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VAL Digest V1 #307
VAL Digest Tuesday, July 13 2004 Volume 01 : Number 307
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Aluminum tanks - polished?
[VAL] RE: VAL Digest V1 #306
Re: [VAL] Beatrice foods?
[VAL] List messages
Re: [VAL] Re:Battery boiling, Help !
Re: [VAL] Re:Battery boiling, Help !
Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
Re: [VAL] Re:Battery boiling, Help !
Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
[VAL] Tambour track
Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks/opinion
[VAL] List messages
Re: [VAL] Tambour track
Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
Re: [VAL] Re: Beatrice Foods years
Re: [VAL] Tambour track
Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks/opinion
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 02:07:07 -0400
From: Terrence Tyler <tylerbears@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Aluminum tanks - polished?
On Monday, July 12, 2004, at 01:00 AM, VAL Digest wrote:
> Do I want some special tanks or just standard ones to replace the old
> styles?
> Anyone have a good source for polished aluminum?
>
Steve,
By all means buy the aluminum tanks, either privately or through a
reseller like Airstream Dreams.
Shining them up is easy to do with a paste called Mothers aluminum
polish. It comes in a small red and white container (1/2 pint for $5)
but the stuff goes a long, long ways. There are other products but this
one is readily available for getting started.
In my opinion, polished aluminum bottles make a subtle statement about
pride in ownership toward an otherwise ordinary looking Airstream.
For nearly ten years, our ordinary looking '67 22' Safari underwent
numerous improvements. During those years, all I did was keep the
exterior clean and the aluminum bottles polished. I didn't want our rig
to stand out, but I did want modern equipment for propane distribution.
Last year, when refurbishing was finally completed, I went whole hog
with polishing the entire exterior. It turned out to be a more dramatic
difference than we anticipated, especially with our 17' mirror shined
aluminum canoe on top of our restored 1975 Mercury Station Wagon tow
vehicle.
At first we didn't know what to do with all the attention, but it has
grown on us. The question most often asked by the general public is
"Where can we find an old Airstream to restore?" That's an easy
question to answer. But, it's during the ensuing conversation that we
share the excitement and satisfaction we feel for bringing one of these
beauties back from oblivion.
Everyone is different, even at different times during the camping
season. Sometimes we want to fade into the woodwork. On those
occasions, we use one of our other ordinary looking Airstreams (with
the shiny aluminum bottles). We're still kids at heart when it comes to
playing with our toys.
Terry
'67 22' Safari
'63 22' Flying Cloud
'89 32' Excella
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:47:52 -0400
From: "Aaron Whaley" <wahoonc1@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] RE: VAL Digest V1 #306
Hi guys,
New subscriber to the list here. I will back up Rob's claim of shoddy
workmanship. I am in the process of a heavy repair and rehab of a 1975
Sovereign 31. I have found several things along the line that Rob mentioned.
They are definitely factory. Things like scraps of aluminum, rivets, cut off
pieces of wires etc. Found a leak in the rear bath that was caused when they
were installing the plumbing vent stack cover they hit a rib with the screw.
Instead of drilling a hole in the rib for the screw, they just left the
screw sticking out and added extra Vulkem around it. The hole for the
plumbing vent stack for the kitchen was drilled in the wrong place so the
pipe was heated to a modified egg shape, which meant the rubber gasket would
not fit correctly, and they elongated the hole in the shell. Then they put
duct tape on the inside of the shell to provide backing for the extra
Vulkem. These issues are not limited to the Beatrice years I have been
hearing and have seen similar issues with the brand new units too. I found
at least two roof rivets that were never installed, and the list goes on.
Face it these things were built by humans on a production line. They get
paid for production with quality coming in a poor second. That being said
they are still heads and shoulders above any other unit on the road in terms
of overall quality in design and construction. I don't see too many 30+ year
old SOB's on the roads, if you see any at all they are usually a rotting
mess behind someone's barn somewhere.
"So many Airstreams, so little time..."
Aaron
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:27:21 -0700
From: Rob Super <robsuper@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Re: Beatrice Foods years
That said, I've been amazed at the amount of sloppy work I've found in
areas that were hidden and, admittedly, of no practical consequence. A
good example would be holes cut in the skin for such things as the
range hood vent and radio speakers: they seem to have been angrily
hacked out by an unskilled worker with dull tin snips--rough, bent,
dangerously jagged edges like a shark's maw. The question is: is this
kind of sloppy, if inconsequential, workmanship common in the other
decades, both older and newer, or is it a symptom of the "Beatrice
years"?
Rob
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:43:25 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Beatrice Foods years
Rob,
I don't ever recall anyone finding and telling others what you found on your
unit.
Is it possible that this type of sloppy workmanship was done by any previous
owner?
Tom
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:03:29 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Beatrice foods?
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:05:19 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] List messages
[Forgot to update subject of last message]
A lot of the list messages (mainly AOL addresses) have been bouncing back as
undeliverable since last night because of apparent internet problems.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Birdsong <tbirddog7@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:Battery boiling, Help !
Dr.Johnson and Mr.Tom : I've received a couple of responses one from you and one from Tom.
Thanks for the input.I'll take both of these responses under advisement.I think what I'll
do short term is keep the battery out of the trailer ( which is probably why is wasn't in
there to start with),"re-hab" the battery with the electrolyte.Long term may buy new
batteries and a battery charger that intermediately allows charges to go into the battery.
Just a thought ,Tom said that the older style battery chargers go full blast.With that
thought in mind is it possible to hard wire in a switch at the battery where by I may just
simply turn off the charges as they go into the battery until I want to charge the battery?
I'm at work here at the fire station,but basically the wiring is this : two wires (red) come
down and connect to the positive side of the battery ( coming from ? ) and one ground wire
which goes to the ground post of the battery.What I've done and it seems to be working ,
connected the two red wires together Via some electrical tape and simply taped the ground
wire off by itself not connected at any point to any thing
I have to go off duty here in a few minutes but I'll be checking in for y'alls responses
during the course of the day.Thanks again ,more than you know.Tom B.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:19:06 -0500
From: "Dr. Gerald Johnson" <geraldj@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:Battery boiling, Help !
You could disconnect the output of the battery charger. Needs to
be a relatively heavy duty switch, else it will heat up and could
cause a fire. You will have to watch the battery while it is charging
else the Univolt will overcharge it and do more damage. Optimally
you need to check the specific gravity of the electrolyte and stop
charging when that stops rising long about 1280 for a typical
battery. Manual charging with a robust charger is a pain to do.
Your "connection" of the two wires by a bit of tape is a fire waiting to
happen. The tape won't hold the lugs together tightly enough and
that poor connection will heat. Probably the tape will release before
they get hot enough to burn, but one can't be sure. Use a bolt and
nut to hold them together, preferably a brass bolt and nut with
bronze lock washer, then insulate with tape. The lights and stuff will
operate without a battery, but lamp life will be short because of the
higher voltage of the unloaded broken Univolt. Incandescent lamp
life is cut in half for each 5% rise in voltage above rated.
If you can't spring for the intelliPower, at least go find a working
automatic battery charger that doesn't overcharge the battery,
the battery, the lights, and the trailer will prefer that option to using
the Univolt.
Gerald J.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:31:43 -0500
From: "Dean L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
Talk about good deals, Our local COOP Propane dealer put new OPD
valves on 4 of my tanks AND filled them up for about that same price a
couple of years ago. I thought that they would charge for the propane
but after all it only takes 5 gal to fill the 30 pound tanks. At the
time I think propane was only about $0.60 a gal.
See You On The Road
Dean L.
WBCCI 2486
On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:51 PM, Dr. Gerald Johnson wrote:
> $17 is an exceptionally great price for a new OPD valve with
> inspection. The local LP gas company is the best place to try.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:41:56 -0500
From: "Dean L." <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re:Battery boiling, Help !
I was at a swap meet some years ago and bought an Autotransformer.
Now my autotransformer is a large one, 30 amps. But you can find
smaller ones quite cheep if you shop a little. I wired the
autotransformer so that I could keep my battery voltage correct.
Keeping it around 13 volts I have had no trouble boiling the batteries.
A small autotransformer, around 5 amps, could be used to keep the old
UniVolt running without over charging..
See You On The Road
Dean L.
WBCCI 2486
On Jul 12, 2004, at 9:19 AM, Dr. Gerald Johnson wrote:
> You could disconnect the output of the battery charger. Needs to
> be a relatively heavy duty switch, else it will heat up and could
> cause a fire. You will have to watch the battery while it is charging
> else the Univolt will overcharge it and do more damage. Optimally
> you need to check the specific gravity of the electrolyte and stop
> charging when that stops rising long about 1280 for a typical
> battery. Manual charging with a robust charger is a pain to do.
>
> Your "connection" of the two wires by a bit of tape is a fire waiting
> to
> happen. The tape won't hold the lugs together tightly enough and
> that poor connection will heat. Probably the tape will release before
> they get hot enough to burn, but one can't be sure. Use a bolt and
> nut to hold them together, preferably a brass bolt and nut with
> bronze lock washer, then insulate with tape. The lights and stuff will
> operate without a battery, but lamp life will be short because of the
> higher voltage of the unloaded broken Univolt. Incandescent lamp
> life is cut in half for each 5% rise in voltage above rated.
>
> If you can't spring for the intelliPower, at least go find a working
> automatic battery charger that doesn't overcharge the battery,
> the battery, the lights, and the trailer will prefer that option to
> using
> the Univolt.
>
> Gerald J.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:52:41 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
>I may be incorrect but I don't believe I spent anywhere near the cost you
>quoted of $185.00 for each tank. I bought 2 tanks of the 40# variety in
>polished aluminum and possibly I paid that much or less for both of them --
>delivered to my home.
>
>Where are you getting these prices from, Bobby?
>
>Tom
>WBCCI 5303
>
>
>From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
>
>
> > I recently had to replace a valve on one of my aluminum tanks.
> > Had it done by a local LP Gas company. Cost $17.00 for the new OPD
>installed.
> > Tank inspection, free. Filled tank $12.00. Not a bad price.
> > I think it's much cheaper than if I bought a new aluminum tank. Cost
>$185.00
> >
airstreamdreams.com (of which I am NOT associated) has 20, 30 & 40 lb
Worthington Cylinder aluminum tanks for a lot less...
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:19:29 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <rhightower@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Tambour track
Has anyone parted out the tambour doors in their A/S and kept the spiral
tambour track and has it available for sale? I am in need of a pair, if any
are available.
Bob Hightower
'72 Overlander
'76 Sov
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:46:16 -0500
From: Jim Clark <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks/opinion
I would like to add an opinion to the mix... I chose to get the aluminum
tank with a gauge primarily because the gauge was original on the Airstream
that we purchased ... I have been very satisfied with the tanks and would
recommend the addition of the gauge as a requirement even if the Airstream
control panel did not have a remote read circuit... being able to lift the
cover and know the level of the gas in each of the tanks without having to
take them off to shake them or weight them is worth a lot to me...
absolutely no guess work... If I had to do it over, I would consider the
40# tank .. certainly nothing less than the 30#.....My regulator is mounted
low at the back of the tank and getting down to see if the tank switched
and then trying to guess when it switched and how soon do I have to have
the empty one filled would no longer be the way to go for me... adding a
gauge is not practical and the strip on the side of the tank depends on
temp and humidity to read the level... pressure gauges are worthless due to
the tank being at the same pressure from full to empty... then it drops to
zero in a hurry...
Jim
At 10:52 AM 7/12/2004, you wrote:
>>I may be incorrect but I don't believe I spent anywhere near the cost you
>>quoted of $185.00 for each tank. I bought 2 tanks of the 40# variety in
>>polished aluminum and possibly I paid that much or less for both of them --
>>delivered to my home.
>>
>>Where are you getting these prices from, Bobby?
>>
>>Tom
>>WBCCI 5303
>>
>>
>>From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>>Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
>>
>>
>> > I recently had to replace a valve on one of my aluminum tanks.
>> > Had it done by a local LP Gas company. Cost $17.00 for the new OPD
>>installed.
>> > Tank inspection, free. Filled tank $12.00. Not a bad price.
>> > I think it's much cheaper than if I bought a new aluminum tank. Cost
>>$185.00
>> >
>
>airstreamdreams.com (of which I am NOT associated) has 20, 30 & 40 lb
>Worthington Cylinder aluminum tanks for a lot less...
>
>Dave
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
>WBCCI: 5074
>
>1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
>Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:54:01 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] List messages
A lot of the list messages (mainly AOL addresses) have been bouncing back as
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:32:39 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tambour track
I've got those tracks, Bob.
Tom
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From: "Bob Hightower" <rhightower@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "vac" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: [VAL] Tambour track
> Has anyone parted out the tambour doors in their A/S and kept the spiral
> tambour track and has it available for sale? I am in need of a pair, if
any
> are available.
>
> Bob Hightower
> '72 Overlander
> '76 Sov
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:40:07 -0400
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
Thanks, Dave. That is the brand name of the 40# aluminum tanks I bought -
Worthington.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
From: "Dave Lowrey" <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
> >I may be incorrect but I don't believe I spent anywhere near the cost you
> >quoted of $185.00 for each tank. I bought 2 tanks of the 40# variety in
> >polished aluminum and possibly I paid that much or less for both of
them --
> >delivered to my home.
> >
> >Where are you getting these prices from, Bobby?
> >
> >Tom
> >WBCCI 5303
> >From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> >Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
> > > I recently had to replace a valve on one of my aluminum tanks.
> > > Had it done by a local LP Gas company. Cost $17.00 for the new OPD
> >installed.
> > > Tank inspection, free. Filled tank $12.00. Not a bad price.
> > > I think it's much cheaper than if I bought a new aluminum tank. Cost
> >$185.00
> airstreamdreams.com (of which I am NOT associated) has 20, 30 & 40 lb
> Worthington Cylinder aluminum tanks for a lot less...
>
> Dave
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:13:01 -0700
From: Rob Super <robsuper@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Beatrice Foods years
Tom:
> Is it possible that this type of sloppy workmanship was done by any
> previous
> owner?
Varies. For example, when I saw the hack job for the speaker
installation I assumed it was, as you suggest, a PO's work. But the
"workmanship" on the range hood's vent fan, and various other things,
was obviously factory. So the speakers' installation (fed by correctly
factory color-coded wires, BTW) enters the realm of OEM possibility.
Rob
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:31:35 -0700
From: "Bob Hightower" <rhightower@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tambour track
Thank you! What do you want for them?
Bob
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Tambour track
> I've got those tracks, Bob.
>
> Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Hightower" <rhightower@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
> To: "vac" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 2:19 PM
> Subject: [VAL] Tambour track
>
>
> > Has anyone parted out the tambour doors in their A/S and kept the spiral
> > tambour track and has it available for sale? I am in need of a pair, if
> any
> > are available.
> >
> > Bob Hightower
> > '72 Overlander
> > '76 Sov
> >
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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:47:19 -0500
From: "Tom Patterson" <tommyjoe@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks/opinion
You can easily check the level of the propane by using some hot water. Just
pour it down the side of the
tank, and then feel the tank. It will still be cool up to where the propane
level is. Above that, where the air is,
it will feel hot. I was taught this method back in the '60s by my father,
and have never used a gauge.
- -Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clark" <jec1938@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks/opinion
> I would like to add an opinion to the mix... I chose to get the aluminum
> tank with a gauge primarily because the gauge was original on the
Airstream
> that we purchased ... I have been very satisfied with the tanks and would
> recommend the addition of the gauge as a requirement even if the Airstream
> control panel did not have a remote read circuit... being able to lift the
> cover and know the level of the gas in each of the tanks without having to
> take them off to shake them or weight them is worth a lot to me...
> absolutely no guess work... If I had to do it over, I would consider the
> 40# tank .. certainly nothing less than the 30#.....My regulator is
mounted
> low at the back of the tank and getting down to see if the tank switched
> and then trying to guess when it switched and how soon do I have to have
> the empty one filled would no longer be the way to go for me... adding a
> gauge is not practical and the strip on the side of the tank depends on
> temp and humidity to read the level... pressure gauges are worthless due
to
> the tank being at the same pressure from full to empty... then it drops to
> zero in a hurry...
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:52 AM 7/12/2004, you wrote:
> >>I may be incorrect but I don't believe I spent anywhere near the cost
you
> >>quoted of $185.00 for each tank. I bought 2 tanks of the 40# variety in
> >>polished aluminum and possibly I paid that much or less for both of
them --
> >>delivered to my home.
> >>
> >>Where are you getting these prices from, Bobby?
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>WBCCI 5303
> >>
> >>
> >>From: "Bobby Gill" <gillguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [VAL] Re: Propane tanks
> >>
> >>
> >> > I recently had to replace a valve on one of my aluminum tanks.
> >> > Had it done by a local LP Gas company. Cost $17.00 for the new OPD
> >>installed.
> >> > Tank inspection, free. Filled tank $12.00. Not a bad price.
> >> > I think it's much cheaper than if I bought a new aluminum tank. Cost
> >>$185.00
> >> >
> >
> >airstreamdreams.com (of which I am NOT associated) has 20, 30 & 40 lb
> >Worthington Cylinder aluminum tanks for a lot less...
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> >
> >WBCCI: 5074
> >
> >1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> >Cincinnati, Ohio
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