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VAL Digest         Saturday, December 18 2004         Volume 02 : Number 100




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Towing
Re: [VAL] Towing
Re: [VAL] Towing
Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working
Re: Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working
[VAL] Cargo Shifting:  Bowl and cups
Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
[VAL] what the latest buzz on Solar?
[VAL] Punta Gorda
Re: [VAL] what the latest buzz on Solar?
[VAL] 1952 Brakes
Re: [VAL] Punta Gorda
Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
[VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] 1952 Brakes
Re: [VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] Tis the season
Re: [VAL] Tis the season

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:27:12 -0800 (PST)
From: ThreePeaksRanch <threepeaksranch@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Towing

OH MAN.......HELLO!!
There is an amazing list of answers EVERYONE for many
of the questions that are repeatedly asked on this
site....check it out. Tom has a HUGE selection of
topics.....then, you don't have to post the same
questions over and over and over again....
THANKS TOBY FOR YOUR WORK!
LOVE YA!
3PR
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> Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working
> [VAL] Towing, Shocks & Tongue Weight
> Re: [VAL] Re: LP valves
> Re: [VAL] Towing, Shocks & Tongue Weight
> Re: [VAL] Re: LP valves
> Re: [VAL] Towing, Shocks & Tongue Weight
> [VAL] Cargo shifting:  Viking jug
> [VAL] Cargo shifting:  Yet a second Viking jug
> [VAL] '54 Liner
> Re: [VAL] '54 Liner
> Re: [VAL] Re: LP valves
> 
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 04:56:33 -0800
> From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working
> 
>     All,
>     
>     As usual, Gerald was right and had to post his
> thoughts to jog my
> memory.  Of course the outside 12 volt lighting is
> powered by the tow
> vehicle only.  Duuh, I can't imagine what I was
> thinking when I said
> otherwise.  
> 
>     Thanks Gerald, 
> 
>     Glyn  : - (
> 
> > From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> > Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:42:08 -0600
> > To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Subject: Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working
> > 
> > The Airstream interior and exterior lights tend to
> be very isolated from each
> > other except for the porch light. Its part of the
> interior lighting circuits.
> > 
> > The exterior lights, specifically the marker,
> backup, stop and turn lamps are
> > supplied exclusively by the tow vehicle through
> the cord that also carries
> > brakes. In that cable there is also ground and a
> battery charging wire for
> > the interior 12 volt system. That is the ONLY
> connection between the
> > exterior lights and the interior lights. These
> exterior lights in late 60s
> > Airstreams are wired using copper wire but depend
> on the trailer skin and
> > frame ffor a ground return. Most depend on
> squeezing plastic for the
> > ground connection. Since plastic flows under
> pressure to relieve that
> > pressure ALL those ground connections can be bad.
> They were on my '68
> > Caravel after it had sat a few years since my dad
> had last used it. Every
> > light socket was also corroded and needed
> cleaning. I replaced the
> > plastic post under the marker lights with a
> combination of an aluminum
> > screw using stainless steel shake proof lock
> washers, aluminum nuts, and
> > aluminum connector grease and for 3 years I've not
> lost a light. Lamb bases
> > I polished and coated with silicone dielectric
> grease (as used in Ford trucks
> > on lamps) and they have been almost as reliable.
> This year the back up
> > lamps started working though I didn't work on
> them. The umbilical cord
> > connects to the exterior lamp wires in a wiring
> compartment covered by a
> > plate up front in the belly skin.
> > 
> > Often the umbilical connector is corroded. Its a
> pain to clean. Its FAR
> > faster to go to Wally world and pay $7 for a new
> Bargman connector and
> > replace it than to clean it. Daub a bit of
> silicone on each connector pin to
> > slow corrosion there too.
> > 
> > Interior lights are supplied from the trailer
> battery (which is charged from
> > AC also with a Univolt or better charger).
> Interior (and the porch) light are
> > wired with aluminum wire using switches and wire
> nuts NOT RATED for
> > aluminum connections. Those need reworking with
> switches and
> > receptacles (for the 120 volts too) that are rated
> for aluminum wire. Most
> > home centers carry them but the selection is
> limited and the prices are
> > about $3 each. Wire nuts are harder to find though
> I have some in my barn
> > electrical drawer that are rated for aluminum and
> copper. Likely those will
> > only be found at an electrical distributor. I have
> broken the boxes and
> > mixed them up so I don't know which in the drawer
> are rated for both
> > copper and aluminum so I'll have to find a new box
> some of these days.
> > Fuses and fuse clips are always suspect. Fuses do
> go open just from age
> > and from cycling hot and cold. They corrode too.
> > 
> > I used scotchbrite for polishing and a Ford part
> number for the dielectric
> > grease (as specified for my '86 F-150, though I
> don't see it in my '98 F-150).
> > I 
> > suspect NAPA generic silicone dielectric grease
> (as needed ffor high
> > voltage ignition wires) will do just fine to keep
> lamp bases from corroding.
> > One brand of aluminum conductor grease (common in
> the electrical
> > departments of home centers and hardware stores)
> is Noalox. Its used for
> > making better connections on aluminum service
> entrance conductors. It
> > contains zinc crystals that break through the
> oxide inherent on aluminum
> > surfaces and grease that keeps oxygen away from
> that bared aluminum.
> > Its good for all connections, even copper wire
> connections.
> > 
> > There is a wiring diagram in my '68 owner's
> manual. There may be interior
> > wiring diagrams in other vintages of manual.
> > 
> > Gerald J.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson,
> electrical engineer.
> > Reproduction by permission only.
> > 
> >
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> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:53:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: Courtney Gwyn <rufuscourtney@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Subject: [VAL] Towing, Shocks & Tongue Weight
> 
> Good Morning,
>  
> I have a 1963 Globetrotter that I tow with a F350
> Diesel Crew cab 4x4 Long bed. It is lifted
> moderately- about 4 inches. I noticed that the rear
> of the truck seems to be bouncing slightly when I
> tow. Not alarmingly, just a bit.
>  
> I don't have a weight distributing hitch on there
> because I couldn't get a drop shank that dropped it
> low enough for the trailer to sit level.
>  
> Even with the regular hitch the nose of the trailer
> sits slightly higher, maybe an inch or two.
>  
> It has been suggested that:
>  
> 1. The truck needs shocks.
> 2. The trailer needs shocks.
> 3. There is not enough tongue weight.
>  
> 
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:10:16 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing

In a message dated 12/17/2004 2:28:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
threepeaksranch@xxxxxxxxxx.net writes:


>  Tom has a HUGE selection of
> topics.....then, you don't have to post the same
> questions over and over and over again....
> 

And you have a delete key and don't need to post the entire digest.

http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy 
shit...what a ride!"

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:23:49 EST
From: HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing

In a message dated 12/17/2004 8:11:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HHamp5246@xxxxxxxxxx.com writes:


> And you have a delete key and don't need to post the entire digest.

Uh oh, apologies to the VAC list. I thought that original post went to my 
list.  It really irritates me when one of the listies tells people to quit asking 
questions and go to Tom's page..... questions lead to discussions and it is a 
discussion list. Also, it's mostly new people with the questions and they 
won't read old posts asking them not to ask anyway.

Besides, info changes all the time, what may have been correct two years 
ago..... may not be the same now.

Anyway, I apologize for snarking.... I should have coffee before I post to be 
sure which list I'm posting to.  /-:

Hunter
AirstreamList  

http://members.aol.com/ILuvBrady/summer2004.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy 
shit...what a ride!"

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:27:44 -0600
From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working

On rereading my post, it seems that I didn't make my problem clear.  I 
meant that the INSIDE lights on the curb side were going out.  Could 
this be caused by the coach batteries failing?  Thanks for everyones' 
replies.
Cheyanne
On Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004, at 18:27 US/Central, Cheyanne & Randy wrote:

> The 12 volt lights in our Airstream are dying one at a time.  The 
> entire curb side went out at one time, and now the bedroom light over 
> the bed is out.  The outlets still work.  only the 12 volt is 
> involved.  Anyone have any idea at all what could be wrong before I 
> have to call an electrician?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheyanne

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:06:00 -0800
From: "Dr.Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [VAL] 12 volt light not working

All the interior lights get the same battery voltage. Battery failure won't 
affect just some. Loosing just some has to be a wiring problem. And with 
aluminum wire without connections made properly its a wonder any work. Could 
be any junction including any ground feeding that circuit. Could be the fuse 
or the fuse clip. The only way to find it is to start circuit tracing with a 
test lamp. I like to use a 50 watt edison base lamp in a socket with wires 
for testing. It's not confused by leakage through poor connections like a volt 
meter and since it draws 4 amps, it shows up bad connections by dimming.

A super technique is to start at the middle of the circuit, then go towards or 
away from the power source (the battery) as indicated by each test. A binary 
chop of the circuit. Often places won't be so handy to reach and the circuit 
itsn't that complex but what a serial search from beginning to end will find 
the problem. In my computer programs I find so long as the list is under 200 
items that a sequential search is faster than a binary chop search. That could 
easily apply to electrical circuit tracing too.

Gerald J.

Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, Electrical Engineer

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:29:03 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Cargo Shifting:  Bowl and cups

    All,

    Today I have a very unique offering.  It's a Texas Ware 7 7/8" diameter
bowl and eight 4" matching cups (not mugs, cups).  The bowl has signs of
wear but is still in very good shape.  It reads Texas Ware on the bottom.
The cups don't show any makers name.  That said, I think they're also Texas
Ware because they match color exactly with the bowl.  Speaking of color,
they're all the most gawd-awful purple you'd ever want to see, very
1950-60's!

If you haven't had cargo shifted your way, think you could use them for
yourself and don't just want them to resell, then they're yours for the
asking.  All I ask is that you be willing to cover the postage.

    The first person to email me back channel gets them.  I'll then ask for
your postal address and mail them to you.

    Postage reimbursement is very simple.  It'll be clearly marked on the
box along with my return address.  You can figure out the rest.

    Good luck,

    Glyn Judson
    1969 Caravel #508
    Santa Monica CA

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:09:06 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner

Hi. I am Jim Smith From Tampa and I am intrested in the 54 Liner what can you 
tell me about it is it gutted or is there enough of the origional parts to 
use as patterns.
Is it a single axel or dual.what is the exterior condition. Where isit 
located? I would like to take a look at it
Jim Smith

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:15:00 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner

Jim,

There are pictures up on my website in the photo album.  Go to: 
http://www.tompatterson.com/gallery/albums.php to get to the photo gallery 
and click on "1954 30" Airstream Liner" which is the very first album in the 
gallery.  There are 11 pictures in the album.  Click on each, and a bigger 
copy appears.  Click a second time, and a HUGE copy appears.  Remember, 
there are 11 pictures.  Only 9 are on the first page, and you will have to 
use the arrow on the top, or on the bottom, to go to the second page which 
has the remaining two pictures.

- -Tom

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From: <JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner


> Hi. I am Jim Smith From Tampa and I am intrested in the 54 Liner what can 
> you
> tell me about it is it gutted or is there enough of the origional parts to
> use as patterns.
> Is it a single axel or dual.what is the exterior condition. Where isit
> located? I would like to take a look at it
> Jim Smith

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:27:05 -0500
From: Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] what the latest buzz on Solar?

Hey gang-

This winter I am going to put on a solar panel while in Florida. 

What the latest buzz on brand names and controlers? distributors? My needs say 
to get something around 75 to 80 watts or so. I'm planning to do it myself; and 
am pretty competent at these things

Alex Kensington 
66 Safari & Overlander 

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:30:45 -0500
From: Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Punta Gorda

Hi again-

Say I have been off line for awhile. What is the condition of Paradise Park near Punta Gorda ?

Was it badly beaten by the storms? I thought they had a website but I can't seem to find it. 

Any news would be helpful-

Alex Kensington

66 Safari & Overlander

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:28:41 -0600
From: "Dan Childress" <daniel@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] what the latest buzz on Solar?

Alex
Are you putting the solar on the Safari?  Also interested in placing solar 
on my Caravel.  Will be watching for information.
Dan
14148

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From: <Alexkensington@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: [VAL] what the latest buzz on Solar?


> Hey gang-
>
> This winter I am going to put on a solar panel while in Florida.
>
> What the latest buzz on brand names and controlers? distributors? My needs 
> say to get something around 75 to 80 watts or so. I'm planning to do it 
> myself; and am pretty competent at these things
>
> Alex Kensington
> 66 Safari & Overlander
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:11:31 -0500
From: "Ken Nickolai" <kenn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] 1952 Brakes

We have re-connected the wires to the brakes on our 52 Cruiser and something
has gone wrong.  Instead of the brake controller (prodigy controller) showing
6 or 7 as it did previously  it now only shows 3.8.  Help!  All suggestions
are needed if we are to feel we can safely move this 60 miles into winter
storage.

Ken Nickolai

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:17:11 EST
From: Thirdhand2@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Punta Gorda

We are at Paradise Park right now.  Minimal damage to buildings and no 
trailer damage that I know of.

The weather is great.

The Web site is http://www.ppca.us

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:45:00 -0500
From: "Doc \(The Tin Boat King\)" <fozzie10@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner

Jim
    It is a 30 foot two axle two door trailer.  I think most of the cabnets 
are there, the closet walls, the double sink and faucets
are still mounted, much or the light fixtures are still on board.   The 
pictures on Tom's site show inside and out although the back
door is hard to see because of a shadow when I took the pics.   I'm not going 
to do anything with it untill after the first of the
year because the guy that gave it to me said it will be that long befor he 
can get the last of his stuff out.  You're welcome to
come down to see it any time though.   I'm taking my wife shopping in Sarasota 
Saturday but other than that I'm home.   Bill P.
Arcadia, Fl.   863-993-1569
=================================================================

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] '54 Liner


Hi. I am Jim Smith From Tampa and I am intrested in the 54 Liner what can you
tell me about it is it gutted or is there enough of the origional parts to
use as patterns.
Is it a single axel or dual.what is the exterior condition. Where isit
located? I would like to take a look at it
Jim Smith

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:46:02 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: [VAL] Tis the season

I have been a scrooge for too long so I went and bought about 500 yards 
of various Christmas lights and have started wrapping the little '56 
Bubble, using copious amounts of aluminum colored duck (or duct - take 
your choice). It dawned on me that there just might be a better way to 
hand or string the lights. I have the little blinkie ones and the some 
of the ribbons. Does anyone have some experience with doing that? I've 
seen the Christmas cards of the trailer outlined in lights but I think 
it would take a lot of duct tape to do that. Is the duck tape going to 
be the pits to remove? There's just something about that trailer that 
cried out "Light me up, mom!". I plan to put two visiting nieces in it 
for a 2 week visit and the trailer is in the open carport and will be 
the most nifty Christmas decoration on the block if I can pull it off. 
Plus, it'll be fun to watch the girls' faces when they see their 
live-in Christmas present.
Jo Ann

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:08:01 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1952 Brakes

Try reading the instructions.  Once you're connected electrically, squeeze 
the manual control, and then adjust the power knob so the display reads 6.0.

Then tow the trailer to a dry, level surface.  Get the tow vehicle up to 25 
mph and reactivate the manual control.

If the brakes lock up, reduce the power by adjusting the power knob.  If the 
wheels turn freely, increase power to a point just before lockup.

No two trailers will be the same, so the adjustments have to be made for 
your specific trailer.

Roger

Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD 

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:20:39 -0800
From: "Dr.Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

To remove the ducx tape adhesive, use oil. Cooking or new motor oil generally 
destroys adhesives. There are other things like goo off that claim to work. Oil 
isn't fast, but it tends to soften adhesives which then can be washed off.

I'd suggest using narrow strips of tape to minimize the cleaning effort.

Gerald J.

Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, Electrical Engineer
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joann Wheatley [mailto:jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu]
Sent: 12/17/2004 5:46:02 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Tis the season

> <SNIP> 
> it would take a lot of duct tape to do that. Is the duck tape going to 
> be the pits to remove?
> <SNIP>
> Jo Ann
> 
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:37:04 -0700
From: "Forrest Mcclure" <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

Hey Jo Ann,

You could use some plastic (or wood) clothes line clips to attach the string
of lights to your awning rail (if you have one) or to whatever else might
offer itself (such as the drip brow above the door). I don't like attaching
duct tape to the sides cause it always leaves behind some adhesive.

Forrest

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joann Wheatley" <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:46 PM
Subject: [VAL] Tis the season


> I have been a scrooge for too long so I went and bought about 500 yards
> of various Christmas lights and have started wrapping the little '56
> Bubble, using copious amounts of aluminum colored duck (or duct - take
> your choice). It dawned on me that there just might be a better way to
> hand or string the lights. I have the little blinkie ones and the some
> of the ribbons. Does anyone have some experience with doing that? I've
> seen the Christmas cards of the trailer outlined in lights but I think
> it would take a lot of duct tape to do that. Is the duck tape going to
> be the pits to remove? There's just something about that trailer that
> cried out "Light me up, mom!". I plan to put two visiting nieces in it
> for a 2 week visit and the trailer is in the open carport and will be
> the most nifty Christmas decoration on the block if I can pull it off.
> Plus, it'll be fun to watch the girls' faces when they see their
> live-in Christmas present.
> Jo Ann
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:48:18 -0800
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

Hey Joann, that sounds really neat!

Were it me, I would use patches of duct tape (the real name...Duck would be a
proper noun as some wise guy is marketing the stuff under that name.  Good
move.), but first I'd want to be sure it would come off cleanly with something
that wouldn't hurt your finish.  Lacquer thinner might be wisely avoided, but
good old turpentine or mineral spirits might do the job with no ill results
other than stripping the wax, if any.

You might consider those new-fangled icicle lights along the perimeter of the
bottom, and out the tongue, too.  It'd sure be take-a-picture worthy, and I
hope you post it if you do!

I think I'd run a lap around the plugs and sockets with the tape, once the
joint is made, too, to keep out seasonal moisture and help 'em stay connected
in the wind.

Happy holidays!

Mark in Modesto

62 Tradewind

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:08:03 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

Mayonnaise is a good adhesive remover.  Just remember to use something to 
clean the mayo off after the goo is gone.

Roger 

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:23:54 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

Thanks to all - mayo huh? I have a bisquit recipe with self-rising 
flour and mayo that came from a prison cook book and it's pretty good - 
lots of things to do with mayo. Thanks to everyone with suggestions. If 
it looks good, I'll take and post some pictures. I'd forgotten about 
using the awning strip. It's pretty cute to see because all the lights 
and ornaments are doubled by the reflection. Makes me wish I'd polished 
better. Merry Christmas to all and no more Baaah Humbug for us.
Jo Ann

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:43:14 -0600
From: Herb Spies <spies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

I did something like this. I used the little clear suction cups that 
have a slot in the top. The wires from the lights fit in the slot. I ran 
the light strings alog the riveted seams.

Joann Wheatley wrote:

> I have been a scrooge for too long so I went and bought about 500 
> yards of various Christmas lights and have started wrapping the little 
> '56 Bubble, using copious amounts of aluminum colored duck (or duct - 
> take your choice). It dawned on me that there just might be a better 
> way to hand or string the lights. I have the little blinkie ones and 
> the some of the ribbons. Does anyone have some experience with doing 
> that? I've seen the Christmas cards of the trailer outlined in lights 
> but I think it would take a lot of duct tape to do that. Is the duck 
> tape going to be the pits to remove? There's just something about that 
> trailer that cried out "Light me up, mom!". I plan to put two visiting 
> nieces in it for a 2 week visit and the trailer is in the open carport 
> and will be the most nifty Christmas decoration on the block if I can 
> pull it off. Plus, it'll be fun to watch the girls' faces when they 
> see their live-in Christmas present.
> Jo Ann
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:52:54 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tis the season

Oh boy, I like that idea - now to go find those puppies. I must shop, 
shop, and hopefully will find them.
Jo Ann
On Dec 2004, at 7:43 PM, Herb Spies wrote:

> I did something like this. I used the little clear suction cups that 
> have a slot in the top. The wires from the lights fit in the slot. I 
> ran the light strings alog the riveted seams.

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