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Re: [VAL] My electric jack
Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector question
Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector question
[VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
[VAL] 7 Pin Connector
[VAL] 7 Pin connector
[VAL] given up on AS
[VAL] Re: Raising Pearl
Re: [VAL] Re: Raising Pearl
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:59:30 -0500
From: "Chaplain Kent" <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] My electric jack
Tom Meeker,
I hate for this to go out to the list but I did not have your e-mail address;
however it will answer the question of my errant jack.
I finally got the cover off and found the hot wire holding on to the switch by
a copper thread. Next I took off the cover to the gear housing to discover
metal shavings and badly worn gears. I cobbled the wiring to test the motor
and it did operate and lift the trailer but the jack did not hold the trailer
up, the gears slipped and the trailer fell. Fortunately the supports were
still there.
I do not know if this jack is repairable or better said if my talents can
repair it. Can we make a deal for one of your used jacks? My e-mail is:
chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com
Thanks, Chaplain Kent
Chaplain Kent
When I returned from Kansas a few weeks ago I brought back some used
electric jacks that I got in the package. I'll see if any of them work and
get back to you. I know I have at least 2 used jacks and if they both work
(I need one of them) I will have 1 to part with.
Write me off-list if you'd like. OK?
Tom Meeker
WBCCI 5303
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:26:13 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector question
There are a couple complications here. First the 60s vintage Airstream
didn't use the same pin connections on the 7 pin connector as the
modern Bargman standard. This causes much confusion. You have to
determine what the real connections are. Probably by applying 12
volts from a source grounded to the trailer chassis (through a large
lamp like a 50 watt 12 volt amp to limit the current when you find the
ground. Observe what markers, turn signals, or brake lights show up on
each pin them compare to the Bargman diagram. Notice that the 50
watt amp glows dimly if at all on most light circuits.
Its available in the RV section at Walmart and fits a standard edison
lamp socket. I use one for much testing around 12 volt circuits. I have
an edison base fuse socket and switch combination mounted on a
handy box with a couple wires with alligator clips hooked to the ends
of those wires. When checking for 12 volts present the lamp takes
enough current than it doesn't show accidental circuits but only
direction connections. It makes a nice current indicator protecting the
indicator and the lamp from accidental shorts. The switch in series with
the lamp is handy for switching the lamp load on and off.
Second a continuity tester's utility depends on its sensitivity. Some can
show a connection even through a lamp or group of lamps. You really
need to know what kind of resistance it shows, whether virtually zero
(under 0.1 ohm) or a few ohms. The few ohms can be lamps, the 0.1 or
much less should be only copper wire. A continuity tester that shows
continuity for anything under 100 ohms is virtually useless in testing 12
volt DC circuits, it claims too much is connected.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 12:18:05 -0700
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector question
Chuck,
I have a copy of the 7-pin wiring diagram which came with my 1962 Tradewind.
If you think it will help, I'll do my best to describe it to you (My scanner
fell down), or I could take a digiphoto and send it to you directly, if you'll
send your email address.
Mark in Modesto
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:14:53 -0700
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Having made the offer to Chuck to give a verbal (written) description of the
wiring diagram for his 1962 Tradewind 7-pin connectors, I started wondering if
I could pull that off in a 'gettable' way.
If you're not wiring an old 'Stream 7-pin connector, delete this now,
onaccounta it will be boring, worthless and confusing. If you ARE messing
with the wires on your old one, be warned that this might confuse you even
more. I hope not. I'll be using a clock dial to describe some positions.
Anyway, here goes:
On a large sheet of paper, draw two large circles (3"?), side by side.
In the center of each, draw a small circle (1/4").
At 'nine o'clock' and 'three o'clock', draw small circles.
Halfway between the circle at nine and straIght up (12:00), make a small
circle.
Halfway between the circle at nine and straight down (6:00), make a circle.
Do the same with the circle at three o'clock.
You should have:
A large circle, with a small circle in the middle, surrounded by six other
small circles spaced evenly just inside the perimeter, with one circle each at
the nine and three o'clock positions, no circles at twelve or six, but four
circles which would describe an X if connected with straight lines. Whew!
Now make a little rectangle on top of each of the large circles, to represent
the index key on the plug, or keyway in the socket. These should look like
your components when looking directly into the connectors.
I'll give the numbers using the clock position. If, by now, 4:30 isn't
clear...hire somebody. Here's the dope:
ON THE TRAILER
#1. 4:30 WHITE GROUND
#2 7:30 BLUE CHARGE BATTERY FROM TOW VEHICLE
#3 1:30 GREEN RUNNING LIGHTS
#4 10:30 BLACK STOP LIGHTS
#5 3:00 RED LEFT TURN SIGNAL
#6 9:00 BROWN RIGHT TURN SIGNAL
YELLOW CENTER WIRE IS BRAKES
ON THE TOW VEHICLE
#1 7:30 WHITE GROUND
#2 4:30 BLUE CHARGING WIRE
#3 10:30 GREEN RUNNING LIGHTS
#4 1:30 BLACK STOP LIGHTS
#5 9:00 RED LEFT TURN SIGNAL
#6 3:00 BROWN RIGHT TURN
YELLOW CENTER WIRE IS BRAKES
I gotta get my scanner fixed! Hope this helped somebody out there!
Mark in Modesto
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:36:35 -0500
From: Dean <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
This is a great explanation for the older wiring.
Someone needs to put this on a Web site so others years from now can
read it..
Good Work Mark !
See You On the Road
Dean & Kay
WBCCI 2486
IOWA
On Aug 28, 2004, at 3:14 PM, Mark wrote:
> Having made the offer to Chuck to give a verbal (written) description
> of the
> wiring diagram for his 1962 Tradewind 7-pin connectors, I started
> wondering if
> I could pull that off in a 'gettable' way.
>
> If you're not wiring an old 'Stream 7-pin connector, delete this now,
> onaccounta it will be boring, worthless and confusing. If you ARE
> messing
> with the wires on your old one, be warned that this might confuse you
> even
> more. I hope not. I'll be using a clock dial to describe some
> positions.
>
> Anyway, here goes:
>
>
> On a large sheet of paper, draw two large circles (3"?), side by side.
>
> In the center of each, draw a small circle (1/4").
>
> At 'nine o'clock' and 'three o'clock', draw small circles.
>
> Halfway between the circle at nine and straIght up (12:00), make a
> small
> circle.
>
> Halfway between the circle at nine and straight down (6:00), make a
> circle.
>
> Do the same with the circle at three o'clock.
>
> You should have:
>
> A large circle, with a small circle in the middle, surrounded by six
> other
> small circles spaced evenly just inside the perimeter, with one circle
> each at
> the nine and three o'clock positions, no circles at twelve or six, but
> four
> circles which would describe an X if connected with straight lines.
> Whew!
>
> Now make a little rectangle on top of each of the large circles, to
> represent
> the index key on the plug, or keyway in the socket. These should look
> like
> your components when looking directly into the connectors.
>
> I'll give the numbers using the clock position. If, by now, 4:30 isn't
> clear...hire somebody. Here's the dope:
>
> ON THE TRAILER
>
> #1. 4:30 WHITE GROUND
> #2 7:30 BLUE CHARGE BATTERY FROM TOW VEHICLE
> #3 1:30 GREEN RUNNING LIGHTS
> #4 10:30 BLACK STOP LIGHTS
> #5 3:00 RED LEFT TURN SIGNAL
> #6 9:00 BROWN RIGHT TURN SIGNAL
> YELLOW CENTER WIRE IS BRAKES
>
> ON THE TOW VEHICLE
>
> #1 7:30 WHITE GROUND
> #2 4:30 BLUE CHARGING WIRE
> #3 10:30 GREEN RUNNING LIGHTS
> #4 1:30 BLACK STOP LIGHTS
> #5 9:00 RED LEFT TURN SIGNAL
> #6 3:00 BROWN RIGHT TURN
> YELLOW CENTER WIRE IS BRAKES
>
>
> I gotta get my scanner fixed! Hope this helped somebody out there!
>
>
> Mark in Modesto
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:56:04 -0700
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Send it to Toby Folwick, web master for the Vintage Airstream Club, and
ask him to post it in the resources section.
Ask Tom Patterson to post on his site also.
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1979 23' Safari
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
Orange, CA
http://www.tompatterson.com/VALgallery/index.php?action=displaycat&catid=21
Dean wrote:
>This is a great explanation for the older wiring.
>Someone needs to put this on a Web site so others years from now can
>read it..
>Good Work Mark !
>
>See You On the Road
>Dean & Kay
>WBCCI 2486
>IOWA
>
>
>On Aug 28, 2004, at 3:14 PM, Mark wrote:
>
>
>
>>Having made the offer to Chuck to give a verbal (written) description
>>of the
>>wiring diagram for his 1962 Tradewind 7-pin connectors, I started
>>wondering if
>>I could pull that off in a 'gettable' way.
>>
>>If you're not wiring an old 'Stream 7-pin connector, delete this now,
>>onaccounta it will be boring, worthless and confusing. If you ARE
>>messing
>>with the wires on your old one, be warned that this might confuse you
>>even
>>more. I hope not. I'll be using a clock dial to describe some
>>positions.
>>
>>Anyway, here goes:
>>
>>
>>On a large sheet of paper, draw two large circles (3"?), side by side.
>>
>>In the center of each, draw a small circle (1/4").
>>
>>At 'nine o'clock' and 'three o'clock', draw small circles.
>>
>>Halfway between the circle at nine and straIght up (12:00), make a
>>small
>>circle.
>>
>>Halfway between the circle at nine and straight down (6:00), make a
>>circle.
>>
>>Do the same with the circle at three o'clock.
>>
>>You should have:
>>
>>A large circle, with a small circle in the middle, surrounded by six
>>other
>>small circles spaced evenly just inside the perimeter, with one circle
>>each at
>>the nine and three o'clock positions, no circles at twelve or six, but
>>four
>>circles which would describe an X if connected with straight lines.
>>Whew!
>>
>>Now make a little rectangle on top of each of the large circles, to
>>represent
>>the index key on the plug, or keyway in the socket. These should look
>>like
>>your components when looking directly into the connectors.
>>
>>I'll give the numbers using the clock position. If, by now, 4:30 isn't
>>clear...hire somebody. Here's the dope:
>>
>>ON THE TRAILER
>>
>>#1. 4:30 WHITE GROUND
>>#2 7:30 BLUE CHARGE BATTERY FROM TOW VEHICLE
>>#3 1:30 GREEN RUNNING LIGHTS
>>#4 10:30 BLACK STOP LIGHTS
>>#5 3:00 RED LEFT TURN SIGNAL
>>#6 9:00 BROWN RIGHT TURN SIGNAL
>>YELLOW CENTER WIRE IS BRAKES
>>
>>ON THE TOW VEHICLE
>>
>>#1 7:30 WHITE GROUND
>>#2 4:30 BLUE CHARGING WIRE
>>#3 10:30 GREEN RUNNING LIGHTS
>>#4 1:30 BLACK STOP LIGHTS
>>#5 9:00 RED LEFT TURN SIGNAL
>>#6 3:00 BROWN RIGHT TURN
>>YELLOW CENTER WIRE IS BRAKES
>>
>>
>>I gotta get my scanner fixed! Hope this helped somebody out there!
>>
>>
>>Mark in Modesto
>>
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:54:53 -0600
From: rob <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
Dean wrote:
>This is a great explanation for the older wiring.
>Someone needs to put this on a Web site so others years from now can
>read it..
>
There are .pdf files of some of the manuals on the Vintage Airstream web
site in the resources section:
http://airstream.net/members/documents/trailer%20manuals/
Rob Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter
WBCCI #1824, VAC
Denver, CO
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:42:42 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 7 pin Connector answer
I was able to understand it, but it doesn't match the '68 owners
manual, nor the modern Bargman to which modern tow vehicle
packages will be wired so the trailer should be converted to the
Bargman standard. A copy comes in the package with the connector
(Its faster and more effective to replace the connector than to clean
it). I have a scan I downloaded a few years ago from the Bargman
web page. I suspect a google search would turn it up quickly.
Point is, that Airstream's connections have changed at least once or
twice over the decades, and any trailer on the road probably has
been changed too, but not necessarily. That's why it may be necessary
to identify each circuit as I described earlier, by applying power
through the large lamp so there's no smoke when ground is found.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:32:00 +0000
From: c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] 7 Pin Connector
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:37:09 +0000
From: c-l@xxxxxxxxxx.net
Subject: [VAL] 7 Pin connector
Many thanks to all that relied to my problem. I hope it gets posted so someone else
won't have to do as I did.
Where the problem was, in the underbelly, where the embelical cord is split up to the
various circuits, the wire started as one color, and by the time it got to the plug it
was different(mixed colors spliced.
So I took the plug apart, found the ground, and then found what each wire did, and set
up the plug accordingly. Time consuming, but everythin works now.
Again, thanks to all that replied.
Chuck & Lynn
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:19:09 EDT
From: M1492@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] given up on AS
My brother and I use to go camping in my 22' safari, 2 years ago my
Brother got sick and then dyed. This spring I decided the safari was too big
For just me so I listed it for sale in the VAC classifieds for 6800$ not a
call
Or e-mall -I lowered the price & tried again -no Reponses I listed on other
As sites, n g all the while watching the small ones- Bambi, caravel etc
Prices skyrocketing in price -so I figured I'd trade it in on a new 16'
Bambi not! It would take a 2nd mortgage to do that! And it's its just as heavy
As my 22' (I don't like the spring bars)----so I've given up on AS bought a
13' boler, not as plush but affordable! no spring bars, aro to tow
I took my as to a r v dealer near me & put it on consignment for 5600
They are opomisic we well see.if it sells good, I will have lost thousands
Of dollars & lots of time its amazing what fads will do to price of things
o yes i will miss the club events the few that we went were fun
Mark
67 safari
78 boler
Li NY
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:06:22 -0400
From: "Patricia V. Raimondo" <praimond@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Raising Pearl
Hi All,
Got home from Jackson Center last night (and from 2.5 months on the
road!). Spent two days there having my Flying Cloud raised about 4" and
a few other small repairs that make my life in Pearl a little easier.
What they did on the first day was flip the axle, which raised her
about 8", way too high. They towed her back to the terraport for me to
sleep in for the night and I had to jump up to get in! The stabilizers
were totally vertical when I lowered them! Next morning I was at the
office at 7am sharp to voice an objection but it was unnessessary, they
knew it. They then shortened the shackels which lowered it acheiving an
overall raise of 4". The mechanic's wife drove 40 miles round trip to
pick up four new U bolts for the springs that the plant didn't have. I
spent most of the two days in the bay with the mechanics and I know how
hard they worked to get it right. The tow home (12 hours) seemed
smoother somehow.
For the three nights I spent at the terraport I was parked next to the
new Pres. of the WBCCI, Jim Haddaway. He and his wife came over to my
54 FC to introduce themselves and get a look at Pearl. I liked them
immediatley! Wanted to make sure I was a member of the VAC. Very easy
to talk to and interested in my opinion of the WBCCI and wanted to know
about the VAC. I didn't remember that he had attended the VAC breakfast
in Vermont. He owns a 34ft. classic trailer and was the only trailer in
Presidents row at International. He and his wife, Janie, welcome new
ideas and encourage people to let them know what they think.
I can't believe the summer is over and I have to go back to school in a
week! I loved my time on the road, never felt cramped in a 21ft.
trailer! Wasn't ready to have it end. I did have one harrowing week at
the WDCU rally at the Outer Banks. One of my dogs, Nick, fell very ill
and spent a week at the animal hospital in Roanoke. The first three
days I thought he was a goner. I was lucky to have been at a rally
with good friends who helped me through a very difficult week and
hugged me when I cried! I never felt alone and was so grateful for the
company of such warm and caring people. Belonging to the VAC and Units
makes every rally a personal experience, I won't change a moment of it!
Patti
Long Island, NY
1954 Flying Cloud
02 2500 Suburban
WBCCI # 3321
Washington DC Unit
Denver Unit
VAC
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:01:09 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Raising Pearl
I'm glad you finally made it home safe, Patti.
So, how is Nick now?
Roger
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