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VAL Digest V1 #30



VAL Digest          Thursday, October 9 2003          Volume 01 : Number 030




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Topics in Today's Digest:

Re: [VAL] Towing with a car
[VAL] Electrical wiring system
Re: [VAL] Towing with a car - chiltons
RE: [VAL] Towing with a car
RE: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.
Re: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.
[VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #29 - Tongue weight
Re: [VAL] What is tube for?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 23:16:23 -0700
From: "Tuna" <rctowns@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

Bill... my intended tow vehicle for my '48 Airstream 'Trailwind'
work-in-progress is a 1949 Willys-Overland 'Jeepster' which is undergoing
its second re-power in some 30 years... it now sports a 350 tbi v-8 engine,
700R4 transmission, and the rear axle is a 9" Ford out of a '77 Lincoln
Versailles... these differentials were in use in a wide range of
Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles for about 28 years, and could have all sorts
of gear ratios swapped in... the one i'm using has a 3.89:1 ratio, which
should be more than sufficient for the Trailwind, which will weigh in, dry,
at around 3500 lbs...
the highest gearing for the 9" was 2.50:1, i believe... when you find your
car, you can look at the i.d. plate on the differential, and the number will
include the gear ratio for the lowest gear - '250' or '389' or somewhere in
between...

if you don't want to add a leaf to the rear springs to stiffen the ride a
little bit, you could add an 'airbag lift', some of which can be pumped up
or down from a switch on the dash...

tuna
reno, nv

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <s.l.scheuermann@xxxxxxxxxx.att.net>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car


> I have towed my 4500 to 5000 pound Overlander with a couple of different
'73
> Chryslers. One had a 400, the other a 440. I have no idea what the gear
> ratio was, but I do know that neither one came from the factory with a
> towing option. Both cars did reasonably well, but we were in the flatlands
> of the midwest. If your Lincoln is in top condition I would imagine that
it
> could handle your trailer.
>
> I just remembered that I have a brochure put out by Airstream that gives
the
> towing capacities of '77 & '78 cars. They list the Continental with the
460
> engine and 3.00 rear axle as having a 6000# capacity. "Cooling and
> suspension" options were recommended.
>
> Scott
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Kerfoot" <wkerfoot@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
>
> > I would like your opinions as to the suitability of towing a 1979 23'
> > Safari, with a gross weight of 5,800 lbs, with a 1977 Lincoln
> > Continental.  The car has a 460 ci engine.
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 08:32:30 -0400
From: Jerry Jarrell <jdj2@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: [VAL] Electrical wiring system

Scott, Thanks for the info. The weather in GA lately won't permit me to
do any work on the TT but have an electrician friend coming over to help
when the weather clears. This is probably the best ... before I "torch
the TT." ;-)
Jerry
57 Overlander

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Toby Folwick <toby_folwick@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car - chiltons

at my local library (one of the bigger ones around)
they've got a "chilton's travel trailer repair manual"
from the late 60's or 70's.  They have tow capacities
of most american cars (through the 60's and into the
70's) listed in there - it's a whole chapter.

Toby
 

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:10:25 -0500
From: "Jarrod" <jarrodwhite@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Towing with a car

My 77 Continental's owner manual states that the towing capacity is 6000
lbs. I don't have the manual in front of my now and don't remember what
my axle ratio is.  I'll check tonight.
 Jarrod

- -----Original Message-----
From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com] On Behalf Of William Kerfoot
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 11:13 PM
To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: Re: [VAL] Towing with a car

I haven' t purchased the car.  My experience with older cars and trucks 
is that the owners manual does not discuss trailer capacity in any 
detail if it mentions is at all.  The owners manual for my 1973 Dodge 
states that you should not tow more than 75% of the trucks weight.  I 
don't know if that is gross weight or curb weight.  I have called Ford 
andt they are researching the question.



Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer wrote:

>So what does the Lincoln owner's manual rate it for towing? Does it
rate
>it for towing?
>
>The frame makes hitch attachment much easier.
>
>Gerald J.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:24:43 -0600
From: "Jim Cooper" <jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Subject: RE: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.

Lincoln,

I like what you did with the dinette.  If the battery is up front, where
is you fresh water tank?  I could only see detail on the first of your
pictures, but the others look equally interesting.

Best Regards,
   Jim
 
   jcchome@xxxxxxxxxx.com
   
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
[mailto:valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> On Behalf Of fruitbat54@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:41 PM
> To: valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> Subject: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.
> 
> The battery compartment in my '77 Tradewind was completely missing
when I
> acquired it.  The battery was just sitting on the floor, out in the
open.
> The
> original exterior battery door was intact, below the front window, but
the
> inside opening was covered with a piece of aluminum sheet rivited over
the
> hole.
> 
> I ended up building a U-shaped dinette in the front of the coach, with
a
> battery/charge controller compartment under the front seat.  While I
was
> building
> the dinette, I discovered a couple of interesting features remaining
from
> the
> original construction.  The first was a screen-covered hole in the
floor,
> and
> the second was a cast aluminum vent on the exterior, below the front
> window.
> Once I removed the non-original  pieces of aluminum sheet from the
> interior,
> below the front window, it was clear that these features were part of
an
> original venting system for the battery.  I suppose that the floor
opening
> was the
> inlet and the wall opening was the outlet.
> 
> The compartment in my dinette seat can accomodate up to 3 batteries
(only
> one
> in there now) and I supplemented the venting system with a small,
low-flow
> fan that draws air from the floor opening and forces it out the vent
below
> the
> window.   The batteries themselves are enclosed in plastic battery
boxes
> from
> Walmart that are strapped to the floor.  The boxes won't do anything
for
> venting, but they will contain any spills.
> 
> My battery compartment is not sealed but the venting system should
prevent
> any build-up of fumes.  Here's a link to some photos of the dinette
that
> show
> some of the vent details.
> 
> http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b352bf4325ea
> 
> Lincoln Soule
> '77 Tradewind
> 
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:30:32 -0400
From: "Robert L. Cornute" <ccornut1@xxxxxxxxxx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.

Your Original Battery Compartment had a Plastic Shell into which the Battery
was slipped; I recently had a second one put on my '77 , 31' International
the compartments are difficult to come by.  Bob Cornute WBCCI 4953 & VAC
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <fruitbat54@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
To: <valist@xxxxxxxxxx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: [VAL] Battery Compartments, Venting, Etc.


> The battery compartment in my '77 Tradewind was completely missing when I
> acquired it.  The battery was just sitting on the floor, out in the open.
The
> original exterior battery door was intact, below the front window, but the
> inside opening was covered with a piece of aluminum sheet rivited over the
hole.
>
> I ended up building a U-shaped dinette in the front of the coach, with a
> battery/charge controller compartment under the front seat.  While I was
building
> the dinette, I discovered a couple of interesting features remaining from
the
> original construction.  The first was a screen-covered hole in the floor,
and
> the second was a cast aluminum vent on the exterior, below the front
window.
> Once I removed the non-original  pieces of aluminum sheet from the
interior,
> below the front window, it was clear that these features were part of an
> original venting system for the battery.  I suppose that the floor opening
was the
> inlet and the wall opening was the outlet.
>
> The compartment in my dinette seat can accomodate up to 3 batteries (only
one
> in there now) and I supplemented the venting system with a small, low-flow
> fan that draws air from the floor opening and forces it out the vent below
the
> window.   The batteries themselves are enclosed in plastic battery boxes
from
> Walmart that are strapped to the floor.  The boxes won't do anything for
> venting, but they will contain any spills.
>
> My battery compartment is not sealed but the venting system should prevent
> any build-up of fumes.  Here's a link to some photos of the dinette that
show
> some of the vent details.
>
> http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b352bf4325ea
>
> Lincoln Soule
> '77 Tradewind
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:25:18 -0600
From: waymark1@xxxxxxxxxx.com
Subject: [VAL] Re: VAL Digest V1 #29 - Tongue weight

I see recommendations for increased tongue weight. The following is from
RV.org:

"Use the RV Ratings CD-ROM to study the variety of hitch weight
percentages. Notice that some manufacturers have weights all over the
board. We have seen some brands with percentages ranging from 7% to 16%
of the trailer's gross weight. This is totally unforgivable! An RV
manufacturer should be able to keep those hitch weights between 8% and
12%  the acceptable range whether dry or wet. This type of sloppy design
causes accidents and kills people. To illustrate this point, let us tell
you a story. "
http://www.rv.org/10000027.htm

Al Grayson

> > From: valist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> alist-admin@xxxxxxxxxx.com]
> > On Behalf Of JSmith1805@xxxxxxxxxx.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:50 PM
 
> > The extra weight on the tongue should make the trailer track better.
I installed a 240 lb generator + a 6 gal gas tank on the tongue of my
Tradewind. It never trailed as good it tracked perfectly on a 7000 trip
without any sway bars.
> > Jim Smith

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:15:55 -0500
From: dean <dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net>
Subject: Re: [VAL] What is tube for?

I moved my tanks a little forward then built a rack to hold my 2X8
planks i use to level the trailer, 4 each.   Then on top of that I 
placed
2 battery holders to hold 2 6 volt golf cart batteries.
It all works well.  Oh yes.. I also mounted a 8 inch curved mirror
to the jack so I can see the hitch when I back up.. It sure helps.
Dean

On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 09:29  AM, Jim Cooper wrote:

> Jim S.
>
> I sure would like to see a picture of Tradewind tongue.  The propane
> tanks and mounts for the leveling bars don't leave much room on my TW.
> I could easily move the battery outside without the leveling bar 
> mounts,
> but I don't want to give up the bars.  It can still be done, but will
> require more work.
>
> Best Regards,
>    Jim
>


Thank you
Dean L.
712 270 2000
dean@xxxxxxxxxx.net

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