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VAL Digest Thursday, October 16 2003 Volume 01 : Number 037
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
[VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] Re: electric hitch
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
RE: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
[VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
[VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
Re: [VAL] winterizing
Re: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
Re: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
Re: [VAL] winterizing
Re: [VAL] winterizing
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:27:43 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
There are many open, unattended weigh stations in Oregon. It appears to
be the policy of ORDOT to leave them open and turned on all the time.
There is one on ORHwy 99W between Newberg and McMinnville.
There is another southeast of Newberg near I-5.
I have used these a number of times. Only once has there been anyone else
using the scale.
They measure in 50 pound increments.
Get:
1) Tow vehicle front axle, unhitched
2) Tow vehicle rear axle, unhitched
3) Tow vehicle total weight, unhitched
4) Trailer hitch (tongue) weight, unhitched
5) Trailer weight on wheels, unhitched
6) Trailer total weight
7) Tow vehicle front axle, hitched
8) Tow vehicle rear axle, hitched
9) Tow vehicle total weight, hitched
10) Trailer weight on wheels, hitched
11) Total combination weight
12) Tow vehicle front axle, weight distributing hitch hooked up
13) Tow vehicle rear axle, WD hitch hooked up
14) Tow vehicle total weight, WD hitch hooked up
15) Trailer weight on wheels, WD hitch hooked up
Looks daunting but it really doesn't take long. Much nicer than measuring
weights with bathroom scale and board.
The WD links should be hooked up so that the tow vehicle rides level, the
rear pressed down slightly more than the front (a little more load added
to the rear axle than to the front wheels for best traction - better
understeer than oversteer especially when towing).
Al Grayson
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 06:57:45 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
North Dakota sure isn't any place for aluminum trailers. We had a house
just west of Bismarck. Its roof was ruined by hail. In the Bismarck area,
people had just gotten new roofs on when hail hit again and ruined the
roofs again. Several insurance companies have pulled out of North Dakota.
We pay a lot extra for that shiny aluminum and don't want it beat up. If
we didn't care, we'd just have gotten a painted trailer.
Al Grayson
>
> On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 08:56 AM, buddy atwood wrote:
>
> > Dry ice wrapped in a cloth and held with a pair of pliers works on
steel, but I've never tried it on aluminum. I Used it on a hot day and
held the dry ice until I heard the steel "Ping". This method also has
it's drawbacks.
> > Good Luck.
> >
> > Buddy
>
> ------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:48:29 -0400
From: "dave@xxxxxxxxxx.com" <dave@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Hi,
I am a newcomer to Airstreams and this list. With my fresh exuberance
to Airstreaming, I just posted the 1978 Airstream Sales Brochure at my
personal Airstream site. I thought it only fitting in that '78's are
the newest Vintage Airstreams out there ;-).
See http://www.dwmorrison.com/78brochure1.pdf
Dial-up user beware - it's about an 8 MB file. I will be happy to mail
a CD-R with the brochure to the first five takers. Email me back for
details.
- --Dave
- --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David Morrison
http://www.dwmorrison.com/airstream.htm
1978 Excella 500 - center bath/rear twin
1998 Chevy Express 2500
So new to us we have not received our WBCCI numbers yet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:15:28 EDT
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: electric hitch
I had the same problem. My problem was with the fuses. They needed to be
cleaned and a little electric grease put on them. It could also be the ground
inside the jack itself. I had it caused by the ground one time also. It sounds
like something minor. jauman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:22:34 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
Can't you simply go to a truckstop that has certified scales and at least 3
"pads" for the axles to get this done? That way you get front axle, rear
axle and the trailer axle weight.
At home you could get the tongue weight done with a small scale but you
could also figure that same weight is about 10-15% of your total trailer
weight when the trailer is unloaded and level.
Once you weigh your vehicle with full fuel and maybe a passenger or two at a
truckstop to get front and rear axles without the trailer hooked up it would
be so easy to look at the differences in axle weights when you get your
entire rigged weighed in later on.
Your way "looks" as if there is only a single pad to weigh axles at these
remote weigh stations. True?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: <waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
: There are many open, unattended weigh stations in Oregon. It appears to
: be the policy of ORDOT to leave them open and turned on all the time.
: There is one on ORHwy 99W between Newberg and McMinnville.
: There is another southeast of Newberg near I-5.
: I have used these a number of times. Only once has there been anyone else
: using the scale.
: They measure in 50 pound increments.
:
: Get:
: 1) Tow vehicle front axle, unhitched
: 2) Tow vehicle rear axle, unhitched
: 3) Tow vehicle total weight, unhitched
: 4) Trailer hitch (tongue) weight, unhitched
: 5) Trailer weight on wheels, unhitched
: 6) Trailer total weight
: 7) Tow vehicle front axle, hitched
: 8) Tow vehicle rear axle, hitched
: 9) Tow vehicle total weight, hitched
: 10) Trailer weight on wheels, hitched
: 11) Total combination weight
: 12) Tow vehicle front axle, weight distributing hitch hooked up
: 13) Tow vehicle rear axle, WD hitch hooked up
: 14) Tow vehicle total weight, WD hitch hooked up
: 15) Trailer weight on wheels, WD hitch hooked up
:
: Looks daunting but it really doesn't take long. Much nicer than measuring
: weights with bathroom scale and board.
:
: The WD links should be hooked up so that the tow vehicle rides level, the
: rear pressed down slightly more than the front (a little more load added
: to the rear axle than to the front wheels for best traction - better
: understeer than oversteer especially when towing).
:
: Al Grayson
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:43:39 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Great brochure. Welcome to Vintage Airstreaming.
Don Hardman
1976 31' Sovereign
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From: <dave@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
> Hi,
>
> I am a newcomer to Airstreams and this list. With my fresh exuberance
> to Airstreaming, I just posted the 1978 Airstream Sales Brochure at my
> personal Airstream site. I thought it only fitting in that '78's are
> the newest Vintage Airstreams out there ;-).
>
> See http://www.dwmorrison.com/78brochure1.pdf
>
> Dial-up user beware - it's about an 8 MB file. I will be happy to mail
> a CD-R with the brochure to the first five takers. Email me back for
> details.
>
> --Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> David Morrison
> http://www.dwmorrison.com/airstream.htm
> 1978 Excella 500 - center bath/rear twin
> 1998 Chevy Express 2500
> So new to us we have not received our WBCCI numbers yet
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:08:50 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #35 - Weighing In
You work a little bit too hard.
Its not necessary to measure each axle separately, just start with the
front axle only on the scale, that gets you the front axle loading. Then
drive forward to put front and rear tow vehicle axles on the scale, that
gets you total tow vehicle, and the difference between them is the tow
vehicle axle. then pull the trailer on and measure the gross. The
increase over the total tow is the trailer axle loading.
Do it again with the weight distribution enabled to see its effect, then
take the trailer home and go back and measure the front axle of the tow
vehicle, then both axles. The difference between hitched tow vehicle and
unhitch tow vehicle totals is the trailer tongue weight.
This takes less time over the scale and gets the complete results with a
slight amount of math.
Gerald J.
- --
Entire content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer.
Reproduction by permission only.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:20:22 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Yes, please let me add my thanks for taking the time to upload and share
your vintage brochure with us all.
Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was 20 years old.
When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model year was 1969.
I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon I could join
the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would then attain
the vintage status.
When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of age to be a
vintage Airstream?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
: Great brochure. Welcome to Vintage Airstreaming.
:
: Don Hardman
: 1976 31' Sovereign
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:45:58 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
Its been 25 years since the start of the VAC, have never heard the 20year
rule. I wonder if Airstream came up with that prior to the formation of
the VAC
Ken J
At 11:20 AM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes, please let me add my thanks for taking the time to upload and share
>your vintage brochure with us all.
>
>Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was 20 years old.
>When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model year was 1969.
>I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon I could join
>the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would then attain
>the vintage status.
>
>When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of age to be a
>vintage Airstream?
>
>Tom
>WBCCI 5303
>
>From: "Don Hardman" <donhardman@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
>
>
>: Great brochure. Welcome to Vintage Airstreaming.
>:
>: Don Hardman
>: 1976 31' Sovereign
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:47:08 -0700
From: RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: RE: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
It was 25 years from day 1 of the VAC in 1993. In 1988, an older
Airstream was just an old Airstream :>)
http://airstream.net/members/van/v1i1.pdf
Best of luck,
RJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com [mailto:tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:20 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
>
> Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was
> 20 years old.
> When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model
> year was 1969.
> I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon
> I could join
> the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would
> then attain
> the vintage status.
>
> When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of
> age to be a
> vintage Airstream?
>
> Tom
> WBCCI 5303
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:04:24 -0700
From: "chyde" <chyde@primelink1.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] '78 Sales Brochure
> > to Airstreaming, I just posted the 1978 Airstream Sales Brochure at my
> > personal Airstream site. I thought it only fitting in that '78's are
> > the newest Vintage Airstreams out there ;-).
> >
> > See http://www.dwmorrison.com/78brochure1.pdf
This is a great brochure. Perhaps it could be added to the VAC reference
page for others to see as well.
Colin
PS Welcome to the great hobby of Vintage Airstreaming. Just wait until
Aluminitis hits you with full force!
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:15:14 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
RJ,
OK, you said "from day 1 of the VAC in 1993."
I'm talking about 1989 because back then I was told by the Airstream factory
that vintage became so at 20 years of age.
I was asking "when" did that change from just 20 years to present day 25
years?
Tom
From: <RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
: It was 25 years from day 1 of the VAC in 1993. In 1988, an older
: Airstream was just an old Airstream :>)
:
: http://airstream.net/members/van/v1i1.pdf
:
: Best of luck,
: RJ
:
: > From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com [mailto:tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com]
: >
: > Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was
: > 20 years old.
: > When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model
: > year was 1969.
: > I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon
: > I could join
: > the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would
: > then attain
: > the vintage status.
: >
: > When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of
: > age to be a
: > vintage Airstream?
: >
: > Tom
: > WBCCI 5303
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:28:16 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Like I was saying, we got our very first 1969 29' Int'l Ambassador Airstream
which we still own today back in February of 1988. We had not joined the
WBCCI back then either - but I did contact the Airstream factory to see what
was available from their archives about this older trailer we now owned.
I was told about the Vintage Airstream Club - an IntraClub - as far back as
the first part of 1988. So that has now been over 25 years ago. Geez!
Time flies when you are having fun, doesn't it ! ? And, way back then I was
also told that we would "qualify" to join the ranks of the Vintage Airstream
Club, part of the WBCCI "when" our trailer turned 20 years old.
The factory was kind enough to mail to me at their expense lots of
information about our 'old' unit. I received a black and white photocopy of
the sales literature which was very interesting as it pointed out all the
NEW features that designed into this latest 'new' Airstream. The 1969 model
year was *the year* for a lot of "firsts" that are still designed into their
travel trailers today. The interior got a facelift, the corners of the
windows were radiused and I believe that was the first year for the new
torque axles that still exist today.
So my question to anyone still remains: When did 25 years become the norm
rather than the 20 year age I was first told about? And back then the
Vintage Airstream Club had a newsletter that members received and I think it
was written up by a fellow in Montana - perhaps a Dwayne something or other.
Perhaps. I know I spoke with someone on the phone about this newsletter,
etc.
Tom
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
: Its been 25 years since the start of the VAC, have never heard the 20year
: rule. I wonder if Airstream came up with that prior to the formation of
: the VAC
:
: Ken J
: At 11:20 AM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
: >Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was 20 years old.
: >When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model year was
1969.
: >I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon I could join
: >the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would then attain
: >the vintage status.
: >
: >When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of age to be a
: >vintage Airstream?
: >
: >Tom
: >WBCCI 5303
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:09:43 -0500
From: Mike Keith <mkeith@1pcplace.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
Tom,
I don't where RJ got that "an older Airstream was just an old Airstream
:>)" I've heard for many years that 20 or 25)depending on where I was) is
vintage for Airstreams and taking a page from most DMVs then 25 would be a
classic, vintage, antique or even historic. VAC by no means coined
Vintage, they applied it to their club. Hum.... Maybe I'll get historic
plates for mine, right now I don't get to go more 2500 miles a year and
here I think that's the limit on mileage.
Mike
At 12:15 PM 10/15/2003, you wrote:
>RJ,
>
>OK, you said "from day 1 of the VAC in 1993."
>
>I'm talking about 1989 because back then I was told by the Airstream factory
>that vintage became so at 20 years of age.
>
>I was asking "when" did that change from just 20 years to present day 25
>years?
>
>Tom
>
>From: <RJ.Dial@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>
>
>: It was 25 years from day 1 of the VAC in 1993. In 1988, an older
>: Airstream was just an old Airstream :>)
>:
>: http://airstream.net/members/van/v1i1.pdf
>:
>: Best of luck,
>: RJ
>:
>: > From: tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com [mailto:tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com]
>: >
>: > Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was
>: > 20 years old.
>: > When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model
>: > year was 1969.
>: > I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon
>: > I could join
>: > the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would
>: > then attain
>: > the vintage status.
>: >
>: > When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of
>: > age to be a
>: > vintage Airstream?
>: >
>: > Tom
>: > WBCCI 5303
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:14:19 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Tom.....there are people trying to tell you something. The VAC was started
as an Intra-Club in 1993. The founder was R. L. "Bud" Cooper. The WBCCI had
no input as to what was considered vintage and there was no vintage unit or
intra-club prior to that time..
The VAC was sanctioned as an Intra-Club in January, 1993 with 32 members.
Club dues were $7.00 a year, and the newsletter was pretty basic, with the
first issue published on March 26, 1993. Thanks to Pearl Main, a Charter
Member, I have all the newsletter issues.
At the time of the Charter, the 25 year requirement was set, and has
remained so to this day.
VAC Officer elections were held at the International Rally at Bismarck in
July 1993. This was also the rally where there was hailstorm damage to
nearly every trailer there.
Anyway, the first elected officers were:
President R.L. "Bud" Cooper
1st V.P. Stanley Baston
2nd V.P. Walter Overgaard
Recording Secretary Lucille Traucht
Treasurer/Membership Duane C. Hedahl
Newsletter #2 then published Bud Cooper's method for removing dents.
Interesting, but tedious and requiring two people and lots of patience.
If you are a VAC Member, you can download all these old newsletters in PDF
format from http://www.airstream.net. They are well worth the time.
I hope this clears the 20 years vs 25 years question up.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI #4165,VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:18:16 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Must be something in the water! I meant to say 15 years ago, NOT 25 years
ago. I read my post and wondered *where* did those other ten years go that
I don't remember ? ? ?
Tom - testing his water
From: "T o m :-)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
: I was told about the Vintage Airstream Club - an IntraClub - as far back
as
: the first part of 1988. So that has now been over 25 years ago. :
: Tom
:
: From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
: : Its been 25 years since the start of the VAC, have never heard the
20year
: : rule. I wonder if Airstream came up with that prior to the formation of
: : the VAC
: :
: : Ken J
:
: : At 11:20 AM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
: : >Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was 20 years
old.
: : >When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model year was
: 1969.
: : >I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon I could
join
: : >the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would then
attain
: : >the vintage status.
: : >
: : >When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of age to be
a
: : >vintage Airstream?
: : >
: : >Tom
: : >WBCCI 5303
:
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:33:46 -0400
From: pete highlands <satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Dont Know if this will help or stir the pot but: I was always taught in
the "old car" groups
Vintage= old around 20 yrs or no longer in production
antique= 25 yrs or older
Pete Highlands
T o m :-) wrote:
> Like I was saying, we got our very first 1969 29' Int'l Ambassador Airstream
> which we still own today back in February of 1988. We had not joined the
> WBCCI back then either - but I did contact the Airstream factory to see what
> was available from their archives about this older trailer we now owned.
>
> I was told about the Vintage Airstream Club - an IntraClub - as far back as
> the first part of 1988. So that has now been over 25 years ago. Geez!
> Time flies when you are having fun, doesn't it ! ? And, way back then I was
> also told that we would "qualify" to join the ranks of the Vintage Airstream
> Club, part of the WBCCI "when" our trailer turned 20 years old.
>
> The factory was kind enough to mail to me at their expense lots of
> information about our 'old' unit. I received a black and white photocopy of
> the sales literature which was very interesting as it pointed out all the
> NEW features that designed into this latest 'new' Airstream. The 1969 model
> year was *the year* for a lot of "firsts" that are still designed into their
> travel trailers today. The interior got a facelift, the corners of the
> windows were radiused and I believe that was the first year for the new
> torque axles that still exist today.
>
> So my question to anyone still remains: When did 25 years become the norm
> rather than the 20 year age I was first told about? And back then the
> Vintage Airstream Club had a newsletter that members received and I think it
> was written up by a fellow in Montana - perhaps a Dwayne something or other.
> Perhaps. I know I spoke with someone on the phone about this newsletter,
> etc.
>
> Tom
>
> From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> : Its been 25 years since the start of the VAC, have never heard the 20year
> : rule. I wonder if Airstream came up with that prior to the formation of
> : the VAC
> :
> : Ken J
>
> : At 11:20 AM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> : >Used to be that your Airstream became "vintage" when it was 20 years old.
> : >When we bought our first Airstream it was 1988 and the model year was
> 1969.
> : >I talked to the factory secretary who told me that very soon I could join
> : >the Vintage intra-club as our "twenty year old" trailer would then attain
> : >the vintage status.
> : >
> : >When did it change and go from 20 years of age to 25 years of age to be a
> : >vintage Airstream?
> : >
> : >Tom
> : >WBCCI 5303
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:37:09 -0400
From: pete highlands <satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Once a ham always a ham good job Roger.
Hi Hi Pete Highlands
Roger Hightower wrote:
> Tom.....there are people trying to tell you something. The VAC was started
> as an Intra-Club in 1993. The founder was R. L. "Bud" Cooper. The WBCCI had
> no input as to what was considered vintage and there was no vintage unit or
> intra-club prior to that time..
>
> The VAC was sanctioned as an Intra-Club in January, 1993 with 32 members.
> Club dues were $7.00 a year, and the newsletter was pretty basic, with the
> first issue published on March 26, 1993. Thanks to Pearl Main, a Charter
> Member, I have all the newsletter issues.
>
> At the time of the Charter, the 25 year requirement was set, and has
> remained so to this day.
>
> VAC Officer elections were held at the International Rally at Bismarck in
> July 1993. This was also the rally where there was hailstorm damage to
> nearly every trailer there.
>
> Anyway, the first elected officers were:
>
> President R.L. "Bud" Cooper
> 1st V.P. Stanley Baston
> 2nd V.P. Walter Overgaard
> Recording Secretary Lucille Traucht
> Treasurer/Membership Duane C. Hedahl
>
> Newsletter #2 then published Bud Cooper's method for removing dents.
> Interesting, but tedious and requiring two people and lots of patience.
>
> If you are a VAC Member, you can download all these old newsletters in PDF
> format from http://www.airstream.net. They are well worth the time.
>
> I hope this clears the 20 years vs 25 years question up.
>
> Roger
>
> Roger Hightower
> WBCCI #4165,VAC
> 1975 31' Sovereign
> Mesa, AZ
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:08:23 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Roger,
Thank you for the history on the VAC. I really appreciate it.
OK ... let me ask everyone and anyone this next question:
Was there a "non-intra-club" vintage group of members _before_1993 then?
This would have been
the time span from 1988 to 1993 when the Vintage Airstream Club
(intra-club of the WBCCI) was
formally brought into the WBCCI and Airstream umbrella.
I know that people have posted about _when_the VAC was formed and I have no
reason to doubt that fact for one second. All I'm saying is the _fact_as I
know it that when I contacted Airstream's factory in Ohio I was told_at that
time_of being able to_join_a vintage group_because_our
Airstream_qualified_us when it turned 20 years old which would have been
in_1989_.
How would I have ever known of _any_ vintage Airstream group under, over or
around the WBCCI if I was not informed in person by telephone when I called
Airstream's factory?
I believe what people have told me about _when_ the VAC was formed. I do.
But others should also believe _me_ when I tell you that _I_ personally was
informed about a _vintage group_ by the Airstream factory back in _1988_. I
have no reason to state other than the facts that I was personally involved
in.
Not trying to start anything here but I don't want anyone to think that I'm
making up what I know to be true either.
And Duane C. Hedahl was who I was referring to from the past - he lived in
Montana I believe it was and he produced the Vintage Airstream newsletter as
far as I know for quite a while. In fact, when I first talked to Duane he
even asked me if it was ok to have some people write to me personally about
repairing aluminum on their trailers since I was familiar with those
aspects. Is Duane still a member?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
: Tom.....there are people trying to tell you something. The VAC was
started
: as an Intra-Club in 1993. The founder was R. L. "Bud" Cooper. The WBCCI
had
: no input as to what was considered vintage and there was no vintage unit
or
: intra-club prior to that time..
:
: The VAC was sanctioned as an Intra-Club in January, 1993 with 32 members.
: Club dues were $7.00 a year, and the newsletter was pretty basic, with the
: first issue published on March 26, 1993. Thanks to Pearl Main, a Charter
: Member, I have all the newsletter issues.
:
: At the time of the Charter, the 25 year requirement was set, and has
: remained so to this day.
:
: VAC Officer elections were held at the International Rally at Bismarck in
: July 1993. This was also the rally where there was hailstorm damage to
: nearly every trailer there.
:
: Anyway, the first elected officers were:
:
: President R.L. "Bud" Cooper
: 1st V.P. Stanley Baston
: 2nd V.P. Walter Overgaard
: Recording Secretary Lucille Traucht
: Treasurer/Membership Duane C. Hedahl
:
: Newsletter #2 then published Bud Cooper's method for removing dents.
: Interesting, but tedious and requiring two people and lots of patience.
:
: If you are a VAC Member, you can download all these old newsletters in PDF
: format from http://www.airstream.net. They are well worth the time.
:
: I hope this clears the 20 years vs 25 years question up.
:
: Roger
:
: Roger Hightower
: WBCCI #4165,VAC
: 1975 31' Sovereign
: Mesa, AZ
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:12:24 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] then 20 years, now 25 years? was:'78 Sales Brochure
Let me quickly add a "me, too!" Pete. ;)
Tom
From: "pete highlands" <satdjpete@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
: Dont Know if this will help or stir the pot but: I was always taught in
: the "old car" groups
: Vintage= old around 20 yrs or no longer in production
: antique= 25 yrs or older
: Pete Highlands
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:21:12 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
Has anyone found a way to lessen the damage from hail storms? I've got some
ideas but they'd be a bit pricey - but I think it'd work, too. Maybe one of
these days I'll pick up an old, antique (maybe even _vintage_ !) Airstream
and try out some of my methods. If I could find enough people with
disposable income to fund some things we might all have a chance to get
rich. ;)
Now, I know if you dropped a watermelon or fired a pumpkin from 3500 feet
away it would likely cause big damage if it hit _any_ Airstream. But
hailstones from above might only make the tiniest, if that, ding. Maybe.
Tom
From: <waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
: North Dakota sure isn't any place for aluminum trailers. We had a house
: just west of Bismarck. Its roof was ruined by hail. In the Bismarck area,
: people had just gotten new roofs on when hail hit again and ruined the
: roofs again. Several insurance companies have pulled out of North Dakota.
: We pay a lot extra for that shiny aluminum and don't want it beat up. If
: we didn't care, we'd just have gotten a painted trailer.
:
: Al Grayson
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:40:50 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
"But hailstones from above might only make the tiniest, if that, ding.
Maybe"
On July 1, 1993 at the International Rally in Bismarck, N.D., there was a
terrific hailstorm that caused an estimated $8,000,000.00 in damage to
Airstream trailers. I have one that was there, and the dents are very
visible on the roof.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI #4165,VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
Mesa, AZ
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:04:40 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #34 - Hail and Dents
I have a '68 Caravel that was there, but my dad claims it acquired no
new dents. That the newer Airstreams were badly damaged, starting with
the plastic vent lids that were shattered and the following hail and
rain left several inches of icy water on the floors which gushed out
when the doors were opened. He claims that all the hail dents were in
this Caravel before that from storms that broke windows out of houses
and put hail into attics by punching holes in sheathing under the
roofing, larger than at Bismarck. That's what he claimed.
When hail gets much over an inch in diameter it begins to leave marks on
cars and trailers. When it gets to two inches it leaves definite marks
on most vehicles, at three inches it takes siding off houses, removes
all the windows on the windward side and makes cars and trucks look like
shriveled prunes, at four inches it pokes holes in wood walls and roof
sheathing and sometimes steel cars.
Gerald J.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:27:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org
Subject: Re: [VAL] winterizing
Wyn,
You might check to see if your 'P'traps have removable caps to drain them. I think
the original factory 'P'trap was solvent welded with no drain, but when I replaced
the plumbing in my AS I 'upgraded' the traps to the kind that have a removable cap
so they can be drained individually. Perhaps a PO did the same with yours?
Forrest
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:35:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org
Subject: Re: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
Tom,
I wonder if the 20 year thing might be in reference to the Classic IntraClub of the
WBCCI? The Classic Club is a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can give some background
on it? Was it formed before or after the VAC? If it was formed before the VAC, then
why was the VAC formed? Or, if it formed after the VAC, then why was the Classic Club
formed. Vintage Club and Classic Club sound like a duplication. What are the
differences?
Forrest
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:56:29 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] vintage used to be 20 years - today it's 25 ? ? ?
Hi Forrest,
The VAC or Vintage Airstream Club covers older Airstreams and they have to
be so many years old before the trailer "qualifies" for membership. I'm
sure the VAC would welcome some type of membership of non-owning vintage era
Airstreams - well, make that maybe they'd do that. ;) That would be a nice
gesture if they are not already doing so. Does anyone know if they are?
The Classic Club would be for owners of any 'classic' or all aluminum
bullet-shaped Airstream travel trailer. When people in Airstreams talked
about 'classics' they are referring to aluminum and not fiberglass such as
the "squarestreams" as they've become known as.
So ... the VAC is for trailers which have to be at least so old. And the
Classics would be all aluminum travel trailers.
Does this help?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
: Tom,
:
: I wonder if the 20 year thing might be in reference to the Classic
IntraClub of the
: WBCCI? The Classic Club is a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can give some
background
: on it? Was it formed before or after the VAC? If it was formed before the
VAC, then
: why was the VAC formed? Or, if it formed after the VAC, then why was the
Classic Club
: formed. Vintage Club and Classic Club sound like a duplication. What are
the
: differences?
:
: Forrest
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:57:27 -0400
From: "T o m :-\)" <tmeeker@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] winterizing
What's a PO?
Tom
From: <forrest@xxxxxxxxxx.org>
Subject: Re: [VAL] winterizing
: Wyn,
:
: You might check to see if your 'P'traps have removable caps to drain them.
I think
: the original factory 'P'trap was solvent welded with no drain, but when I
replaced
: the plumbing in my AS I 'upgraded' the traps to the kind that have a
removable cap
: so they can be drained individually. Perhaps a PO did the same with yours?
:
: Forrest
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:05:27 -0700
From: Brad Norgaard <stream2699@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] winterizing
Prior owner.
Brad
> What's a PO?
>
> Tom
>
> Perhaps a PO did the same with yours?
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