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VAL Digest          Friday, December 12 2003          Volume 01 : Number 094




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Topics in Today's Digest:

RE: [VAL] Re: Pex plumbing and "Flair-it" fittings
[VAL] Re: leaks
[VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] Bike Racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
RE: [VAL] Bike Racks
Re: [VAL] Bike Racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] Bike Racks
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
[VAL] We're Home! (Long)
Re: [VAL] Re: leaks
[VAL] Looking for another part
Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks
Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)
Re: [VAL] Bike Racks
Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)
Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:10:01 -0700
From: "Jim Cooper" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Pex plumbing and "Flair-it" fittings

I am also moving the city water input to the side of my 67 TW.  I've had
to replace the original heater, and the new heater will be located under
the range.  It's a little smaller than the original.  This opens up the
space under the sink and leaves two holes in the side where the old
heater air in and out ports were.  I'll use one of these holes for city
water.

I don't see and advantage in moving the pump from forward by the water
tank to the sink area.  It doesn't eliminate a water line, and the
wiring needs to follow the pump or the pump on/off switch won't
function.

I have just about decided to use red and blue PEX along with Flair-it
fittings; although, the Manabloc manifold looks real convenient.

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
   
 

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> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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> On Behalf Of RESORARCHITECT@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:21 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: Pex plumbing and "Flair-it" fittings
> 
> Hello,
> Another call to Jr. at Sonrise Rv in Escondido, Ca reveals that he and
his
> entire Rv repair staff prefer the Pex (formerly Quest) system over the
> CPVC or
> other plumbing repair systems. He says that it's somewhat flexible,
has
> quality
> fittings that can be taken apart later so you don't have to cut and
splice
> your plumbing like you have to when you fix your irrigation plumbing.
For
> those
> who want to you can use blue for the cold loops and red for the hot
lines.
> He
> says furthur that they have collectively 80 years experience and this
is
> the
> best system. He didn't mention if it holds up under freeze conditions.
I
> think
> the full name for the stuff is: Vanex Cross-linked Polyethylene (PEX).
I
> don't
> know if Home Depot carries it but we'll find out soon.
> We plan to place the pump behind the range where there is considerable
> wasted
> space. That should eliminate one line/strand of piping going back to
the
> back. Our H2O tank is in the front under the couch. We think the
factory
> wanted
> the original very noisy pump to be in the back to not disturb people
in
> the
> front. The new pump is fairly quiet. Will it get cooked behind the
range?
> How hot
> will it get back there? Ours is a new Atwood range that is several
inches
> shorter than the original. Somewhere just aft of the pump we hope to
> attach the
> "City" water connection. That would be outside the rig near the galley
> area.
> Anyone see any problems with that concept? This will allow a cleaner
> neater rear
> compartment, too. Thanks for all the help, Stuart Resor.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:27:16 -0800 (PST)
From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: leaks

A guy I met at the SC state rally said that the Logo
lettering on some models is affixed by way of barbs
that penetrate the skin.  I have a mystery leak that
may be explained by this, but haven't had time/weather
cooperation to try caulking the letters.

Most of my other leaks came from the roof
penetrations, not the seams--which is not to say that
they couldn't leak.  But, take some time to inspect
the roof penetrations.  Sometimes, the problem is
apparent if you get up there and look around.

Jon in SC

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:33:30 -0800 (PST)
From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: bike racks

We are avid bikers, too.  I had frame separation and
fixed it.  As an engineer, I have decided against a
bumper mounted rack.  I think it would be too much for
the structure.  BTW, the bumper is directly attached
to the frame.  But, there's just not much to the
frame.  The strength is in the skin, and the frame
pretty much just attaches the hitch and wheels.

Someone makes quick-release clamps that mount with
screws to any relatively flat surface.  They're about
$20 each.  They do require you to remove the front
wheel.  You might consider these inside the trailer or
the bed of your PU (if you have one).

I haven't found a satisfactory solution, so I'm all
ears to someone who has.  I don't like roof racks b/c
I have a full sized van.  In addition, this location
isn't too "clean" on the east coast in summer time.  I
guess you just have to chose your dirt--dust or dead
bugs :)

Jon in SC
1 1968 Overlander
7 bikes (and I haven't even started buying them for
the kids yet!)

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:36:53 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <phil.renner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Racks

Ruth, whether it is mounted to the bumper or the frame, I do not think makes
a difference. It is still 30-50#s per bike, added to the rear of the
trailer, directly or indirectly supported by the frame and located 5-10 feet
from the rear axles (think of it as a lever/fulcrum). To much weight to take
a chance on.

I have the same problem, generally with 6 bikes to tote. My solution is put
as many as possible on the tow vehicle, and the rest in the Stream. Or, I
just take a second vehicle.

Phil Renner
63 Overlander and too much stuff to haul.


> I just read in one of these e-mails that the back bumper is not the place
> for a bike rack on an Airstream.  I really want to take bikes along on our
> trips any place that is good to mount a bike rack on the Airstream?
>
> Ruth Warren & the Tin Can Clan
> 1961 Tradewind

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:54:01 -0600
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jon fitz"
  BTW, the bumper is directly attached
> to the frame.  But, there's just not much to the
> frame.  The strength is in the skin, and the frame
> pretty much just attaches the hitch and wheels.

I agree, but I have seen some people attach a hitch ball to the bumper of an
Airstream trailer and then pull a boat behind the Airstream. I would never
try anything like that but I have actually seen it done. Strange site going
down the highway.

So it must be stronger than it looks.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:59:43 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Bike Racks

Not sure where this "no bike rack or spare tires on bumpers" got
started, but maybe I should start an "Airstream urban myth" section on
the website.  It may have sprung from the waste tank induced frame
separation problem of the longer trailers in the mid 1970's, but it is
safe to say that if you attach a spare tire (as Airstream did) or a bike
holder to the frame portion of the rear bumper, and the trailer is in
good unaltered condition (no extra tanks, heavy cabinets, etc), under
normal driving and loading conditions, you will do just fine.  The only
trailers I'd be leery of are the 1969-1978 28'+ trailers without the
Service Bulletin mod and any of the 25'+ 1950's/1960's single axle
trailers. 1940 Centerpole trailers are excluded of course.  Much of the
"frame separation" encountered on trailers is actually the result of the
C channel detaching from the floor plywood due to water leaks/rot.  The
whole backend can then flex up and down if you stand on the bumper.
I'll find some way to sum this up in the FAQ's one day.
Best of luck,
RJ
VintageAirstream.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:47 PM
> To: nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net; valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Bike Racks
>
>
> I just read in one of these e-mails that the back bumper is
> not the place
> for a bike rack on an Airstream.  I really want to take bikes
> along on our
> trips any place that is good to mount a bike rack on the Airstream?
>
> Ruth Warren & the Tin Can Clan
> 1961 Tradewind>

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:06:17 -0500
From: "Phil Renner" <phil.renner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Racks

How I pack the A'stream and vehicles for 6 (2 adults and 4 kids).

Volkswagen Vanagon:
Wife, 3 kids, cooler, 1 dogs, 2 bikes on rear rack, 2 bikes on roof,
skateboards, scooters, baby stroller.

Tow vehicle (either 94 Buick Roadmaster or Ford F150 PU):
Myself, 1 kid, another dog, camp wood, Barbeque grill, fishing gear, blue
porti tank, fire box, beach equipment, step ladder to get the bikes down,
any other nasty items

A'Stream:
Last 2 bikes, clothes, food & drink,  games, bedding, extra tents, dining
canopy, books, any other stuff that won't fit into the other vehicles.

Pocket:
Wallet and cell phone (to call home and bring me anything I've forgotten)

Phil Renner
63 Overlander
61 Raleigh
63 Schwinn
and on and on



- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nickruthwarren" <nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:46 PM
Subject: [VAL] Bike Racks


> I just read in one of these e-mails that the back bumper is not the place
> for a bike rack on an Airstream.  I really want to take bikes along on our
> trips any place that is good to mount a bike rack on the Airstream?
>
> Ruth Warren & the Tin Can Clan
> 1961 Tradewind
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:28:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

I've got a tire mounted on the rear bumber of my
trailer (1960 tradewind) and I can't imagine my bike
would even come close to that weight - although I
don't think my bike weighs more than 15 pounds...

wouldn't it make sense to attach them to the tow
vehicle?

here's a thought, though I don't know how legal it is:
 I've heard of having a hitch receiver installed on
the front of your vehicle (handy for parking a trailer
in a tight spot) why couldn't you attach a
receiver-style bike rack to the front and put your
bikes there?

It would be silly if you were trying to haul more than
just a couple bikes, but it's a thought!

Toby

- --- Don Hardman <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jon fitz"
>   BTW, the bumper is directly attached
> > to the frame.  But, there's just not much to the
> > frame.  The strength is in the skin, and the frame
> > pretty much just attaches the hitch and wheels.
> 
> I agree, but I have seen some people attach a hitch
> ball to the bumper of an
> Airstream trailer and then pull a boat behind the
> Airstream. I would never
> try anything like that but I have actually seen it
> done. Strange site going
> down the highway.
> 
> So it must be stronger than it looks.
> 
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:31:45 -0800
From: "michelle" <safoocat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

A folding bike is an alternative.
I have a 3 speed folding bike and love it.
Michelle

What the heart once owned and
had, it shall never lose.
~Henry Ward Beecher~


I haven't found a satisfactory solution, so I'm all
ears to someone who has. 

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:46:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

seems to me that if you can think of a folding bike,
you can think like an airstream!  this, so far, makes
the most sense to me unless you're doing some off road
or street racing...

Toby

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> A folding bike is an alternative.
> I have a 3 speed folding bike and love it.
> Michelle
> 
> What the heart once owned and
> had, it shall never lose.
> ~Henry Ward Beecher~
> 
> 
> I haven't found a satisfactory solution, so I'm all
> ears to someone who has. 
> 
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:15:45 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

I'd think there would be no problem with a bike out front so long as it
didn't block the driver's vision. For sure bikes out front will probably
noticed as they get loose before they fall off and become a road hazard.

At least a couple hitch makers already make receivers to bolt on to the
front of pickups, probably without drilling. Last I recall, priced in
the $120 range. That front hitch is super handy when parking in a tight
spot (or when parking a four wheel farm wagon, been there, done that).
At least it the catalogs a popular attachment is a folding step to fit
the hitch receiver so one can climb up to see and service the engine
without a step ladder.

Gerald J.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:13:33 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Racks

Hi gang,

We have taken our bikes along on many trips over the  years.  First putting
them in the Airsteam, then in the suburban however this year before our trip
to the east coast I refitted our bumper bike rack to place the bikes well
above the  propane bottles and leaning somewhat ahead toward the suburban.
We traveled 7500 miles with no problems.  However the bikes rubbing together
did amazing damage to the aluminum frames...nearly rubbing them completely
through in several spots.  They also rusted due to all the rain we
encountered along the way.  I'm now thinking along the lines of a roof rack.

I wouldn't mount them to the airstream.  Hauling bikes inside the trailer
wasn't good, they inevitably scratched things up.  Moving them in and out
was a royal pain especially when you have a child that must get to the
bathroom fast!

After all though it was wonderful to bike all the trails on Cape Cod and
various places in Canada and the states.

Happy trails, GAS

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:15:04 -0800
From: "michelle" <safoocat@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

A lot of small plane pilots use folding bikes.
I never fold mine btw, but it's small enough to store conveniently.
It's great in a place like Las Vegas where the casinos are so far apart.
I can just peddle from one to the next and lock it to a post somewhere.

Michelle

What the heart once owned and
had, it shall never lose.
~Henry Ward Beecher~


seems to me that if you can think of a folding bike,
you can think like an airstream!  this, so far, makes
the most sense to me unless you're doing some off road
or street racing...

Toby

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:20:34 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

    All,

    An early morning flight from LAX last Tuesday got us into Sacramento
Airport at 10:15 AM where we met the owner of our new Caravel.  Marilyn and
I went out to the parking lot to see her in all her gleaming splendor.  The
outside is very clean with the to-be-expected minor dents in the banana
skin.  Did I use the right term her to describe the skin that turns under
the vertical skin?

    Anyway, she presented well and had very good curb appeal, to steal a
real estate term.  The interior is also very clean with minor deficiencies,
a few of which I already resolved with a quick trip to an RV store.

    We drove with the former owner to the local U-Haul dealer and exchanged
tow vehicles.  We rented a one-way, 14 foot box Ford truck and had a few
tense moments in the lot trying to get the 2" hitch to fit the 2" ball on
the back of the U-Haul.  There's a curled lip on my hitch, the front of
which interfered with the L channel the ball is welded to.  No amount of
persuading could get it to seat until I got out my trusty claw hammer from
the assortment of tools I brought up with me (thanks Gerald) and proceeded
to slowly and deliberately peen that front lip.  Well, about 2-3 minutes of
moving and shaping allowed us to drop the hitch on the ball like a hand in a
glove.  

    We left Sacramento around 1PM and headed for Los
Gatos where I had bought an Equal-i-Zer brand of sway control hitch (17 to
22 foot model) on eBay and arranged to pick it up personally on the trip
south at the sellers home.  The hitch is in perfect used condition and I
paid a very fair price for it.  I did not hook it up as there's no receiver
on the U-Haul for such purposes so I just threw it in the back of the truck
where all the parts miraculously sat and didn't move around.  Did I mention
that I also bought the Caravel on eBay?

    From there we headed south to Monterey where my mother lives and arrived
there just before dusk.

    Yesterday morning we headed south from Monterey for San Luis Obispo and
what was to be a quick visit with Jo Ann Wheatley of this List and her
husband Pat.  Jo Ann has taken on yeoman duty restoring her mid 50's Bubble
by single handedly gutting the interior and removing all the rotted and
moldy flooring.  She is now essentially rebuilding the Bubble from the frame
up.  The work site is at the side of their lovely and inviting house where
two talented guys are doing Jo Ann's bidding assisting her with her custom
design ideas that are nothing short of brilliant!

    Don't be surprised if you see her Bubble written up in some prestigious
magazine showing what cool things she's done.

    Well, Jo Ann and Pat would have nothing of our rushing off and they not
only invited us to stay for dinner but Pat led us to a lovely State RV park
in Pizmo Beach, what turned out to be about a 15 mile trip each way.  After
our self-registering and parking in a space, Pat drove us back to their
house where we sat down to a delicious dinner of baked ham and potatoes and
all the fancy stuff to go along with it.

    Let's not forget the tremendous welcome their two dogs, Slick and Joan
Jet gave our pup Gwen.  I might add that Gwen is a Guide Dog in training and
flew with us at our feet on the flight to Sacramento.  Gwen showed her
gratitude to Jo Ann, Pat, Slick and Joan Jet by throwing up on their lovely
dining room rug just at the onset of dinner.  I was mortified and apologized
up one side and down the other to all within earshot numerous times.  Our
hosts were SO cool and calm about Gewn's little discretion and after I
cleaned up, we resumed our meal as if nothing happened.  Thank you for your
understanding Jo Ann and Pat, I owe you Big Time!

    When dinner was finished, we said our good-bye's to Jo Ann, and Pat
hustled us into his car again for the return trip to the State RV park.

    Many thanks again to you, Jo Ann and Pat for your generous hospitality
to a couple of virtual strangers.  We were very impressed with you two and
want to publicly extend the same offer to you if you ever make it down our
way.  

    This morning just after sunrise we headed for home from Pizmo Beach and
arrived in Santa Monica around noon with both the truck and the Caravel in
the same shape they were when we left from Sacramento Tuesday afternoon.

    About the driving experience south.  We hit every conceivable road,
traffic and weather condition known to man short of snow and black ice.  The
9,900 pound U-Haul towed the Caravel as if it weren't there at all.  The
engine was more than powerful to move us along at safe highway speeds and
despite unconsciously going over the speed limit at times, there wasn't even
a hint of fish tailing or sway, not even once.  This included being passed
by, and passing semi rigs at slow, moderate and high speeds.  Folks, I'm
talking almost no sway or buffeting whatsoever!  What a great combination of
truck and trailer.  Then there were the gusting winds (15-20, approaching 25
or higher at times) that followed us all the way south accompanied by rain
from light misting to downpour that even the wipers had a hard time keeping
up with.  I tell you, what a baptism by fire we had.  Hey, bring it all on,
after that I can almost take anything.

    The truck is two darned bulky and the aft step platform is such as to
interfere with tight reverse turns to use it for the final tow into the back
of the property from the alley despite our two fence gates that make for a
12 foot access.   Tomorrow our neighbor will assist with his Toyota Tundra
in the final move. 

    As to the feared and dreaded Questa grade, (thanks anyway Susan) I had
gained enough confidence at that point with the performance of the truck
that I took it without trepidation.  The truck has overdrive which I used
all the time on the road.  It came in especially handy on serious downgrades
like Questa where all I had to do was to disengage it with the push of a
conveniently located  button on the end of the shift selector.  In this
mode, my speed never exceeded 60 MPH without ever having to touch the
brakes.  I kept a very safe distance between me and all vehicles ahead of me
at all times and never even got close to a panic situation.  Well, that's
not true, I had four or five cases of cars slipping in front of me with very
little wiggle room to spare.  That's when Dr. Adrenaline took over the
driving and he and I just backed off and let them go their way.  There were
no real close calls at all.

    Sorry to have dragged you through all this but I wanted to share with
you my successful trip home and thought some of you might enjoy the story.
I absolutely could not have done it without all the helpful suggestions and
support I got from the good folks of this List.

    Now for my questions about where to find parts.  Well, it's started
already, I need several items right off the bat.  Is there a source for
replacement locker latches used in the 1969 Airstreams, specifically my
Caravel?  I have in my hand a cream-white plastic, one piece latch measuring
2" X 2 3/8" with three mounting holes.  This is the type that is operated
with one hand by squeezing the tab in order to open the locker door.  This
one is tabless and there's no way to keep the locker closed.  Sources
anyone?  While we're on the subject, I could also use source information for
the one missing metal crank for the overhead vent.  Lastly, I need to find a
source for the curtain slides that fit into the inverted U track over each
if not all of the windows.

    So to recap, I need:

    1.  An exact replacement white plastic latch.
    2.  An exact replacement hand crank for the overhead vent (or two so I
can have one spare).
    3.  The curtain slides for the existing slide track.

    Again, thanks to everybody who has been so kind to Marilyn and me with
advise and food.

    Glyn Judson
    Proud new owner of a 1969 Airstream Caravel, #508
    Santa Monica CA
    
    The plate outside by the door reads: C33  FJ above the words Land Yacht
A travel Trailer and below that, 018D9 S508 so I assume it's #508.  What
does all the rest of the numbering mean?

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:10:16 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: leaks

    John,

    There's a product that you can get at any West Marine called Captain
Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure (no kidding) that's as thin as water, maybe
thinner and looks like skim milk when it comes out of the little squeeze
bottle.  You might want to apply a bit of this on your logo to see if that
does the trick.  When it air cures, it's clear with hardly a trace unless
you did it and are looking for it.  Apparently this stuff follows the crack
and cures inside it, thereby sealing it from the inside out.

    Good luck,

    Glyn Judson 
    1969 Caravel #508
    

> From: jon fitz <fitzjo1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:27:16 -0800 (PST)
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: leaks
> 
> A guy I met at the SC state rally said that the Logo
> lettering on some models is affixed by way of barbs
> that penetrate the skin.  I have a mystery leak that
> may be explained by this, but haven't had time/weather
> cooperation to try caulking the letters.
> 
> Most of my other leaks came from the roof
> penetrations, not the seams--which is not to say that
> they couldn't leak.  But, take some time to inspect
> the roof penetrations.  Sometimes, the problem is
> apparent if you get up there and look around.
> 
> Jon in SC
> 
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:14:46 -0800
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Looking for another part

    All,

    I also forgot to mention that I need to locate an inside door handle.
The one I now have is an Allen Wrench that's been Liquid Steeled into place.
Is that a hex inside there or was this one just jammed in and glued?

    Actually, what do these handles look like?

    Thanks,

    Glyn

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:25:43 -0600
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: bike racks

Toby -

Many fulltimers I've meet who boon dock alot use the front
reciever hitch to carry 4KW generators and tools and bikes all at the
same time.

Blair

At 12:28 PM 12/11/2003, you wrote:

>I've got a tire mounted on the rear bumber of my
>trailer (1960 tradewind) and I can't imagine my bike
>would even come close to that weight - although I
>don't think my bike weighs more than 15 pounds...
>
>wouldn't it make sense to attach them to the tow
>vehicle?
>
>here's a thought, though I don't know how legal it is:
>  I've heard of having a hitch receiver installed on
>the front of your vehicle (handy for parking a trailer
>in a tight spot) why couldn't you attach a
>receiver-style bike rack to the front and put your
>bikes there?
>
>It would be silly if you were trying to haul more than
>just a couple bikes, but it's a thought!
>
>Toby
>
>--- Don Hardman <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jon fitz"
> >   BTW, the bumper is directly attached
> > > to the frame.  But, there's just not much to the
> > > frame.  The strength is in the skin, and the frame
> > > pretty much just attaches the hitch and wheels.
> >
> > I agree, but I have seen some people attach a hitch
> > ball to the bumper of an
> > Airstream trailer and then pull a boat behind the
> > Airstream. I would never
> > try anything like that but I have actually seen it
> > done. Strange site going
> > down the highway.
> >
> > So it must be stronger than it looks.
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:33:30 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

Howdy list:
   Well, now I know how a stack of pancakes feel when someone pours 
genuine maple syrup all over it - Glyn, Marilyn, and Gwen (the most 
beautiful young Lab you'll ever see) made a flying stop with us and 
then, back on the road. I think the lesson here is - if you're going to 
go get a trailer sight unseen, take a BIG TRUCK.
   Work continues on the Bubble, which I'm starting to think may not be 
a '57 at all but maybe a '56. Is the number of aluminum panels, front 
and rear, the main criteria? Ours has the funny shaped "corner-stone" 
section.
Jo Ann

>     An early morning flight from LAX last Tuesday got us into 
> Sacramento
> Airport at 10:15 AM where we met the owner of our new Caravel.  
> Marilyn and
> I went out to the parking lot to see her in all her gleaming splendor. 

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:19:12 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Bike Racks

Wow Phil. You're doing pretty good.

How about 2 adults, 2 kids, full tent camping gear and an 18' canoe on a 
  VW rabbit? People used to stand around and watch me pack.

Daisy

Phil Renner wrote:

> How I pack the A'stream and vehicles for 6 (2 adults and 4 kids).
> 
> Volkswagen Vanagon:
> Wife, 3 kids, cooler, 1 dogs, 2 bikes on rear rack, 2 bikes on roof,
> skateboards, scooters, baby stroller.
> 
> Tow vehicle (either 94 Buick Roadmaster or Ford F150 PU):
> Myself, 1 kid, another dog, camp wood, Barbeque grill, fishing gear, blue
> porti tank, fire box, beach equipment, step ladder to get the bikes down,
> any other nasty items
> 
> A'Stream:
> Last 2 bikes, clothes, food & drink,  games, bedding, extra tents, dining
> canopy, books, any other stuff that won't fit into the other vehicles.
> 
> Pocket:
> Wallet and cell phone (to call home and bring me anything I've forgotten)
> 
> Phil Renner
> 63 Overlander
> 61 Raleigh
> 63 Schwinn
> and on and on
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "nickruthwarren" <nickruthwarren@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:46 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Bike Racks
> 
> 
> 
>>I just read in one of these e-mails that the back bumper is not the place
>>for a bike rack on an Airstream.  I really want to take bikes along on our
>>trips any place that is good to mount a bike rack on the Airstream?
>>
>>Ruth Warren & the Tin Can Clan
>>1961 Tradewind
>>
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:15:32 EST
From: M1492@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

inland rv has the latches


mark
67 safari

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:37:29 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] We're Home! (Long)

Drapery stores carry or can get several styles of plastic glides to fit
the tracks. Sometimes RV stores. Drapery shops will have the best price.

The Bargman L-200 (I think it is) has a round knob outside and the right
bar knob inside and fits the opening where the original lock is. It
needs an extended yoke. A few years ago I bought lock and yoke at the
St. Louis Airstream dealer for under $80. Assembled by Airstream the
official replacement set was something like $360. Some day I may do the
assembly so I have a lock instead of a hasp for the Caravel's door. Or I
may mount a dead bolt lock in the wall and depend on it for locking the
door.

My dad fixed one or two of the plastic latches with thin spring metal
inserts. However, the original plastic latches work better.

A roof vent crank may be harder to find, but I'd try a dealer in RV
parts looking at cranks for window operators. The problem will be
finding the right interior spline.

Gerald J.
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