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VAL Digest Monday, July 26 2004 Volume 01 : Number 320
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] building your own generator
Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Re: [VAL] 1960 Tradewind tire size
[VAL] serial # plate
Re: [VAL] building your own generator
RE: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Re: [VAL] building your own generator
[VAL] Folding campstove oven
Re: [VAL] Folding campstove oven
Re: [VAL] Zip Dee Spring replacemnt
Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
[VAL] horizonal gas bottles
[VAL] Grilling on the Road
Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Re: [VAL] Grilling on the Road
RE: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
RE: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:00:52 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: [VAL] building your own generator
I was wondering if any members here have built their own AC generator/s in the
past. I've been reading a page on the Internet that tells me it's really
pretty simple to construct my own custom, just for my purposes, generator.
It seems that you start with the generator head as it's called and build your
own system from there. Some of these designs even use an automotive
alternator for DC power so you can also charge your house batteries if you
wanted to go that route. Of course, that would require a larger engine for
the most part.
Since the propane tanks of our 34' Airstream are already set pretty far
forward on the trailer frame it seems to me that this would be an entirely
feasible type of generator to build. From what I've read so far it also leads
me to believe that a large capacity generator that will drive everything
inside your trailer can be done for less than buying one that is already
"made" but has things you may never need or use -- like all those extra plugs
for instance which are expensive to buy if you don't need or use them.
Engines for a project like this can run from different fuel sources such as
diesel, gasoline or the trailer LP supply. These engines can also be either
air or water cooled (which would be a lot quieter especially if it's enclosed
in a sound box).
Is anyone else here besides me considering installing your own generator on
your Airstream trailer? I've seen some installations and am hoping to see a
lot more from this post if possible.
On a side note, having enough power to run everything you have in your
Airstream trailer would make for comfortable travel when you can't get to or
don't want to stay at RV parks every night but you would like to be able to
run the air conditioner overnight while parked at Wally World. Just imagine
getting a really good, comfortable sleep with a totally, really totally, self
contained travel trailer. Maybe I'm on to something here! ;) What do you
think?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:27:04 EDT
From: Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
You can make corn bread in a cast iron frying pan on the stove top.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:36:09 EDT
From: Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] 1960 Tradewind tire size
Chuck, the 1960s had split rins.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:59:58 -0400
From: "David Turner" <jdturner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] serial # plate
Hello:
I have a 1958 Flying Cloud 21' and the serial number plate is missing.How can
I obtain a replacement.I don't even know the serial #.I looked on the
a-frame/hitch and found a large number stamped at the back/rear top of the
hitch coupler that reads
3 1976 could this be the serial #?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
David
WBCCI #5561
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 08:38:42 -0500
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] building your own generator
Tom:
I went through a phase of wanting to build my own and finally decided that
it is hard to end up with a "better than what's available out there" end
result... I bought the Honda 3kw quiet model and have not been sorry... If
you can do without air conditioning when boondocking or Walmart camping, I
would suggest the 2Kw model that is easier to carry and runs everything
except the air ... The smaller model was not available at the time and the
3kw model takes up a good portion of the back of our truck..
If you have all the pieces needed for the home built, you can probably get
an acceptable unit together, but if you need to buy an engine, an
alternator, shaft couplings, and a few special parts, you will spend a good
chunk of the $999.00 it takes to buy the 2Kw Honda quiet model... and you
will not have any kind of warranty, other than the piece part warranty
which is difficult to collect on when they can claim that you are not using
the unit in the manner it was intended to be used..(like the
alternator)....and I am willing to bet it will not be quiet... and the
output might run your electric drill just fine and your computer and or
television not at all...
I am big on "do it yourself" and remember a number of projects that were
just to see if I could do it... A lot of them were replaced "upgraded" to
the item I should have bought in the first place...
Take a close look at the Honda 2kw and if you feel the need to see if you
can "make one" , go for it... sometimes the joy is in the doing not the end
result... I always believed that there were three parts to the joy of
anything... looking forward to having/building/ buying the item...
selecting and actually building or buying the item... and telling/showing
all my friends what I had added to the mix...
I for one would like to hear what you decide and what the outcome was...by
the way, there are pictures of a couple of really nice generators in
housings mounted on trailers...lets hope some of the all electric folks can
help...
Have fun...
Jim
At 02:00 AM 7/25/2004, you wrote:
>From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>To: "valist" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Subject: [VAL] building your own generator
>
>I was wondering if any members here have built their own AC generator/s in the
>past. I've been reading a page on the Internet that tells me it's really
>pretty simple to construct my own custom, just for my purposes, generator.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:02:05 -0600
From: "JP Polly" <jppolly@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Coleman made an oven that can be put over a burner. It folds for storage so would be
appropriate for an RV. Check out the marine catalogs.
Polly in CO
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:35:42 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] building your own generator
The attachment (the list won't show it) is a picture of an alternator my
dad built maybe 30 years ago using a used mopar alternator with an
engine from a reel type lawn mower. It still runs though it uses a lot of
oil with its gasoline. The engine is very worn. There is no voltage
regulator so the charging rate depends on the throttle setting.
Maximum charge rate I've seen is 20 amps, which is the limit of the
ammeter mounted on this battery charger. It was originally made for
charging my dad's trolling motor battery when on fishing/camping
trips.
I used this summer for an amateur radio field day operation. I set the
charging rate to 5 amps and it used 2 quarts of fuel over about 8
hours of operation, probably used half of its crankcase supply of oil
due to the wear.
The relatively large homemade muffler keeps it relatively quiet. I can
pick it up with one hand, even with the steel parts all over. It lacks
safety shields needed around the camp site.
Packaging and muffling are the most difficult parts of the construction
process. And they tend to conflict with cooling needed by the engine
and the alternator. An automotive muffler, though large in volume,
can be very effective for muffling exhaust noise. Acoustically a muffler
with a larger volume can be more effective at silencing. Volume is
effective. The air cooled engine does radiate noise directly from the
cylinder and cylinder head. That's much harder to muffle without
restricting cooling excessively. The cooling fan can contribute noise.
Belt drive is far easier than a direct connection. It can allow a more
optimum engine speed and certainly less critical construction. If the
alternator is used for its alternating current output, its shaft must turn
at 1800 or 3600 rpm depending on whether the alternator has 4 or 8
poles. It takes a significantly larger engine to supply the load at 1800
rpm than at 3600 rpm when direct coupled. Generally the engine
running at 1800 rpm is quieter and has a far longer life than the engine
running 3600 rpm. There have been military generators made with the
engine running at 2400 rpm. These are man portable, but it takes
FOUR good men. I think their most common nomenclature was PE-72.
WW2 vintage.
Building enough generator to run air conditioning in the boondocks is
a pain. And a further pain for all those not in the air conditioned
space because the thermal efficiency of the engine is not as good as
25% so 75% of the heat energy of the fuel is spread to the atmosphere
as heat, and then a large fraction of the energy that the air
conditioner plus the heat it removes from the conditioned space is
dissipated to the local atmosphere causing a local bubble of higher
temperature (to say nothing of the noise and exhaust pollution). Small
engines probably don't achieve the high efficiency of some larger
engines and for sure don't have the pollution control. Its better for
pollution to burn propane than to burn gasoline or diesel, but less
convenient for refueling in the boonies. Finding a small engine set up
for propane is difficult, they are uncommon. Finding a water cooled
small engine is most difficult, very few exist other than Chinese made
diesels that run at slow speeds, with virtually zero parts availability.
Generator packages made for running on propane for building into
RVs have the best set of features for this application, they are quiet
and can run on multiple fuels. They aren't cheap or really light. And
there will probably be dealers who can work on them 20 and 30 years
from now when you might not be so willing to work on what you have
built.
Generator or alternator operating is improved when the voltage is
regulated. That's most important for a battery charging system, else it
takes constant user monitoring to be sure the battery isn't abused. I'll
be adding one to this charger built by my dad someday right after I
rebore the engine to reduce the blue smoke plume.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 09:49:16 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Folding campstove oven
http://lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=2684&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=oven
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:04:20 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Folding campstove oven
http://store.camping-cooking-supplies.com/campingoven.html
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:50:36 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Zip Dee Spring replacemnt
Jim - I'm having a hard time trying to visualize the fix - do you have
a pic you could send me off-list?
Jo Ann
On 24, Jul 2004, at 7:00 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
> I would like to report a fix that went rather well ...
>
> The street side awning gave out a strange noise the last time it was
> pulled down and it was obvious that there was no spring action to
> rewind the awning.. Diagnosis a busted spring, but not very convenient
> to fix it away from home ...
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:51:29 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Oh, ok. I think I have a cake rack that will fit. Back to basics for me.
Jo Ann
On 24, Jul 2004, at 7:55 PM, Allen Cochran wrote:
> If you can find a wire rack of some sort to put in to the Dutch oven
> to keep
> the dough up of the bottom then it will work just like an oven
> wacochran
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:59:10 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Thanks Ann. I love cornbread but sometimes, only a biscuit will do - I
better get the skillet/frying pan out and try the cornbread today while
I'm thinking about it - help season the pan too. With spareribs...I'm
getting hungry already.
Jo Ann
On 25, Jul 2004, at 4:27 AM, Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> You can make corn bread in a cast iron frying pan on the stove top.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:21:56 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Put a nice brisket on the WSM a while ago - I'll mop it with K C Masterpiece
sauce near the end of the cooking time. Hickory smoke is looking good and
smells better. Used some lump charcoal and am trying the Wal*Mart
briquettes made by Royal Oak charcoal, 60% larger briquettes that are
supposed to burn hotter and longer than another brand. The dust from the
Wal*Mart brand charcoal still weighs a lot compared to the Kamado extruded
coconut lump I usually use.
Tell us about the cornbread when it's done. I hear it's a mortal sin to add
sugar! ;)
How many take their bbq grills along on Airtream trips and what kind do you
have if you do? Anyone ever try the Kamado charcoal before?
Tom
> Thanks Ann. I love cornbread but sometimes, only a biscuit will do - I
> better get the skillet/frying pan out and try the cornbread today while
> I'm thinking about it - help season the pan too. With spareribs...I'm
> getting hungry already.
> Jo Ann
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:07:32 EDT
From: Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] horizonal gas bottles
can some one please tell me the new laws on horizona gas bottles I can not
get them filled were I live .
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:26:07 -0500
From: "J. Anderson" <janderson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Grilling on the Road
Tom, just returned from 2 weeks on the road, one of which was spent in
the municipal campground at Grand Marais MN on the north shore of Lake
Superior. And yes, we took our (new) charcoal grill along, about a 12"
Char Broil brand--light, cheap, and easy to use and travel with. We
grilled 5 of the 7 nights we were there (can't allow ourselves to go
into total pizza withdrawal) including burgers, polish sausage, sweet
corn, small red potatoes, fresh lake trout, and a whole chicken roasted
over a soda can (first time experiment; needs refinement). We used
ordinary charcoal; others in the campground were mostly using birch
which they bought from the huge pile behind the camp office and built
their fires in the oversized cast iron grills at almost every site in
the campground. For me it looked like too much fire for our cooking,
but it did make for a pleasant site, sound and smell throughout the camp.
The little Char Broil grill cost me about $12 on sale at Fleet Farm.
What a deal.
John
Tom wrote:
>How many take their bbq grills along on Airtream trips and what kind do you
>have if you do? Anyone ever try the Kamado charcoal before?
>Tom
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:27:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Birdsong <tbirddog7@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Dear folks ; I don't understand the thing about the dutch oven cooking,guess I've been
doing it too long.A dutch oven is ....what it is an oven.You don't need a rack in the
bottom to cook biscuits.Make a fire ,let some coals build up clean off an area adjacent
to the fire,pull some coals oven in the cleaned off area,place the dutch oven on the
coal let it warm up to about 300 to 350 degrees ( about fifteen minutes or so ),place
some type of oil ( pam will do ) into the oven ,put your biscuits into the oven,cover
the oven with the lid,then cover the lid with some more hot coals,let this stand for
about thirty minutes or until you begin to smell the biscuits,rake off the coals,remove
the top,dump out the biscuits butter and eat.Some meats and stews take a little long,
depends upon the consistency and such.It you want to clean the oven ,after it cools down,
set it off to one side.put a lot of table salt into the oven ( almost can't put in too
much ).Use the salt to remove the baked on
stuff along with the oil that may be left over from cooking.the salt will cut out the '
"junk" inside and the oil will re - season the insides of the pan.And you can do the same
for the out side of the oven (oil and salt ).If you'd like you may rinse the oven out and
re-oil before you put it away but you don't have too.I've been camping out in the "boonies"
and sleeping on the ground for years ( about 25 or so ).I just got my first camper ,Safari
this year.It's easier to sleep on the ground but in the summer months the bugs will drive
you to distraction.But I know a couple of things to do about that too.The temperature here
in South Mississippi was 100 with humidity at 95 percent and no rain.These kind of
conditions will make you sweat in places we can talk about.Tommy B.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:29:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Birdsong <tbirddog7@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Grilling on the Road
Yea ! Beer butt chicken ! Also a frame to do this is avaliable at Wally World (Wal-mart ) Tommy B.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:04:43 -0400
From: "Allen Cochran" <wacochran@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Using the wire rack was so you could use the Dutch oven on top of a stove. I
completely agree if you are using some kind of bbq pit using fire wood or
charcoal.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:49:15 -0400
From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Ann; as I understand the law only vertical tanks need the overflow
device installed horizontal's do not!!! Bob Cornute WBCCI 4953 & VAC
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Subject: [VAL] horizonal gas bottles
can some one please tell me the new laws on horizona gas bottles I can
not
get them filled were I live .
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:34:01 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <rwhigh@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Not quite true. Here is a brief explanation of the new rule:
http://hazmat.dot.gov/opd_advisory.pdf
The only exceptions at this time are some tanks used in commercial service
and for welding operations.
Roger
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From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
> Ann; as I understand the law only vertical tanks need the overflow
> device installed horizontal's do not!!! Bob Cornute WBCCI 4953 & VAC
>
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> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:08 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] horizonal gas bottles
>
> can some one please tell me the new laws on horizona gas bottles I can
> not
> get them filled were I live .
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:05:06 -0500
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
As I read the rule, the horizontal tanks would be excepted from the new
valve requirement... (2001 Rule change )
Are the tanks beyond the test date requirements??? I don't remember the
test requirement, but I seem to remember 12 years ... If the tanks are
older, maybe the valve is not the problem...The refusal to fill could be
either the tank condition or the test date...
Jim
At 09:34 PM 7/25/2004, you wrote:
>Not quite true. Here is a brief explanation of the new rule:
>http://hazmat.dot.gov/opd_advisory.pdf
>
>The only exceptions at this time are some tanks used in commercial service
>and for welding operations.
>
>Roger
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:49 PM
>Subject: RE: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
>
>
> > Ann; as I understand the law only vertical tanks need the overflow
> > device installed horizontal's do not!!! Bob Cornute WBCCI 4953 & VAC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:08 PM
> > To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Subject: [VAL] horizonal gas bottles
> >
> > can some one please tell me the new laws on horizona gas bottles I can
> > not
> > get them filled were I live .
> >
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:30:58 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Cooktop cooking
Tommy:
Speaking for myself, the question about the dutch oven cooking is
this - no fires, no charcoal. A gas cooktop only - how to make
biscuits?
That's the gist of it and that's where the rack came in and also
turning the biscuits over.
Jo Ann
On 25, Jul 2004, at 4:27 PM, Tom Birdsong wrote:
> Dear folks ; I don't understand the thing about the dutch oven
> cooking,guess I've been doing it too long.A dutch oven is ....what it
> is an oven.You don't need a rack in the bottom to cook biscuits.Make a
> fire ,let some coals build
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:57:49 -0500
From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
I have a 34' Limited with horizontal tanks.
The law exempts them as well as horizontal tanks in motorhomes, also
commercial tanks as in welding, fork lifts, etc.
Warning labels are rerquired. Call the factory. You can get the proper
warning labels required by law in most states from the service department.
Not all states require the OPD valves.
I have the proper labels on my tanks and they are inspected for leaks and
stamped accordingly. Even with that some propane places, especially Flying
J, haven't kept up with the rules and still have the old sign posted that
says ALL tanks have to have the new OPD valve.
Wrong!!!!
From the link below you can print out the current rules and use them when
necessary to educate the person filling your tanks or his/her manager..
The wholesalers generally pose no problem, generally I've found that gas
stations and little mom and Pop outfits don't have a clue.
Look up the wholesaler in the area. You will probably not have any trouble
getting the tanks filled as long as they have been certified. The
wholesaler is also the folks who do the certification for a few $$$..
If you have aluminum tanks DO NOT let them replace them. Aluminum tanks
are costly and good for a good many years.
Good luck
Blair
At 07:34 PM 7/25/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Not quite true. Here is a brief explanation of the new rule:
>http://hazmat.dot.gov/opd_advisory.pdf
>
>The only exceptions at this time are some tanks used in commercial service
>and for welding operations.
>
>Roger
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:49 PM
>Subject: RE: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
>
>
> > Ann; as I understand the law only vertical tanks need the overflow
> > device installed horizontal's do not!!! Bob Cornute WBCCI 4953 & VAC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:08 PM
> > To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Subject: [VAL] horizonal gas bottles
> >
> > can some one please tell me the new laws on horizona gas bottles I can
> > not
> > get them filled were I live .
> >
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:11:52 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
http://hazmat.dot.gov/opd_advisory.pdf Sure is ambiguous. It
says "expanded the provision" in the paragraph discussing
exceptions. Is the exception expanded to except horizontal
tanks or the requirement for OPD valve expanded to horizontal
tanks? Only reading the NFPA code can tell.
Gerald J.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:51:32 -0700
From: Glyn Judson <glynjudson@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
Blair and all,
>>snip Not all states require the OPD valves.
I thought the regulations were Federal. Is each state able to interpret
the regs according to their own choosing?
As far as the date stamp expiring on tanks, mine were and I had them
reinspected and stamped again recently. The one thing the station fellow
was adamant about was not seeing any rust on the tanks. I was in the middle
of sandblasting them and there was surface rust visible from that process.
I was told to remove them from the yard and return with them only when the
rust wasn't visible. I came back the next day after applying a cursory coat
or two of aluminum paint from a spray can.
That made the yard fellow happy. He changed the old valves (30 pound
vertical tanks), date stamped and refilled both for $80.00.
Glyn
> From: Blair <hitek_airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Reply-To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:57:49 -0500
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: Re: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
>
> I have a 34' Limited with horizontal tanks.
>
> The law exempts them as well as horizontal tanks in motorhomes, also
> commercial tanks as in welding, fork lifts, etc.
>
> Warning labels are rerquired. Call the factory. You can get the proper
> warning labels required by law in most states from the service department.
>
> Not all states require the OPD valves.
>
> I have the proper labels on my tanks and they are inspected for leaks and
> stamped accordingly. Even with that some propane places, especially Flying
> J, haven't kept up with the rules and still have the old sign posted that
> says ALL tanks have to have the new OPD valve.
> Wrong!!!!
>
> From the link below you can print out the current rules and use them when
> necessary to educate the person filling your tanks or his/her manager..
>
> The wholesalers generally pose no problem, generally I've found that gas
> stations and little mom and Pop outfits don't have a clue.
>
> Look up the wholesaler in the area. You will probably not have any trouble
> getting the tanks filled as long as they have been certified. The
> wholesaler is also the folks who do the certification for a few $$$..
>
> If you have aluminum tanks DO NOT let them replace them. Aluminum tanks
> are costly and good for a good many years.
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Blair
>
>
> At 07:34 PM 7/25/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> Not quite true. Here is a brief explanation of the new rule:
>> http://hazmat.dot.gov/opd_advisory.pdf
>>
>> The only exceptions at this time are some tanks used in commercial service
>> and for welding operations.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>> To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:49 PM
>> Subject: RE: [VAL] horizontal gas bottles
>>
>>
>>> Ann; as I understand the law only vertical tanks need the overflow
>>> device installed horizontal's do not!!! Bob Cornute WBCCI 4953 & VAC
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>> [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of Annj949@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:08 PM
>>> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>> Subject: [VAL] horizonal gas bottles
>>>
>>> can some one please tell me the new laws on horizona gas bottles I can
>>> not
>>> get them filled were I live .
>>>
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