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Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
RE: [VAL] Window Operators
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Snowbird headed from Wisconsin to AZ
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
[VAL] Dr G re:weather program
[VAL] Re: A/S Plant
[VAL] those berets ;)
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Dr G re:weather program
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
[VAL] Re: weather program
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Re: weather program
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Re: [VAL] Snowbird headed from Wisconsin to AZ
[VAL] Re: weather program
Re: [VAL] Dr G re:weather program
[VAL] Dogs
Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
RE: [VAL] Dogs
Re: [VAL] Dogs
Re: [VAL] Airstream documentary
[VAL] Arizona Travel
Re: [VAL] Arizona Travel
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #115
Re: [VAL] Dogs
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #115
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:02:36 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Great post, John. You have loads of company that feel as you do!
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
From: "John Sellers" <sellersj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
> Gang,
>
> I would like to add my two cents worth to the last few days'
> free-floating discussion--and sometimes complaining--about Airstream's
> marketing philosophy, WBCCI, and VAC. I haven't addressed this as a
> reply to any specific posts since it will touch on several.
>
> AIRSTREAM
>
> All I know about Airstream is from personal contact with them during
> service visits, plant tours, and last year's Homecoming Rally. (They
> are only about 60 miles up the road from us.) My conclusion from these
> experiences is that Airstream is a company whose customer relations are
> so good as be practically unbelievable.
>
> When I called the factory service department to see if they would be
> willing to replace the aging Dura-Torque axle on our 1960 Pacer they
> said, "Sure. Bring it up and we'll take a look at it." When we got
> there the service writer took a look under the trailer and said, "No
> problem", and wrote an estimate for the cost of a new axle, a pair of
> new shocks, and only four hours labor. We had to leave the trailer for
> a few weeks (this was in January, 2004) since Henschen had to make a new
> axle to dimensions, but Airstream did the job without batting an
> eyelash, and did it for the estimated price.
>
> I had the distinct impression that Airstream does not distinguish
> between vintage Airstreams and others. If Airstream made it, they'll
> fix it, to the best of their ability. When we dropped off the '60 Pacer
> to have the axle replaced, we took the factory tour. I mentioned to the
> tour guide that we had a 1960 model and when we walked from the service
> department over to the factory, he cheerfully pointed out a 1953 trailer
> that was in for an upgrade of all the systems. One young couple with us
> on that tour was there to see their trailer being built. I'm sure they
> received the impression that they were making a long term investment.
> Offhand, I can't think of any other manufacturer that routinely repairs
> vehicles that they manufactured half a century ago.
>
> I was surprised to hear Patti Raimondo's story of being told that the
> factory couldn't fix her Pearl, resulting in her breaking down in the
> service manager's office. Maybe Patti's tears single-handedly changed
> Airstream's policy toward working on the older units. If so, we all owe
> you a great debt of gratitude, Patti. Wouldn't be the first time a good
> cry has changed history, I guess. . . I suspect that Pearl was the
> trailer that the tour guide pointed out to us.
>
> Last year's Airstream Homecoming Rally was great, and we plan to be
> there again this year. I wouldn't want anyone to get the idea that
> WBCCI was given short shrift. As Scott Scheuermann pointed out, the
> first row looked like it had been reserved for high level WBCCI
> officers. Dick Riegel chaired brief after-lunch and after-dinner
> presentations in the main tent, and WBCCI officers were recognized, and
> several spoke. If there was any rift between Airstream, Inc. and WBCCI,
> it wasn't evident at the Homecoming Rally. (From my WBCCI directory,
> Dick and Amanda Riegel are WBCCI #42, by the way.)
>
> I was surprised to learn that the Homecoming Rally is not a new thing.
> Airstream held them until around 1980 when they stopped for one reason
> or another. They would like to re-institute the tradition. They run it
> as a very public-spirited thing, spreading the catering among all the
> caterers and restaurants in the area, and giving Airstream employees and
> Jackson Center residents a chance to meet Airstream's customers. And
> conversely, to give us Airstream owners a chance to meet the people who
> build the Airstreams. The expression "one big, happy family" is
> trite--and seldom true--but it's a pretty good description of the
> Homecoming Rally.
>
> Airstream president Dick Riegel was circulating around the rally most of
> the time, available for conversation with anyone who wanted to talk with
> him. Early one morning he was driving around the campground in a John
> Deere Gator, serving coffee to all comers out of urns in the back.
> Where else are you going to get that kind of customer service?!
>
> WBCCI and VAC
>
> I was surprised to hear the statement that WBCCI is "perceived as a
> bunch of ex-military guys", but I guess it shouldn't come as a
> surprise. It's a matter of simple demographics. Folks born after about
> 1960 may not be aware that those of us males who were born earlier faced
> something called "universal military service", more commonly called The
> Draft. So, given WBCCI's age distribution, we *are* a bunch of
> "ex-military guys".
>
> But I doubt that's the source of the "perception". That would be the
> WBCCI's traditional pomp and ceremony at rallies, including reciting of
> the Pledge of Allegiance, singing the national anthems of countries
> officially represented, and trooping the colors. But these aren't
> military ceremonies-these were things folks born pre-1960 grew up with
> in grade school, back before the ACLU saved us from these practices.
> (I don't get very excited one way or the other about the phrase
> "under God"in the Pledge of Allegiance, because I remember when it
> was added. It was somewhat controversial at the time.)
>
> I hope traditions like the opening ceremonies won't discourage anyone
> from attending and enjoying WBCCI rallies. Attendance isn't mandatory
> at *anything* at a WBCCI rally (with the possible exception of Happy
> Hour). Me, I usually attend the opening ceremonies for the sake of
> nostalgia, if nothing else.
>
> Much has been made in this thread of divisive comments by various
> personages of Airstream, WBCCI, and VAC. My strategy is to pay more
> attention to what people *do* than what they *say*. Everybody says
> things now and then that they later wish they hadn't, and now and then
> egos assert themselves when they probably shouldn't. You have to keep
> the big picture in mind. In the final analysis, we are all travelers on
> the road to that unknown city. The thing for us to do is enjoy the
> adventure, and the company of our fellow travelers.
>
> See you down the road,
>
> John and Barb Sellers
> WBCCI/VAC #1587
> 1960 Pacer
> Dayton, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:14:43 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Praise the Lord and pass the snacks! John, thank you for a
wise and intelligent view of a landscape that gets us a
little over excited sometimes.
We should probably print your thoughts out and reread them
when we lose sight of the point of our trailers/MHs: To go
see stuff and meet new folks, to revisit favorite places and
catch up with old friends, and best of all, to chose where
when and how. And of course to get together with folks who
are happy to talk trailers.
Happy New Year everybody !
Daisy
John Sellers wrote:
> Gang,
>
> I would like to add my two cents worth to the last few days'
> free-floating discussion--and sometimes complaining--about Airstream's
> marketing philosophy, WBCCI, and VAC. I haven't addressed this as a
> reply to any specific posts since it will touch on several.
>
> AIRSTREAM
>
> All I know about Airstream is from personal contact with them during
> service visits, plant tours, and last year's Homecoming Rally. (They
> are only about 60 miles up the road from us.) My conclusion from these
> experiences is that Airstream is a company whose customer relations are
> so good as be practically unbelievable.
>
> When I called the factory service department to see if they would be
> willing to replace the aging Dura-Torque axle on our 1960 Pacer they
> said, "Sure. Bring it up and we'll take a look at it." When we got
> there the service writer took a look under the trailer and said, "No
> problem", and wrote an estimate for the cost of a new axle, a pair of
> new shocks, and only four hours labor. We had to leave the trailer for
> a few weeks (this was in January, 2004) since Henschen had to make a new
> axle to dimensions, but Airstream did the job without batting an
> eyelash, and did it for the estimated price.
>
> I had the distinct impression that Airstream does not distinguish
> between vintage Airstreams and others. If Airstream made it, they'll
> fix it, to the best of their ability. When we dropped off the '60 Pacer
> to have the axle replaced, we took the factory tour. I mentioned to the
> tour guide that we had a 1960 model and when we walked from the service
> department over to the factory, he cheerfully pointed out a 1953 trailer
> that was in for an upgrade of all the systems. One young couple with us
> on that tour was there to see their trailer being built. I'm sure they
> received the impression that they were making a long term investment.
> Offhand, I can't think of any other manufacturer that routinely repairs
> vehicles that they manufactured half a century ago.
>
> I was surprised to hear Patti Raimondo's story of being told that the
> factory couldn't fix her Pearl, resulting in her breaking down in the
> service manager's office. Maybe Patti's tears single-handedly changed
> Airstream's policy toward working on the older units. If so, we all owe
> you a great debt of gratitude, Patti. Wouldn't be the first time a good
> cry has changed history, I guess. . . I suspect that Pearl was the
> trailer that the tour guide pointed out to us.
>
> Last year's Airstream Homecoming Rally was great, and we plan to be
> there again this year. I wouldn't want anyone to get the idea that
> WBCCI was given short shrift. As Scott Scheuermann pointed out, the
> first row looked like it had been reserved for high level WBCCI
> officers. Dick Riegel chaired brief after-lunch and after-dinner
> presentations in the main tent, and WBCCI officers were recognized, and
> several spoke. If there was any rift between Airstream, Inc. and WBCCI,
> it wasn't evident at the Homecoming Rally. (From my WBCCI directory,
> Dick and Amanda Riegel are WBCCI #42, by the way.)
>
> I was surprised to learn that the Homecoming Rally is not a new thing.
> Airstream held them until around 1980 when they stopped for one reason
> or another. They would like to re-institute the tradition. They run it
> as a very public-spirited thing, spreading the catering among all the
> caterers and restaurants in the area, and giving Airstream employees and
> Jackson Center residents a chance to meet Airstream's customers. And
> conversely, to give us Airstream owners a chance to meet the people who
> build the Airstreams. The expression "one big, happy family" is
> trite--and seldom true--but it's a pretty good description of the
> Homecoming Rally.
>
> Airstream president Dick Riegel was circulating around the rally most of
> the time, available for conversation with anyone who wanted to talk with
> him. Early one morning he was driving around the campground in a John
> Deere Gator, serving coffee to all comers out of urns in the back.
> Where else are you going to get that kind of customer service?!
>
> WBCCI and VAC
>
> I was surprised to hear the statement that WBCCI is "perceived as a
> bunch of ex-military guys", but I guess it shouldn't come as a
> surprise. It's a matter of simple demographics. Folks born after about
> 1960 may not be aware that those of us males who were born earlier faced
> something called "universal military service", more commonly called The
> Draft. So, given WBCCI's age distribution, we *are* a bunch of
> "ex-military guys".
>
> But I doubt that's the source of the "perception". That would be the
> WBCCI's traditional pomp and ceremony at rallies, including reciting of
> the Pledge of Allegiance, singing the national anthems of countries
> officially represented, and trooping the colors. But these aren't
> military ceremonies-these were things folks born pre-1960 grew up with
> in grade school, back before the ACLU saved us from these practices.
> (I don't get very excited one way or the other about the phrase
> "under God"in the Pledge of Allegiance, because I remember when it
> was added. It was somewhat controversial at the time.)
>
> I hope traditions like the opening ceremonies won't discourage anyone
> from attending and enjoying WBCCI rallies. Attendance isn't mandatory
> at *anything* at a WBCCI rally (with the possible exception of Happy
> Hour). Me, I usually attend the opening ceremonies for the sake of
> nostalgia, if nothing else.
>
> Much has been made in this thread of divisive comments by various
> personages of Airstream, WBCCI, and VAC. My strategy is to pay more
> attention to what people *do* than what they *say*. Everybody says
> things now and then that they later wish they hadn't, and now and then
> egos assert themselves when they probably shouldn't. You have to keep
> the big picture in mind. In the final analysis, we are all travelers on
> the road to that unknown city. The thing for us to do is enjoy the
> adventure, and the company of our fellow travelers.
>
> See you down the road,
>
> John and Barb Sellers
> WBCCI/VAC #1587
> 1960 Pacer
> Dayton, Ohio
>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:05:21 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
In a message dated 1/2/2005 12:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sellersj@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> Last year's Airstream Homecoming Rally was great, and we plan to be
> there again this year. I wouldn't want anyone to get the idea that
> WBCCI was given short shrift. As Scott Scheuermann pointed out, the
> first row looked like it had been reserved for high level WBCCI
> officers.
Hi John and Barb,
What a nice post. You and I had the same impressions about the Homecoming
rally at the factory.
One thing, I do believe the front row was populated with the people who got
there first. I say that because some friends of mine were parked there and they
simply arrived early.
I also found Dicky to be very interested in what customers have to say.
I wandered into the Airstream sales place at the International and he was
standing behind the bar. We chatted for a minute since I had met him at the
Homecoming. I told him that I've designed the *perfect* Airstream. He asked me a
little about it, but then said to wait a minute.... he found his design guy
and the three of us, and my two Border Collies climbed into the Gator and we
went way over to where my trailer was.
They came inside and I showed them the design. They were very interested, or
at least put on a good show, then he asked me to put it all down in drawings
and mail it to him. I did.... now I'm waiting for the HLH to replace the CCD.
<g>
It was so nice at the Homecoming to see the employees enjoying themselves
with us. I had a hinky little problem with my step and saw one retired employee
helping an owner with something so I sidled over to whine about my step. Next
thing I know this guy was under my trailer cutting a hole in it, fixing the
the step, and riviting a perfect patch over the hole. He didn't even want
money, but I convinced him to take some.
I have issues with some of the WBCCI actions, for example separating the dog
owners into a separate section at the International.....
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:21:14 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Window Operators
Thanks Toby, now I get it! The 59 has the heavy duty "L" shaped kind on
one side of the window only. The replacements I have are much lighter in
construction and just might work after I worked with them some
yesterday. The mounting holes don't match up but the arms are the same
length. My main concern is will they be strong enough to open, hold open
and close the window year after year?
Thanks Again
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
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Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [VAL] Window Operators
On my 1960 I've got window cranks that are more in the
shape of a "W" (batman type) whereas I've seen cranks
that are more of an "S" or "L" shape (handle type)
the batman style are cool looking, but it takes a
while to open the window.
Toby
- --- eemerick <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
> OK, I give what's the difference? If I had to guess
> they are the
> handle-type.
> Thanks
> Ed
>
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> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 7:50 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Window Operators
>
>
> are you looking for the "batman" style operators, or
> the handle-type window cranks?
>
> Toby
>
> --- eemerick <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I am looking for a resource for 4 new window
> > operators for my 59. The
> > ones on it now are worn and slip when opening the
> > window. I picked up
> > four from a parts supplier ( to remain unnamed)
> that
> > they claimed would
> > work but they are way too small and what I can
> find
> > at other RV dealers
> > are too small as well. These are what I would call
> > heavy duty in nature.
> > If any of you out there with a 59 that you
> replaced
> > the window operators
> > on found replacements please drop me a line. Also
> if
> > you are looking for
> > 4 new, but too small for my 59 window operators I
> > have 4 for sale!
> > Thanks
> > Ed
> > WBCCI/VAC 4425
> > 68 Sovereign
> > 59 Traveler
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:35:09 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sellers" <sellersj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: "VA List" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
> Gang,
> (snip)
> WBCCI and VAC
>
> I was surprised to hear the statement that WBCCI is "perceived as a
> bunch of ex-military guys", but I guess it shouldn't come as a
> surprise. It's a matter of simple demographics. Folks born after about
> 1960 may not be aware that those of us males who were born earlier faced
> something called "universal military service", more commonly called The
> Draft. So, given WBCCI's age distribution, we *are* a bunch of
> "ex-military guys".
>
> But I doubt that's the source of the "perception". That would be the
> WBCCI's traditional pomp and ceremony at rallies, including reciting of
> the Pledge of Allegiance, singing the national anthems of countries
> officially represented, and trooping the colors. But these aren't
> military ceremonies-these were things folks born pre-1960 grew up with
> in grade school, back before the ACLU saved us from these practices.
(snip again)
Nice post, John. Another source of this is that many of the older members
belonged fraternal or service organizations such as the Elks, Shriners,
Masons, Eagles, Rotarians, etc., and brought the ceremonial things with them
to the WBCCI.That's just the way things were done in their day.
Roger
Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:08:01 -0700
From: "JP Polly" <jppolly@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
I am grateful for the explanation of where the ceremonial part of WBCCI meetings
came from. It will make me more tolerant of this part of WBCCI in the future.
It has always been a problem for me to watch grown men (and women) going through
this (to me) peculiar ritual that reminded me of my Girl Scout days. At 10 years
of age, it had its place but at 70, I find it tedious. And the beret - Wally's
was soft and fit well, the modern ones are just too stiff and don't form to the
head, just sit on top, looking silly on most of the wearers.
Happy trails, you all, hope to see you down the road somewhere this year.
Polly in CO
WBCCI 7113
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:21:21 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Snowbird headed from Wisconsin to AZ
I like having a weather radio available in the truck cab. The range of the
stations is ordinarily just under 100 miles of road and give short term reports
and forecasts, and sometimes road reports. Some areas are bad about not
replacing storm reports for hours after the storms have passed though.
Each state gives road reports on the internet, but each has a unique format.
For local and national weather radar and model based forecasts take a
look at the products at Freese-Notis Weather (www.weather.net), the place
that pays me fees to use my software making those internet displays.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:27:48 -0700
From: "Forrest Mcclure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
John,
Indeed, what a nice post. It is great to hear your "two cents worth." Living
60 miles from the factory must give you a totally different, and to me a
welcome, perspective. But keep in mind that some of the "complaining" might
be just as legitimate. Our only contact with Airstream has been with "local"
dealerships, and between Albuquerque, New Mexico and Missoula, Montana there
is one, and only one dealership (located in Denver), for the front range of
the Rocky Mountains. There are no authorized Airstream dealerships in
Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, or Wyoming. Our Unit's
relationship with our one Airstream dealership has improved, but there is no
comparing it to the service you received at the factory. Like you, I also
"pay more attention to what people *do* than what they *say*."
For instance, I too needed a new axle for my Globe Trotter, but when I
contacted the dealership I was not even able to get a price quote. They did
not return my calls. Their "Airstream factory trained expert" did not even
know what the characteristics of a worn out Henchen axle were. I had to
explain it to him. He was less than enthusiastic about replacing my axle,
and never got back to me. Just as well, I don't want anyone who knows less
about Airstreams than I do -- and I claim no expertise -- working on my
unit. I ended up replacing the axle on my own in my driveway.
Members of our Unit with new Airstreams, still under warranty, but using the
Hensley hitch are required by this same dealership to leave their tow
vehicle with their trailer while it is being serviced. The dealership will
not provide service otherwise because they are unwilling to work with that
particular hitch. At the same time they will not permit the owner to stay on
the property overnight in their trailer. Things like this are not just
little inconviences, and as a result these members actually find it is more
convenient to have their Airstreams serviced at Oasis RV, in Phoenix,
Arizona, because that dealership will accomodate them.
I am delighted that the Homecoming event and the factory service has been
such a positive experience for you. It gives the rest of us hope! But don't
get too down on us out here in the barren waste lands, more than one
thousand miles from the factory, because of our less than satisfactory
customer experiences with the "one big, happy" Airstream family.
Forrest
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:36:24 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] Dr G re:weather program
Dr G,
Do you have any idea how this software would work with Windows XP? I have
Win 2000 Pro on my desktop computer but am required to run Win XP on my
laptop (required by HP, that is since it's an HP laptop machine).
Thanks.
Tom
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Snowbird headed from Wisconsin to AZ
>I like having a weather radio available in the truck cab. The range of the
> stations is ordinarily just under 100 miles of road and give short term
> reports
> and forecasts, and sometimes road reports. Some areas are bad about not
> replacing storm reports for hours after the storms have passed though.
>
> Each state gives road reports on the internet, but each has a unique
> format.
>
> For local and national weather radar and model based forecasts take a
> look at the products at Freese-Notis Weather (www.weather.net), the place
> that pays me fees to use my software making those internet displays.
>
> Gerald J.
>
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:37:35 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: A/S Plant
Hi John,
If you were at the plant last Jan. then it was Pearl you saw in the
bay! Several folks on this list saw her at some point as she was at the
plant from Aug. to April, 04.
All this talk about the Homecoming is making me re-think my options in
attending. It's a 12hr. drive from Long Island and I'm still in school
when it's held but if I take a personal day maybe I can high-tail it
over there.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Patti
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:40:01 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] those berets ;)
Polly,
I was guessing that most beret wearers had the berets standing proud so that
the wearers didn't end up with "hat head" looking hair! ;))) Nothing worse
than big hair gone bad. ;))
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "JP Polly" <jppolly@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
. And the beret - Wally's was soft and fit well, the modern ones are just
too stiff and don't form to the head, just sit on top, looking silly on most
of the wearers.
> Happy trails, you all, hope to see you down the road somewhere this year.
> Polly in CO
> WBCCI 7113
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:45:27 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
"convenient to have their Airstreams serviced at Oasis RV, in Phoenix,
Arizona, because that dealership will accommodate them."
Oasis is in Tucson...we don't have a good Airstream service center in the
Phoenix area.
Roger
Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:46:41 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dr G re:weather program
Interad runs on XP. Takes a little fiddling but the necessary fiddles are
included on the CD-ROM. I was looking at rewriting it for XP starting from
scratch because the source code has been lost, but I was saved by FNW
customers who worked out the needs of XP. Its not a program that I wrote
which makes that project more difficult.
Many FNW products are password protected web pages that need nothing
more than a good browser to view.
Gerald J.
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------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:01:47 -0700
From: "Forrest Mcclure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Roger,
Hey, I got the state right!:-o
Forrest
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From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
> "convenient to have their Airstreams serviced at Oasis RV, in Phoenix,
> Arizona, because that dealership will accommodate them."
>
> Oasis is in Tucson...we don't have a good Airstream service center in the
> Phoenix area.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
> 1975 31' Sovereign
> 2002 Ford F-250 PSD
>
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:18:24 -0700
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Polly,
Being an Army vet, I've always had a lot of agita about how the WBCCI
berets fit and how some folks wear them, myself. I did get a pair of
the old woolen ones on eBay a while back (with the "Caravanner" patch)
but aside from trying them for size, never out of the box. The seller
thought they were some kind of military cover. If I can find them I'll
get pictures on the gallary.
;^)>
Matt
<snip>
> And the beret - Wally's was soft and fit well, the modern ones are just too
stiff and don't form to the head, just sit on top, looking silly on most of the
wearers.
><snip>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:27:58 +0000
From: Mitch Hill <fmhill@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: [VAL] Re: weather program
Just as a suggestion, I've found one I like called WeatherBug.
www.weatherbug.com
I've had a deep seated interest in weather programs for years working in
oceanography and around the ocean as well as my interest in traveling with
my Airstream Ambassador, and I've settled on a simplistic program called
WeatherBug that is supported by CBS/WBZ TV Boston and from what I gather
most TV Weather stations around the country. Its easy to get the weather
conditions all over the country with this software and I can check to see
what the weather is in Ft. Myers Florida where my 88 year old mother lives
with minimal effort as well as my local weather here on the Cape.
Weatherbug runs in both a free non-subscription mode as well as a
subscription mode that allows more features and as far as I can tell is not
location dependent, plug in a town / state or a zipcode and get the weather
including satellite, RADAR and Maps as well as live cameras in many areas
so you can see conditions. In some areas there is also a traffic map.
WeatherBug uses both NOAA weather stations as well as many school systems
around the country for real time sources and its coverage is very impressive.
I have been quite happy with it in the non-subscription mode although it
has a few imbedded advertisements that are not very intrusive.
Again this is purely a suggestion as to one I have found that I like and
use all the time.
- --
Mitch Hill - K1FH
WBCCI 21960
'64 AS Ambassador International
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:35 -0500
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
I don't think there will ever be a "fix" for the people/dog/Airstream owners
and the non-dog/Airstream owners who don't want to be parked near or with
those of us who travel with animals some or all of the time.
It's been my experience that this holds true not only with Airstream owners
but also with strangers you've never met before in almost any campground.
Fact is, some people don't like all or some animals and others are barely
tolerant of them. The flip side of that coin has the people that love all
animals no matter where they live, at a fixed location or with their owner/s
in an RV.
Some people don't think dogs should be bigger than Cocker Spaniels, others
don't mind HUGE dogs yet others prefer the "tea cup" variety of dogs. Guess
that's what makes the world go round and round.
That's my take on all things doggy. ;)
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: <HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> I have issues with some of the WBCCI actions, for example separating the
> dog
> owners into a separate section at the International.....
>
> Hunter
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:22:30 -0600
From: Dick Harrold <harrold@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
On Jan 1, 2005, at 11:44 PM, John Sellers wrote:
> Gang,
>
> I would like to add my two cents worth to the last few days'
> free-floating discussion--and sometimes complaining--about Airstream's
> marketing philosophy, WBCCI, and VAC. I haven't addressed this as a
> reply to any specific posts since it will touch on several.
>
> AIRSTREAM
>
> All I know about Airstream is from personal contact with them during
> service visits, plant tours, and last year's Homecoming Rally. (They
>
John -
It was good to read your positive post about Airstream, WBCCI and VAC
especially after I had been reading several rather negative posts. I
just bought a '72 Trade Wind but haven't even brought it home yet due
to salt on the highways. I've only been following this list for maybe
a month in an effort to become more familiar with Airstream.
Unfortunately I was beginning to think I wanted no part of any of this
and that possibly I had made a foolish decision.
I've always considered Airstream as the ultimate in travel trailers. I
was fortunate to find one in rather good condition with original
interior and everything working except the air conditioning. After
sweeping it out, it could be taken on a trip as is. Even the tires
appear to be in good condition. It has spent much of its life in
service while being well cared for and under roof during the off
seasons - if there is such a thing as an off season for an Airstream.
The only problem is, my wife isn't interested in traveling in, as she
calls it, a tin can while dragging her house work behind her! She
assumes I'll be using it while attending vintage tractor shows, while
she remains at home! I would like to think we both will use it for
short holiday weekends as well as extended trips we might not otherwise
consider.
I'd like to think that Airstream hasn't forgotten these aging trailers
nor the people who own them. To me this is an important point in my
life. If this becomes a satisfying experience, I may be looking at
replacing this older unit with a new model.
I have restored old cars and still have two that I drive rather than
show. I understand the fascination with preservation and restoration,
but for me, my Airstream is not so much a treasure from the past as it
is a way of traveling the roads of this beautiful country and visiting
with family and friends.
Thanks for reassuring me in my choice of Airstream. I just may give
WBCCI and VAC another chance.
See you down by the barn . . . .
Dick Harrold
Noblesville, IN USA
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:34:26 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Hey John and Barb!!! Very well put and nice to get a positive spin on
the whole thing. Thank you.
Jo Ann Wheatley
On Jan 2005, at 9:44 PM, John Sellers wrote:
> Gang,
>
> I would like to add my two cents worth to the last few days'
> free-floating discussion--
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:45:54 -0700
From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: weather program
Mitch Hill wrote:
> Just as a suggestion, I've found one I like called WeatherBug.
>
> www.weatherbug.com
Is there a Linux version? If not, does anyone know if it will run on
WINE or CrossOver Office?
Rob Davis
'64 GT, #1824
Denver, CO
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:53:53 -0700
From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Roger Hightower wrote:
> Another source of this is that many of the older members belonged
> fraternal or service organizations such as the Elks, Shriners, Masons,
> Eagles, Rotarians, etc., and brought the ceremonial things with them
> to the WBCCI.That's just the way things were done in their day.
Roger, you are retired military and you certainly don't bring any of
that 'HooHaa' with you. You are a great role model, some in the WBCCI
could learn from you how to leave rank and ceremony behind and just
enjoy others at face value, without regard to social status.
Regards,
Rob Davis
'64 GT, #1824
Denver, CO
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:56:30 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Snowbird headed from Wisconsin to AZ
Hi Gerald:
I checked out the weather web-site. Cool, dude. So you're buying
drinks at the next rally, right? Happy New Year You Ol' Genius, You!!
Jo Ann
p.s. my new little Forester car has a weather radio! and the outside
temp is displayed at all times. Love it.
On Jan 2005, at 8:21 AM, Dr. Gerald Johnson wrote:
> I like having a weather radio available in the truck cab. .
>
> For local and national weather radar and model based forecasts take a
> look at the products at Freese-Notis Weather (www.weather.net),
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:40:35 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: weather program
Beware, this may be an unabashed commercial.
The Freese-Notis web page based products need only a web browser that
can handle animated .GIF graphics. No other local software is used, no
Java, no Javascript. I test them with Netscape 3.01G. I've tested them
successfully with Linux web browsers also.
Until last summer, the weatherbug animated radars were supplied by Freese-
Notis Weather. Their cost cutting departure has adversely affected my
income.
Gerald J. K0CQ
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------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:40:43 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dr G re:weather program
Interad runs on XP. Takes a little fiddling but the necessary fiddles are
included on the CD-ROM. I was looking at rewriting it for XP starting from
scratch because the source code has been lost, but I was saved by FNW
customers who worked out the needs of XP. Its not a program that I wrote
which makes that project more difficult.
Many FNW products are password protected web pages that need nothing
more than a good browser to view.
Gerald J.
- --
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Reproduction by permission only.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:40:59 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Dogs
I haven't had a dog since grade school. I don't dislike dogs, most of the
time.
A lot depends on the dogs and that can depend on the mix of dogs in the
neighborhood.
In the close quarters of a campground, dogs that defend their territory
(the campsite or more) from visitors whether fury or clothed can be
annoying to a considerable distance. On the other hand, dogs that
accept all visitors do nothing for the security of that camp spot, but can
be nice neighbors. Its impossible from an administrative viewpoint to KNOW
which way a dog will act. A dog's attitude is often not noticed or not
predicted by their owners. It can change depending on the environment.
I saw a situation in a commercial camp ground a couple years ago where
a small dog leased to a camper was quiet as I passed, and it was
tempting to attempt to scratch behind an ear. But I refrained. That
evening another dog owner with a shy greyhound walked up the road.
Again that greyhound looked like it would have loved an ear scratch, yet
when they approached the camp (to pass on the public road) with the
small dog, that small dog tried to take down the greyhound, restrained only
by its leash, and the barking was ferocious. The greyhound was perfectly
quiet crouching behind its master's leg in fear.
A few more years back, I was camped at a family reunion in a territory
where multiple dogs on the homestead are common. With a near full moon
the hounds bayed at the moon and the hounds at the neighboring place
most of the night, then slept all day. When not used to dogs baying all
night (and the owner was inside a house closed up with air conditioning) I
didn't get much sleep. After that I enlisted the medium sized boys to play
with the dogs all day interrupting their daytime sleeping. The dog's weren't
as amiable the next couple days of the reunion, but I slept well. In the
close quarters of that camp out or at a rally, such late at night barking is
not welcome.
When some of us aren't so spry, a dog can present a severe fall hazard by
tripping or a body block to the back of the knees even when on a leash,
then the dog just wants to play. A fall can easily lead to a broken hip, and
complications from a broken hip can be fatal. My dad lasted 28 days after
he broke his hip in a fall the day after Thanksgiving.
Some of us may not trust dogs. I've concluded that some of the smaller
and toy varieties tend to have constant migraine headaches and so to be
noisy just because of those migraines. Some medium sized dogs are quite
mild mannered, but breeding doesn't always show which are mild, which
are playful (presenting that fall hazard), and which are overly defensive of
their territory. Some large dogs have been bred and trained to be
aggressive defenders of their territory and I've been bitten by some of
them. Others just are friendly teddy bears wanting only an ear scratch,
though they may push hard on the fragile knees. One HAS to know the dog
and the dog has to know you to get along. Strangers often suffer around
dogs, no matter the size.
We could ask the US Post Office carriers about dogs they see every day
though they still rank dog bites high on their list of occupational hazards.
I've been wounded by domesticated cats when I've ignored them too. My
own cat died from too many squashed grasshoppers in the road.
Then think of those of us with allergies. Mine are food allergies, others are
allergic to animal dander or animal fur. The lovingest of pup can't
understand why a person with such an allergy avoids being close to the
pup. The loving and quite pup still can cause an annoying to severe
reaction problem.
Those with allergies, those that need quiet to sleep, those with fragile legs
can rightfully be intolerant of pets when those pets are capable of causing
pain or worse without being aggressive or unruly in their owner's minds.
Gerald J.
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Reproduction by permission only.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:26:54 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream, Inc., WBCCI, and VAC
Thanks, Rob. I don't even own a beret, either.
Roger
Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:06:31 -0500
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Dogs
Hello,
This post is right on the money when dealing with dogs. I have 2 that we
travel with, an English Cocker Spaniel and 110 pounds of Yellow
Lab/Golden Retriever mix (and a cat, I don't talk much about the cat).
The Cocker is a lover of women and will roll over and cry to be petted,
not much to worry about as far as knocking you down. The Lab, well I
have to keep an I on him as he will get between your legs and can knock
you over. I am very careful when older members come up to pet him. So I
have one that can't hurt you and one that could kill you if he sat on
you! As a dog owner I have to be careful of who comes up to the trailer
so they don't get hurt from the over loving they will get from these two
dogs. I am aware of who is around these animals at all times.
The next item I deal with is the Cocker will bark at another dog walking
by and have to work at keeping her quiet. The Lab will only bark if you
come to the door and the cocker goes off. I have never been told that
these two will spend the day barking at a campsite when we are gone but
we take precautions. I close all the drapes and turn the radio on and if
possible the AC, close the place up and they will sleep most of the day.
Outside and attended they seem to be for the most part quiet.
The last item, the clean up! We work hard to make sure we never miss a
deposit and know when they like to do their thing. Its all planning,
having bags, walking them in an area that is not overly occupied and
constantly walking the area covered by the chain. I'm lucky that the lab
most of the time is not a walker and dumper, he likes his home area even
if it is a comp site, the Cocker will go on a leash and again we plan
ahead.
When someone comes up to us and asks to see our trailer I always ask
"Are you allergic to dogs (and the damn cat) and are you afraid of
animals, we have dogs in the trailer". I want them to have the chance to
back away if necessary.
The key is ownership responsibility, take care of the animals, train
them right and know what they are capable of doing before you go down
the road.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign
59 Traveler
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Gerald Johnson
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:41 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Dogs
I haven't had a dog since grade school. I don't dislike dogs, most of
the
time.
A lot depends on the dogs and that can depend on the mix of dogs in the
neighborhood.
In the close quarters of a campground, dogs that defend their territory
(the campsite or more) from visitors whether fury or clothed can be
annoying to a considerable distance. On the other hand, dogs that
accept all visitors do nothing for the security of that camp spot, but
can
be nice neighbors. Its impossible from an administrative viewpoint to
KNOW
which way a dog will act. A dog's attitude is often not noticed or not
predicted by their owners. It can change depending on the environment.
I saw a situation in a commercial camp ground a couple years ago where
a small dog leased to a camper was quiet as I passed, and it was
tempting to attempt to scratch behind an ear. But I refrained. That
evening another dog owner with a shy greyhound walked up the road.
Again that greyhound looked like it would have loved an ear scratch, yet
when they approached the camp (to pass on the public road) with the
small dog, that small dog tried to take down the greyhound, restrained
only
by its leash, and the barking was ferocious. The greyhound was perfectly
quiet crouching behind its master's leg in fear.
A few more years back, I was camped at a family reunion in a territory
where multiple dogs on the homestead are common. With a near full moon
the hounds bayed at the moon and the hounds at the neighboring place
most of the night, then slept all day. When not used to dogs baying all
night (and the owner was inside a house closed up with air conditioning)
I
didn't get much sleep. After that I enlisted the medium sized boys to
play
with the dogs all day interrupting their daytime sleeping. The dog's
weren't
as amiable the next couple days of the reunion, but I slept well. In the
close quarters of that camp out or at a rally, such late at night
barking is
not welcome.
When some of us aren't so spry, a dog can present a severe fall hazard
by
tripping or a body block to the back of the knees even when on a leash,
then the dog just wants to play. A fall can easily lead to a broken hip,
and
complications from a broken hip can be fatal. My dad lasted 28 days
after
he broke his hip in a fall the day after Thanksgiving.
Some of us may not trust dogs. I've concluded that some of the smaller
and toy varieties tend to have constant migraine headaches and so to be
noisy just because of those migraines. Some medium sized dogs are quite
mild mannered, but breeding doesn't always show which are mild, which
are playful (presenting that fall hazard), and which are overly
defensive of
their territory. Some large dogs have been bred and trained to be
aggressive defenders of their territory and I've been bitten by some of
them. Others just are friendly teddy bears wanting only an ear scratch,
though they may push hard on the fragile knees. One HAS to know the dog
and the dog has to know you to get along. Strangers often suffer around
dogs, no matter the size.
We could ask the US Post Office carriers about dogs they see every day
though they still rank dog bites high on their list of occupational
hazards.
I've been wounded by domesticated cats when I've ignored them too. My
own cat died from too many squashed grasshoppers in the road.
Then think of those of us with allergies. Mine are food allergies,
others are
allergic to animal dander or animal fur. The lovingest of pup can't
understand why a person with such an allergy avoids being close to the
pup. The loving and quite pup still can cause an annoying to severe
reaction problem.
Those with allergies, those that need quiet to sleep, those with fragile
legs
can rightfully be intolerant of pets when those pets are capable of
causing
pain or worse without being aggressive or unruly in their owner's minds.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:45:32 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dogs
In a message dated 1/2/2005 3:41:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:
> Those with allergies, those that need quiet to sleep, those with fragile
> legs
> can rightfully be intolerant of pets when those pets are capable of causing
> pain or worse without being aggressive or unruly in their owner's minds.
Which is why instead of having a dog section, they should have a No dogs
section.
Wally Byam had two dogs, I doubt he was discrimnated against because of it.
Hunter
http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy
shit...what a ride!"
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:51:34 EST
From: BRENTJAIMES@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Airstream documentary
Thanks for the information. I'll contact Linda and see what she knows. I
wonder what the copyright issues might be.
Thanks for your help,
Brent Jaimes
Storyville Pictures, LLC
(314) 322-4469
www.storyville-pictures.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:01:45 +0000
From: c-L@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] Arizona Travel
Hi folks, Chuck & Lynn here. we would like to hitch up the rig and take old
route 66 from Victorville in California to Flagstaff, down to Prescott and back to
Monterey, Ca.
I sure someone out has made this trip. we are looking for guidance in when to go
(weather wise) best places to stay and perhaps the best sights to see. We would
like to go in late February.
Does anyone have some insight for us?
Chuck & Lynn
1965 Overlander
1949 Liner
1960 Tradewind Int.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:59:27 -0600
From: "J. Anderson" <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Arizona Travel
Hi Chuck and Lynn, the route from Flagstaff to Prescott via the Oak
Creek canyon is pretty enjoyable, IMHO. We took that route 3 years ago
in early March, and the weather was ideal. Assuming you go through
Sedona, Jerome, Yarnell etc. you will want to make sure your tow vehicle
is in good condition, because it will get a workout. There are a few
tight hairpins and steep grades, particularly at Jerome which is a
former mining town built into a mountain side, now an artist colony of
sorts, but that is a must-see. You will probably want to spend a little
time (and money) in both Sedona and Jerome. Jerome might be a good
overnight stop; we did not stay there but there is a restored historic
building which is a hotel of some repute.
Just this past week I saw there were flash floods in the Oak Creek
Canyon, from Flagstaff to Sedona. I recall several very appealing
campgrounds along that stretch of Oak Creek. The news report said the
creek was 11' above normal, and that "large RV's" were seen floating
downstream! I'm not sure how often that happens there (pretty rare, I
hope), but I would pay attention to the forecast and be alert to such
possibilities.
Don't know if you plan to do much along the way, but Sedona has a lot of
opportunities to get out and climb, hike, offroad if that's your thing,
or just hang in town and spend $$$. Lots of good cuisine of all sorts
in Sedona.
I'm sure other folks will have more to add for this and the other legs
of your planned trip. It sounds like a great route, and I think you
will enjoy it tremendously.
John
WBCCI 4682
c-L@xxxxxxxxxx.net wrote:
>we would like to hitch up the rig and take old route 66 from Victorville in
California to Flagstaff, down to Prescott and back to Monterey, Ca.
>
>I sure someone out has made this trip. we are looking for guidance in when to go
(weather wise) best places to stay and perhaps the best sights to see. We would
like to go in late February.
>
>Does anyone have some insight for us?
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:55:59 -0800
From: Marie Deatherage <omaried@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #115
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to say that we finally got some photos of our 1964
Tradewind land yacht up on Tom Patterson's photo gallery page (and may
I add that he must be a very generous and remarkable person to offer up
all this coordination and assistance for those of us without our own
website...kudos and much thanks to you Tom!)
We are real neophytes in the vintage Airstream world. It all began one
Friday afternoon last April just before 5 p.m. when Ric called me at
work. "How ya doin?" he asked, a little too loudly. "Uh, fine," I
replied cautiously, "just getting ready to come home." "I'm in Oregon
City!" he responded cheerily. "What are you doing in Oregon City?" I
wanted to know.
"I just bought an Airstream!" he chortled. And the rest, they say, is
history. This little silver bullet has taken every single bit of our
time and money over these past few months. But what a labor of love.
Ric did all the structural, mechanical, herkin type work, I did the
decorating. (As my hairdresser said one day, "You do realize Ric has a
mistress now and he's buying her jewelry." I sat in silence for a
moment, then replied, "Yeah, but you know what the really sick thing
is? I'm buying her lingerie!!"
You'll see that we did not go down the authentic restoration path.
Rather than try to make everything like it was in the beginning, we
decided to make it exactly like we want it rather than the way it used
to be. I guess mostly because we wanted it to be a place we want to
spend time (which meant the stove and refrigerator and other appliances
would work as well as possible and the decor would be pleasant to be
around). There was a small swatch of what I assume was the original
fabric and it was just hideously ugly in our opinion... the color
scheme is lime green and hot pink and black, colors that kind of remind
me of the sixties era. We redid the floor in black speckled marmoleum.
We had an upholsterer do the bed and front bench seating, and I made
all the pillows, curtains, etc.
Hope you enjoy the photos... they are at
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/ToasterMoon
Toaster Moon is the name we gave our beloved Airstream (long story),
which inspired my husband to write a song about her that I announced on
the list a while back (http://www.ricseaberg.com/music.html).
Thank you and good night,
Marie Deatherage and Ric Seaberg
Portland, Oregon
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:27:09 -0600
From: "Craig C." <craigcar@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dogs
>Which is why instead of having a dog section, they should have a No dogs
>section.
>
I don't own a dog right now. However, I have had dogs in the past and will
in the future (when the poor guys don't have to be home alone for 11 hours
or more). I recognize that some misguided individuals don't care to be
around dogs, others are allergic or afraid and some just downright dislike
'em. IMHO, as a dog owner it is my responsibility to fit in with non-dog
owners, not visa-versa.
... anybody want to talk about smoking sections :-)
Craig
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:59:15 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #115
Marie,
Thanks for the posting of your lovely Airstream.
I wonder if I could ask you a question that involves taking a single
measurement? I'm about to install an access door in the curbside, aft of
the wheel well in our 1969 Caravel.
I see that you have what appears to be one in almost the same place in
your photo gallery. It's 6 of 22, entitled Shoulda bought a case of gloves.
Can you tell me how far the bottom of the opening is from the floor?
The reason I ask is that I've been given conflicting information on the
placement of it. One thought from an Airstream repair facility is that the
bottom of the opening should be even with the plywood floor (I think not but
what do I know) and the other as told to me by the Tech Reps at Airstream is
that it should be above the floor a bit for reasons probably other than why
yours is that way.
The genuine, vintage, Airstream 12" X 20" access door and frame I'm
installing will be centered horizontally on the aft rib, right at the seam
of the end cap and the curbside panels. They want me to tie the bottom of
the rib to the bottom of the door frame and do the same at the top. Raising
the bottom lip up a bit from the plywood will allow me some working room to
bend and rivet the rib ends to the frame.
So if it's no trouble, could you tell me that measurement?
I've completed the total restoration of our interior too and in
rebuilding that berth frame, came to realize that there's no way to gain
convenient access to a large area of storage under the curbside pullout
berth.
Please let me know if you'd be interested in seeing the finished photos.
Thanks so much for sharing yours with us all,
Glyn Judson
1969 Caravel #508
Santa Monica CA
> From: Marie Deatherage <omaried@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:55:59 -0800
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V2 #115
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I just wanted to say that we finally got some photos of our 1964
> Tradewind land yacht up on Tom Patterson's photo gallery page (and may
> I add that he must be a very generous and remarkable person to offer up
> all this coordination and assistance for those of us without our own
> website...kudos and much thanks to you Tom!)
>
> We are real neophytes in the vintage Airstream world. It all began one
> Friday afternoon last April just before 5 p.m. when Ric called me at
> work. "How ya doin?" he asked, a little too loudly. "Uh, fine," I
> replied cautiously, "just getting ready to come home." "I'm in Oregon
> City!" he responded cheerily. "What are you doing in Oregon City?" I
> wanted to know.
>
> "I just bought an Airstream!" he chortled. And the rest, they say, is
> history. This little silver bullet has taken every single bit of our
> time and money over these past few months. But what a labor of love.
> Ric did all the structural, mechanical, herkin type work, I did the
> decorating. (As my hairdresser said one day, "You do realize Ric has a
> mistress now and he's buying her jewelry." I sat in silence for a
> moment, then replied, "Yeah, but you know what the really sick thing
> is? I'm buying her lingerie!!"
>
> You'll see that we did not go down the authentic restoration path.
> Rather than try to make everything like it was in the beginning, we
> decided to make it exactly like we want it rather than the way it used
> to be. I guess mostly because we wanted it to be a place we want to
> spend time (which meant the stove and refrigerator and other appliances
> would work as well as possible and the decor would be pleasant to be
> around). There was a small swatch of what I assume was the original
> fabric and it was just hideously ugly in our opinion... the color
> scheme is lime green and hot pink and black, colors that kind of remind
> me of the sixties era. We redid the floor in black speckled marmoleum.
> We had an upholsterer do the bed and front bench seating, and I made
> all the pillows, curtains, etc.
>
> Hope you enjoy the photos... they are at
> http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/ToasterMoon
>
> Toaster Moon is the name we gave our beloved Airstream (long story),
> which inspired my husband to write a song about her that I announced on
> the list a while back (http://www.ricseaberg.com/music.html).
>
> Thank you and good night,
> Marie Deatherage and Ric Seaberg
> Portland, Oregon
>
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