VAL Digest V1 #90

VAL Digest          Monday, December 8 2003          Volume 01 : Number 090




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] Toilet paper in your black water tank
RE: [VAL] Re: Toilet paper in your black water tank
[VAL] RE: Toilet paper in your black water tank
Re: [VAL] Toilet paper in your black water tank
Re: [VAL] black water tank stories
Re: [VAL] black water tank stories
[VAL] Re: Potty Talk
Re: [VAL] Re: Toilet paper in your black water tank
Re: [VAL] black water tank stories
Re: [VAL] Re: Toilet paper in your black water tank
Re: [VAL] black water tank stories
RE: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #74 - Diesels

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 07:12:29 -0700
From: "Polly Pulver" <jppolly@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet paper in your black water tank

The days of outhouses are not completely gone - a properly built and
maintained outhouse is a good thing.  Our county still permits them if they
are built to code.  In this desert area that I live in, an outhouse saves
precious drinking quality water for better use than flushing s--- ! The
septic systems that we use here in the county is just one step from an
outhouse  and I am not sure it was a wise step where every drop of water
should be used wisely. Of course, an outhouse is not very portable, but I
use a Portapotti in my Globetrotter instead of the black tank.  Easier to
maintain and uses less chemicals and water.
Polly in CO
WBCCI 7113

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:05:48 -0500
From: "Lynn Evans" <Earth2Lynn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: Toilet paper in your black water tank

I just wanted to say that I appreciate all this info and it answered
some questions I had and it's just a "plain ole fact of life" and part
of RV life too. 
 
When the plumbing aint happy, aint nobody happy!!!

We have done all the work on our complete renovation but we haven't
tested it out yet and I don't really know all the rules at RV parks. [We
were going on a test run but it got real cold and I did the whole pink
stuff thing to the water lines and now it's too much trouble to go so we
will test in early spring]

 I just have a blackwater tank and a drain for grey water so I assume I
need one of those big rolling plastic tank things to collect the grey
water or black water and dispose of it as required?  I guess I just need
to rinse it real clean after having to use it for black water
transporting and use some chemicals to keep it fresh.

When we went to a seminar on live-aboard sailboat cruising last month I
heard a talk on odor problems and they mentioned using KO bacterial
enzeimes treatment stuff
http://www.sealandservices.com/marine_consumables.htm

It may have been mentioned already...I haven't read all the post on this
subject in the archives.  Seemed like a good idea and I took notes.  The
talk was by the lady who owned the company and developed the product
until she sold it to Raritan.
Good info here
http://www.overboardboating.com/maintenance/tipsmsds.htm

For what it's worth...
Lynn/aka/Lexxy



> I would note that us ladies account for a whole bunch of tp use in 
> general so before I get any more specific, perhaps we should 
> take this 
> offline?
> Jo Ann

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:20:38 -0800
From: "Erica Haaseth" <eriboberi@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] RE: Toilet paper in your black water tank

Hi,
As I mentioned at our intro we bought our trailer from the origianl owner.  
He gave us potty lessons and we seem to be doing well with his advice.  We 
use chems & Scot tp.  The back window screen comes out easliy and we flush 
our tank with a hose everytime we dump.  It takes time but seems to be worth 
it.  Then we put two bowls of water in the tank to keep it wet while it's 
being stored.  The hose flush probably won't work for everyone.  I'm not 
sure if everybody has the potty in the back?
Also, on the homefront & campfront I have become a urine expert.  I have a 4 
year old son.  I can't recommend enough "Nature's Miracle".   You get it 
from pet supply store.  It has enzymes that eat the smell & aftermath that 
urine can cause!  My sons sits on the potty but I still give it a good spray 
after he goes to ensure there is no smell.
Erica
66 safari

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:31:25 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Toilet paper in your black water tank

I got a Porta Potty with my Avion Camper, I never used one before, but I 
like the concept. This can be dealt with at any potty, not just dump 
stations.... Remains to be seen what I think of it with some experience.

Daisy

Polly Pulver wrote:

> The days of outhouses are not completely gone - a properly built and
> maintained outhouse is a good thing.  Our county still permits them if they
> are built to code.  In this desert area that I live in, an outhouse saves
> precious drinking quality water for better use than flushing s--- ! The
> septic systems that we use here in the county is just one step from an
> outhouse  and I am not sure it was a wise step where every drop of water
> should be used wisely. Of course, an outhouse is not very portable, but I
> use a Portapotti in my Globetrotter instead of the black tank.  Easier to
> maintain and uses less chemicals and water.
> Polly in CO
> WBCCI 7113
> 
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:51:18 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water tank stories

Hi lexxy
> 
>  I just have a blackwater tank and a drain for grey water so I assume I
> need one of those big rolling plastic tank things to collect the grey
> water or black water and dispose of it as required?  I guess I just need
> to rinse it real clean after having to use it for black water
> transporting and use some chemicals to keep it fresh.

If you are at a campground with a sewer hook up, you put the slinky hose 
  from the outlet of the trailer into the hole. The grey water just goes 
down the hole. The black tank can go for nearly a week. Keep that valve 
closed until the tank is quite full, and don't be stingy with the water 
to flush. It needs to stay sloshy.  You can either dump the black tank 
right into the ground , followed by a good rush of water through the 
hose or take the trailer to the dump station.

If you are not at a sewer hook up, you need the blue meanie to hold the 
grey water.  I have a 5 gal that takes me a day to fill, then I can 
empty it easily.  The big ones are way heavy when full.

I don't think most folks use the blue meanie for black water.  They 
don't drain all that well, and I would be afraid of it stinking while 
it's riding in the truck.

Daisy

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:49:31 -0600
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water tank stories

Most of the "Blue Boy", "Gray Boy" etc... Black water portable tanks can be 
towed behind the truck by a handle that drops over the ball on your 
hitch... If you have switched to Hensley, you can carry a little trailer 
ball hookup that will pull the tank ... just go slow...
The bigger tanks are easier to work with due to the addition of valves and 
extra hose connections... just more of a problem to haul along...(take up a 
lot of space)

The paper you buy in the grocery can be easily tested by putting a couple 
of squares in a glass of water and watch for the time to dissolve into 
something less than a sheet... you can compare it with a couple of sheets 
of RV type paper for time to dissolve and if it does not compare , don't 
use it ... it won't dissolve in the chemical much better than it does in 
the water...I have found Scott to be as good as the Camping World stuff....

As to chemical or enzyme... they both work and as I recall, just not 
together... the chemicals kill the enzymes... I used a bottle of the enzyme 
after buying it at an RV show and it worked just fine... when the bottle 
ran out, I switched back to the chemicals because they were available where 
I happened to be...

Among the good advice I have noticed is don't let the tank dry out... and 
don't leave the valve open at the camp site... let the tank fill up and use 
enough water to keep the system working... trying to get a tank flowing 
that has been allowed to cake up is no simple task... lots of physical work 
to break up what ever is keeping the valve plugged and lots of mess when 
you finally break it loose..and you lose a lot of capacity by having a mass 
that doesn't go out the valve in the tank.... much easier to keep the tank 
working ....

You can buy a fitting for the faucet in the bathroom sink that will let you 
use a short piece of hose with a wand attached that is sold at most RV 
stores that will flush out the tank through the foot valve in the base of 
the toilet... keeps from having to take out screens, drag out a big hose 
and find a faucet you can attach the hose to...The convenience is worth 
more than the cost of the wand... I have noticed a lot of the new trailers 
are fitted with a flush fitting that makes the use of a hose on the outside 
more convenient...

As someone pointed out... not a big deal, just part of camper life...

Jim







At 12:51 PM 12/7/2003, you wrote:
>Hi lexxy
>>  I just have a blackwater tank and a drain for grey water so I assume I
>>need one of those big rolling plastic tank things to collect the grey
>>water or black water and dispose of it as required?  I guess I just need
>>to rinse it real clean after having to use it for black water
>>transporting and use some chemicals to keep it fresh.
>
>I don't think most folks use the blue meanie for black water.  They don't 
>drain all that well, and I would be afraid of it stinking while it's 
>riding in the truck.

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:56:17 -0500
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Potty Talk

Is this a great list or what!!!!!!! The first time I took my 03 Safari 
out I hooked up the fresh water hose to the black tank "No Fuss Flush 
outlet"!!! It said water outlet on it so I thought that's where the 
fresh water hose went. I turned on the water at a good pressure and 
went inside to turn on a faucet, odd, no water came out. Went back 
outside and could hear plenty of water running and while I was 
scratching my chin wondering why,  my daughter yelled from inside " the 
toilet's overflowing!!!!" Good thing we hadn't christened the 
facilities yet!

My 54 FC is SO MUCH simpler to understand!


Patti
Long Island, NY
1954 Flying Cloud
2003 Safari
02 2500 Suburban
WBCCI # 3321
Washington DC Unit
VAC

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:56:51 +0000
From: satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Toilet paper in your black water tank

I love dis list
      Pete
> That's gonna fill up the black tank in a hurry !
> 
> Daisy
> 
> michelle wrote:
> 
> > A bidet is the best way to go. rig one up in the tub or shower with a hose.
> > Michelle
> > 
> > "People will forget what you said. People will forget what you do. People
> > will never forget how you made them feel."
> > 
> > Well, after the flurry of "I wouldn't touch that subject" has subsided,
> > I would note that us ladies account for a whole bunch of tp use in
> > general so before I get any more specific, perhaps we should take this
> > offline?
> > Jo Ann
> > 
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:05:19 -0600
From: "David R. Warner, Jr" <david@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water tank stories

I truly hope that you mistyped and do not really just dump your "black tank 
right into the ground."!

_DAVID WARNER

At 12:51 PM 12/7/2003, you wrote:

>Hi lexxy
>>  I just have a blackwater tank and a drain for grey water so I assume I
>>need one of those big rolling plastic tank things to collect the grey
>>water or black water and dispose of it as required?  I guess I just need
>>to rinse it real clean after having to use it for black water
>>transporting and use some chemicals to keep it fresh.
>
>If you are at a campground with a sewer hook up, you put the slinky 
>hose  from the outlet of the trailer into the hole. The grey water just 
>goes down the hole. The black tank can go for nearly a week. Keep that 
>valve closed until the tank is quite full, and don't be stingy with the 
>water to flush. It needs to stay sloshy.  You can either dump the black 
>tank right into the ground , followed by a good rush of water through the 
>hose or take the trailer to the dump station.
>
>If you are not at a sewer hook up, you need the blue meanie to hold the 
>grey water.  I have a 5 gal that takes me a day to fill, then I can empty 
>it easily.  The big ones are way heavy when full.
>
>I don't think most folks use the blue meanie for black water.  They don't 
>drain all that well, and I would be afraid of it stinking while it's 
>riding in the truck.
>
>Daisy
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:06:55 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Toilet paper in your black water tank

Since I quit using Sears Roebuck catalogues and corn cobs I have never had 
any paper provlems in my black water tanks.
Jim Smith

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:50:31 -0500
From: Dick Kenan <as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] black water tank stories

At 08:05 PM 12/7/2003, you wrote:
>I truly hope that you mistyped and do not really just dump your "black tank
>right into the ground."!
>
>_DAVID WARNER

That was written under the heading for when you have a sewer connection 
(and, presumably, are connected to it) hence "into" the ground, not "onto" 
the ground...I also did a double take when I read that.  You're right - 
careful language about handling black water is important, as newbies and 
innocents are reading.

- - Dick
(5368)

"The trouble with most folks isn't so much their ignorance, as knowing so 
many things that ain't so."
- -- Josh Billings
- ---------------------------------------
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
mailto:as5368@xxxxxxxxxx.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~as5368/ 

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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:56:41 -0800
From: "Jim O'Keefe" <designerjimo@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #74 - Diesels

>From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #74 - Diesels
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:04:57 GMT
>
>What are (is) the advantage(s) of diesel engines in RV and personal travel 
>service?
>

Folks see, hear, and smell you coming and going at the RV park--it's the RV 
equivalant of rap "music."

We don't want them banned entirely, just from 10pm to 8am.

Jim, JR, and Jezebel (the standard poodle)

'85 Limited 32'
'03 Avalanche 2500

Tramview Park, Cathedral City, CA

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