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VAL Digest V1 #76



VAL Digest          Monday, November 24 2003          Volume 01 : Number 076




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] testing lights
Re: [VAL] Al Grayson, re: your - Diesels
[VAL] Vintage decorations
[VAL] Wet carpet - simple solution
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #74 - Diesels
Re: [VAL] Vintage decorations
Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle
Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle
Re: [VAL] Al Grayson, re: your - Diesels
Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle
RE: [VAL] Al Grayson, re: your - Diesels
Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle
[VAL] Airstreaming in High Water
[VAL] Waste Water Valves

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:03:00 -0600
From: "Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.isunet.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] testing lights

A lamp sustituted for the fuse acts as a current limiter and an indicator. Its not suitable 
for a permanent use, but great for testing. Its resistance (when hot) limits the short circuit 
current to about 4 amps. I keep one around screwed into a switched receptacle mounted on a handy 
box (actually a fuse/switch combination often used for a residential gas furnace supply at the 
furnace) with extended flexible wires with alligator clips on their ends.

The lamp, when cold, has a much lower resistance, about 0.2 ohms, and so lets there be little 
voltage drop for a few amps of marker light load.

When the test lamp lights it shows the presence of the short. Its not quite as fast an indicater 
than the fuse, but its much more visible and less destructive.

Its important for testing marker lights that the lamp be a 50 watt lamp made for 12 volts, not 
for 120 volts. They are usually on the shelf in the RV department of Walmart, and probably in RV 
stores also. Looks just like a 50 - 100 watt 120 volt lamp with edison base.

Michelle said the fuse has zero resistance, that's not quite true, the fuse has a low resistance 
but it needs some resistance so it heats to melt the fusable element. Most all conductors have 
resistance, except those low temperature super conductors.

Gerald J.

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From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Date:  Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:02:47 -0500

>Interesting, how does the bulb work? Does it just stay off when there is a
>short? How does it protect the wiring from a short?
>Thankyou,
>Jim

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:00:54 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Al Grayson, re: your - Diesels

wellsaid 
JIM SMITH

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:14:33 -0500
From: "jyoung" <jyoung@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Vintage decorations

Hi VAC members

Recently I came across a few old National Geographic magazines. My wife & I
think they would make good decorations for when showing our vintage trailers.
I'm keeping the one that matches one of our trailers and am offering the
remaining three to
any people that would like a magazine to match their trailer.

I have one each of July 1967, July 1968, & August 1968 to give away.

I will respond off list to the first the individuals asking for a specific
issue. If I don't respond to your e-mail, that means someone beat you to the
requested issue. I'm asking to be reimbursed only for my shipping cost to your
home.

Please reply off list to jyoung@xxxxxxxxxx.com.

John Young
WBCCI & VAC # 6034
1958 22' Caravanner
1974 25' Tradewind
Northern Lower MI.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 10:33:07 -0500
From: Terry Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Wet carpet - simple solution

Hi Guys,

This morning when I went into the bathroom to shave, my left foot stepped on
wet carpet. Gads, that wasn't my favorite way to start the day.

First things first. Unroll a yard of towel paper, sop up the water and get
the area dry. It took nearly an entire roll of paper.

What caused the wetness? I looked toward the living room and asked our cats
which one of them left me a present. Neither paid any attention to me (no
signs of guilt), so I gave the towel paper a quick sniff test (still not one
of my favorite ways to start the day). Smelled like ordinary water with a
carpet fragrance. What did I expect?

Next came the flashlight and dry paper towel inspection of all plumbing in
the bathroom followed by turning on and off each faucet while looking for
even the slightest sign of wetness. None of the faucets were wet, none of
the water lines under the faucets were wet, the toilet pedal wasn't wet nor
was there wetness on any surface anywhere near any of the plumbing lines.

Next came an inspection of the shower plumbing (with a mirror and flashlight
I can see the plumbing in back of the cabinet). With fingers feeling around
behind the cabinet I felt for dampness. None was found.

Both cats were still snoozing. By chance I touched the area where I'd just
dried and it was sopping wet. Right about then Sandie mentioned the trailer
seemed low at the back and asked me to check it after I finished shaving.

Bingo! I knew the source of the water. It's funny how a simple comment can
right the bells. Sure enough, my gallon of distilled water was empty. I had
stored it on the floor forward of the bathroom along with canned goods.

The rubbing of cans against the side of the plastic gallon jug had worn a
small hole in the jug, it drained toward the back of the trailer and pooled
in front of the bathroom sink.

A half hour later with another roll of towel paper and more wiping up of wet
distilled water and we were dry (well almost - somewhat?).  A few more days
of sunny weather like today with all windows open should do it.

Once burned -- I've learned,

Terry

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:57:30 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #74 - Diesels

Al,

Most say the break even point is around 200k miles. I have a Ford f250 SD
diesel with 150K so I
am close. No problems so far.  I think since the time you owned a diesel,
they have come a long way.
They have less problems than before, are far cleaner than ever and getting
better all the time. With
each new model year, less and less noise. Have you heard the new Dodge? You
can't! Even better
than the Chevy and Ford! Don't know why you change your oil more often, me
every 5K-7,500K.
Plus they have a much better resale. You can not give away a gas model here
in the Shenandoah Valley
of VA.

Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU


>
> Has anyone run a cost comparison between the same vehicle in gas and
diesel versions (RV or other heavy trailer pulling service)?
>
> Al Grayson
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:18:39 EST
From: Klingerswall@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vintage decorations

Hello:

    I would be interested in the July 1967 issue and would be more than happy 
to pay the shipping costs. Please let me know if it is still available and 
what the cost will be. Thanks.

Linda

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:23:20 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle

I managed to shoehorn in some powermax 8 ply st 225/75 R 15 tires with much
dificulty -once in they fit clear ok - and were no more difficult to get in than
the really weathercracked 700/15 truck tires were to get off . I cant imagine
doing it on the side of the road .What was wally thinking ?
   What brand /size tire is everyone using on 63 safari flying cloud 22ft
trailers ? I`d like to stay with st radials if I can - although I dont like the
losing 2+ inches ground clearance as the radials are 4 inches less in diameter .

Chris 63 flying cloud

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 15:43:23 -0600
From: "Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.isunet.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle

What load per tire?

I'm using ST205-75/R15 on my trailers and I welcome the added fender clearance. The tire's I've bought 
this year have cost me $59.95 and are rated at 1820 pounds each at 50 psi. Fits just fine in my Caravel 
and on my flat bed made from a Monitor. The radial won't swell as much as a bias ply so fits better and 
won't fill up the space between the "nominal" tire size and the sparce Airstream fender well. With spares, 
I now own 8 of the critters.

Gerald J.

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From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Date:  Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:23:20 -0500

>I managed to shoehorn in some powermax 8 ply st 225/75 R 15 tires with much
>dificulty -once in they fit clear ok - and were no more difficult to get in than
>the really weathercracked 700/15 truck tires were to get off . I cant imagine
>doing it on the side of the road .What was wally thinking ?
>   What brand /size tire is everyone using on 63 safari flying cloud 22ft
>trailers ? I`d like to stay with st radials if I can - although I dont like the
>losing 2+ inches ground clearance as the radials are 4 inches less in diameter .
>
>Chris 63 flying cloud
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 16:51:20 -0500
From: <lindner.1@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Al Grayson, re: your - Diesels

11/22/2003 7:40:51 PM, T o m <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:

>Seems like you really just wanted to bitch 

Must we personalize?

            -- Lew #4239

'72 Safari
Custom Coach Megatow

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:52:30 -0500
From: Chris Elliott <celliott@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle

Gerald J
the ones I just got were load range d - 2540 per tire . They are 225 /75 15 .Should give me over 
1700 lbs payload (I would never need half that much ) and be rated less than the rims are so they 
wont split . But i had to use the sheetmetal shoehorn trick to get them in .
   Check out http://www.denmantire.com/catalog-choice.php , 
they have 8 ply 205 , I think I`ll try those on my 67  caravel next , but they arent quite rated 
enough for the flying cloud which is 3305 dry and would be 1 inch shorter yet also I have 6 inch 
wide rims .
  thanks for the reply
Chris


Gerald Johnson wrote:

> What load per tire?
>
> I'm using ST205-75/R15 on my trailers and I welcome the added fender clearance. The tire's 
I've bought this year have cost me $59.95 and are rated at 1820 pounds each at 50 psi. Fits just 
fine in my Caravel

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:17:52 -0500
From: "T o m" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Al Grayson, re: your - Diesels

11/22/2003 7:40:51 PM, T o m <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:

>Seems like you really just wanted to bitch 



Must we personalize?

            -- Lew #4239


It gets personal when all things diesel are berated don't you think?  Lots
of us do feel as I posted.

Tom #5303

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:22:36 -0700
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] !@#$><&*^% tires for 63 single axle

Don't know if you tried this, but if you deflate them, they go on pretty
easy.  As for a flat on the road, I carried a 12 volt compressor with me.

Ken J.

At 02:23 PM 11/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I managed to shoehorn in some powermax 8 ply st 225/75 R 15 tires with much
>dificulty -once in they fit clear ok - and were no more difficult to get
in than
>the really weathercracked 700/15 truck tires were to get off . I cant imagine
>doing it on the side of the road .What was wally thinking ?
>   What brand /size tire is everyone using on 63 safari flying cloud 22ft
>trailers ? I`d like to stay with st radials if I can - although I dont
like the
>losing 2+ inches ground clearance as the radials are 4 inches less in
diameter .
>
>Chris 63 flying cloud
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:55:04 -0600
From: "Ned P. Digh" <npdigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Airstreaming in High Water

Last Wednesday, while in a RV park in Burke County, NC, we were awakened
before daylight and told to move to higher ground.  Our camp site was on an
island in the center of the RV park, which was officially closed for the
season, but the owner keeps several sites open until mores severe Winter
weather arrives.  Hooking up in the dark and rain with a flashlight was not
fun, but the adrenalin was flowing as our informant, the assistant manager of
the park, said one bridge was out and he expected the one to the island to be
covered soon as the additional rainfall came down from the mountains.    Our
host waited and led us to the outer rim of the park where there were sites
with electricity.  We were able to get into dry clothes, have breakfast and
were really quite comfortable, but had begun to think of alternate plans to
get home and go back for the Airstream.   After a bit, it was discovered that
the main bridge was not out, but covered with debris and a huge log blocking
the under bridge channels.   The owner then brought in his backhoe and began
to clear the bridge of the debris and haul some gravel fill for the approaches
to the bridge, which had partially washed out.   We were then on our way back
to Missouri without further incidents.  The irony is that I was raised in this
area and used to swim in that creek every Summer, but I never experienced a
flash flood there, I guess we stayed home when in rained.  Ned Digh

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 23:18:23 -0600
From: "Ned P. Digh" <npdigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Waste Water Valves

Several weeks ago, I believe it was Elisa that asked about unsticking  stuck
waste valves.  I wrote then that I was having limited success with septic tank
enzxmes, but still had some dripping leakage.  I can now report that the
enzymes worked, no drip and no sewage in the end cap when I remove it to dump.
This was done with one can of septic tank enzyme material, cheapest brand on
the shelf.  When not using our trailer, I made sure the end cap was on, the
valves closed as much as possible and put in a couple of gallons of water in
both the gray and black waste tanks with a couple of table spoons of the
enzyme, so the dump valves would be immersed.  On the next trip,  with each
dump I could tell the valves were closing easier and felt more closed.  After
a week back at home with the soaking method, the valves quit leaking.  We have
Just completed 2 eight day trips with a week at home in between and the valves
work  normally with no leakage.  Next I am going to look at the ingredients of
a wetting agent, like that used in dishwashers, I am wondering if that will
serve to lubricate the slide surfaces.  Any experts out there on wetting
agents?  Ned Digh

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