partner that share interest is vital ....Wish you both the 
very best .....and look foward to seeing more photo's ...our email is  
INDY116@xxxxxxxxxx.com       if that would make things easier for you guys ....take care and 
have super weekend ...it's been pouring here in Southern Ca.  for about I 
think 2 weeks now ....oh well Mother Nature does what she needs to do .....after 
we mess things up so much 

Mary & INDIANA 

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:39:06 -0500
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Window Operator Solution

ED
If you have a mobile home supply shop close by, they sometimes have those
cranks you were looking for.

Bobby

  I have 4 very worn window operators on my 59 that I had to replace. I whet
to a
  well known vintage RV part supplier and asked if they had a solution for
  my problem and $75 later and shipping I had 4 operators that might not
  work or would have taken some real fabrication to get them to work.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:42:14 -0500
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Is: River Shaver for loan

Never heard of trying that, but I know using chalk on a file helps.

Bobby


  I had a fellow tell me to spray Pam on the wheel before grinding
  aluminum to keep the wheel from caking up with shavings.
  Dick Harrold
  Noblesville, IN USA

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:48:06 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S

    Hello all.
I know someone before has said they found replacement shocks from an auto
parts store. After 4 stores and three hours with no success in finding any to
match, I called someone else and he said they are only available thru
Airstream dealers.
If someone knows a good P/N that I can use at NAPA or some other place then
please let me know.

Thanks
Bobby

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:06:15 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] [VAC] A compendium of shock posts from the past two years

That I sent in 2002.

>Opinions do vary. And the shock applications do vary.
>
>Gerald J.
>
>=========================
>
>Subject: 
>                    Re: [VAC] Shocks?
>       Date: 
>                    Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
>        From: 
>                    M M <alumtrailer@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Reply-To: 
>                    vintage@xxxxxxxxxx.airstream.net
>             To: 
>                    vintage@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
>
>--- Jim Stewart <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
>> My '61 Bambi sits up in the front when hooked up
>> even though the ball
>> height is less than the called for 16 1/2". Could
>> this be weak shocks?
>> If so does anyone know what type of shocks would
>> work on it?  Also what
>> are the consequences of running a trailer with old
>> shocks? More sway?
>> Thanks
>> '61 Bambi
>> 
> I have the same problem with my Bambi. The really
>crusty shocks I took out of my 62 Bambi were Delco
>3166784. The shocks I put in were NAPA Regal Ride gas
>charged 20718.  The trailer rides maybe 1  1/2 inches
>higher ( that is the gas charge).  On the street side
>the cantilever type stud mounts had 7/8" nuts.   The
>curb side had the regular 5/8" nuts. I replaced the
>nuts with stainless steel lock nuts so the next guy
>has an easy go with it.  I hope to remove the radial
>tires soon and replace them with the original 6.00 x13
>bias ply  to gain another inch or so of height.
>
>Subject: 
>                    [VAC] Re: Shocks
>       Date: 
>                    Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:27:33 -0800
>        From: 
>                    RJ & Krista <radiodial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Reply-To: 
>                    VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>             To: 
>                    Multiple recipients of VACList
><VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
>
>After much searching by the local dealer, we found that NAPA p/n 94005
>(Monroe) shocks fit our '65 Caravel.  They came without the upper metal
>bushing insert, so they fit perfectly.  Sure made a difference in th
>towing & bounce.
>
>RJ
>'65 Caravel
>
>Subject: 
>                    [VAC] Re: CHARLES DOSWELL
>                    SHOCKS?????????????????
>       Date: 
>                    Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:38 -0600
>        From: 
>                    "Harvey Barlow" <harveybarlow@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Reply-To: 
>                    VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>             To: 
>                    Multiple recipients of VACList
><VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
>
>Charles,
> 
>I have two suggestions.
> 
>One, go to your nearest Airstream dealer and surrender the deed to your
>home
>or..........
> 
>Two, go to your nearest NAPA auto parts dealer and ask for a pair of new
>NAPA gas
>deluxe shocks, part 
>number 94005 at about $18 per. 
> 
>If you don't have NAPA dealers in your area, just go to your local auto
>parts store and
>ask for a pair of front shocks for a mid to late '60s - early '70s Chevy
>1/2 ton pickup.  
> 
>This is all based on the assumption that Caravels had shocks similar to
>my '66 Safari 22'
>trailer.  I'll bet they are the same.
> 
>Harvey
>
>Subject: 
>                    [VAC] Airstream Shocks
>       Date: 
>                    Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:51:33 -0800
>        From: 
>                    Webmaster <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Reply-To: 
>                    VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>             To: 
>                    Multiple recipients of VACList
><VACList@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
>
>There seems to have been a lot of confusion this last week on shocks.  I
>got
>quite a few offline e-mails from people going "huh"?
>
>I checked into the matter for clarification from a few reliable
>resources.
>
>Through the '40's, '50's & '60's Airstream used conventional auto/truck
>shocks on its vintage single axle trailers, both leaf spring &
>Dura-Torque.
>
>With the big body style change in 1969, Airstream changed to a
>horizontal
>mounted (trailing arm) shock absorber configuration.  I have also seen
>it
>on
>some later '60's dual axles.
>
>Attached is picture of what it looks like.  Digest viewers can see it
>at:
>http://vintageairstream.com/ebay/shock.jpg
>
>What makes the new shock special is:
>"The shock used in the horizontal mount is a specialty shock built for
>Airstream by Gabriel. The difference is a bladder is used to hold the
>oil on
>the piston. The typical design of shocks would allow the oil to pool
>away
>from the piston leading to premature failure." (thanks Charlie)
>
>This shock is the one you need to get from Airstream dealers.  While a
>conventional shock can be made to fit, you can see it may eventually
>fail.
>
>All this concurs with my experience, and I will add this info to the FAQ
>section of the VAC website.
>
>Later,



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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:06:37 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Screens

Hello All,
As I have completed my installation of the window operators I thought I
would reinstall the screens. The nose and rear windows have screen
holders attached but the side windows do not. There is no evidence
(holes in the frame or inside skin) that would indicate that there were
any type of screen holders originally. So the question is how did the
screen stay in place? Anyone out there with a 59 with a set up like this
that can provide the answer to my newest restoration mystery? 
Thanks
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler

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Date: Sun,  9 Jan 2005 21:05:17 -0700
From: johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Screens

Hmmm - on my 59 Traveler all the screens had sceen holders - those little metal
twisty things that hold the screen on

Ken

Quoting eemerick <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>:

> Hello All,
> As I have completed my installation of the window operators I thought I
> would reinstall the screens. The nose and rear windows have screen
> holders attached but the side windows do not. There is no evidence
> (holes in the frame or inside skin) that would indicate that there were
> any type of screen holders originally. So the question is how did the
> screen stay in place? Anyone out there with a 59 with a set up like this
> that can provide the answer to my newest restoration mystery?
> Thanks
> Ed
> WBCCI/VAC 4425
> 68 Sovereign
> 59 Traveler
>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:13:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Uwe Salwender <salwender@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S

I think it might be best to get them form an Airstream
parts supplier. InlandRV in Corona has them at a fair
price.
The problem is that most shocks are designed to work
in a vertical installation setup. The Airstream shocks
are designed to work horizontal.
you might find a physically correct set of shocks,
that is a waste of money due to the lack of
functionality when mounted horizontally.
Still, though, if you do find out more about this, let
us know....
Sincerely,
Uwe Salwender
Orange CA


- --- gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:

>     Hello all.
> I know someone before has said they found
> replacement shocks from an auto
> parts store. After 4 stores and three hours with no
> success in finding any to
> match, I called someone else and he said they are
> only available thru
> Airstream dealers.
> If someone knows a good P/N that I can use at NAPA
> or some other place then
> please let me know.
> 
> Thanks
> Bobby
> 
>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:31:09 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S

Some vintage Airstreams use nearly horizontal shocks, some use more vertical 
shocks. The near vertical shocks seem to be most easily replaced by the 
shortest available shocks with loops on both ends. Those were the standard 
shocks for fronts of GM products for a couple decades including 70s vintage 
pickups and some performance cars of that same time period also.

NAPA/Gabriel 94005 fits that description.

Gerald J.

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Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:41:16 -0600
From: "Buddy" <buddat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Shocks for 1973 A/S

I bought mine from Billy Simms Trailer Town in Lubbock, Texas. They work 
Perfectly.
www.trailertown.com

806-745-8791

Buddy Atwood 

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