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VAL Digest           Friday, August 27 2004           Volume 01 : Number 352




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] Website and mailing list
[VAL] My electric jack
RE: [VAL] Protecting the polish job
[VAL] New to the group
Re: [VAL] My electric jack
[VAL] Restorations
RE: [VAL] My electric jack
Re: [VAL] My electric jack
[VAL] tow vehicle
Re: [VAL] Restorations
[VAL] Blackwater tank dump valve and 'exhaust' fittings...
Re: [VAL] New to the group
[VAL] Re: Region 7 Rally
[VAL] Re: Dump Valve in 1960 Pacer - Followup
RE: [VAL] Restorations
[VAL] FunkyJunk

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:19:43 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Website and mailing list

The Vintage Airstream E-Mail List is now back up.  There was a problem with
the hosting company, but that has now been resolved and the list is back in
business.

- -Tom

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:58:58 -0500
From: "Chaplain Kent" <Chaplainkent@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] My electric jack

Please fellow listers be patient with me, my expertise is not in mechanical
things but I will offer prayer to all who offer help to me.
The cruel, unethical, thief who sold me the electric jack for my trailer
refuses to take the worthless piece of junk back so I have no choice but to
make it work since I do not have another $150.00 to invest in another jack. I
will provide his name to anyone who wants so you will not be ripped off by him
since he is still selling vintage Airstream parts.
When the jack is installed it does not run. The wire connected to it is hot
and on an amp meter without the jack switch on registers 12.43 when I turn the
jack switch on the amp meter registers 00.04. I have the amp meter set on the
V-  20 setting. Holding the red lead to the connected wires and the black to
the grounded installation plate. Does anyone know what is wrong and what I
need to do?
Hopefully I have provided enough information please let me know if you need
more info.
Chaplain Kent

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:16:15 -0400
From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Protecting the polish job

It's 2001 that P&S Recommends!!

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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:22 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Protecting the polish job

You may want to check with the guys at P&S in Ohio.
The son just polished his 64 Overlander and I thought
he told me that he was trying out some type wax to
help keep the look longer.

Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270

> Hi all,
> Well I'm polishing like crazy on my 59 Traveler again.  And I'm really
> trying to find out what might be good follow up for protecting that
> shine when this round is complete.  I'm using Nuvite polish and it's
> beautiful.  The shine doesn't last long, I think because it's stored
in
> an open ended "carport" type structure (heavy tubing covered with
heavy
> "tarp-type" material) and still receives a lot of weather.  I'm
> interested in some final finish to help the shine job stand up to that
> weather.  I am working on closing in one end of the cover structure
but
> that will take a while.
> I would appreciate any suggestions/experiences along these lines that
> you might offer, either here on the list or to my email address.
> Thank you.
> Cindy
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:41:56 -0400
From: John Morris <volksnut@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] New to the group

Fellow vintage airstreamers,

My name is John Morris I am new to the whole airstream scene. I just
purchased a 1962 28' ambassador. We bought the airstream to replace our
vintage serro-scotty, which is really too small for us. I have had the
airstream less than a week but so far I am very pleased with the condition.
I have a question about the blackwater drain valve on my unit. I have not
had much time to investigate, is there a valve between the belly pan and the
floor of the trailer? If so how do you operate it? The only thing I have is
a fitting hanging out of the belly pan. The fitting that is (stuck) on my
airstream looks like it belongs on the end of the sewer hose. In a box of
parts  inside the trailer I found a cap thingy that a garden hose could
screw into. It looks as though these things attach to two little lugs
sticking out of the pipe from the tank. Do modern camper sewer hose
connectors fit on to this stuff? Do I have to buy special fittings? Should I
have some kind of valve sticking out of the belly pan? Any help would be
greatly appreciated! One more question what is a good source for parts for
these vintage units?

Thank you in advance,
John W. Morris
Richmond, Ohio

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:06:57 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] My electric jack

If I were you, I'd try the jack with a different, fresh battery.  That much 
of a drop on the meter tells me that you might have a dud battery, that 
won't put out the voltage under load.

Roger

Roger Hightower, WBCCI #4165, VAC
1975 31' Sovereign
2002 Ford F-250 PSD 

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:44:05 -0400
From: <nicholas_s_novia@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Restorations

OK...after four years of barely working on my '68, I am ready to call it
quits. I am in Connecticut.  Who does restorations...from the ground up near
me?

Nick
'68 Safari
WBCCI # 2577
WDCU
VAC


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. Hale" <chale@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
To: "Airstream Yahoo list" <AirstreamList@xxxxxxxxxx.com>;
<valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: [VAL] Protecting the polish job


> Hi all,
> Well I'm polishing like crazy on my 59 Traveler again.  And I'm really
> trying to find out what might be good follow up for protecting that
> shine when this round is complete.  I'm using Nuvite polish and it's
> beautiful.  The shine doesn't last long, I think because it's stored in
> an open ended "carport" type structure (heavy tubing covered with heavy
> "tarp-type" material) and still receives a lot of weather.  I'm
> interested in some final finish to help the shine job stand up to that
> weather.  I am working on closing in one end of the cover structure but
> that will take a while.
> I would appreciate any suggestions/experiences along these lines that
> you might offer, either here on the list or to my email address.
> Thank you.
> Cindy
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:18:34 -0500
From: "dtidmore" <dtidmore@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] My electric jack

I think you meant to say you were using a volt meter.  If the voltage reads
12+v under no load and almost zero when you attempt to power the jack, AND
no fuses are being blown then you have a bad connection somewhere between
the battery, the fuse and the jack.  What happens with a bad connection is
that under no load, the voltage will read good, but attempt to draw some
current and the bad connection acts as open and the voltage falls to near
zero.  I would suggest that you try running a new wire direct from the
battery thru a fuse to the jack just a test.  If it works there, then the
problem is in a connection somewhere.  What you are describing would not
indicate a problem with the jack. If the jack were shorted and everything
else was okay, you would be blowing a fuse and the voltage would not return
to 12v when you release the switch on the jack.  Also since the voltage
drops when you attempt to power the jack that indicates that the jack is
attempting to run but is lacking adequate power to operate.

david  

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From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Chaplain Kent
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:59 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] My electric jack

Please fellow listers be patient with me, my expertise is not in mechanical
things but I will offer prayer to all who offer help to me.
The cruel, unethical, thief who sold me the electric jack for my trailer
refuses to take the worthless piece of junk back so I have no choice but to
make it work since I do not have another $150.00 to invest in another jack.
I
will provide his name to anyone who wants so you will not be ripped off by
him
since he is still selling vintage Airstream parts.
When the jack is installed it does not run. The wire connected to it is hot
and on an amp meter without the jack switch on registers 12.43 when I turn
the
jack switch on the amp meter registers 00.04. I have the amp meter set on
the
V-  20 setting. Holding the red lead to the connected wires and the black to
the grounded installation plate. Does anyone know what is wrong and what I
need to do?
Hopefully I have provided enough information please let me know if you need
more info.
Chaplain Kent

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:21:29 -0700
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] My electric jack

First off, that which you are measuring is volts (V20), not amps.  It sounds
like you have it on the right setting, as long as it's set for DC and not AC.
However, why the voltage would suddenly drop when you throw the switch is not
clear.

If I were in your sandals, I would run a fat wire (jumper cables) directly
from the battery plus terminal to the 'hot' wire on the jack, then clamp the
battery ground (negative) to the body of the jack, and try it that way.  This
will eliminate any voltage drop in the wires between the battery and the jack,
and give it the best juice it can get from your battery.

Try that and let us know what happens.

Mark in Modesto

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: robert brandt <rdbrandt_1930@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] tow vehicle

All small vans are not front wheel drive, the
Chevrolet Astro van is rear wheel and has a tow
capacity of 5000 lbs.  We have used an 89 for several
years towing our 69 Caravel about the west with no
problem.

Rob and Carole
San Diego


		
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:34:11 -0500
From: <Balloon@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Restorations

Nick,

Wayne Moore in the WDCU is close to you in NH. If anybody in your area
would know, it be him.

Paul Waddell
WBCCI/VAC/WDCU 1270


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nicholas_s_novia@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: [VAL] Restorations


> OK...after four years of barely working on my '68, I am ready to call it
> quits. I am in Connecticut.  Who does restorations...from the ground up
near
> me?
>
> Nick
> '68 Safari
> WBCCI # 2577
> WDCU
> VAC
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "C. Hale" <chale@xxxxxxxxxx.ca>
> To: "Airstream Yahoo list" <AirstreamList@xxxxxxxxxx.com>;
> <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:04 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Protecting the polish job
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Well I'm polishing like crazy on my 59 Traveler again.  And I'm really
> > trying to find out what might be good follow up for protecting that
> > shine when this round is complete.  I'm using Nuvite polish and it's
> > beautiful.  The shine doesn't last long, I think because it's stored in
> > an open ended "carport" type structure (heavy tubing covered with heavy
> > "tarp-type" material) and still receives a lot of weather.  I'm
> > interested in some final finish to help the shine job stand up to that
> > weather.  I am working on closing in one end of the cover structure but
> > that will take a while.
> > I would appreciate any suggestions/experiences along these lines that
> > you might offer, either here on the list or to my email address.
> > Thank you.
> > Cindy
> >
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:43:23 -0700
From: "Mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Blackwater tank dump valve and 'exhaust' fittings...

Hello John, welcome aboard and congratulations on your step up to the top of
the travel trailer heap!

On my '62 Tradewind, there's a little handle just under the head area,
accessible from the outside, which needs to be unscrewed a few turns, then it
pulls out and dumps the blackwater.  When the tank is empty, you shove the
handle back in and tighten it back up again with a few clockwise twists.

My gray water runs right out the big pipe, unless I cap it off with the cap
such as you described...with the hose fitting.  I run that small hose into a
plastic tank to keep the gray water contained, when I have no place to connect
the big hose.

When you ARE connected to a sewer line, leave the dump valve CLOSED until you
want to dump the tank, then close it when you've finished emptying the tank,
or the valve will get clogged and stuck with dried up things too fierce to
mention, and it will drip and leak right where you don't want it
to...anywhere!

I believe the last time I bought a hose and fitting for mine, I had to buy the
'old style' onaccounta the standards changed to a smaller hose on the later
models.  One of these decades I'm going to re-plumb that 'exhaust' to bring it
up to date, butt for now, it works just like it did when God designed it.

If it ain't broke...

Hope that helped and I hope you love your new/old Airstream like the rest of
us do ours!

Mark in Modesto

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:07:54 -0500
From: Herb Spies <spies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] New to the group

Yes there should be a valve between the black tank and the the sewer 
connector you see undereath the trailer. The connector is probably a 
Thetford connector. (It could have been changed to the more prevalent 
Valterra style).  

Parts sources are listed on RJs page at

http://vintageairstream.com/rr_topics_suppliers.html

A good starter page on common  problems and fixs is at

http://www.airstream.net/FAQ/FAQ_11.html

Welcome to the Vintage Airstream world.

Herb

John Morris wrote:

>Fellow vintage airstreamers,
>
>My name is John Morris I am new to the whole airstream scene. I just
>purchased a 1962 28' ambassador. We bought the airstream to replace our
>vintage serro-scotty, which is really too small for us. I have had the
>airstream less than a week but so far I am very pleased with the condition.
>I have a question about the blackwater drain valve on my unit. I have not
>had much time to investigate, is there a valve between the belly pan and the
>floor of the trailer? If so how do you operate it? The only thing I have is
>a fitting hanging out of the belly pan. The fitting that is (stuck) on my
>airstream looks like it belongs on the end of the sewer hose. In a box of
>parts  inside the trailer I found a cap thingy that a garden hose could
>screw into. It looks as though these things attach to two little lugs
>sticking out of the pipe from the tank. Do modern camper sewer hose
>connectors fit on to this stuff? Do I have to buy special fittings? Should I
>have some kind of valve sticking out of the belly pan? Any help would be
>greatly appreciated! One more question what is a good source for parts for
>these vintage units?
>
>Thank you in advance,
>John W. Morris
>Richmond, Ohio
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:12:30 -0400
From: John Sellers <sellersj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Region 7 Rally

Chris,

Glad you enjoyed the WBCCI Region 7 rally.  It was a great rally and we
had a ball.  Note that Region 7 also has an annual Vintage rally which,
if you like that "vintage attitude", I know you will also enjoy! I
believe it's tentatively scheduled for the first week in August next
year, but that's subject to change.

(The Region 7 VAC rally is a buddy rally, so you don't even have to have
an Airstream to attend.  This year a fellow brought a painstakingly
restored Trotwood "canned ham" and I think he had more visitors during
the open house than anybody else.)  

Best regards,
John & Barb Sellers
WBCCI/VAC #1587
1960 Pacer
Dayton, Ohio

> From: Chris Koehn <timberguides@xxxxxxxxxx.com> 

> I'd also like to thank all those on the list from region 7 for 
> welcoming us to our first rally this past weekend in Door County, WI. 
> Especially Ed E, who had the quote of the weekend: "vintage is an 
> attitude". While our '79 barely qualifies as vintage, we were welcomed 
> to the vintage community with open arms. The vintage group had the most 
> fun, was the most kid friendly, and certainly were the most welcoming.
> Thanks again- this was our first rally but won't be our last!
> 
> Chris K.
> #8638
> 1979 @31'- prepared to full time with two young boys beginning 9/1 
> (yah, insanity DOES run in the family..)

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:13:19 -0400
From: John Sellers <sellersj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Dump Valve in 1960 Pacer - Followup

Rob & Shari,

Gee, thanks!

Having earned my VAC "sewage system" merit badge with the dump valve
overhaul, with sweaty palms and rapidly beating heart I am fast
approaching that watershed Vintage Airstream rite of
passage--polishing.  In accordance with the teachings of the polishing
workshop at the recent Region 7 VAC rally, I have equipped myself with
variable speed buffer, Cyclo, paint stripper, Nuvite, and innumerable
yards of sweatshirt material.  Stout hearts, and into the breach!   

I'll let you all know how it comes out.

Best,
John & Barb Sellers
WBCCI/VAC #1587
1960 Pacer
Dayton, Ohio

> From: Robert Davis <rob-iod@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> Subject: Re: [VAL] Dump Valve in 1960 Pacer - Followup
> 
> Since John doesn't have a web server handy, we put his reference photos on ours.  
He also included explanations of the pictures below for those following the thread. 
Here's the link:
> 
> http://www.insideout-design.net/maxwell/sellers/sellers-valve.html
> 
> Rob & Shari Davis
> '64 GlobeTrotter
> Denver, CO
> WBCCI #1824, VAC

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:52:14 -0400
From: "S. W. Sandy" <swsandy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Restorations

Hi Nick,
	Long time no hear from. Hey, I've got a guy near me, his name is Ron
Amme, also a member of WBCCI, who does very good work. He has done some
trailers for a Motel in Wildwood, NJ which rent as Motel Rooms for $200/
night, he has been an A/s Dealer and repair/ restoration specialist since
the 60's. He's presently doing a one- off '49 Clipper for Anthony Slocock
from London, England, see http://www.dwmorrison.com/sjrvinside.htm for pix.
His Tel #s are, 856-697-9600, 856-358-0888
						Walt
Sanderson W. Sandy
Pilesgrove, NJ
WBCCI # 4159
VAC & Delaware Valley NJ Unit
1970 27' Overlander
1960 17" Pacer
'99 Ford F250 V10
'99 Ford Expedition 5.4 V8
Region 2 VAC Representative
E- Mail: swsandy@xxxxxxxxxx.com

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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:44 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Restorations

OK...after four years of barely working on my '68, I am ready to call it
quits. I am in Connecticut.  Who does restorations...from the ground up near
me?

Nick
'68 Safari
WBCCI # 2577
WDCU
VAC

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:22:22 -0700
From: Rob Super <robsuper@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] FunkyJunk

Stumbled across this:

http://www.funkyjunkfarms.com

Not much Airstream, but if you're interested in old travel trailers 
check it out.

Rob

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