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VAL Digest Saturday, July 10 2004 Volume 01 : Number 304
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Topics in Today's Digest:
[VAL] Blue Paint
Re: [VAL] Blue Paint
Re: [VAL] Blue Paint
Re: [VAL] Blue Paint
Re: [VAL] More on highway help
[VAL] International Photo
RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
Re: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
Re: [VAL] International Photo
Re: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best... ??
[VAL] 2004 International Rally photos
Re: [VAL] 2004 International Rally photos
Re: [VAL] 2004 International Rally photos
[VAL] Lansing 2004 My Reflections
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:54:57 EDT
From: FRYDMANS@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Blue Paint
Dear List:
I would like to repaint the blue stripe on my 1971 Overlander. Does anyone
have a color name or correct number for the right color that was used.
Thank you
Steve Frydman
Mequon, WI
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:37:54 -0500
From: Dean <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Blue Paint
I just went to a local Farm & Home store and got a can of Ford Tractor
Implement pain.
Wipe it down good with a rag dipped in a paint prep cleaner.
The trouble with blue or red is that it will sun fade very fast.
See you on the road
Dean & Kay
WBCCI 2486
On Jul 9, 2004, at 6:54 AM, FRYDMANS@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Dear List:
> I would like to repaint the blue stripe on my 1971 Overlander. Does
> anyone
> have a color name or correct number for the right color that was used.
> Thank you
> Steve Frydman
> Mequon, WI
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:19:58 EDT
From: JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Blue Paint
Steve Ruth in Helena Ohio recommends Krylon True Blue Gloss #1910. The Krylon
True Blue I purchased had a number which was different. It is KDH5008. I have
a 1988 trailer and the blue looks good on it. Steve is the operator/owner of
P&S. They refinish Airstreams. JAuman
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:20:07 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <jtdjtd@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Blue Paint
Hi Steve,
On my '73, the blue was actually a vinyl tape that was pop riveted on. I
think you can still get the tape. I was really bored with the idea of
drilling out all those rivets and then recaulking the trim band, so I
did paint it. I used Rustoleum blue, which is proably Ford tractor blue.
Daisy
FRYDMANS@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
> Dear List:
> I would like to repaint the blue stripe on my 1971 Overlander. Does anyone
> have a color name or correct number for the right color that was used.
> Thank you
> Steve Frydman
> Mequon, WI
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:38:27 -0400
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] More on highway help
Pete, have you tried www.healthy-homes.com? Click on tag sale and scroll
down to Airstream parts. They have 3 different size compartment doors. Maybe
one is the size you need.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Ryner" <pryner@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
To: "Airstream" <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: [VAL] More on highway help
> Well we made it to the Airstream plant with a little further damage to the
> rear of the trailer, but it is still intact. Looks like both rear sides
of
> the rear door opening drooped about an inch. The rivits on the rear band
> sheared and it drooped with the trailer body. AS didn't think they could
> look at the trailer before the end of the month and weren't open when we
> dropped it off, so I have no info from them yet. I am looking for a rear
> door from a '68 Ambassador. If anyone has a lead please contact me off
> list. I do have a door from a '67 but it has a different locking
mechanism.
> It has locks on both sides, mine had a lock on the bottom. I don't know
if
> they are the same size as the door was here in Fla. I have a couple of
> pictures at MSN if anyone is interested. The link is
> http://groups.msn.com/Rynerexploits/shoebox.msnw. Please let me know if
you
> have any problems looking at them. This is my first time tring the MSN
> groups.
> Pete
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:56:55 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] International Photo
I am working on getting my photos from this year's International Rally online.
In the meantime, I thought folks might like seeing this. It's a panorama
shot of the "Vintage" area, soon after we arrived....
http://www.pfredd.com/airstream/VAC-Panorama.jpg
Enjoy!
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:15:03 -0400
From: "Tom \(et/al\)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
The Beatrice Foods years were the worst for our Airstreams - my opinion,
yours may vary.
Tom
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:58 AM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
JAuman2346@xxxxxxxxxx.com wrote:
>"...He said the 74 and 75 trailers were the best..."
>
Isn't "best" is a relative term as far as Airstreams go:
* Pipe frame vs. ladder frame
* 13 panels vs. 5 panels
* Zolatone vs. vinyl
* Wood cabinets vs. tambour
* Polished Alclad vs. clearcoated mill finish
* Rear bath vs. center bath
* <>Short vs. long
* Stock vs. personalized interior
* Twins vs. double bed
* Sofa with folding table vs. dinette
* On and on...
Most of us have 'favorite' Airstream features in spite of what the
factory says.
Rob Davis
'64 GlobeTrotter
Denver, CO
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 17:53:20 -0400
From: "Jim Greene" <drgreene@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
I agree, Tom.
Jim Greene' 68 Tradewind
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom (et/al)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
> The Beatrice Foods years were the worst for our Airstreams - my opinion,
> yours may vary.
>
> Tom
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:00:37 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] International Photo
What a great shot with the gorgeous clouds too!
Jo Ann
On 9, Jul 2004, at 11:56 AM, Dave Lowrey wrote:
> I am working on getting my photos from this year's International Rally
> online.
> In the meantime, I thought folks might like seeing this. It's a
> panorama shot of the "Vintage" area, soon after we arrived....
> http://www.pfredd.com/airstream/VAC-Panorama.jpg
> Enjoy!
> Dave
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:25:42 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <johansen@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
I don't agree - each year has strong points and each have weaknesses.
Ken J
58 Overlander
75 Tradewind
At 05:53 PM 07/09/04 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree, Tom.
>
>Jim Greene' 68 Tradewind
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom (et/al)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:15 PM
>Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
>
>
> > The Beatrice Foods years were the worst for our Airstreams - my opinion,
> > yours may vary.
> >
> > Tom
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:06:17 -0400
From: <pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
7/9/2004 12:15:03 PM, "Tom \(et/al\)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>The Beatrice Foods years were the worst for our Airstreams - my opinion,
>yours may vary.
>
It does. That's what makes the world go round.
With all due respect, the Beatrice years have some real advantages:
(1) lighter
(2) indestructable interiors -- because the casework was made of aluminum extrusions
and melamine laminate, while there is vinyl bonded over the interior skin.
Amongst other things, this means minimum upkeep.
But also disadvantages:
(1) the color schemes were what today is considered maximally tacky -- avocado green
or burnt orange, shag carpets, etc. Furthermore, at least for the first five years
the laminate was entirely "walnut", which makes for a dark, perhaps gloomy, interior.
On the other hand, you're not required to retain the original color scheme -- the
fabrics (which in thirty years probably have been rotted by the sun), the tambour, and
even much of the laminate are rather easy to change, with some really attractive
choices being available.
(2) no grey water tanks until 1974 (some people have installed their own, or you always
can use a blue boy).
(3) the frames were a bit underdesigned, so that they sometime bent on the longer models
when driven over rough roads with the waste tanks full. However, the fix for
this is well known and easily performed by Jackson Center or your dealer.
It's a personal decision. Personally, I love the one I've got, and have no desire to
replace it with any other -- newer or older.
-- Lew #4239
'72 Safari
Getting unstuck from Ohio
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:38:14 -0400
From: "Tom \(et/al\)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
What was good about Beatrice Foods owning Airstream? Beatrice Foods
ownership cheapened the travel trailers which caused lots of problems. I'd
be interested to know what Beatrice Foods *did* for the now-owners of older
Airstreams which were produced under their leadership/ownership/guidance.
Who made out good besides the buyers of Airstream back when Beatrice Foods
*was* the buyer? Did Beatrice Foods make Airstream better or worse? I
think Thor Industries has made Airstream *better* for sure -- but the
Beatrice Foods years is where I run into a brick wall as I don't feel they
made a good product better or as good as it was previously.
Where am I wrong?
Tom
WBCCI 5303
- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com [mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
On Behalf Of Kenneth E. Johansen
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:26 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
I don't agree - each year has strong points and each have weaknesses.
Ken J
58 Overlander
75 Tradewind
At 05:53 PM 07/09/04 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree, Tom.
>
>Jim Greene' 68 Tradewind
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom (et/al)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:15 PM
>Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best...
>
>
> > The Beatrice Foods years were the worst for our Airstreams - my opinion,
> > yours may vary.
> >
> > Tom
>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:50:30 -0400
From: "Tom \(et/al\)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] 74 and 75 trailers were the best... ??
The 1969 model year was a banner year for Airstream -- lots of those
improvements are *still* around today and that was years before Beatrice
Foods came on the scene.
You said they were lighter. They used frames that weren't up to specs for
the load which is a big part of the reason for bent frames I am sure.
In 1969 Airstream bonded the vinyl wall coverings to the interior, that was
before Beatrice Foods owned the company.
Walnut interiors -- my 1969 Airstream has walnut veneer, real wood walnut
veneer. Yes, there is walnut laminate but that was used for the table tops
only that I recall at this moment.
Casework? Do you mean the framing of the beds, etc.? If not, what?
Frames -- you didn't have to travel with a full black water tank to get
bending frames. What you "need to do" was have a long distance from the
wheelbase to the rear of the trailer. Of course, a poorly loaded trailer
would exacerbate the problem -- but how many old time Airstreamers didn't
know "how" to load a trailer properly? I would bet that bent frames
occurred even with a properly loaded trailer even when people followed the
"instructions" to the n'th degree.
The pluses you mentioned - for the most part - came before Beatrice Foods
with and shortly after the 1969 model year change which was significant.
Tom
WBCCI 5303
On Behalf Of pcfranke@xxxxxxxxxx.netcom.com
7/9/2004 12:15:03 PM, "Tom \(et/al\)" <thomm@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com> wrote:
>The Beatrice Foods years were the worst for our Airstreams - my opinion,
>yours may vary.
>
It does. That's what makes the world go round.
With all due respect, the Beatrice years have some real advantages:
(1) lighter
(2) indestructable interiors -- because the casework was made of aluminum
extrusions and melamine laminate, while there is vinyl bonded over the
interior skin.
Amongst other things, this means minimum upkeep.
But also disadvantages:
(1) the color schemes were what today is considered maximally tacky --
avocado green or burnt orange, shag carpets, etc. Furthermore, at least for
the first five years
the laminate was entirely "walnut", which makes for a dark, perhaps gloomy,
interior. On the other hand, you're not required to retain the original
color scheme -- the
fabrics (which in thirty years probably have been rotted by the sun), the
tambour, and even much of the laminate are rather easy to change, with some
really attractive
choices being available.
(2) no grey water tanks until 1974 (some people have installed their own, or
you always can use a blue boy).
(3) the frames were a bit underdesigned, so that they sometime bent on the
longer models when driven over rough roads with the waste tanks full.
However, the fix for
this is well known and easily performed by Jackson Center or your dealer.
It's a personal decision. Personally, I love the one I've got, and have no
desire to replace it with any other -- newer or older.
-- Lew #4239
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:58:07 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <airstream@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] 2004 International Rally photos
Greetings!
I have placed my photos from the 2004 WBCCI International Rally on-line.
They can be viewed at: http://www.pfredd.com/gallery/international04
Note that these are low resolution versions for viewing on the web. If you
would like the high resolution, full size version, drop me an e-mail.
Enjoy!
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:32:00 -0700
From: Joann Wheatley <jwheatle@xxxxxxxxxx.edu>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 2004 International Rally photos
Hi Dave:
Nice shots - it looks like a lot of fun. Thanks.
Jo Ann
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:36:39 -0700
From: William Kerfoot <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] 2004 International Rally photos
Dave,
Thank you,
Bill Kerfoot
WBCCI/VAC #5223
1979 23' Safari
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon
1977 Lincoln Continental
Orange, CA
Dave Lowrey wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I have placed my photos from the 2004 WBCCI International Rally
> on-line. They can be viewed at:
> http://www.pfredd.com/gallery/international04
>
> Note that these are low resolution versions for viewing on the web. If
> you would like the high resolution, full size version, drop me an e-mail.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Dave
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Dave & Ann Lowrey - dave_lowrey@xxxxxxxxxx.com
>
> WBCCI: 5074
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:53:24 -0400
From: John Truitt <airstreamguy@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: [VAL] Lansing 2004 My Reflections
Thank you for those that have written. I'm forwarding my comments to
those that you suggested. I will attempt to attach a pdf file of my
reflections and comments to this email. If it does not come through
and you are interested please email me directly and I will send them to
you.
Thank you.
John
[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of WBCCI Response.pdf]
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