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VAL Digest          Monday, November 10 2003          Volume 01 : Number 062




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
[VAL] Re: North Jersey
Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
[VAL] Introduction
[VAL] 1957 Window Parts
Re: [VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills
Re: [VAL] 1957 Window Parts
Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
[VAL] Touareg 'tow-vehicle' - not.
Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
[VAL] RE: 

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:43:43 -0500
From: "Dave Mills" <davemills60@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

We are looking at a new tow vehicle, possibly the ne VW Tourareg.  It 
supposedly can tow 6700 pounds which would, of course, be fine with our 67 
Globetrotter but there has been a to do over VW's having problems, albethem 
with larger AS's than ours, because the tongue weight of the trailer was too 
great for theTouareg maximum of 616 lb.  Can anyone one tell what our tongue 
weight is?  Thanks, Dave Mills

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 10:32:06 -0500
From: Patricia Raimondo <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: North Jersey

Hey Chris,

I live on Long Island and occasionally go in your direction. When I get 
my 54 FC back I'll swing by your way to come take a look!

I'm hoping to pick the FC up at the plant during my Feb. vacation from 
school. Anyone know of a place to get solar panels installed in-between 
Ohio and NY? I'm aiming for having "Pearl" completely self-sufficient in 
time for boondocking my way to the International and a summer out west.

Patti

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 09:28:17 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

The '68 Globetrotter is listed as weighing 3010 pounds with 398 pounds
tongue weight (page 109, http://homepages.isunet.net/geraldj). Remember
its easy to add 1000 to 1500 pounds with water and provisions and tools.
Tongue weight is going to depend a great deal on how you load it. You
NEED tongue weight to keep the hitch stable so the trailer doesn't
wander

When the tow vehicle is touchy about tongue weight you need a load
equalizing hitch more than with a sturdy tow vehicle to transfer tongue
weight back to the front wheels.

Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:19:58 -0600
From: Kurt Anderson <kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.archetypegroup.com>
Subject: [VAL] Introduction

Good Morning All:

I have been a subscriber to the VAL list for about a month. My Partner Paul
and I have a 2003 CCD International and have recently purchased, what was
described as a 1959 Airstream beach camper, it was used to sell snowboards
out of also. It was gutted. Nothing original remains with the exception  of
the metal kitchen cabinet. It has a very good exterior, no major dents, but
is truly in the need of a make over.

With the help of a friend and Vintage Airstream Trailer owner himself,
(thanks Kris and Dick), a website, some photos, and a serial number we
determined what we purchased was a 1957 Flying Cloud built in California.

Until recently Irene (2003 CCD International) and Flying Cloud ( waiting for
a better name) have been sitting side by side in our driveway. You can see a
picture of the two of them by going to
http://airstream.com/company/history.html
And click on the randomizer button until Irene and Flying Cloud appear.

Now with Irene in winter storage Flying Cloud is awaiting the promised make
over.

The list is great, I am amazed by what I learned already without asking a
question. Thanks to the wonderful people who put this together and everyone
who helps answer questions. Awesome job. And now on with the work.

Thanks

Kurt
Paul
2003 CCD International
1957 Flying Cloud

Kurt Anderson
Archetype Group Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI  54301
920-437-3700
Fax 920-437-3701


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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 12:38:57 -0600
From: Kurt Anderson <kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.archetypegroup.com>
Subject: [VAL] 1957 Window Parts

Hello List:

Does anyone know where I can obtain windows and window parts for a 1957
Flying Cloud? I need everything from cranks, to arms, to entire window
frames if available.

Thanks

Kurt
2003 CCD International
1957 Flying Cloud

Kurt Anderson
Archetype Group Inc
126 Pine St., Suite 301
Green Bay, WI  54301
920-437-3700
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:41:35 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills

It was nice seeing photos of the SOB's as well as the Airstreams. I didn't
realize they were invited to VAC functions until I saw this post and then
went back to the VAC web page and read the rules.
Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:08 PM
Subject: [VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills


> Rally report now available on the VAC Site!
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> http://www.airstream.net/rallies/03-duncans_mills/
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> Thanks!
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:06:29 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1957 Window Parts

Kurt, while you may be able to find cranks and arms at an Airstream dealer
that has been around for 40 years (Ace Fogdall in Cedar Falls, Iowa) you
would have to be extreemly get lucky to find a window frame. Your best bet
for that would be a trailer that is too far gone to restore. However, most
likely you will need to purchase a new modern window and install it in the
old openings.

Scott

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From: "Kurt Anderson" <kurt@xxxxxxxxxx.archetypegroup.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: [VAL] 1957 Window Parts


> Hello List:
>
> Does anyone know where I can obtain windows and window parts for a 1957
> Flying Cloud? I need everything from cranks, to arms, to entire window
> frames if available.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kurt
> 2003 CCD International
> 1957 Flying Cloud

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:12:29 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

Dave,

Let me start by saying that I really like VW's (I have owned 4 so far).

While the trailer may meet VW's requirements for weight I would be extreemly
leery of purchasing a VW to tow anything larger than a small utility
trailer. They (at least in this country) have no experience in manufacturing
large vehicles, let alone something heavy duty enough to withstand the
rigors of towing.

Scott

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From: "Dave Mills" <davemills60@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:43 AM
Subject: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter


> We are looking at a new tow vehicle, possibly the ne VW Tourareg.  It
> supposedly can tow 6700 pounds which would, of course, be fine with our 67
> Globetrotter but there has been a to do over VW's having problems,
albethem
> with larger AS's than ours, because the tongue weight of the trailer was
too
> great for theTouareg maximum of 616 lb.  Can anyone one tell what our
tongue
> weight is?  Thanks, Dave Mills

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:46:57 -0800
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Touareg 'tow-vehicle' - not.

cross-posting this from the Airstream list - this was a 'Shame On You' item
from NYC's CBS-TV:

http://cbsnewyork.com/siteSearch/local_story_303155456.html

tuna

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:25:15 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

Hi Dave,
I believe that VW has removed that ad that shows the Toureg pulling an 
AS. Like many folks selling vehicules, they implied the towing capacity 
was sufficient..  While the Toureg on paper might be able to tow 
atotally empty trailer, the truth is it's too little. You can use it to 
get accross town, on the level, but on the highway, on hills, in bad 
weather, you don't have any margin of safety.  The weight of the tow 
vehicule and the length of its wheel base are just as important as so 
called tow ratings.


Maybe someone can give us examples of  the difference between the 
printed numbers and reality of trailer weights.

I wouldn't like to be near a rig that iffy on the highway, let alone in it.

Daisy '73 29' Ambassador
1996 Dodge RAM diesel monster truck. No white knuckles.

Dave Mills wrote:

> We are looking at a new tow vehicle, possibly the ne VW Tourareg.  It 
> supposedly can tow 6700 pounds which would, of course, be fine with our 
> 67 Globetrotter but there has been a to do over VW's having problems, 
> albethem with larger AS's than ours, because the tongue weight of the 
> trailer was too great for theTouareg maximum of 616 lb.  Can anyone one 
> tell what our tongue weight is?  Thanks, Dave Mills
> 
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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 18:08:54 -0700
From: "gshippen" <gshippen@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

Scott and Dave,

Much to my surprise I witnessed a small SUV towing a late model tandem axle
Airstream along I90 recently.  Since I don't keep track of smaller SUVs I
don't know what brand it was.  But definitely looked like the proverbial ant
pulling the watermellon arrangement!  GAS
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From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter


> Dave,
>
> Let me start by saying that I really like VW's (I have owned 4 so far).
>
> While the trailer may meet VW's requirements for weight I would be
extreemly
> leery of purchasing a VW to tow anything larger than a small utility
> trailer. They (at least in this country) have no experience in
manufacturing
> large vehicles, let alone something heavy duty enough to withstand the
> rigors of towing.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Mills" <davemills60@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:43 AM
> Subject: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
>
>
> > We are looking at a new tow vehicle, possibly the ne VW Tourareg.  It
> > supposedly can tow 6700 pounds which would, of course, be fine with our
67
> > Globetrotter but there has been a to do over VW's having problems,
> albethem
> > with larger AS's than ours, because the tongue weight of the trailer was
> too
> > great for theTouareg maximum of 616 lb.  Can anyone one tell what our
> tongue
> > weight is?  Thanks, Dave Mills
>
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:37:54 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

At the International in VT I saw a triple axle being pulled by an 
similar ant. I have a photo to prove it.

daisy

gshippen wrote:

> Scott and Dave,
> 
> Much to my surprise I witnessed a small SUV towing a late model tandem axle
> Airstream along I90 recently.  Since I don't keep track of smaller SUVs I
> don't know what brand it was.  But definitely looked like the proverbial ant
> pulling the watermellon arrangement!  GAS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
> 
> 
> 
>>Dave,
>>
>>Let me start by saying that I really like VW's (I have owned 4 so far).
>>
>>While the trailer may meet VW's requirements for weight I would be
> 
> extreemly
> 
>>leery of purchasing a VW to tow anything larger than a small utility
>>trailer. They (at least in this country) have no experience in
> 
> manufacturing
> 
>>large vehicles, let alone something heavy duty enough to withstand the
>>rigors of towing.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dave Mills" <davemills60@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:43 AM
>>Subject: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter
>>
>>
>>
>>>We are looking at a new tow vehicle, possibly the ne VW Tourareg.  It
>>>supposedly can tow 6700 pounds which would, of course, be fine with our
> 
> 67
> 
>>>Globetrotter but there has been a to do over VW's having problems,
>>
>>albethem
>>
>>>with larger AS's than ours, because the tongue weight of the trailer was
>>
>>too
>>
>>>great for theTouareg maximum of 616 lb.  Can anyone one tell what our
>>
>>tongue
>>
>>>weight is?  Thanks, Dave Mills
>>
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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:24:15 -0700 (MST)
From: forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tongue Weight for our 67 Globetrotter

Dave,

We tow a '66 Globe Trotter. This last summer I bought a special scale to get an
accurate reading of hitch weight. It turns out that the factory spec (of about
390 #'s) is without water, without propane and tanks, without spare tire etc.
With those items my hitch weight was 595 lbs. I went straight out and bought a
weight distribution setup to increase my tow vehicle's hitch capacity from 600
lbs. to 800 lbs. As someone else in the thread stated there is also more to
consider when towing. A long wheel base is key to reducing sway and having
control. Many of the new SUV's have the capacity but that doesn't necessarily
make them good tow vehicles. 4x4 SUV's tend to have shorter wheelbases to
achieve tight turning ability. Ours is an F-150 Supercrew, which is a really
good match to our '66 GT in terms of horsepower, weight, braking, and gas milage.

Forrest

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 21:57:58 -0500
From: "Edward Emerick" <EEMERICK@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] RE: 

Hello,
I have a 68 Sovereign with a little over $15,000 in it and a 59 Traveler
that is a 1/3 completed with a little over $5,000 at this point. My goal
is to keep it under $10,000.
Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425

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I am beginning to restore my '68 Overlander (26') Can anyone give me an
aprox  price on a project like this with only the bare essentials in
mind ie frame repair, floor replacement, toilet/plumbing restoration
etc...? Thanks. 

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