VAL Digest V1 #59

VAL Digest          Friday, November 7 2003          Volume 01 : Number 059




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] Repost link to pictures of window awnings
Fw: [VAL] Curtis Wright Industries info.
Re: [VAL] RE: Questions about 1953 A/S
RE: [VAL] Questions
RE: [VAL] Switch by door
RE: [VAL] Questions
RE: [VAL] Questions
[VAL] ball size...
RE: [VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills
Re: [VAL] ball size...
Re: [VAL] ball size...
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
RE: [VAL] Command Center was Switch by door
Re: [VAL] ball size...
Re: [VAL] ball size and command center
[VAL] cheap ivory face plates
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
RE: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] ball size...
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] Curtis Wright Industries info.
Re: [VAL] ball size...
Re: [VAL] ball size...
Re: [VAL] Repost link to pictures of window awnings
Re: [VAL] RE: Questions about 1953 A/S
Re: [VAL] Questions
[VAL] 1953 19' GT

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:55:19 -0800
From: "Stephanie Roberts" <stefrobrts@stephanies-mustang.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Repost link to pictures of window awnings

> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 15:00:19 -0500
> From: "Elisa" <vxn@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] More about those awnings...
>
> Could you repost the original link to the photos of these
> awnings?  Thanks,
> Elisa
> 76 Argosy 20
>

On my '68 Caravel's website at http://www.stephanies-mustang.com/caravel/

On the Cool Stuff To Do To The Outside page, and the Table Mountain trip
report.

Stephanie
Battle Ground, WA

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:21:44 -0600
From: "Tom Patterson" <tomp@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Fw: [VAL] Curtis Wright Industries info.

Here you go Doug.  I think that Fred Coldwell, who is the historian for the
Vintage Airstream Club, has a full and complete answer to your question.  I
myself am looking forward to your book when it is published next year with
all the photos of these aluminum beauties.

Thanks for your help Fred.

- -Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Coldwell" <Agrijeep@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtis Wright Industries info.


> Tom:
>
>    The correct name of the trailer manufacturer that Wally
> Byam worked for immediately after WW II is Curtis Wright
> Industries with one "s".  That company is named after its
> founder, an individual "Curtis Wright". It has no known
> relationship to the company formed from the WW I era merger
> of Glenn
> Curtiss and the Wright Brothers aircraft interests.
>
>    The description from the VAC Fredericksburg 2000 rally
> program is incorrect, and its original source, Bud Cooper,
> has now revised his data to reflect the correct company name
> having a single "s" in Curtis and "Industries" instead of
> "Corporation."
>
>    The correct name "Curtis Wright Industries" appears in
> many contemporary (1947) magazine ads showing the new C-W
> "Clipper" model trailers.  Additionally, there is a short
> article titled "Wright Enters Third Year" beginning on page
> 55 in the July 1946 issue of Trail-R-News magazine
> discussing Curtis Wright Industries' trailer production,
> which began with "homosote" trailers in 1944.  The earliest
> magazine ad I am presently aware of for the all aluminum C-W
> Clipper appeared on page 85 in the February 1947 issue of
> Trail-R-News magazine.
>
>    As a general historical research rule, primary source
> materials such as contemporary magazine ads and articles are
> usually far more reliable than secondary source materials
> such as general descriptions published more than 50 years
> later.
>
>     To help document his caption or description, Doug may
> wish to include in his new book a small photograph of a
> Curtis Wright Industries data oe serial number tag besides
> the photo(s) of a C-W Clipper aluminum trailer.
>
> Fred Coldwell
> VAC Archive Historian

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:23:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Tognetti <ctognetti59@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: Questions about 1953 A/S

Hi Jason,
 
Don't know of any family in MI.
 
I'm really starting to catch the bug with this.  Is there a cure?  Having taken a 
little better look I think the floor is only bad around the door.  Still need the 
weekend to clean it out and really start poking around.
 
Chris




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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 05:32:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Tognetti <ctognetti59@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Questions

RJ,
I did some searching on it and found out that it's a TradeWind.  The shell is 21 to 
22 feet long.  The Serial # is 249118.  Looks like it had a few mods done to it over 
the years.  Mostly with wiring and plumping hook ups being moved.  As to the year of 
the Airstream I haven't found anything dated on it yet but I'm going by what the owner 
said.
 
Chris
53 TradeWind



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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:02:01 -0700
From: "Jim Cooper" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Switch by door

Several of you with 68's have pump switches in the "command center".  My
67 TW doesn't have a command center.  If it did, would it be over the
front window?  I have completely rebuilt that cabinet.  There was no
sign of a command panel in the original.  What function does the panel
provide?  Can someone provide a picture of one?

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
   
 

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> Subject: RE: [VAL] Switch by door
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Just wanted to let you know that the pump switch is up front in the
> command
> center.  The switch for the flood light is next to the window.  It
seems
> that the switch by the door should operate either the middle light in
the
> trailer or the light over the sink.  I guess my real question is do
the
> wires for this switch hook directly to the light, or do they run
through
> the
> command center?  (for a 69 Sovereign)
> 
> 
> you wouldn't want it running if the tank was
> >empty.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >    Jim
> >
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 07:10:53 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Questions

Htris,
That makes it a 1959 24 foot Tradewind (first year for that length &
model) made in Ohio factory.  187 were made in Ohio that year, of which
yours being #118 was probably made the Summer of '59.
Best of luck,
RJ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctognetti59@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:ctognetti59@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:32 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: RE: [VAL] Questions
>
>
> RJ,
> I did some searching on it and found out that it's a
> TradeWind.  The shell is 21 to 22 feet long.  The Serial # is
> 249118.  Looks like it had a few mods done to it over the
> years.  Mostly with wiring and plumping hook ups being moved.
>  As to the year of the Airstream I haven't found anything
> dated on it yet but I'm going by what the owner said.
>
> Chris
> 53 TradeWind

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Tognetti <ctognetti59@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Questions

RJ,
Thanks for the info.  I Guess they count the tonge in trailer lenth.  With 187 being 
made it makes you wonder how many are left out there.
 
Is there a way of searching back past owners?  I know the past owner has had it for 
about 10 to 15 years maybe more.
 
This weekend I'll try to clean it out and see what it will really take to restore it.
 
Chris
59 Tradewind 24'

RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
Htris,
That makes it a 1959 24 foot Tradewind (first year for that length &
model) made in Ohio factory. 187 were made in Ohio that year, of which
yours being #118 was probably made the Summer of '59.
Best of luck,
RJ



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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 09:46:31 -0800
From: Sharon Chaytor <sharonbc@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] ball size...

....of a 1968 22' Safari.

I know it is not a 2 5/16, which I have. Tried measuring, but not sure 
about where to measure inside the ball. Figure I would come here and ask, 
instead of going to the store and buying five different sizes of balls.

Sharon, lurking in BC

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:01:36 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills

Just got around to checking the rally report out - excellent job!
Congrats to Amanda Meeker (VAC rally reporter) and Toby (VAC webmaster).

Even those who didn't attend ought to check it ought - the "Interiors"
section is a very nice touch, too.  There's a lot of trailers in one
place...

Later,
RJ

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> From: toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:09 PM
> To: toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com; valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills
>
>
> Rally report now available on the VAC Site!
>
> http://www.airstream.net/rallies/03-duncans_mills/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Toby Folwick
> VAC Webmaster

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:06:27 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size...

> ....of a 1968 22' Safari.
>
> I know it is not a 2 5/16, which I have. Tried measuring, but not sure
> about where to measure inside the ball. Figure I would come here and ask,
> instead of going to the store and buying five different sizes of balls.
>
> Sharon, lurking in BC

2" most likely.
Colin

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:13:11 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size...

> ....of a 1968 22' Safari.
>
> I know it is not a 2 5/16, which I have. Tried measuring, but not sure
> about where to measure inside the ball. Figure I would come here and ask,
> instead of going to the store and buying five different sizes of balls.
>
> Sharon, lurking in BC

Sharon:

2"

GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:18:08 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Switch by door

> I've been following this thread, and it seems that I am the only one who
> mentioned a switch above their door (67 Tradewind) that turns on power
> to the water pump.  Is this unique?  I assume all A/S's have a switch
> for the pump somewhere -- you wouldn't want it running if the tank was
> empty.
>
> Best Regards,
>    Jim

Hey Jim:

You must not have the manual for it.  My manual has the wiring diagrams
(crude but fairly accurate) for your model.  Is depicted on a plan layout of
the trailer and gives the general location of stuff.  Want me to scan and
send it to you?

GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:19:25 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Amanda Meeker <goldens510@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Command Center was Switch by door

In my '68, it's over the fridge. Don't know about the '67s. In addition to the pump 
switch, it has the polarity light, another light that comes on when you're plugged 
into shore power, and I forget what else. I've got a closeup picture at home I could 
send you later, but you can sort of see it at the right-hand side of this picture: 
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/ameeker/galley.jpg

Best,

Amanda
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cooper <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Nov 6, 2003 7:02 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Switch by door

Several of you with 68's have pump switches in the "command center".  My
67 TW doesn't have a command center.  If it did, would it be over the
front window?  I have completely rebuilt that cabinet.  There was no
sign of a command panel in the original.  What function does the panel
provide?  Can someone provide a picture of one?

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 12:33:19 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size...

My '68 manual page 109 (missing for some reason from most) says 2". That
page is on my web page http://homepages.isunet.net/geraldj.

Be sure to acquire a ball with a sturdy shank. 2" balls are also made
with a skinny shank to fit hitches made for smaller balls and lighter
loads.

Gerald J.
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Reproduction by permission only.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:08:03 -0800
From: Sharon Chaytor <sharonbc@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size and command center

Thanks for the quick replies, folks.

My 68/69 (Can't remember which) does not have a command center either. What 
it does have is a bunch of switches on the kickboard under the fridge. Now, 
did Airstream use those cheap ivory face plates?

Sharon, in BC 

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:16:22 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: [VAL] cheap ivory face plates

 Now, 
> did Airstream use those cheap ivory face plates?

My 66 Safari has "those cheap ivory face plates" as well.
Colin

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:18:29 -0800
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Switch by door

> You must not have the manual for it.  My manual has the wiring diagrams
> (crude but fairly accurate) for your model.  Is depicted on a plan layout
of
> the trailer and gives the general location of stuff.  Want me to scan and
> send it to you?
>
> GQ '67 Safari
> 4082 in CA

GQ,
Could you send the diagram to me as well please.
Thanks,
Colin
66 Safari
etc.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:34:18 -0600
From: "William Durkee" <bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Switch by door

Jim,

The Command Center in the 69 Sovereign has 5 switches
1. turn on a light to light the panel
2. pump switch
3. fresh water switch
4. black tank switch
5. battery level switch

There are 2 gauges one is an amp gauge the other is the battery level.  The 
amp gage always on and the battery level will indicate the level of the 
battery (good, fair, poor) when the battery level switch is pushed.

Above the switches is an area of lights.  There is a power on light or a 
polarity warning light.  The other lights indicate how full either of the 
tanks are when the corresponding switched is pushed.  At the top of the 
panel is a brass plate that holds a clock and I think a barometer.  You 
would know if that cabinet had a command center in it.  There is a plenty of 
wires that come to it.  Next to it is the breaker box for the 110 power.

This is all from memory I hope it helps you.  I do not have a picture.

Bill

>What function does the panel
>provide?  Can someone provide a picture of one?

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:46:16 -0600
From: "William Durkee" <bdkli@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size...

Sharon,

My 69 Sovereign is a 2" ball.  It is a small ball for todays standard but 
that is what they used back then.  I will bet yours is the same.

Bill


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>I know it is not a 2 5/16, which I have.

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:06:01 -0800
From: "Gary Quamen" <g_quamen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Switch by door

> GQ,
> Could you send the diagram to me as well please.
> Thanks,
> Colin
> 66 Safari
> etc.

Hi Colin:

Sure.  But be advised that the '66 is enough different that the diagram
might not be accurate.  Different layout in the bathroom for instance.  And
whatever else.  The '67s and '68s seem to be more alike in that regard.  But
it is surely better than nothing.

GQ '67 Safari
4082 in CA

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 15:35:43 -0500
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Curtis Wright Industries info.

Thank God for Fred Coldwell ! Lord knows what nonsense we would make up 
without the huge store of knowledge that he graciously shares.

Daisy

Fred Coldwell wrote:


>    The correct name of the trailer manufacturer that Wally
> Byam worked for immediately after WW II is Curtis Wright
> Industries with one "s".  That company is named after its
> founder, an individual "Curtis Wright". It has no known
> relationship to the company formed from the WW I era merger
> of Glenn
> Curtiss and the Wright Brothers aircraft interests. 

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:11:41 +0000
From: satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size...

acording to my book that matches the diagram Gerald posted on his web page Its a 2". 
and I agree with Geralds posting make sure you use the large shaft I believe the smaller 
shaft is only rated at 3,500 lbs. 
                             Pete 68 Tradewind
                             wbcci 6385
                             Vac pending
> > ....of a 1968 22' Safari.
> >
> > I know it is not a 2 5/16, which I have. Tried measuring, but not sure
> > about where to measure inside the ball. Figure I would come here and ask,
> > instead of going to the store and buying five different sizes of balls.
> >
> > Sharon, lurking in BC
> 
> Sharon:
> 
> 2"
> 
> GQ '67 Safari
> 4082 in CA
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:12:47 +0000
From: satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: Re: [VAL] ball size...

acording to my book that matches the diagram Gerald posted on his web page Its a 2". 
and I agree with Geralds posting make sure you use the large shaft I believe the smaller 
shaft is only rated at 3,500 lbs. 
                             Pete 68 Tradewind
                             wbcci 6385
                             Vac pending
> > ....of a 1968 22' Safari.
> >
> > I know it is not a 2 5/16, which I have. Tried measuring, but not sure
> > about where to measure inside the ball. Figure I would come here and ask,
> > instead of going to the store and buying five different sizes of balls.
> >
> > Sharon, lurking in BC
> 
> Sharon:
> 
> 2"
> 
> GQ '67 Safari
> 4082 in CA
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:15:38 -0800
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Repost link to pictures of window awnings

Stephanie:
    I loved the "geekier" photo the best. When I travel with my sister 
and dress like that, she calls me "Maudie" all day. (deep apologies to 
any authentic Maudies out there of course.) So when you opening your 
awning store? They are really cute and since nobody seems to be able to 
figure out how exactly you did it, you have a lock on the procedure. 
Get a patent and make me up a set for Bubbles!!
Jo Ann

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:22:25 EST
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] RE: Questions about 1953 A/S

IT MIGHT BE POSSABLE THAT PINITRATING EPOXY CAN MAKE A PERMANTE REPAIR THERE. 
jIM sMITH

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:23:48 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Questions

Hey Chris - welcome to the ownership of a '59 Trade Wind. There are just a
few of us on here. I would like to see pictures of your Ohio built unit. I
have the 114th one from the CA plant, dated 9/58. Congratulations! I know
you are going to love it.

Brad Norgaard
Phoenix
'59 Trade Wind Twin
VAC #2699, TCT 



> RJ,
> Thanks for the info.  I Guess they count the tonge in trailer lenth.  With 187
> being made it makes you wonder how many are left out there.
> 
> Is there a way of searching back past owners?  I know the past owner has had
> it for about 10 to 15 years maybe more.
> 
> This weekend I'll try to clean it out and see what it will really take to
> restore it.
> 
> Chris
> 59 Tradewind 24'
> 
> RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Htris,
> That makes it a 1959 24 foot Tradewind (first year for that length &
> model) made in Ohio factory. 187 were made in Ohio that year, of which
> yours being #118 was probably made the Summer of '59.
> Best of luck,
> RJ
> 
> 
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 21:40:46 -0800 (PST)
From: ThreePeaksRanch <threepeaksranch@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] 1953 19' GT

Chris;
Well...if you want a vintage Airstream, go for this one. If it's not some ridiculously 
outrageous price, you can fix it up and really enjoy this model. 
Good Luck...we're all here to help you:)
Wendy
hiding out and down to 12 older than 1966

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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] More about those awnings...
[VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
[VAL] Vent Fan
Re: [VAL] Vent Fan
[VAL] water problem
RE: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Questions
Re: [VAL] Questions
Re: [VAL] Vent Fan
Re: [VAL] Vent Fan
Re: [VAL] Questions
Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Tow Auto
Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
Re: [VAL] Questions
Re: [VAL] Tow Auto
Re: [VAL] Re: scare light
Re: [VAL] Tow-yota
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
RE: [VAL] Questions
Re: [VAL] More about those awnings...
RE: [VAL] Questions
[VAL] 5th Annual California Fall Rally - Duncans Mills
RE: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
RE: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
[VAL] Curtis Wright Information please
Re: [VAL] Digester chemical?
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
[VAL] RE: Questions about 1953 A/S
[VAL] RE: Weatherstripping
Re: [VAL] Questions
Re: [VAL] Switch by door
RE: [VAL] Switch by door
Re: [VAL] Curtis Wright Industries info.
Re: [VAL] Switch by door

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:00:27 -0800
From: "Stephanie Roberts" 
Subject: [VAL] More about those awnings...

> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:18:26 EST
> From: MaryDotson@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject:
>
> Stephanie,
> The awnings do look great! I still have a question--what is
> supporting them?
> I'm also not sure what you mean by clips--some kind of plastic
> (binder-like)
> clips? What did they attach to?
> Thanks!
> Mary
>

Hi Mary,

The awning fabric is about two inches wider than the window, which leaves an
inch to wrap around each edge. Then I slide a small plastic binder clip from
the office supply store over the fabric, so it grips the edge of the window
frame (which is under the fabric). We got a whole weeks use out of them in
the mountains this summer on one trip, and they stayed up just fine the
whole time. I'll add a picture to my website when I get a chance of the
awnings installed with the clips to make it clearer. Might be a couple weeks
before I get a chance though. I'll let you know.

Stephanie
Battle Ground, WA

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 06:05:16 -0500
From: "David Turner" 
Subject: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

Hello:
I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new battery.What
does the battery operate in this model?It looks like the lights are all 110v
and it has a lp gas light in the gally area.
It has a water pump I hope the battery will run it.
The battery is long and narrow.size is 19-1/4" long x 4-1/4" wide x 9" tall
and it has [6] caps for water with the pos and neg post.
Is this a 12volt or 6volt?
Thanks for any info.
David Turner
jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 08:15:42 -0500
From: "Myrna Warren" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

Six caps is 12 volts. Water pump should be 12 volts, also.

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From: "David Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:05 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re:12 volt question


> Hello:
> I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new battery.What
> does the battery operate in this model?It looks like the lights are all
110v
> and it has a lp gas light in the gally area.
> It has a water pump I hope the battery will run it.
> The battery is long and narrow.size is 19-1/4" long x 4-1/4" wide x 9"
tall
> and it has [6] caps for water with the pos and neg post.
> Is this a 12volt or 6volt?
> Thanks for any info.
> David Turner
> jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:24:36 -0600
From: dean 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

6 caps = 12 VDC
3 caps = 6 VDC

On Nov 5, 2003, at 5:05 AM, David Turner wrote:

> Hello:
> I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new 
> battery.What
> does the battery operate in this model?It looks like the lights are 
> all 110v
> and it has a lp gas light in the gally area.
> It has a water pump I hope the battery will run it.
> The battery is long and narrow.size is 19-1/4" long x 4-1/4" wide x 9" 
> tall
> and it has [6] caps for water with the pos and neg post.
> Is this a 12volt or 6volt?
> Thanks for any info.
> David Turner
> jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:46:39 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

David,

If any of your light fixtures have 2 standard sized bulbs in them, one of
them will be 12V. Normally at least one light will be set up this way. Other
12V items found in my '60 are a vent fan (switchable from A/C to D/C), a
small porch light, the furnace fan - which yours won't have unless the
furnace has been updated and the pump. You also have the option of adding
12V power plugs if you wish.

Scott
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From: "David Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:05 AM
Subject: [VAL] Re:12 volt question


> Hello:
> I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new battery.What
> does the battery operate in this model?It looks like the lights are all
110v
> and it has a lp gas light in the gally area.
> It has a water pump I hope the battery will run it.
> The battery is long and narrow.size is 19-1/4" long x 4-1/4" wide x 9"
tall
> and it has [6] caps for water with the pos and neg post.
> Is this a 12volt or 6volt?
> Thanks for any info.
> David Turner
> jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:22:18 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Vent Fan

Interesting, how do you switch your vent fan from AC to DC?
Jim
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From: "Scott Scheuermann" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question


> David,
>
> If any of your light fixtures have 2 standard sized bulbs in them, one of
> them will be 12V. Normally at least one light will be set up this way.
Other
> 12V items found in my '60 are a vent fan (switchable from A/C to D/C), a
> small porch light, the furnace fan - which yours won't have unless the
> furnace has been updated and the pump. You also have the option of adding
> 12V power plugs if you wish.
>
> Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:05 AM
> Subject: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
>
>
> > Hello:
> > I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new
battery.What
> > does the battery operate in this model?It looks like the lights are all
> 110v
> > and it has a lp gas light in the gally area.
> > It has a water pump I hope the battery will run it.
> > The battery is long and narrow.size is 19-1/4" long x 4-1/4" wide x 9"
> tall
> > and it has [6] caps for water with the pos and neg post.
> > Is this a 12volt or 6volt?
> > Thanks for any info.
> > David Turner
> > jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net
> >
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:40:11 -0800
From: "chyde" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent Fan

> Interesting, how do you switch your vent fan from AC to DC?
> Jim

Jim,
My 59 Ambassador International also has a vent fan that runs on AC or DC. In
DC mode it operates on 12v DC. There is a small transformer located next to
the fan motor which converts 110 v AC into 18v AC which also operates the
fan. There is a three way switch with AC DC designations. The fan for the
furnace also operates this way. Probably "state of the art" in a 1959 travel
trailer, but it is an Airstream after all.
Colin

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:45:56 -0500
From: "Chris Herring" 
Subject: [VAL] water problem

I just noticed that my '59 Tradewind has a leak in the bathroom. Water is
somehow getting in and is visible in bottom of shower pan. This is a rear
bath model. I can't detect any moisture coming down wall during rainfall.

I have been working on it the past few months and have never even used the
shower, nor has it ever had any water in the system. I can't detect the
water coming in anywhere else, it just makes a small pool in bottom of pan.
Any suggestions on how I can determine where the water is getting in so that
I can fix it asap? I just noticed this happening recently.

Thanks to everyone for the weatherstripping info yesterday.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:52:16 -0800
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

It's a tractor battery, David. Still available at farm supply stores or
battery places such as Interstate. If you want to use the box mounted
on the front of the trailer, you have no choice other than to use that
type.
Options include mounting a new battery storage box on the tongue spicing
in a new lead down to it, and using the old box as storage. Try to get
the aluminum style boxes (hot-rod accessory), as the plastic ones fail
from UV exposure (straps & latches). Mounting the battery under the bed
nest to an access door requires a little more work as it involves tie
downs and venting.
Best of luck,
RJ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net [mailto:jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:05 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re:12 volt question
>
>
> Hello:
> I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new
> battery.What
> does the battery operate in this model?It looks like the
> lights are all 110v
> and it has a lp gas light in the gally area.
> It has a water pump I hope the battery will run it.
> The battery is long and narrow.size is 19-1/4" long x 4-1/4"
> wide x 9" tall
> and it has [6] caps for water with the pos and neg post.
> Is this a 12volt or 6volt?
> Thanks for any info.
> David Turner
> jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:59:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Tognetti 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Questions

Anyone?

Chris Tognetti


Chris Tognetti wrote:
Hello All,

I have just gotten my hands on a 19 foot 1953 Airstream. Currently I am deciding 
if I should buy it and restore it. It has sat for the last few years and is currently 
in need of repairs. I have found some floor rot by the door and it does look like the 
shell is dropping as in a couple of spaces I see the frame cutting through at the bottom 
edge.

I have restore an old pop up and built my own addition to my house so I have the skills. 
I have check the FAQ at the vintage web site so I have a few ideas of what to look for. 
Here are a couple of my questions.

With the main problems I just listed what do you consider it worth. My the way it has all 
the original appliances and beds inside. Some of the outside decals have been looted by 
others while it sat. Last time it was used the owner said the propane worked. Sat for at 
least two years.

What other problems should I be looking for?

There are two pipes that sit in front of the tires what are they for?

If we decide to restore I'll be sure to ask plenty of question on this list.

Anything that I should read up on?

Chris 



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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:29:55 -0800
From: "chyde" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Questions

> With the main problems I just listed what do you consider it worth. >
> There are two pipes that sit in front of the tires what are they for?
> Anything that I should read up on?

Chris,
Check out www.vintageairstream.com go to "restoration resources" then down
to "price vs condition" This should answer most of your questions.
The two pipes ahead of the axle are for the "stinky slinky". I have them on
my 59 Ambassador as well. I think they were an option.
Colin

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:59 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent Fan

Thankyou, my 63 sob also has a small transformer next to the fan motors, but
no provision for switching to 12 volt. I wish it did! I'm still wondering
why a step down transformer was put there, if there is no way to run it off
the battery.
Jim
61 Bambi
63 Avion
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From: "chyde" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent Fan


> > Interesting, how do you switch your vent fan from AC to DC?
> > Jim
>
> Jim,
> My 59 Ambassador International also has a vent fan that runs on AC or DC.
In
> DC mode it operates on 12v DC. There is a small transformer located next
to
> the fan motor which converts 110 v AC into 18v AC which also operates the
> fan. There is a three way switch with AC DC designations. The fan for the
> furnace also operates this way. Probably "state of the art" in a 1959
travel
> trailer, but it is an Airstream after all.
> Colin
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:42:55 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Vent Fan

Jim, Colin is correct. Remember that this was in the day before univolts!

Scott 
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From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: [VAL] Vent Fan


> Interesting, how do you switch your vent fan from AC to DC?
> Jim

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:48:23 -0500
From: "Scott Scheuermann" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Questions

Chris,

It sounds like if you choose to go ahead with the resto you will have your
hands full for a while. Sounds as if it may be a "frame off" resto so keep
that in mind when making an offer. But, if you are good you should have a
beautiful trailer that is not often seen on the road - even at Vintage
Airstream Rallies.

Scott

- - ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Tognetti" 

> I have just gotten my hands on a 19 foot 1953 Airstream. Currently I am
deciding if I should buy it and restore it. It has sat for the last few
years and is currently in need of repairs. I have found some floor rot by
the door and it does look like the shell is dropping as in a couple of
spaces I see the frame cutting through at the bottom edge.

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:55:31 -0600
From: "William Durkee" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

> Hello:
>I have a '58 Airstream Custom 20' and I want to install a new battery.What
>does the battery operate in this model?

One thing the battery may operate is the emergency brake away. (The extra 
wire attached to the hitch as a safety device.) It works this way in late 
60's models and newer.

Bill

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:13:46 -0600
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" 
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

Battery type 3EE or 3ET. 12 volts. Used on 60's vintage JD farm tractors
and earlier in Packard cars. Expensive for the capacity. Some 70s era JD
farm tractors used the 3EH, 6 volts in pairs. I've seen 3EH at Sam's
club, I've heard 3EE are in some, but not where I looked.

Gerald J.
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:52:41 -0500
From: gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tow Auto

The Burb weighs in a little more than the truck.
Also if you have just a 1/2 ton truck regular cab short bed, which is around
119 wheelbase.
That makes a difference to, especially in ride comfort.
The wheel base on the 1/2 ton Burb is around 136 inches.
I myself prefer 4X4's for the extra weight up front, plus getting in/out of
some places.

Bobby Gill
1988 Chevy K1500 shortbed 4X4
2002 Chevy Suburban 4X4 (wife's taxi)
Valdosta, GA
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Wrom: OWCONEU
Question ???
Why is it not good pull and have safe control with
a 1/2 ton Chevy pickup but a !/2 ton Burb is Great?
They are the same frame brakes and motor.

Dean
> I have pulled my 1976 31' Sovereign from Houston to both coasts, in and
> around Texas and up to Colorado with my 99 1/2 ton Suburban without any
> problems. Passed a few 3/4 tons along the way.
>
> Don Hardman

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:00:44 -0500
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question

Batteries Plus is a chain outlet in many cities and can get these batteries
if not in stock. The 3ET has the higher capacity and weighs 5lbs. more than
the 3EE. 600 ca and 125 min. vs. 480 ca and 90 min. (The batteries are
listed under tractor batteries at their web site.)
Jim
PS This old battery design worked great for me on my recent 2 month, 15000
mile road trip. Just don't run it down too low, too often.

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From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:12 volt question


> Battery type 3EE or 3ET. 12 volts. Used on 60's vintage JD farm tractors
> and earlier in Packard cars. Expensive for the capacity. Some 70s era JD
> farm tractors used the 3EH, 6 volts in pairs. I've seen 3EH at Sam's
> club, I've heard 3EE are in some, but not where I looked.
>
> Gerald J.
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