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VAL Digest Tuesday, December 21 2004 Volume 02 : Number 103
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Re: [VAL] Applebee's
[VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
RE: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
[VAL] living in your trailer
Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Re: [VAL] Squarestreams
RE: [VAL] living in your trailer
Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
Re: [VAL] Squarestreams
Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:52:49 -0500
From: "Brian Brown" <BBrown3996@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Applebee's
I have done something just like that.. not to worry... it happens.
Brian B
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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:50 PM
Subject: [VAL] Applebee's
> Whomever recieved this email(re:Applebee's), I apologize to the entire
> list. Some how it picked up my entire address book. Very sorry for junking
> up the list, it was just a big mistake, I hope you all can be
> understanding enough to forgive me.
> Again, very sorry.
>
> Chuck
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:52:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Good Morning,
This morning the outside temp was 5 degrees, inside my GT was 55.
I have no water in the kitchen or bath.
I opened all the cabinet doors and sofas, to let heat into the more inaccessable areas.
I thought all water lines were inside and if the heat was on they wouldn't freeze.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Courtney
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:47:52 -0500
From: balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Courtney,
Are you running from the pump/tank or city? If it's city, check the hose
connected to the trailer. If running off the pump, you need to get the heat up.
Or, you can take a hair dryer and start heating up the lines/pump/etc... If all
else fails, hook the trailer up and go south for a day! What year trailer? If
its 1970 or newer, need to get heat in the belly. It could be the connection
for the tank to the pump. 1969 and older most of the pipe is above the floor.
Let us know!
Paul Waddell
66 Overlander, Safari
70 Safari
Quoting Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>:
> Good Morning,
>
> This morning the outside temp was 5 degrees, inside my GT was 55.
>
> I have no water in the kitchen or bath.
>
> I opened all the cabinet doors and sofas, to let heat into the more
> inaccessable areas.
>
> I thought all water lines were inside and if the heat was on they wouldn't
> freeze.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Courtney
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:29:35 -0700
From: "Stan Truitt" <stan.truitt@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
hello courtney
my house has 2" x 6" outside frame construction with modern insulation. at
zero or sub-zero, it is not unusual to have a pipe or two freeze to a point
of blocking water flow. it has however never burst. i believe it is a pipe
that is somehow near an outside wall. my point is that vintage airstreams,
compared to modern homes, have very little insulation. thin aluminum skins
and old fiberglass insulation that becomes compacted over the years allows
for little insulation value from the cold. pipes in the rear hatch area have
no protection at all. in your type of climate, i would always winterize your
trailer and never attempt to keep your water and plumbing systems active in
winter. i'm sure with lots of engineering and work it could be done but
certainly not like the factory supplied it. hopefully you can get it thawed
without damage to any pipes....then WINTERIZE.....
good luck
harry
66 safari
frankstown colorado
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From: "Courtney Gwyn" <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:52 AM
Subject: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
> Good Morning,
>
> This morning the outside temp was 5 degrees, inside my GT was 55.
>
> I have no water in the kitchen or bath.
>
> I opened all the cabinet doors and sofas, to let heat into the more
inaccessable areas.
>
> I thought all water lines were inside and if the heat was on they wouldn't
freeze.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Courtney
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:28:44 -0600
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Were you connected to an outside water faucet? If so, that is what froze
(you always need to leave an inside faucet cracked if you want to have a
chance at NOT freezing the water hose outside). As you have NO water, then
the frozen section has to be in the line either leading from the outside
water source (ie if connected to outside source), or the pipes to/frm the
water pump. The pump itself could be frozen as well. Hopefully when things
thaw, you will have been very lucky and no damage, but be prepared for one
or more leaks. The older A/S were always plumbed with copper and it is
totally intolerant of even minor freezing. Fortunately it can be repaired
or replaced if needed.
David
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On Behalf Of Courtney Gwyn
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:52 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Good Morning,
This morning the outside temp was 5 degrees, inside my GT was 55.
I have no water in the kitchen or bath.
I opened all the cabinet doors and sofas, to let heat into the more
inaccessable areas.
I thought all water lines were inside and if the heat was on they wouldn't
freeze.
Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Courtney
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:52:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Thanks for the replies everyone,
I was not connected to a hose, I only had a bit of water in the inside tank. The Water
heater had some in it too.
It is a 63 Globetrotter. All water lines are inside.
I would like to thaw it out enough to drain it. Could I carefully heat up the water
connections that pass through the skin from the OUTSIDE with a propane torch? Those are
the places that most likely transfered the cold in, right?
Thanks again!
Courtney
balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
Courtney,
Are you running from the pump/tank or city? If it's city, check the hose
connected to the trailer. If running off the pump, you need to get the heat up.
Or, you can take a hair dryer and start heating up the lines/pump/etc... If all
else fails, hook the trailer up and go south for a day! What year trailer? If
its 1970 or newer, need to get heat in the belly. It could be the connection
for the tank to the pump. 1969 and older most of the pipe is above the floor.
Let us know!
Paul Waddell
66 Overlander, Safari
70 Safari
Quoting Courtney Gwyn :
> Good Morning,
>
> This morning the outside temp was 5 degrees, inside my GT was 55.
>
> I have no water in the kitchen or bath.
>
> I opened all the cabinet doors and sofas, to let heat into the more
> inaccessable areas.
>
> I thought all water lines were inside and if the heat was on they wouldn't
> freeze.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Courtney
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:22:31 -0600
From: "D.L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
If you use the torch you had better call the Fire Dept first.. You WILL
stand a good chance of setting the house on fire... Use an Electric
hair dryer ! It is much safer. Or if you can get it Hot Water is
better.
See You On the Road
Dean & Kay
WBCCI 2486
IOWA
On Dec 20, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Courtney Gwyn wrote:
> Thanks for the replies everyone,
>
> I was not connected to a hose, I only had a bit of water in the inside
> tank. The Water heater had some in it too.
>
> It is a 63 Globetrotter. All water lines are inside.
>
> I would like to thaw it out enough to drain it. Could I carefully heat
> up the water connections that pass through the skin from the OUTSIDE
> with a propane torch? Those are the places that most likely transfered
> the cold in, right?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Courtney
>
> balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Courtney,
>
> Are you running from the pump/tank or city? If it's city, check the
> hose
> connected to the trailer. If running off the pump, you need to get the
> heat up.
> Or, you can take a hair dryer and start heating up the
> lines/pump/etc... If all
> else fails, hook the trailer up and go south for a day! What year
> trailer? If
> its 1970 or newer, need to get heat in the belly. It could be the
> connection
> for the tank to the pump. 1969 and older most of the pipe is above the
> floor.
>
> Let us know!
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:30:42 EST
From: Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] living in your trailer
Hello to everyone ...eventually my companion and have this idea of selling
our home in Southern Ca. ....and buying an Airstream and just traveling around
this country .......are there folks out there who just live out of their
trailer ....and don't have a permanent .....place ? is this to wild a
question?
Is this realistic way of spending the end of journey through life or close to
it ? Thanks to anyone who knows some answers for us ....
INDIANA
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:35:45 -0500
From: balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Courtney,
If you don't have a hair dryer, I'd suggest a "heatgun" that is used to remove
paint. Its not that you can not use a torch, its just not the safest to use.
The heat gun will be as hot as you will need with out the danger of an open
flame. I think if you had vacation time coming from work, Florida is very nice
this time of year. Your trailer would thaw, you'd get a tan and you could
winterize before you return!
Paul
Quoting "D.L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>:
> If you use the torch you had better call the Fire Dept first.. You WILL
> stand a good chance of setting the house on fire... Use an Electric
> hair dryer ! It is much safer. Or if you can get it Hot Water is
> better.
>
>
> See You On the Road
> Dean & Kay
> WBCCI 2486
> IOWA
>
>
> On Dec 20, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Courtney Gwyn wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the replies everyone,
> >
> > I was not connected to a hose, I only had a bit of water in the inside
> > tank. The Water heater had some in it too.
> >
> > It is a 63 Globetrotter. All water lines are inside.
> >
> > I would like to thaw it out enough to drain it. Could I carefully heat
> > up the water connections that pass through the skin from the OUTSIDE
> > with a propane torch? Those are the places that most likely transfered
> > the cold in, right?
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > Courtney
> >
> > balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> > Courtney,
> >
> > Are you running from the pump/tank or city? If it's city, check the
> > hose
> > connected to the trailer. If running off the pump, you need to get the
> > heat up.
> > Or, you can take a hair dryer and start heating up the
> > lines/pump/etc... If all
> > else fails, hook the trailer up and go south for a day! What year
> > trailer? If
> > its 1970 or newer, need to get heat in the belly. It could be the
> > connection
> > for the tank to the pump. 1969 and older most of the pipe is above the
> > floor.
> >
> > Let us know!
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:05:06 EST
From: Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Squarestreams
Hello .....Can someone tell me how I can see photos of this Squarestream
.....thanks much ....
INDIANA
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:18:08 -0600
From: "Kevin D. Allen" <overlander64@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] living in your trailer
Greetings Indiana!
What you are describing is a Full-Timer, and there are many among the
Airstream family as well as RVers in general. In fact, there is a
Full-Timers Intra-Club in the WBCCI (Wally Byam Caravan Club
International). See: http://www.fulltiming-america.com/WBCCI/ for a
description of the Full-Timers Intra-Club.
Good luck with your research!
Kevin
Kevin D. Allen
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
1978 Argosy Minuet
1975 Cadillac Convertible (towcar in-training)
WBCCI/VAC #6359
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[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:31 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] living in your trailer
Hello to everyone ...eventually my companion and have this idea of
selling
our home in Southern Ca. ....and buying an Airstream and just traveling
around
this country .......are there folks out there who just live out of their
trailer ....and don't have a permanent .....place ? is this to wild a
question?
Is this realistic way of spending the end of journey through life or
close to
it ? Thanks to anyone who knows some answers for us ....
INDIANA
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:23:32 EST
From: Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
Kevin .....thanks so much .....we are so green behind the ears about this
idea ....and frankly abit scared ....but we don't want to stay put any more ....I
want to see this fantastic country ....and meet all kinds of people plus
......our families ....are in different parts of the country .....we want to see
more of them than we have .....thanks again ....
INDIANA
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:38:58 EST
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
There are a million people in the United States that live full time in their
RV. My parents were full time in their 31' Airstream for about 10 years. They
had a home base in Florida. They then lived the cooler months in Ohio. They
loved this way of life. I live at Traveler's Rest in Dade City, Florida during
the winter months. There are a lot of couple in the park that make this park
their home base and are full timers. One of the big problems would be deciding
where you want to make your legal residence. Most in our park have their legal
residence in Florida. I think you can pick the state that best suits your
personal tax advantage. The next important thing would be to decide how you will
handle your doctors and medical care. Most people have two doctors. My parents
had one in Florida and one in Ohio. It was a great life for them. I am not a
full timer because my wife won't give up her house. I do love to live in our
Airstream during the winter months. No grass to mow. jauman
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:17:09 EST
From: Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
jauman ....thanks so much ....you seem you know alot about this ....I you
don't mind if we sometimes will put questions to you ....we know nothing of this
......thanks very much .....
INDIANA
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:05:09 -0600
From: Matt Worner <wornmatt@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Squarestreams
Indy116@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>Hello .....Can someone tell me how I can see photos of this Squarestream
>.....thanks much ....
>
><snip>
>
>
Indiana,
Got the pics up on my webshots page. Go to: http://tinyurl.com/6h9hg
and browse to your heart's content. If you go up one level you will
also see the other 4 aluminum "palaces", a couple of which are due for
some tender loving exurban renewal.
Matt
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:10:31 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] living in your trailer
If you're considering full-timing, check out the Escapees RV Club. There
are a number of advantages to joining this group.
http://www.escapees.com/
Roger
Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:42:56 -0500
From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Heat's on, pipes frozen?
Courtney
You didn't say if your connected to outside water source.
If so your outside water hose will freeze much sooner than the water lines
inside the trailer. During real cold (freezing) weather it's best to just use
water from the fresh water tank.
Now if your stubborn like me and insist on being able to hook up to outside
water.
Then in that case you can get a water line heat tape blanket and wrap your
hose.
Also if your real persistent in your pursuit in this quest you can also use
the foam insulation over it once the heat tape is wrapped and secure. It does
end up rather bulky, but works good.
Bobby
Looking forward to going to the mountains in January!!!
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From: Courtney Gwyn<mailto:rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
I thought all water lines were inside and if the heat was on they wouldn't
freeze.
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