VAL Digest V1 #344

VAL Digest          Thursday, August 19 2004          Volume 01 : Number 344




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Topics in Today's Digest:

[VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop
[VAL] Request for trailer
RE: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop
Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop
Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog  poop
[VAL] Dogs............
Re: [VAL] Dogs./ Pet Section...........
RE: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website
RE: [VAL] Re:  LED lights
[VAL] AC installation
Re: [VAL] AC installation
[VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?
Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop
Re: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?
[VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...
Re: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?
Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...
Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...
RE: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...
Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...
Re: [VAL] A call for curtain slider selection help
RE: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...
Re: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website
[VAL] NOISE, Neighbors, and camping.
Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:15:31 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop

Jack,

Is this a serious question or a joke?  After all I said here about being a
very good citizen you ask me if we pick up after our animals?  I'm not even
sure that this question deserves an answer -- it should be a no-brainer.

To answer you:  Yes, of course we do!  We've even got "dedicated tools" to
do just that -- pick it up, all of it.

I don't know whether or not to take you seriously, Jack.  Was this an
attempt at humor that I missed?  Or, have all the pet owners you've run into
left a bad taste in your mouth?  Inquiring minds you know.

Tom


From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>


> Tom, dogs bark... it's what they do. I'm sure people appreciate your
> thoughtfulness.... But do you pick up their poops?



> > I'm very aware of my surroundings and I try my best to keep my dogs
> *quiet*
> > so that they hardly, if ever, disturb other neighbors.  I do the same
> thing
> > at our home; my dogs do *not* cause problems, I won't allow it to happen
> and
> > as such I feel that I am doing both my dogs and others what is expected
> out
> > of me as an animal owner.
> >
> > Don't you wish *all* pet owners were as thoughtful?  I sure do!

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:53:49 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Request for trailer

I received the following e-mail from Thecaswellagency@xxxxxxxxxx.com.  Anyone
interested can contact them.

- -Tom
_____________________________________

We are looking for a small vintage airstream trailer to use in a trade show
booth exhibit at SEMA in Las Vegas in November. The closer the trailer is to
Las Vegas, the better.

If you can be of assistance in leading us to the right people, I would
appreciate it.

Thank you
Chuck Caswell

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:10:08 -0400
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop

Hello,
This is a sore subject in the WBCCI and all dog owners should be aware
that the WBCCI is looking hard at this issue. As a dog owner X 2 (and a
cat) I know how important it is to keep your dogs under control, closely
watched and cleaned up after. I have run into a number of Dog Owners
that make the rest of our lives miserable because they don't take care
of the noise or mess. If you have a barker,  either leave them at home
or train them not to. If you don't clean up after them, I have been
known to clean up for you and leave it on your step for the next
morning, (better you than me stepping in it in my bare feet,  and I
don't even light the bag on fire!). Also I don't like to be segregated
at rallies because of my dogs and this will stop if we dog owners do our
part.

I purchased the Airstream so I could travel in comfort with my dogs and
kids, the club is a nice perk. I have had my own battles with the WBCCI
over this topic in the past and don't need other poor pet owners setting
my progress back.

Train your animals, be diligent in you management of their activities
and we won't have WBCCI or campground problems. Don't..................
and we'll talk (or I'll leave you a nice present!)

Ed
WBCCI/VAC 4425
68 Sovereign (big enough for all the dogs and the damn cat)
59 Traveler (this could be interesting with all of us in it)

- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:16 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop


Jack,

Is this a serious question or a joke?  After all I said here about being
a very good citizen you ask me if we pick up after our animals?  I'm not
even sure that this question deserves an answer -- it should be a
no-brainer.

To answer you:  Yes, of course we do!  We've even got "dedicated tools"
to do just that -- pick it up, all of it.

I don't know whether or not to take you seriously, Jack.  Was this an
attempt at humor that I missed?  Or, have all the pet owners you've run
into left a bad taste in your mouth?  Inquiring minds you know.

Tom


From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>


> Tom, dogs bark... it's what they do. I'm sure people appreciate your 
> thoughtfulness.... But do you pick up their poops?



> > I'm very aware of my surroundings and I try my best to keep my dogs
> *quiet*
> > so that they hardly, if ever, disturb other neighbors.  I do the 
> > same
> thing
> > at our home; my dogs do *not* cause problems, I won't allow it to 
> > happen
> and
> > as such I feel that I am doing both my dogs and others what is 
> > expected
> out
> > of me as an animal owner.
> >
> > Don't you wish *all* pet owners were as thoughtful?  I sure do!

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:52:48 -0400
From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop

Tom-

I think you need to lighten up, or be prepared for more confusion... I kinda
'knew' you picked up after your animals- from your dissertation on how
concerned you are about keeping them quiet, (and noting how considerate you
are) in doing so.  If you are that concerned about what comes out of the
front end of a dog, -you're probably concerned about what comes out of the
other end too.

Trouble is, it's been my observation that the folks who crow the most about
(anything)- are the ones who only do it for the edification of those who
notice, -like the people who 'pickup' after their animal -only- when they
think someone is watching... and -I'm not talking about you here, but you've
seen them.

That much concern for campground neighbors' rights to a quiet
campground -makes a suppressive atmosphere for the animals. Far better to do
'remote' camping and let the animals have some freedom too, than to suppress
them with rules and sensibilities they don't understand.

Sure, I was needling you... not because you have animals, but because I saw
you patting yourself on the back and putting less considerate people (in
your opinion) -down at the same time; -I have more of a problem with
judgmental people than I do with a dog's barking or his poops, and here I am
being -judgmental.

We have two dogs and two cats that "always, always" -go with us where we
go... (which can be -interesting-), and we make the effort to respect
non-pet owner's sensibilities... but I don't see the need to post it or call
anyone's attention to it... and none of this has anything to do with
Airstreams, vintage or otherwise -anyway. Nuf' Sed.


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:15 AM
Subject: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop


> Jack,
>
> Is this a serious question or a joke?  After all I said here about being a
> very good citizen you ask me if we pick up after our animals?  I'm not
even
> sure that this question deserves an answer -- it should be a no-brainer.
>
> To answer you:  Yes, of course we do!  We've even got "dedicated tools" to
> do just that -- pick it up, all of it.
>
> I don't know whether or not to take you seriously, Jack.  Was this an
> attempt at humor that I missed?  Or, have all the pet owners you've run
into
> left a bad taste in your mouth?  Inquiring minds you know.
>
> Tom
>
>
> From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
>
> > Tom, dogs bark... it's what they do. I'm sure people appreciate your
> > thoughtfulness.... But do you pick up their poops?
>
>
>
> > > I'm very aware of my surroundings and I try my best to keep my dogs
> > *quiet*
> > > so that they hardly, if ever, disturb other neighbors.  I do the same
> > thing
> > > at our home; my dogs do *not* cause problems, I won't allow it to
happen
> > and
> > > as such I feel that I am doing both my dogs and others what is
expected
> > out
> > > of me as an animal owner.
> > >
> > > Don't you wish *all* pet owners were as thoughtful?  I sure do!
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:24:56 -0400
From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog  poop

Ed, I agree with you completely- it's a sore point with me too, that I get
discriminated against for having pets... -because of the actions or
in-actions of other pet owners... (We have 2 & 2 that travel with us) My
answer to Tom's last post  and my agreement with your frustrations should
make that clear...

But if you -ever- feel inclined to put someone else's calling card on -my-
step, I'll be happy to explain it to you that you got the -wrong- step. You
might not be happy with the explanation, so you better be sure of what
you're doing.

Jack


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eemerick" <eemerick@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop


> Hello,
> This is a sore subject in the WBCCI and all dog owners should be aware
> that the WBCCI is looking hard at this issue. As a dog owner X 2 (and a
> cat) I know how important it is to keep your dogs under control, closely
> watched and cleaned up after. I have run into a number of Dog Owners
> that make the rest of our lives miserable because they don't take care
> of the noise or mess. If you have a barker,  either leave them at home
> or train them not to. If you don't clean up after them, I have been
> known to clean up for you and leave it on your step for the next
> morning, (better you than me stepping in it in my bare feet,  and I
> don't even light the bag on fire!). Also I don't like to be segregated
> at rallies because of my dogs and this will stop if we dog owners do our
> part.
>
> I purchased the Airstream so I could travel in comfort with my dogs and
> kids, the club is a nice perk. I have had my own battles with the WBCCI
> over this topic in the past and don't need other poor pet owners setting
> my progress back.
>
> Train your animals, be diligent in you management of their activities
> and we won't have WBCCI or campground problems. Don't..................
> and we'll talk (or I'll leave you a nice present!)
>
> Ed
> WBCCI/VAC 4425
> 68 Sovereign (big enough for all the dogs and the damn cat)
> 59 Traveler (this could be interesting with all of us in it)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Is this a serious question or a joke?  After all I said here about being
> a very good citizen you ask me if we pick up after our animals?  I'm not
> even sure that this question deserves an answer -- it should be a
> no-brainer.
>
> To answer you:  Yes, of course we do!  We've even got "dedicated tools"
> to do just that -- pick it up, all of it.
>
> I don't know whether or not to take you seriously, Jack.  Was this an
> attempt at humor that I missed?  Or, have all the pet owners you've run
> into left a bad taste in your mouth?  Inquiring minds you know.
>
> Tom
>
>
> From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>
>
> > Tom, dogs bark... it's what they do. I'm sure people appreciate your
> > thoughtfulness.... But do you pick up their poops?
>
>
>
> > > I'm very aware of my surroundings and I try my best to keep my dogs
> > *quiet*
> > > so that they hardly, if ever, disturb other neighbors.  I do the
> > > same
> > thing
> > > at our home; my dogs do *not* cause problems, I won't allow it to
> > > happen
> > and
> > > as such I feel that I am doing both my dogs and others what is
> > > expected
> > out
> > > of me as an animal owner.
> > >
> > > Don't you wish *all* pet owners were as thoughtful?  I sure do!
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:35:51 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Dogs............

I think we all better cool down and not get confrontational.  This thread is
at least on the verge of that happening.

- -Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop


>
> But if you -ever- feel inclined to put someone else's calling card on -my-
> step, I'll be happy to explain it to you that you got the -wrong- step.
You
> might not be happy with the explanation, so you better be sure of what
> you're doing.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:57:15 -0500
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Dogs./ Pet Section...........

As a former dog owner..(currently without) ...assuming all other things 
being fairly equal, we ask for a slot in the pet section...

We have found that pet owners are usually more tolerant, easier to be 
around and just generally a bit better grade of folks... ( not intended to 
put down those that chose to not have pets, just to thank the ones that do...)

Peace all... see you in the pet section...

Jim

At 09:35 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote:
>I think we all better cool down and not get confrontational.  This thread is
>at least on the verge of that happening.
>
>-Tom
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "JACK SLOAN" <nyseconds@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop
>
>
> >
> > But if you -ever- feel inclined to put someone else's calling card on -my-
> > step, I'll be happy to explain it to you that you got the -wrong- step.
>You
> > might not be happy with the explanation, so you better be sure of what
> > you're doing.
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:12:08 -0600
From: "jcchome" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website

Wally,

Nice site.  I'm in awe of the wiring and slimy stuff, and look forward
to the after pictures.

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
   
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Wally
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:10 PM
> To: VAList
> Subject: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website
> 
> 
> Oh, I guess if you read this far, you're actually wondering what the
> website
> address is...
> Here you go.  Enjoy!  www.vintageairstreamer.com
> 
> Wally
> '66 Caravel, Percy
> WBCCI #23618
> New Hampshire
> 
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:20:32 -0600
From: "jcchome" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Re:  LED lights

Hi All,

I have accumulated information from several of you, and will begin to
work on a LED light solution after our last trip this Fall.  I will post
the results.

Thanks everyone.

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
   
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of Rob Super
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:41 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Re: LED lights
> 
> Check out
> 
> www.superbrightleds.com
> 
> .I'm impressed w/their offerings and bought several modules that I'm
> experimenting with. Leaning toward mixing some "yellow" in with
"white"
> in order to get away from the electric blue cast of the latter.
> 
> Have fun.
> 
> Rob
> 
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:59:59 -0400
From: Jerry Jarrell <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] AC installation

To All. my wife and I are not totally satisfied with the portable AC
unit we use in the 57 Overlander (trying to get trailer pics up with
Tom's help). Therefore, she gave me the green light for roof AC unit. My
question: is the roof of this year and model stable enough to handle a
AC unit. When I installed the Fantastic fan I found a 110 elect.lin run
to the 14 X14" opening. This is the rear roof vent. Also there is an
original vent fan for the rear bath that sits very close to the vent
opening. What brand and where is the best prices? Should I have John
Bleakly who is nearby with a price estimate of $800 + labor do it as i
have a history of back problems as well as being over the hill :(. Any
help is appreciated.
Jerry (who was about to sell but wife talked me out of it)
WBCCI/VAC 4899

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:26:16 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <pattersontom@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] AC installation

I recently had two Coleman Power Saver a/c units installed in my Streamline
Travel Home.  The work so well (i.e., freeze you out) that I just yesterday
elected to have the same unit installed in my Streamline trailer.  Price to
me here in Houston is $599 plus about $100 labor.  I see the same unit on
the internet at $618.80
(http://www.camperswarehouse.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4697&M
MP=1).

My reason for installing the motorhome was the low current draw (10.2 amps),
which meant that I could easily run both units at the same time off my
original Onan.  The cooling proved to be much better than I had expected,
but then, the units being replaced were almost 40 years old.

- -Tom

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Jarrell" <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:59 AM
Subject: [VAL] AC installation


> To All. my wife and I are not totally satisfied with the portable AC
> unit we use in the 57 Overlander (trying to get trailer pics up with
> Tom's help). Therefore, she gave me the green light for roof AC unit. My
> question: is the roof of this year and model stable enough to handle a
> AC unit. When I installed the Fantastic fan I found a 110 elect.lin run
> to the 14 X14" opening. This is the rear roof vent. Also there is an
> original vent fan for the rear bath that sits very close to the vent
> opening. What brand and where is the best prices? Should I have John
> Bleakly who is nearby with a price estimate of $800 + labor do it as i
> have a history of back problems as well as being over the hill :(. Any
> help is appreciated.
> Jerry (who was about to sell but wife talked me out of it)
> WBCCI/VAC 4899
> ----------------------------------------------------
> This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:37:17 -0600
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?

Joy, I would also suggest looking at the Yamaha inverters:
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/gen/ef2800i.html

I especially like the EF2800i, light weigh (64 lbs), quiet (60-67 dba), and
fits in the back of a pickup with cover-16.7" high. I plan to buy one for
fitting under the cover on my F-250 SD. Then lift the cover and tailgate to
fire up, plug in the a/s power cord. It should fire your ac and charge the
battery.

Randy Unter

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:05:04 -0500
From: Cheyanne & Randy <bayoubuddies@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] For Jack Sloan, an answer to your question re:dog poop

On Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004, at 08:52 US/Central, JACK SLOAN wrote:

> Tom-
> Sure, I was needling you... not because you have animals, but because 
> I saw
> you patting yourself on the back and putting less considerate people 
> (in
> your opinion) -down at the same time; -I have more of a problem with
> judgmental people than I do with a dog's barking or his poops, and 
> here I am
> being -judgmental.
>
> non-pet owner's sensibilities... but I don't see the need to post it 
> or call
> any
>

It is usually those who crow the loudest who have something they feel 
they need to atone for.  If you have to  TELL everyone you are a good 
citizen.....

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:07:43 -0400
From: "Jim Stewart" <9stewart@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?

My Yamaha is VERY noisey and doesn't run very smoothly. If I needed a
generator more often, I would sell it cheap and buy two Honda 2000i's. On a
recent trip, in a rest stop, I noticed that my Yamaha 2800 was louder than
the 18 wheeler parked next to me. 67 dba is ALOT different than the 58 or so
dba of the Hondas.
Jim
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?


> Joy, I would also suggest looking at the Yamaha inverters:
> http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/gen/ef2800i.html
>
> I especially like the EF2800i, light weigh (64 lbs), quiet (60-67 dba),
and
> fits in the back of a pickup with cover-16.7" high. I plan to buy one for
> fitting under the cover on my F-250 SD. Then lift the cover and tailgate
to
> fire up, plug in the a/s power cord. It should fire your ac and charge the
> battery.
>
> Randy Unter
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:30:43 -0700
From: "Dave Huffman" <huffmandi@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

I see the intended use for A/C while "boon-docking" seems to be more
oriented to keeping the dogs cool while shopping.  A few years ago I visited
a campground on the Cascades Highway here in Washington state (highway just
blocked due to landslide, if any of you are planning to tour it).  What
should have been a lovely, quiet, camp in the woods was spoiled by a
generator running behind an old VW Van camper!  A/C does not belong in these
areas.
Huff

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:36:00 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Starting an airconditioner compressor
... It may be more effective to work with fans, and a shading canopy for
some
warm weather comfort, or plan to be in northern climes during hot weather.
... Gerald J.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:16:57 -0600
From: "Earl Peck" <earlpeck@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?

Randy,
Should work just fine now that the polarity lite is off :)
Take Care,
Earl Peck
65 Overlander
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Unter" <runter@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: [VAL] AC for my Argosy while boon docking?


> Joy, I would also suggest looking at the Yamaha inverters:
> http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/gen/ef2800i.html
>
> I especially like the EF2800i, light weigh (64 lbs), quiet (60-67 dba),
and
> fits in the back of a pickup with cover-16.7" high. I plan to buy one for
> fitting under the cover on my F-250 SD. Then lift the cover and tailgate
to
> fire up, plug in the a/s power cord. It should fire your ac and charge the
> battery.
>
> Randy Unter
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:17:37 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

I think you misunderstand the issue from my standpoint, Huff.

Seems you've combined a new idea for *camping* -- hit the woods and then hit
the stores! ;)  I doubt that would really be a possibility for most because
if they are that near the "shoppes" they can't be too far into the woods.

Have you ever traveled with lots of creature comforts or do you prefer to
camp on the ground with a thick foam pad under your sleeping bag and the
stars?  Do you go *camping* to get away from it all?  Or, do you go just to
get away and change the usual scenery?

I would suspect that if you own an Airstream trailer and I do not know if
you do or not or if you own an SOB for that matter, you got a "luxury"
camping vehicle or trailer so that you could continue to enjoy your
lifestyle. True?  Or, not?

Why were those people (can't be dogs running the campsite so there had to be
*people* with that VW) using a generator?  Did they have a real need?  Or,
do you think they just didn't care about who heard their "noise" in the
surrounding 5 miles near their chosen campsite?

Another question:  Were those people with their noisy generator and old VW
there before you?  Did they get their site before you even got there?
Maybe, just maybe, they had long term reservations for exactly where they
were camped.  Do you think any of this is at all possible?

Camping is a social thing for most of us who enjoy the outdoors and good
company.  But, camping can also be a very solitary thing to do when the
world bothers you.  Me?  I prefer social when I feel like it and solitary
when I feel like it.  I know there will be things I have to put up with
anywhere in the world but I don't let it bother me, if it's that bad I
change the scenery.

All of us have been victims of what I like to call "the good time gang" -- 
they usually arrive late at night and make lots of noise while they set up
their site not caring about those that had just fallen asleep in a quiet
park with the scent of pine in the air.  When morning comes and it looks
like it would be a rotten weekend if we didn't move ourselves to another
area, we move unless we see the "good time gang" packing their stuff so they
can get on down their road.

Do you have any electrical things in your trailer (if you even have an RV,
that is) that require 120 vdc?  If you have an air conditioner I would find
it difficult to believe that you'd never use it if you are within 5 miles of
another camper because you thought if you did you'd offend them.

We have to share space with our fellow citizens and good citizens make for
good neighbors and friendships that are hard to find nowadays.  Wouldn't you
agree?

Tom
WBCCI 5303


From: "Dave Huffman" <huffmandi@xxxxxxxxxx.com>


> I see the intended use for A/C while "boon-docking" seems to be more
> oriented to keeping the dogs cool while shopping.  A few years ago I
visited
> a campground on the Cascades Highway here in Washington state (highway
just
> blocked due to landslide, if any of you are planning to tour it).  What
> should have been a lovely, quiet, camp in the woods was spoiled by a
> generator running behind an old VW Van camper!  A/C does not belong in
these
> areas.
> Huf

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:32:27 EDT
From: JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

I am very curiots as to who gives verious persons the right to say where and 
where not ACs belong.
Jim Smith

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:58:04 -0400
From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

Jim; That is left up to the designers and builders of the unit!!!  Bob
Cornute  WBCCI 4953

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I am very curiots as to who gives verious persons the right to say where
and 
where not ACs belong.
Jim Smith

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:02:52 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <joytbrew@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

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> I am very curiots as to who gives verious persons the right to say where
and
> where not ACs belong.
> Jim Smith
>

I'm with you Jim, there are lots of reasons that an oldster like me and my
spouse need AC.  I'll be as quiet as possible and use my shootin' ear
deafeners to make it quiet if necessary.  What generator?  This weekend I'm
camping right in the middle of the first Virginia State Cowboy Action
Championship, Roanoke, VA. :)

Still working on getting my new axle installed.  But, there's too many irons
in the fire and my shootin' takes up too much time.

                                                     Regards, '74 Argosy 22,
Joy - aka  SASS alias Joy T Brew

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:08:29 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] A call for curtain slider selection help

    Tom, Charlie and Judy,

    Thanks to you all for your help.  Tom for the great images of your
curtain installations, including each style of slider used.  Charlie for the
link to Inland RV for the sliders and to Judy for the same at Camping World.

    I now what to look for and am developing a plan.

    On another note, I went to a fabric store today and selected a very
sturdy yet attractive green fabric for the five cushions I need to have
recovered.  I'll check in with a local upholsterer tomorrow to get the
yardage figures and then back to the fabric store to buy it.

    Judy, while there I'll ask about the sliders from them.  Then on to
selecting the fabric and having them made.

    Does anyone have any thoughts about using heavy cotton for the sun
shield/liner?  The type I'm referring to is cotton and almost looks like
painters canvas.  

    Thanks again to you all,

    Glyn

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:13:49 -0400
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

Jim,
While I agree with you in theory, I do believe that we all need to keep the
surrounding environment in mind when we utilize properties.  We should
respect others and not radically change the environment they expect to find.
I can tell you that I was very upset one night in the mountains of Utah when
a motor home pulled within 10' of my camper with his generator running after
10:00!  We were the only two campers in a very large open area ( over 1/4
mile) and he had room to move several hundred feet away and not impact me or
impair his access.  He did move the next morning which made me very happy.
Yes he had a right to be there and do what he pleased, but I thought he was
very inconsiderate of me.

Conversely, I was hunting in New Mexico 15 miles from any major road and
found that my only source of power was a generator that was much louder than
expected.  Coupled with a rental trailer with a poor battery meant that we
had to run the gen every day to keep the battery good for a couple of hours.
We ended up returning to camp mid-day to run the gen for an hour to give us
enough power to make it through dinner.  Only had a couple of rigs within
500 feet, but didn't want to interfere with their peaceful evenings.

Its not an issue of ACs, rather an issue of respect for others.

BTW, I've since purchased a Eu2000i so noise really isn't an issue while
boon docking.  I plan to get a second one so I can run my AC where ever I
want and still be courteous to any real or potential neighbors.
Pete



I am very curiots as to who gives verious persons the right to say where and
where not ACs belong.
Jim Smith

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:33:18 -0400
From: "Wally" <maltnhops@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website

Jim,

Yeah, I bought more than I bargained for.  I'll be more cautious next time
around.

Wally


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Subject: RE: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website


> Wally,
>
> Nice site.  I'm in awe of the wiring and slimy stuff, and look forward
> to the after pictures.
>
> Best Regards,
>    Jim
>
>    jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
>
>
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> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> > On Behalf Of Wally
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:10 PM
> > To: VAList
> > Subject: [VAL] Another Vintage Airstream website
> >
> >
> > Oh, I guess if you read this far, you're actually wondering what the
> > website
> > address is...
> > Here you go.  Enjoy!  www.vintageairstreamer.com
> >
> > Wally
> > '66 Caravel, Percy
> > WBCCI #23618
> > New Hampshire
> >
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:57:42 -0400
From: joepatwink@xxxxxxxxxx.net (Joe Winkler)
Subject: [VAL] NOISE, Neighbors, and camping.

>Jim,
>While I agree with you in theory, I do believe that we all need to keep the
>surrounding environment in mind when we utilize properties.  

  If I may be so bold as to add to this discussion. I own a generator and run it while 
boondocking in the fall and winter. I use it to keep the battery up so the furnace and 
lights work, I only run one tank and then figure it time to shut out the lights and go 
to bed. I have never run it while camping in a camping area, only while boondocking in 
the mountains. I do not consiter it any more displeasing than the thousands of campers 
who get to the mountains and build a large useless fire.
  Joe in Wyoming

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:10:46 -0500
From: "J. Anderson" <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] airconditioner compressors and NOISE...

Pete, thank you, that was very nicely expressed.  I too think this is an 
issue of respect and consideration for others, not what we have the 
right to subject others around us to.

I recently bought the Honda EU3000IS specifically because it was rated 
at the lowest decible level I could find, even though equivalent-sized 
generators can be had for half the price or less. (Note to list: no 
intention to be patting self on back here! :) ) This past July in 
sweltering heat in western Ontario, I ran it about 1 1/2 hours per day, 
broken up to about 20 minutes at a time,  and when we were leaving after 
5 days, our neighbor camper came over to chat and complimented me on the 
quiet generator.  He wanted to know the model so he could check into one 
for himself.

I do think it is a false dichotomy to say "I *have* to have  A/C, a 
generator, etc etc. because..(insert your own special case here)."   We 
all make choices; having pets is a choice, camping/trailering is a 
choice, travelling in a warm climate is a choice. Nobody *has* to do any 
of these things; they are choices made for our pleasure and 
convenience.  Seems to me we all  can have respect and consideration for 
other people's  legitimate concerns around us as we exercise those 
personal choices.

John
WBCCI 4682
1966 Sovereign

Peter Ryner wrote:

>Jim,
>While I agree with you in theory, I do believe that we all need to keep the
>surrounding environment in mind when we utilize properties.  We should
>respect others and not radically change the environment they expect to find.
>
>Its not an issue of ACs, rather an issue of respect for others.
>
>BTW, I've since purchased a Eu2000i so noise really isn't an issue while
>boon docking.  I plan to get a second one so I can run my AC where ever I
>want and still be courteous to any real or potential neighbors.
>Pete

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